Chiefs-Giants Talking trade for TE Gonzalez (2 Viewers)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

don't they kind of have to trade LJ if they deal gonzalez? he will flip out!you know where he would be awesome? the jets. i am not talking from anything but my own head, here. no rumor or anything.

LOL. You think so? I think LJ is smart enough to know that dealing an aging commodity for draft picks most likely means a better O-line for him for years to come. And even if he isn't that smart, that why players pay agents the money they do.

 

[zoos]

hmmm i guess that is a good point. but in the short term, it means more misery.

 

[theprince]

There are never any trades during the NFL season silly!

please God, make this happen

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

don't they kind of have to trade LJ if they deal gonzalez? he will flip out!you know where he would be awesome? the jets. i am not talking from anything but my own head, here. no rumor or anything.

LOL. You think so? I think LJ is smart enough to know that dealing an aging commodity for draft picks most likely means a better O-line for him for years to come. And even if he isn't that smart, that why players pay agents the money they do.

Larry Johnson is going to be 29 next month. I don't think he'll have the time to reap the benefits of a revamped line made out of draft picks.

 

[bjabrad]

don't they kind of have to trade LJ if they deal gonzalez? he will flip out!you know where he would be awesome? the jets. i am not talking from anything but my own head, here. no rumor or anything.

LOL. You think so? I think LJ is smart enough to know that dealing an aging commodity for draft picks most likely means a better O-line for him for years to come. And even if he isn't that smart, that why players pay agents the money they do.

Larry Johnson is going to be 29 next month. I don't think he'll have the time to reap the benefits of a revamped line made out of draft picks.

Agreed, and how long does it take for an offensive line to gel and learn to work together once you finally have all the ingredients??? A couple of years is what I typically hear and that's assuming that you make good decisions in the draft with quality players.LJ is a power back and needs an offensive line to plow the initial road. LJ already appears to be slowing from his peak years. LJ needs an offensive line NOW, not in a couple of years. Otherwise, LJ is wasting his potential.At this point, I've already moved on and see the future of the KC RB situation to be either Jamal Charles or a RB that isn't on the team yet. KC has so many holes left to fill (QB, OL, WR, TE, DT, DE) the only place they have youth and quality is at DB. I hope KC does trade both Gonzo and LJ for draft picks so that I as a KC fan don't have to always be rooting for a mediocre to bad team every year.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

don't they kind of have to trade LJ if they deal gonzalez? he will flip out!you know where he would be awesome? the jets. i am not talking from anything but my own head, here. no rumor or anything.

LOL. You think so? I think LJ is smart enough to know that dealing an aging commodity for draft picks most likely means a better O-line for him for years to come. And even if he isn't that smart, that why players pay agents the money they do.

Larry Johnson is going to be 29 next month. I don't think he'll have the time to reap the benefits of a revamped line made out of draft picks.

Agreed, and how long does it take for an offensive line to gel and learn to work together once you finally have all the ingredients??? A couple of years is what I typically hear and that's assuming that you make good decisions in the draft with quality players.LJ is a power back and needs an offensive line to plow the initial road. LJ already appears to be slowing from his peak years. LJ needs an offensive line NOW, not in a couple of years. Otherwise, LJ is wasting his potential.At this point, I've already moved on and see the future of the KC RB situation to be either Jamal Charles or a RB that isn't on the team yet. KC has so many holes left to fill (QB, OL, WR, TE, DT, DE) the only place they have youth and quality is at DB. I hope KC does trade both Gonzo and LJ for draft picks so that I as a KC fan don't have to always be rooting for a mediocre to bad team every year.

You forgot to mention Head Coach as one of the holes to fill. Until Herm is gone, it's gonna be mediocre season after mediocre season.

 

[The Jacket]

KC has so many holes left to fill (QB, OL, WR, TE, DT, DE) the only place they have youth and quality is at DB. I hope KC does trade both Gonzo and LJ for draft picks so that I as a KC fan don't have to always be rooting for a mediocre to bad team every year.

Gonzalez + Cottam

Dorsey + Tank

What are you talking about?

 

[FavreCo]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

 

[Abstract]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

A six rounder for Gonzo is a complete joke.

