Chiefs-Giants Talking trade for TE Gonzalez (1 Viewer)

[Kevin Ashcraft]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/10/...alez-to-giants/

A reader tells us that KSHB in Kansas City is reporting that Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez has requested a trade, and that one of the teams in the running is the New York Gootball Fiants. (It’s an inside joke that you’ll understand only if you check the site every day, multiple times per day.)

Though we haven’t confirmed that KSHB is reporting this information, we’ve learned separately that, indeed, an effort is afoot to move Gonzalez out of Kansas City.

The trade deadline is October 14 at 4:00 p.m. EDT.

This is being reported on Sports Radio 610-AM in KC as well.FWIW, KSHB, the NBC affiliate in KC DID mention this tonight, but they have a history of mis-reporting. But with two sources talking it up, something is definitely going on.

 

[lion_crazz]

Wow... that would skyrocket Gonzalez' value and make Tony G the stud that he really is!! This also makes sense, with the Giants being Super Bowl contenders. Gonzalez does not have many more years left in the tank. He wants to win one.

**crosses fingers**

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I would hope the KC media is not using this as a source

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8661522/

The following is my list of trades I think should happen ... but probably won't.

# Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez to the Giants: Why would a team trade a man many consider the greatest tight end of all time? The Chiefs are rebuilding and by the time they turn around their fortunes, Gonzalez's time in this league could be over. Why let his career end on a rebuilding team? He and team President Carl Peterson are extremely close. If they can find a trade that would work for all parties, it would actually be quite honorable for a team executive to not hold a player hostage in his final years on a rebuilding team. Get something for him to assist with the rebuilding process. He'll forever be loved in KC regardless.

The Giants are the perfect fit as they'd provide Eli Manning with one of the most reliable targets in the league. Between Gonzalez and Plaxico Burress, their red-zone threat would be downright scary. The Giants should take the second- and fifth-round picks they got for Jeremy Shockey's trade and offer them to the Chiefs for Gonzalez. Shockey for Gonzo? Who doesn't do that?

 

[-baller]

omgplzplzplz

 

[blake]

wow, thanks for this thread. i'm a kellen winslow owner and was REALLY close to investigating a trade for gonzalez in my league that is AFC-only. i may hold off now after reading this.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

FWIW......KC media also reported this week that there are four teams interested in LJ and that KC is in talks with three teams to move Patrick Surtain.

 

[shredhead]

wow, thanks for this thread. i'm a kellen winslow owner and was REALLY close to investigating a trade for gonzalez in my league that is AFC-only. i may hold off now after reading this.

Sorry, but I gotta hijack this thread a sec. I've never heard of a conference only league. So, what would happen to the Gonzo owner in your league if this trade were to go through? Would he have to cut Gonzo and find somebody on the wire? I know big name trades are uncommon in the NFL, but what If your first rounder gets traded to the NFC? Seems like a risky type of league to me. I guess it's the same risk you take with drafting a player that gets injured. Just one more variable to deal with I guess.

I'm really intrigued by your league.  It actually sounds kinda fun.  I think I'd only want to play it for low stakes however.

 

[vikingdave]

wasnt the trade deadline last week?

 

[duece2626]

wasnt the trade deadline last week?

Oct. 14

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

 

[blake]

wow, thanks for this thread. i'm a kellen winslow owner and was REALLY close to investigating a trade for gonzalez in my league that is AFC-only. i may hold off now after reading this.

I've never heard of a conference only league. So, what would happen to the Gonzo owner in your league if this trade were to go through? Would he have to cut Gonzo and find somebody on the wire? I know big name trades are uncommon in the NFL, but what If your first rounder gets traded to the NFC? Seems like a risky type of league to me. I guess it's the same risk you take with drafting a player that gets injured. Just one more variable to deal with I guess.

that's basically it. everyone plays by the same rules, so no one is any better off. basically if a trade happens or, in the offseason a potential keeper switches conferences (i.e. michael turner), the franchise is just out of luck. if gonzalez got traded to the giants, what you wrote would happen. the owner would have to cut gonzalez and sign a free agent.i've been surprised this season at how no one that i've encountered on this board plays in a conference only league. so far, it's been really enjoyable for us as we only have 6 guys and didn't want everyone to have all-star teams but instead have to deal with guys like la'ron mcclain, greg camarillo and michael bush.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

 

[Koya]

BIG giants fan here.