 

[vandyt]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

A six rounder for Gonzo is a complete joke.

A 32 yr old TE with a big contract? Are there other teams beating down the Chiefs door for Gonzo?6th rounder sounds about right.

 

[JPeso]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

A six rounder for Gonzo is a complete joke.

A 32 yr old TE with a big contract? Are there other teams beating down the Chiefs door for Gonzo? 6th rounder sounds about right.

Much like Terrell Owens and the argument made against his age, Tony will be able to play at a very high level longer than the average TE due to his dedication to his health and conditioning. Would you rather a 27 year-old who will never post 80/1,000, or Tony who will for 3 more?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

My initial reaction to the thread title was, please, God, no. For no other reason then I don't want to mess with the chemistry that seems to be working in this team right now.Then I got this post. If this is true, and KC wants a 3rd, and the Giants are offering a 6 - there is a middle ground to get it done, and I'm not so sure that a 3rd straight up isn't a fantastic deal by itself.

So, now, I'm giddy that the Giants may pull this off. But if they don't, so be it. The front office gets a few years from me before I start to question them.

 

[joffer]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

A six rounder for Gonzo is a complete joke.

A 32 yr old TE with a big contract? Are there other teams beating down the Chiefs door for Gonzo?6th rounder sounds about right.

not just any old TE, one of the best in NFL history. a 6th is not a realistic offer

 

[Leroy's Aces]

A 3rd for a player (and person) like Gonzalez is a great deal for the Giants. He's got 3 solid years left and could be the key to a repeat for New York. Plus, it would probably be a very late 3rd round pick.

 

[Mikey16x]

Giants homer... not really I'd want my team to dish out a 3rd rounder for him. 6th, ok but 3rd ehhh. We have some players getting up there on the defensive side of the ball like danny clark career journeymen and sam madison, r.w mcquarters. I'd rather spend that 3rd rounder on a beastly DT or another corner. Our passing game is just fine, and that's not cheap. He is 32, and expensive. I'll even go 5th, but def not a 3rd.

 

[Koya]

Maybe I was wrong thinking this had no legs... but I still don't see it. Plus, still don't see much (actually anything unless Im missing it somehow) about this rumor here in NY. Sports radio discussing it?

BTW, he is worth a 4th imo. Have to remember, the Giants do draft very well (or have of late). With that in mind, giving away a pick may mean more than teams that traditionally #### their picks up anyway. fwiw.

 

[buddyboy]

According to he Kansas City Star http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html , along with the Giants, both the Packers and Bills expressed interest in Gonzo. I know the Bills haven't had a decent receiving TE for years. Ralph Wilson isn't going to be around all that much longer. If Wilson would be willing to pony up the money, I doubt many Bills fans would be upset if they gave up a 4Th round pick for a player like Gonzo that would instantly make the Bills have a much more dangerous passing offense. He would be a great fit for the Bills and I for one would be completely psyched about the Bills chances this year in a weaker AFC.

 

[packersfan]

Sure would like to see the Packers make a move here but Ted Thompson hoards draft picks like pennies.

 

[gbill2004]

The Giants have reportedly offered a sixth-round pick to the Chiefs in exchange for Tony Gonzalez.Kansas City is holding out for a third-rounder. Green Bay and Buffalo are the other two teams in the mix to acquire Gonzo. The Chiefs' reasoning for shopping Gonzalez is reportedly because of their faith in rookie Brad Cottam. Cottam was injury prone at Tennessee, where he caught 21 passes in four years. Source: Kansas City Star

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

God the Giants look cheap here...

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I like the Giants hardline here, no need to force this but he'd be a great piece to add in to the mix. Another factor, and I don't know how into it the WASPy Giants would be, would be the large latino population in the NY metro area. Gonzalez would be a great ambassador to them(and all fans for that matter, super guy).

I also seem to recall the Jets being under the cap, and he'd be a great fit to get Dustin Keller ready.

 

[millertyme1]

God the Giants look cheap here...