Haven't heard an INCH of this. Will let anyone know if I do.

That said, while it would be nice to have Gonzo, I don't see this trade happening unless the Giants give up what, a 4th rounder? MAYBE a third? At this stage of Gonzo's career and knowing how NFL trades, especially near deadling, rarely if ever happen, I just don't see it coming true.

Would be damn nice, as Gonzo is every bit the hype that Shockey never lived yup to as a receiver (damn good blocker though, and dropped catcher) but I just don't see it happening. Here's hoping I'm wrong and rumor is somehow reality.

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

FWIW......KC media also reported this week that there are four teams interested in LJ and that KC is in talks with three teams to move Patrick Surtain.

No mention of teams clambering over one another to get Croyle?

 

[safariplanet]

FWIW......KC media also reported this week that there are four teams interested in LJ and that KC is in talks with three teams to move Patrick Surtain.

No mention of teams clambering over one another to get Croyle?

Croyle? You mean Phoenix Rising?

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

BIG giants fan here.Haven't heard an INCH of this. Will let anyone know if I do.That said, while it would be nice to have Gonzo, I don't see this trade happening unless the Giants give up what, a 4th rounder? MAYBE a third? At this stage of Gonzo's career and knowing how NFL trades, especially near deadling, rarely if ever happen, I just don't see it coming true.Would be damn nice, as Gonzo is every bit the hype that Shockey never lived yup to as a receiver (damn good blocker though, and dropped catcher) but I just don't see it happening. Here's hoping I'm wrong and rumor is somehow reality.

NY Daily News or NJ Star Ledger haven't reported anything yet.

 

[Slider]

The Eagles are probably one of the teams also...

 

[-OZ-]

As much as this makes sense, the KC media has been trying to get Gonzo traded for years now, especially when Whitlock was in town.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

The Eagles are probably one of the teams also...

I really hope not. While I have soured on LJ the last few years, we do have Brent Celek and I really think if he is given a full-time opportunity with the Birds he will be really good. That and I really can't see the Birds spending top dollar for an aging TE that probably won't be around for long prior to retiring. I am sure Gonzo feels he has earned the right to another fat new contract and I can't see the Eagles giving it to him. Let the G-men have him, if that is indeed where he ends up, if anywhere.

 

[The Jacket]

Let the G-men have him, if that is indeed where he ends up, if anywhere.

Good example of why the Eagles will always be the Eagles.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Redskins fan here.

:(

 

[Ruffrodys05]

Let the G-men have him, if that is indeed where he ends up, if anywhere.

Good example of why the Eagles will always be the Eagles.

I don't equate Gonzo-of-now to the Gonzo-of-old. That's just my opinion. My opinion has nothing to do with why the Eagles will always be the Eagles.I can't personally do anything about the way the Eagles do or do not throw their money around. Looking at this from the viewpoint of the Eagles tight pockets, they won't make a deal for Gonzo. The Eagles history of expenditures for players is the only reason why your statement may be correct.

 

[JetMaxx]

The Eagles are probably one of the teams also...

I really hope not. While I have soured on LJ the last few years, we do have Brent Celek and I really think if he is given a full-time opportunity with the Birds he will be really good. That and I really can't see the Birds spending top dollar for an aging TE that probably won't be around for long prior to retiring. I am sure Gonzo feels he has earned the right to another fat new contract and I can't see the Eagles giving it to him. Let the G-men have him, if that is indeed where he ends up, if anywhere.

So you wouldn't trade for Gonzo in part because the Eagles have Brent Celek. Oh man.Gonzo for a 3rd would be perfect for the Eagles for a couple of years.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Sounds like King Carl is trying to fabricate a "market" for his players. I'd also venture that the asking price for his high mileage & discontented veterans is way too high for most interested teams.

 

[FUBAR]

The Eagles are probably one of the teams also...

I really hope not. While I have soured on LJ the last few years, we do have Brent Celek and I really think if he is given a full-time opportunity with the Birds he will be really good. That and I really can't see the Birds spending top dollar for an aging TE that probably won't be around for long prior to retiring. I am sure Gonzo feels he has earned the right to another fat new contract and I can't see the Eagles giving it to him. Let the G-men have him, if that is indeed where he ends up, if anywhere.

So you wouldn't trade for Gonzo in part because the Eagles have Brent Celek. Oh man.Gonzo for a 3rd would be perfect for the Eagles for a couple of years.

If they think they could win the championship with him, sure. But remember, it's not just a 3rd for Gonzo, it's a 3rd + $$$ for Gonzo. The bling is the thing. With the Giants, they have a legit chance to repeat, Gonzo would help in a HUGE way, so it's worth the $$$.

 

[FFdork]

I'm sure a lot of teams are doing due diligence and calling around, but between the usual barriers to a trade and the way the NFL more or less punishes teams for trading w/ the salary cap, maybe one of the 20 rumors we'll hear in this week will actually happen. Just like the Housh rumor from earlier this week, who knows if this is simply reporting that an inquiry was made (any decent GM should be calling around to make sure there's not a deal out there that makes sense for his team) or even his own team putting something out there to try to drum up interest.

Anyone know much about Gonzo's contract? How bad of a hit is it to move him? Aside from that, this move makes sense to me for Gonzo, the Giants and the Chefs if they can get at least a 3rd rounder for him.

 

[GoBirds]

FWIW......KC media also reported this week that there are four teams interested in LJ and that KC is in talks with three teams to move Patrick Surtain.

What have you heard about LJ? What teams? Any chance it happens? that would be awesome......no more 10 in the box.

 

[dirtywaters20]

FWIW......KC media also reported this week that there are four teams interested in LJ and that KC is in talks with three teams to move Patrick Surtain.

What have you heard about LJ? What teams? Any chance it happens? that would be awesome......no more 10 in the box.

To stop safeties from cheating down, there actually has to be the threat of running the ball. So....unless the trade involves another play caller (or the pass-happy slapdick duo running the offense have an epiphany), LJ would never justify the commitment to obtain him.

 

[FFdork]

As we've discussed before, I think LJ's contract makes it extremely unlikely he will be traded.

 

[The Jacket]

Some of you people should do a little research -- i.e. thirty seconds in Google -- before you continually repeat how Gonzalez will "want to be paid." That's just not true. He said he loves being a Chief but obviously wants to win. He signed a five-year, $35 million deal at the beginning of 2006. Hello? $7 million per season (he's already in year three and is starting to see the big dollars) and two more years after 2008 is the perfect deal for him to play for a good team and then retire at the end of 2010 at 34 (pushing 35).

 

[hauser42]

1. I dont really see Gonzo getting traded because this just doesn't happen in todays NFL with the salary cap.

2. Chiefs have to be thinking a 2nd round pick for Gonzo so they can keep the rebuilding process going. Not sure any team out there is willing to go that high.

3. Pro Football Talk is the WORSE source for information out there when it comes to football. While I do look at each week for a good laugh. I saw them do one thing very funny a couple of years ago. The really ripped on Brett Favre's personal page in Green Bay, Chris Havel of the Press Gazette. They posted all his email responses on the site and he was upset for a couple weeks on the local radio show.

 

[packersfan]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

Not true. They've become one of the strongest sources of NFL news around the past few years and have broken a large number of stories. They have become a very credible source for NFL news. Back on topic, this would be a helluva deal for both the Giants and Gonzalez. The Giants get a major upgrade at TE and Gonzalez gets his first real chance to have some playoff success in a long time.

 

[BigRed]

FWIW......KC media also reported this week that there are four teams interested in LJ and that KC is in talks with three teams to move Patrick Surtain.