With the way they've drafted lately, hard to argue with them. Plus they aren't on the hook for the large salary either.I'd offer a 4 or 5 that gets bumped a round or 2 if they reach the Super Bowl.----Edit: FWIW I believe the Giants front office is the best in the game right now. Gonzalez would be a nice piece....not a necessary one. If they decide to use that money elsewhere for the future, hard to fault them. With or without Gonzalez, I think they're the best in the NFC.

 

[Koya]

God the Giants look cheap here...

Hard to fault the Giants management here if you ask me. They have a ton of young talent, one of the most, if not the most, balanced team in the league.They draft exceptionally well, so giving up even a 4th can be quite meaningful.MOST of all, this is negotiation. KC wants a third, giants offer a 6th. It comes down to a 4th or 5th, maybe a 4th next year or 5th this year or some playing time by which the pick gets moved up.Hard to call the Giants cheap when what they have right now is working quite well.

 

[GoBills02]

Buffalo Fan.....

 

[The Jacket]

The thing I don't think people generally appreciate enough is the type of athlete Gonzalez is and the type of shape he's in. He could play for a LONG time to come if he wanted to. My guess is that he'd play out the remaining three years on his deal (after this year) for a competitive team and he'd do so at a very high level. I think if he went to a team with a QB like Eli Manning, in a capable offense that likes to throw, everyone would suddenly start talking about him as the best TE in the league. He's still that good. The catches he makes on a weekly basis from turds like Thigpen and Huard are just ridiculous.

As a Chiefs fan, I wasn't too bothered about losing Jared Allen, but seeing Tony Gonzalez in a different uniform would suck badly. (I like the deal if it's for a decent pick, but still.)

 

[Leroy's Aces]

The thing I don't think people generally appreciate enough is the type of athlete Gonzalez is and the type of shape he's in. He could play for a LONG time to come if he wanted to. My guess is that he'd play out the remaining three years on his deal (after this year) for a competitive team and he'd do so at a very high level. I think if he went to a team with a QB like Eli Manning, in a capable offense that likes to throw, everyone would suddenly start talking about him as the best TE in the league. He's still that good. The catches he makes on a weekly basis from turds like Thigpen and Huard are just ridiculous.As a Chiefs fan, I wasn't too bothered about losing Jared Allen, but seeing Tony Gonzalez in a different uniform would suck badly. (I like the deal if it's for a decent pick, but still.)

Gonzalez is still a superstar and stays in fantastic shape. He could easily play at a very high level for 3 years and maybe more. Green Bay or Philly would be a great for Gonzo. The Giants fans need to realize that their draft picks hold less value as they are likely to be close to the bottom of each round. A deal with an escalating pick clause for Philly or GB would work. I wonder if Peterson gets this done. He is a tough negotiator.

 

[Koya]

The thing I don't think people generally appreciate enough is the type of athlete Gonzalez is and the type of shape he's in. He could play for a LONG time to come if he wanted to. My guess is that he'd play out the remaining three years on his deal (after this year) for a competitive team and he'd do so at a very high level. I think if he went to a team with a QB like Eli Manning, in a capable offense that likes to throw, everyone would suddenly start talking about him as the best TE in the league. He's still that good. The catches he makes on a weekly basis from turds like Thigpen and Huard are just ridiculous.As a Chiefs fan, I wasn't too bothered about losing Jared Allen, but seeing Tony Gonzalez in a different uniform would suck badly. (I like the deal if it's for a decent pick, but still.)

Gonzalez is still a superstar and stays in fantastic shape. He could easily play at a very high level for 3 years and maybe more. Green Bay or Philly would be a great for Gonzo. The Giants fans need to realize that their draft picks hold less value as they are likely to be close to the bottom of each round. A deal with an escalating pick clause for Philly or GB would work. I wonder if Peterson gets this done. He is a tough negotiator.

I recognize how good he is - Just not going to give up a 2nd rounder as has been rumored to be what they are asking. Non Giants fans have to recognize how well they have drafted under Reese and that we have faith in this GM, big time. A third I think you'd have to really consider, but I would deal a 4th with an escalater if that could somehow work out.

 

[Sinrman]

First, I personally feel KC needs to hit the ol' "reset" button, kinda like my team, Detroit.