KC media sounds extremely bored/reaching for stories. But when your team is this pathetic, it's not hard to see why.

 

[3C's]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

Not true. They've become one of the strongest sources of NFL news around the past few years and have broken a large number of stories. They have become a very credible source for NFL news.

 

[FFdork]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

Not true. They've become one of the strongest sources of NFL news around the past few years and have broken a large number of stories. They have become a very credible source for NFL news.

I think it's somewhere in between. PFT reports a lot of rumors/speculation, breaks quite a few stories and do their fair share of editorial content/infotainment/B.S.Back to the topic, would the Giants or any team take on that contract or would he have to renegotiate as part of the trade? What kind of a cap hit would the Chiefs take on his signing bonus?

 

[Coach3K]

Again, with the Chiefs and any trade involving their big-money studs, you have to consider that in addition to the Salary CAP, the NFL also has a Salary FLOOR. You have to maintain a minimum level of salary, and, unless things have changed in the last month or so (i.e. the Chiefs re-signed/renegotiated with some younger guys to give them MORE money in their current contracts), they were already flirting very dangerously with that lower threshold. Moving Gonzo, LJ, or Surtain would require not only picks, but some salaries in exchange to keep this year's cap numbers above the floor...or at least a willingness to immediately restructure some contracts of young guys just to keep overall salaries high enough to stay above the floor for this year.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

Not true. They've become one of the strongest sources of NFL news around the past few years and have broken a large number of stories. They have become a very credible source for NFL news.

When I want to know if the Bills just waived somebody I've never heard of I guess it is a place I might look.

 

[Silver & Black]

Sportscenter just reported that Gonzo has spoken with management about being traded to a contender. They didn't mention any of the teams involved, just that Gonzo wants a shot at going to the super bowl.

I've always loved Gonzo and think it was a classy move going to management and gently broaching the topic. KC is a mess this year and Gonzo's career is slowly winding down, although he clearly still has great skills. Can't blame the guy for wanting to go to a contender. IMO, it would be great for KC as well since they should be able to get good value for him and start building for next year.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Sportscenter just reported that Gonzo has spoken with management about being traded to a contender. They didn't mention any of the teams involved, just that Gonzo wants a shot at going to the super bowl.I've always loved Gonzo and think it was a classy move going to management and gently broaching the topic. KC is a mess this year and Gonzo's career is slowly winding down, although he clearly still has great skills. Can't blame the guy for wanting to go to a contender. IMO, it would be great for KC as well since they should be able to get good value for him and start building for next year.

This is the prevailing thought among most fans.....although most of the women will be sad.TG now has ever attainable TE record. The only thing left is a Super Bowl appearance. BUT, I would not take less than a 2nd for him. He is only 32. Maybe a 3rd and a 4th?As for who asked about LJ -- the only teams I heard mentioned were Philly, as was expected, and possibly Baltimore. But that is taking a solitary TV report at face value -- which is something I would be leery of. The TG thing has wheels with multiple sources saying the same thing.

 

[Yenrub]

I haven't seen anything on the Giants sites that I checked out today (Big Blue Interactive, NJ.com and Daily News)

Keep in mind that the Giants do own the Saints 2nd and 5th for 2009 because of the Shockey trade, so they have extra picks to "play" with.

If any other Giants fans can recommend some other sites for me to checkout I would appreciate it

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

really hope the Bills are one of the teams in the mix here

 

[shredhead]

Let the G-men have him, if that is indeed where he ends up, if anywhere.

Good example of why the Eagles will always be the Eagles.

I don't equate Gonzo-of-now to the Gonzo-of-old. That's just my opinion. My opinion has nothing to do with why the Eagles will always be the Eagles.I can't personally do anything about the way the Eagles do or do not throw their money around. Looking at this from the viewpoint of the Eagles tight pockets, they won't make a deal for Gonzo. The Eagles history of expenditures for players is the only reason why your statement may be correct.

You are right, sort of. Gonzo-of-now is not Gonzo-of-old. That is because the Chiefs-of-now are not the Chiefs-of-old. Gonzo is still one of the best TE's in the league. If he was playing for the Cowboys for example, he would be putting up Witten-like #'s.

 

[Yenrub]

Just thought of something

Would Gonzo really want to come to the Giants? The reason Shockey wanted out was because of how he was used, more blocking than pass catching.

So far this season Boss isn't catching too many passes either

 

[millertyme1]

In regards to LJ, are these 4 teams interested NFL teams?

 

[dotman]

Just thought of somethingWould Gonzo really want to come to the Giants? The reason Shockey wanted out was because of how he was used, more blocking than pass catching.So far this season Boss isn't catching too many passes either

Tony G is a very good blocker and I think he takes pride in that, I doubt it'd be an issue especially since he'd be going to a contender. I think the Giants would utilize him in the passing game more than Boss as well.

 

[FFdork]

Again, with the Chiefs and any trade involving their big-money studs, you have to consider that in addition to the Salary CAP, the NFL also has a Salary FLOOR. You have to maintain a minimum level of salary, and, unless things have changed in the last month or so (i.e. the Chiefs re-signed/renegotiated with some younger guys to give them MORE money in their current contracts), they were already flirting very dangerously with that lower threshold. Moving Gonzo, LJ, or Surtain would require not only picks, but some salaries in exchange to keep this year's cap numbers above the floor...or at least a willingness to immediately restructure some contracts of young guys just to keep overall salaries high enough to stay above the floor for this year.

I'm no cap expert, but wouldn't it be a wash because of the way signing bonuses are handled? That is, a signing bonus that's pro-rated over the duration of the contract immediately counts against this years cap when you trade a player. The fact that they're so low may make it more feasible for KC--I still wonder how many contenders are willing to take on the salary of a guy like Gonzo or L.J.

 

[FUBAR]

Just thought of somethingWould Gonzo really want to come to the Giants? The reason Shockey wanted out was because of how he was used, more blocking than pass catching.So far this season Boss isn't catching too many passes either

Tony G is a very good blocker and I think he takes pride in that, I doubt it'd be an issue especially since he'd be going to a contender. I think the Giants would utilize him in the passing game more than Boss as well.

If you're comparing Tony to Shockey, you clearly do not know Tony. The guy simply wants to win, but he rarely (never?) makes an issue of it, at least not publicly. He's one of the best all around guys / players / quiet leaders in the game. He prides himself on being an all-around player, not just a great receiver.In case you can't tell, I like the guy, a lot. He's pretty much what every player should be and every coach wants.

 

[zoos]

don't they kind of have to trade LJ if they deal gonzalez? he will flip out!

you know where he would be awesome? the jets. i am not talking from anything but my own head, here. no rumor or anything.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

BIG giants fan here.Haven't heard an INCH of this. Will let anyone know if I do.That said, while it would be nice to have Gonzo, I don't see this trade happening unless the Giants give up what, a 4th rounder? MAYBE a third? At this stage of Gonzo's career and knowing how NFL trades, especially near deadling, rarely if ever happen, I just don't see it coming true.Would be damn nice, as Gonzo is every bit the hype that Shockey never lived yup to as a receiver (damn good blocker though, and dropped catcher) but I just don't see it happening. Here's hoping I'm wrong and rumor is somehow reality.

this is where NFL logic defies me. Like Moss for a 4th rounder. How can you tell me the roll of the dice with a 3rd rounder next year won't pale in comparison to what TG could bring a team THIS year. Then again, I'm not a capologist.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

PFT doesn't "report" anything, they post any rumor that's emailed to them.

Not true. They've become one of the strongest sources of NFL news around the past few years and have broken a large number of stories. They have become a very credible source for NFL news. Back on topic, this would be a helluva deal for both the Giants and Gonzalez. The Giants get a major upgrade at TE and Gonzalez gets his first real chance to have some playoff success in a long time.

In much the same way. I have successfully predicted the rolls of many roulette wheels in the course of my life.