Second, trading off Gonzo and/or LJ would be a smart move and a good way of starting over. I'm sure the KC faithful would hate to see Gonzo gone, but LJ? Eh, I'm sure they could care less...

Third, I can see Gonzo being traded for something like a 3rd, and a team willing to go with that. LJ? I highly doubt it. As others have mentioned, his contract gets in the way. No one wants to cough up that kind of dough + a decent pick or two for a guy with a chip always on his shoulder with a lot of carries. I would be pretty surprised if he's dealt away. As an LJ owner in my main league though, I PRAY he gets traded. He is getting nowhere with that crappy offense. They have no passing game whatsoever, and teams will continue to stack the line against him...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

really hope the Bills are one of the teams in the mix here

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/462198.html

COMMENTARY

Gonzalez could fix Bills’ ills

Bob DiCesare

Updated: 10/13/08 7:25 AM

Tony Gonzalez is available? The future Hall of Fame tight end has requested a trade? This is too good to be true because what the Buffalo offense needs more than anything, save a healthy Trent Edwards, is another significant threat in its receiving corps. Add Gonzalez to the mix and the Bills go from a team that’s evolving to one that’s resolving. Install Gonzalez at tight end and for the first time in what seems like forever it’s realistic to dream the big dream.

Hello, Ralph? Answer the door. Opportunity hasn’t knocked this hard since Indianapolis was shopping Cornelius Bennett.

The Bills should be coveting Gonzalez as passionately as Barack Obama and John McCain covet Missouri. Wideout Josh Reed’s a valuable resource, a solid possession receiver with a nose for the first-down marker. Slotman Roscoe Parrish, out another four weeks, provides situational game-breaking potential. Robert Royal, the incumbent tight end, offers a commendable functionality. None of them divert the defense’s attention away from Lee Evans, who becomes all the more dynamic if opponents are forced to account for another premium performer.

The Bills are acutely aware they need to upgrade the receiving options available to their quarterback. That’s the reason they selected wideout James Hardy in the second round of the April draft, and tight end Derek Fine in the fourth round. Hardy is a work in progress, and understandably so. Fine is a great unknown, having been sidelined by injury, but there’s nothing in his background to suggest he’s the next Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Todd Heap or Dallas Clark.

The time to move is now. The AFC hasn’t been this wide-open in a decade. The New England Patriots were made vulnerable by the injury to Tom Brady. The Indianapolis Colts are getting by with mirrors and highly suspect on defense, especially with All-Pro safety Bob Sanders out of the mix. Complete this statement: Even if Gonzalez becomes a Buffalo Bill they still couldn’t beat ________ to win the AFC and advance to the Super Bowl. Is there such a team?

What it will cost the Bills to make this deal depends on how much interest Gonzalez generates and how shrewdly Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson plays his cards. The New Orleans Saints acquired elite tight end Jeremy Shockey from the New York Giants for second-and fifth-round draft choices. That should be ballpark for Gonzalez, who at 32 is four years older than Shockey. But the Bills shouldn’t be deterred if the price continues to climb, which it might, the Giants, Eagles, Buccaneers and Packers reportedly having joined the Bills in conducting exploratory talks as Tuesday’s trade deadline nears.

No matter. Draft picks are about potential. Gonzalez, the all-time leader at the position in receptions and touchdowns, is the sure thing, the ideal addition to a team that’s getting close but isn’t yet quite close enough. Yes, there’s usually a price to pay over the long term for parting with high draft picks but even that’s not a certainty.

Besides, this isn’t the time to worry about tomorrows. This is all about today, about fortifying the lineup with an elite player who last season caught 99 passes for 1,172 yards on a bad team.

The five-year, $35 million contract Gonzalez signed in January of 2007 is extremely salary cap friendly both this year and next. The games-for-cash deal with Toronto provided a major boost to the bottom line. A 4-1 start and one of the NFL’s softer schedules has cultivated loftier expectations. And there’s no dominant team in the AFC.

It all adds up to the perfect storm. Just do it.

 

[Kiddnets]

Gonzo will likely retire at the end of the year - especially if he is still with KC - KC should sell him off to the highest bidder - something is better than nothing.

 

[stbugs]

If I were the Giants, I would jump all over a 3rd for Gonzo. Heck, maybe even a 2nd if he hits certain milestones.

Also, while I understand the Giants have drafted well recently, I think a lot of you are overestimating draft pick values. Sure, 1st and 2nd rounders can turn into studs, but 3rd+ are pretty much crap shoots. Sometimes you hit, more often you don't. If the Giants see some bona-fide stud in the 3rd and they don't have one due to Gonzo, trade up.

They have a solid team now and with a 1st and 2 2nds next year, how many have a legit chance at starting soon? Chances are they might trade down anyway and acquire more depth or get more picks in later drafts.

Anyway, take a look at 2008, would you rather have Gonzo or Mario Manningham, the Giants 3rd rounder? Terrell Thomas was the Giants 2nd rounder and it doesn't appear that he has played and is 3rd on the depth chart at LCB. Andre Woodson and Robert Henderson, the two 6th round picks are not on the depth chart and Jonathan Goff, the 5th rounder also has no stats and appears buried on the depth chart. Aside from 1st rounder Kenny Phillips, only 4th rounder Kehl seems to have played.

Go back to 2007, and 1st rounder Aaron Ross is solid. They have a few decent players (Boss, Johnson and Bradshaw), but not a single one in the 2007 draft class below the 1st rounder that I wouldn't immediately trade for Gonzo and not a single one who will end up having anywhere close to the impact that Gonzo would.

I think people really have to look at each and every draft pick to realize that trading for Gonzo would easily be worthwhile. As I said before, if the Giants reach the pick they traded for Gonzo and see a gem, they can actually trade up to acquire that person as well. They have an extra 2nd and 5th from Shockey, so to me trading a 3rd for Gonzo to IMHO solidfy them as the best team in football is a no brainer.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

If I were the Giants, I would jump all over a 3rd for Gonzo. Heck, maybe even a 2nd if he hits certain milestones.Also, while I understand the Giants have drafted well recently, I think a lot of you are overestimating draft pick values. Sure, 1st and 2nd rounders can turn into studs, but 3rd+ are pretty much crap shoots. Sometimes you hit, more often you don't. If the Giants see some bona-fide stud in the 3rd and they don't have one due to Gonzo, trade up.They have a solid team now and with a 1st and 2 2nds next year, how many have a legit chance at starting soon? Chances are they might trade down anyway and acquire more depth or get more picks in later drafts.Anyway, take a look at 2008, would you rather have Gonzo or Mario Manningham, the Giants 3rd rounder? Terrell Thomas was the Giants 2nd rounder and it doesn't appear that he has played and is 3rd on the depth chart at LCB. Andre Woodson and Robert Henderson, the two 6th round picks are not on the depth chart and Jonathan Goff, the 5th rounder also has no stats and appears buried on the depth chart. Aside from 1st rounder Kenny Phillips, only 4th rounder Kehl seems to have played.Go back to 2007, and 1st rounder Aaron Ross is solid. They have a few decent players (Boss, Johnson and Bradshaw), but not a single one in the 2007 draft class below the 1st rounder that I wouldn't immediately trade for Gonzo and not a single one who will end up having anywhere close to the impact that Gonzo would.I think people really have to look at each and every draft pick to realize that trading for Gonzo would easily be worthwhile. As I said before, if the Giants reach the pick they traded for Gonzo and see a gem, they can actually trade up to acquire that person as well. They have an extra 2nd and 5th from Shockey, so to me trading a 3rd for Gonzo to IMHO solidfy them as the best team in football is a no brainer.

taking into account the extra picks that they have the giants would be foolish not to get this done. Even if a third is involved. But it sounds like a 4/5 might do it.How the hell did MIA get a second for welker? Knowing it's the pats, my guess is that giving up a 2nd/third (and thus not having to pay that draft pick big money next year) allows them to spend in other areas. By this logic, maybe the giants oughta give the third.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

But it sounds like a 4/5 might do it.

link?with at least 5 teams interested, I don't see how a 4th or 5th would get it done.

 

[FUBAR]

If I were the Giants, I would jump all over a 3rd for Gonzo. Heck, maybe even a 2nd if he hits certain milestones.

Also, while I understand the Giants have drafted well recently, I think a lot of you are overestimating draft pick values. Sure, 1st and 2nd rounders can turn into studs, but 3rd+ are pretty much crap shoots. Sometimes you hit, more often you don't. If the Giants see some bona-fide stud in the 3rd and they don't have one due to Gonzo, trade up.

They have a solid team now and with a 1st and 2 2nds next year, how many have a legit chance at starting soon? Chances are they might trade down anyway and acquire more depth or get more picks in later drafts.

Anyway, take a look at 2008, would you rather have Gonzo or Mario Manningham, the Giants 3rd rounder? Terrell Thomas was the Giants 2nd rounder and it doesn't appear that he has played and is 3rd on the depth chart at LCB. Andre Woodson and Robert Henderson, the two 6th round picks are not on the depth chart and Jonathan Goff, the 5th rounder also has no stats and appears buried on the depth chart. Aside from 1st rounder Kenny Phillips, only 4th rounder Kehl seems to have played.

Go back to 2007, and 1st rounder Aaron Ross is solid. They have a few decent players (Boss, Johnson and Bradshaw), but not a single one in the 2007 draft class below the 1st rounder that I wouldn't immediately trade for Gonzo and not a single one who will end up having anywhere close to the impact that Gonzo would.

I think people really have to look at each and every draft pick to realize that trading for Gonzo would easily be worthwhile. As I said before, if the Giants reach the pick they traded for Gonzo and see a gem, they can actually trade up to acquire that person as well. They have an extra 2nd and 5th from Shockey, so to me trading a 3rd for Gonzo to IMHO solidfy them as the best team in football is a no brainer.

taking into account the extra picks that they have the giants would be foolish not to get this done. Even if a third is involved. But it sounds like a 4/5 might do it.How the hell did MIA get a second for welker? Knowing it's the pats, my guess is that giving up a 2nd/third (and thus not having to pay that draft pick big money next year) allows them to spend in other areas. By this logic, maybe the giants oughta give the third.

2nd round pick <<< big money.The Pats got Welker because they had a decent idea what he could do and how they could use him.

As the Giants should with Gonzo.

 

[NYG Endzone]

This sounds like a layup for the Giants ... And TGonz can even dunk

 

[stbugs]

Gonzo will likely retire at the end of the year - especially if he is still with KC - KC should sell him off to the highest bidder - something is better than nothing.

Why and who said? Did Tony say this? He's missed 2 games in his now 12 year career. Remember that foot injury worry that was before his career year in 2004? I think that was the year, he won me my league that year. Aside from TDs, which is directly due to the entire KC offense scoring less, his receiving numbers have been higher the last 4 years than his first 7 years.If he stays in shape and has a high character as mentioned above, he could easily be one of the top 3 TEs the next few years, which would really help solidify a top Giants team. He sure doesn't seem to have slowed down this year even with the putrid QB situation there.

 

[stbugs]

If I were the Giants, I would jump all over a 3rd for Gonzo. Heck, maybe even a 2nd if he hits certain milestones.

Also, while I understand the Giants have drafted well recently, I think a lot of you are overestimating draft pick values. Sure, 1st and 2nd rounders can turn into studs, but 3rd+ are pretty much crap shoots. Sometimes you hit, more often you don't. If the Giants see some bona-fide stud in the 3rd and they don't have one due to Gonzo, trade up.

They have a solid team now and with a 1st and 2 2nds next year, how many have a legit chance at starting soon? Chances are they might trade down anyway and acquire more depth or get more picks in later drafts.

Anyway, take a look at 2008, would you rather have Gonzo or Mario Manningham, the Giants 3rd rounder? Terrell Thomas was the Giants 2nd rounder and it doesn't appear that he has played and is 3rd on the depth chart at LCB. Andre Woodson and Robert Henderson, the two 6th round picks are not on the depth chart and Jonathan Goff, the 5th rounder also has no stats and appears buried on the depth chart. Aside from 1st rounder Kenny Phillips, only 4th rounder Kehl seems to have played.

Go back to 2007, and 1st rounder Aaron Ross is solid. They have a few decent players (Boss, Johnson and Bradshaw), but not a single one in the 2007 draft class below the 1st rounder that I wouldn't immediately trade for Gonzo and not a single one who will end up having anywhere close to the impact that Gonzo would.

I think people really have to look at each and every draft pick to realize that trading for Gonzo would easily be worthwhile. As I said before, if the Giants reach the pick they traded for Gonzo and see a gem, they can actually trade up to acquire that person as well. They have an extra 2nd and 5th from Shockey, so to me trading a 3rd for Gonzo to IMHO solidfy them as the best team in football is a no brainer.

taking into account the extra picks that they have the giants would be foolish not to get this done. Even if a third is involved. But it sounds like a 4/5 might do it.How the hell did MIA get a second for welker? Knowing it's the pats, my guess is that giving up a 2nd/third (and thus not having to pay that draft pick big money next year) allows them to spend in other areas. By this logic, maybe the giants oughta give the third.

2nd round pick <<< big money.The Pats got Welker because they had a decent idea what he could do and how they could use him.

As the Giants should with Gonzo.

True, aside from the top half of the 1st round, I think all draft picks are pretty reasonable salary cap wise. I think teams that horde draft picks worry about losing out on that gem, but if a team has an abundance of picks, then chances are that they can easily trade up if necessary and should go out and get a guy like Gonzo. If I were Eli, I would be sitting in the front office pleading with them to take the deal.Giant fans, do you see more than 3 positions next year needing huge filling if you have Gonzo? You have a 1st and 2 2nds, so what other draft picks would even be meaningful?

 

[Kiddnets]

Gonzo will likely retire at the end of the year - especially if he is still with KC - KC should sell him off to the highest bidder - something is better than nothing.

Why and who said? Did Tony say this? He's missed 2 games in his now 12 year career. Remember that foot injury worry that was before his career year in 2004? I think that was the year, he won me my league that year. Aside from TDs, which is directly due to the entire KC offense scoring less, his receiving numbers have been higher the last 4 years than his first 7 years.If he stays in shape and has a high character as mentioned above, he could easily be one of the top 3 TEs the next few years, which would really help solidify a top Giants team. He sure doesn't seem to have slowed down this year even with the putrid QB situation there.

I read lots of articles in the pre season which quoted TG as saying this could well be his last year - I had him in a keeper league and it made me only give him a one yr contract so I remember it well - think it was posted in fanball and rotoworld.

 

[Chunky Soup]

This sounds like a layup for the Giants ... And TGonz can even dunk

I know NYC isn't near a real NBA team, but lots of NFL players can dunk. Probably Santana Moss and Desean Jackson. FWIW.

 

[Yenrub]

I would love to see the Giants add Gonzo

A 3rd seems reasonable and since the Giants have 2 2nd's, losing a 3rd shouldn't hurt too much

 

[Thorpe]

I really hope it is the Bills that get him. Tony is a classy guy and the Bills could use his leadership.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Is it confirmed that the Bills are one of the 3-4 teams interested? or is this just speculation.

 

[The Jacket]

Gonzo will likely retire at the end of the year - especially if he is still with KC - KC should sell him off to the highest bidder - something is better than nothing.

Why and who said? Did Tony say this? He's missed 2 games in his now 12 year career. Remember that foot injury worry that was before his career year in 2004? I think that was the year, he won me my league that year. Aside from TDs, which is directly due to the entire KC offense scoring less, his receiving numbers have been higher the last 4 years than his first 7 years.

If he stays in shape and has a high character as mentioned above, he could easily be one of the top 3 TEs the next few years, which would really help solidify a top Giants team. He sure doesn't seem to have slowed down this year even with the putrid QB situation there.

I read lots of articles in the pre season which quoted TG as saying this could well be his last year - I had him in a keeper league and it made me only give him a one yr contract so I remember it well - think it was posted in fanball and rotoworld.

Hate, hate, hate when people post such untrue things.

Q: How much longer do you want to keep playing?

GONZALEZ: “Right now, I’m definitely coming back next year, but then after that we’ll reevaluate and see. I feel pretty good right now. Barring any serious injury, I know I could come back after next year, but we’ll see how it goes, I don’t really know right now.”

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/09/24/qa..._gonzalez__924/

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Is it confirmed that the Bills are one of the 3-4 teams interested? or is this just speculation.

what kind of confirmation are you looking for?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/

NFC East rivals could drive up price for Gonzalez

By Chris Brown - Posted October 13th, 2008

With NFC East rivals Philadelphia and the NY Giants in the running for Tony Gonzalez’s services via trade it could drive up the price for the perennial Pro Bowl tight end. WarpaintIllustrated.com, a team outfit under the Scout.com umbrella is reporting that the Bills have offered a third-round pick for Gonzalez.

Meanwhile they’re reporting that the Giants are willing to offer more than their original offer of a 6th round selection. If Philadelphia and the Giants start competing with one another naturally the asking price goes up, which could make things more difficult for a team like Buffalo if they are in fact a part of these trade talks, which has not been confirmed by One Bills Drive to this point.

Gonzalez update

By Chris Brown - Posted October 13th, 2008

FOX Sport’s Jay Glazer spoke to Tony Gonzalez, who confirmed he asked Chiefs President/GM Carl Peterson to seek a trade for him. On FOX Sports Sunday, Glazer also said that Kansas City was initially asking for a 2nd and 5th round pick, but may take less with the trade deadline fast approaching (Tuesday 4pm).

There have also been reports (ESPN News) that the Chiefs asking price is a “first round pick and change.” So exactly what the Chiefs would settle for is unclear.

Gonzalez wants to go to a team that can contend for a title. Most reports tab the Giants as a likely destination, but according to Glazer the Giants aren’t overly interested.

In light of the AFC picture right now, I don’t think it’s unrealistic to say the Bills are a playoff contender and Gonzalez would make them that much more formidable. But if the Chiefs are looking for a first-round pick and change, that’s a lot to give up.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

ESPN News report on Gonzalez and Bills

By Chris Brown - Posted October 11th, 2008

Though there are no links to any written stories on their website, ESPN News (TV) is reporting that the Bills are one of several teams “known to have inquired about” Kansas City TE Tony Gonzalez. According to ESPN News the asking price is starting at a 1st round pick “and change.” The network did not attribute their report to any of their NFL beat reporters.

Gonzalez has been reportedly interested in making a move to a contending team as the Chiefs are in full blown rebuilding mode. The perennial Pro Bowl tight end is signed through 2011 at reasonable base salaries for a player of his caliber ($1M in ‘08, $4M in ‘09, $4.5M in ‘10, $5.75M in ‘11), though $17M of his most recent contract in guaranteed and could include some of the base salaries listed above.

A first-round pick and then some is a lot to surrender, but Gonzalez has been one of the most durable tight ends in the league and at 32 likely has at least two more productive seasons in him.

We’ll do our best to keep you updated on the possibility of Gonzalez being moved by the Chiefs prior to the Tuesday trade deadline. The Eagles are another team that has been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Gonzalez as well as the Giants.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Thats good Aaron thanks. I read on the Bills board we offered a third but you never know there with a bunch of random posts everyday.

Hoping this could happen. If the Giants and Bills both offer a third, I'd assume they'd take Buffalo's third. The G-men do have two 2nd round picks though.

Come to Buffalo Tony and play with some high character players and lead us!

 

[joffer]

unlike most trade rumors, i could actually see this happening.

 

[Gottabesweet]

I agree joffer, TG has done a ton for the Chiefs organization. They get the pick and will probably start fresh with a new coach next year and TG can get a chance to get back into the playoffs.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/836918.html

The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and the Chiefs appeared pessimistic they could reach a deal for Gonzalez by then. The New York Giants have been the most interested in making a trade, but the sides were far apart on the compensation.

The Chiefs were asking for a third-round pick, and the Giants offered a sixth-rounder.

It seems like a fourth may get it done.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

This is a no-brainer for a 3rd and a godsend for a 4th. This is Ray Bourque to the Avalanche. If the numbers work and you're Jerry Reese, I don't see how you turn this down.