Dragon1952
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All of this 'energy' will get channeled in the right direction and the Vikings will rip the Bears this weekend.
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Childress tried to bench Favre (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Favre has really sucked in cold games lately, that's why he quit on the Packers. I can't wait for the excuse brigade next week.
jonessed
Footballguy
I don't see how Tavares could have been much worse. Even I can take a snap and stand around until I get pummeled.
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fatness
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Based on the reports of previous incidents...it does not appear it was just a snap decision.
I'll give Favre one thumbs-down for how he handled it and Childress five thumbs-down for making an idiotice decision that none of teh other NFL coaches with top tier quarterbacks would consider.As I said earlier, I can't think of a single top QB who wouldn't have done the exact same thing.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think that McNabb stays in Philly one more year. Before this season, they redid his contract which runs through the end of next season. They did not extend his contract, they just gave him a raise for this year and next year. To me that makes it pretty clear that they want him (if healthy) through the end of next year, and then it will be time to move on.If they do look to trade him, I am sure they will look AFC first, and then weak NFC teams next. Minnesota would definitely be at the low end of teams they would want to trade him to. I think that there will be some market for McNabb with possible teams interested being the Raiders, Browns, Bills, Dolphins, Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Panthers, and Redskins. However, if there isn't, and Minnesota is interested, the Eagles may have no choice but to deal with the Vikings.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I agree...and I don't criticize Favre one bit for wanting to keep playing.Im just saying, it was not a snap decision.
Yet another article with multiple sources saying this was about the audibles and not just about not wanting Favre to take anymore hits.
http://messages.yahoo.com/Recreation_%26_S...frt=2&off=1
From several things in that article about the audibles and Childress not discussing the game plan much with Favre...seems Childress will take a beating in this and rightfully so.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Am I the only one that thinks this would have been an even bigger problem if Favre actually left the game & the Vikings still lost?
By Favre staying in he made it very clear that he's the leader and this team is going as far as he can take them. If he went to the sidelines, there would be no clear leader - the team would be doubting Favre's abilities (since the coach clearly did).
Also, by refusing to leave he has reduced the amount of ire directed toward Childress, both from the team and from the fans & media. If Childress pulls favre the team would be doubting the coach's decision making for pulling out the QB with a freaking lead. Viking fans and local media would be all over Childress to the point that if they didn't win a Superbowl, and Favre managed to play well - Childress would take all of the blame and could even end up fired.
I'm not a Favre apologist - I really can't stand the guy and the soap opera that follows him. And I think he showed his true colors by not following his coach's orders - but I don't believe that his decision resulted in worst case scenario for the Vikes.
By Favre staying in he made it very clear that he's the leader and this team is going as far as he can take them. If he went to the sidelines, there would be no clear leader - the team would be doubting Favre's abilities (since the coach clearly did).
Also, by refusing to leave he has reduced the amount of ire directed toward Childress, both from the team and from the fans & media. If Childress pulls favre the team would be doubting the coach's decision making for pulling out the QB with a freaking lead. Viking fans and local media would be all over Childress to the point that if they didn't win a Superbowl, and Favre managed to play well - Childress would take all of the blame and could even end up fired.
I'm not a Favre apologist - I really can't stand the guy and the soap opera that follows him. And I think he showed his true colors by not following his coach's orders - but I don't believe that his decision resulted in worst case scenario for the Vikes.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I think part of it with Childress is he was hoping to use Favre's arm a lot less than they have. At his age, there's only so many bullets in the gun and it's well documented that his production drops off late in the season and in the playoffs. With Favre audibling out of all those running plays, his number of attempts is on pace with the last couple years. Not to mention those hits add up. I think he was trying to keep Favre fresh for the stretch run, and it's starting to look like he may have enough gas in the tank to finish.
fatness
Footballguy
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
The gameplan, huh? So Favre doesn't know how to play late season football games on the road? Favre doesn't know that he's audibling out of run plays and killing momentum and the clock? I don't know if you're a Favre guy or not, but this seems all about him and pretty unfair criticism of Childress. He's undermining the decisions of the coach in the middle of the game. It's not like they were playing the '07 Patriots, either.sho nuff said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
Many would think I am a Favre "hater" because I was critical of his waffling and such last year (I was also critical of how Thompson handled it)...and critical of his play last year and skeptical of what he might bring this season.In this case...you would think the coach would want the guy involved in game planning...and listen to some of what he has to say.
I do agree that some of the audibles would be a bad thing...I agree there and that is the mistake Favre has made in this...that and talking about it as much right away.
But I think just about all of the criticism of Childress in this situation is warranted.
trader jake
Footballguy
Jimmy James said:
Valid points and well thought out by you two. However, I must disagree with one particular point, the Eagles WILL NOT trade McNabb within the NFC. In the two examples given (Rivers/Brees in SD and Rodgers/Favre in GB) the GM DID NOT trade the veteran QB to a team within his own conference.The Chargers couldn't find a deal they liked and elected to keep Brees one more season (by tagging him) before letting him walk as a free agent. The Packers went through a long dog and pony show to keep Favre out of the Vikings hands last year before sending him to the Jets. The only example I can think of where a team kept their young QB and traded their veteran within their own conference was the Patriots keeping Tom Brady and shipping Drew Bledsoe to the Bills. To be fair I guess it's not 100% that McNabb isn't sent to another NFC team but I'd put it at approximately 99%.dhockster said:
Clearly Favre gives the Vikings the best chance to win the Super Bowl. However, he DOES NOT give the team the best chance to win every single game. Sacrilege I know. If the best chance to beat an opponent is to run the ball, and Favre is checking out of runs to gunsling, he isn't the quarterback that gives the team the best chance to win every game.Last year, with Tavaris Jackson under center a majority of the season, the Vikings hosted a home playoff game. It's not like Favre took over the controls of a 4-12 team and turned them around this season. Favre is also a huge reason why the Vikings are now 2-3 when playing outdoors in 2009.JuniorNB said:
We won't be reading excuses after the Bears game. That team has given up and Adrian Peterson will run the ball until he can't stand straight up on Monday night...30+ carries and a huge effort in Chicago. Verbal bouquets all around and ESPN will lap it all up.Sabertooth said:
BigJim®
Footballguy
If reports are accurate that Chilly has threatened to pull Favre out of prior games, including particularly the Green Bay games, that is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. I always wondered whether Chilly was too egotistical to work with Favre but assumed it was not an issue since he basically bent over for Favre to get him. But let's be serious, if Childress threatened to take Favre out of the Green Bay games, and Favre knew about it, all we're seeing is payback and mutiny from Favre to stick it to Childress. I'd do the same thing if I was Favre and had led the team to a 11-2 record, gotten my coach a $4mil/year extension, and that ungrateful, unproven little Napolean coach tried putting me under his thumb. Worse yet, it would not suprise me one bit if Childress refused to give help to McKinnie to get back at Favre and "discourage" him from audibling. I'd say it is 0% Favre comes back next year now that Chilly is signed to an extension. How stupid for the Wilfs to do that before Childress accomplishes a thing.
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Mookie Blaylock
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For better or worse, though, do you honestly think the game planning provided for a 7-6 lead into the 4th quarter? Or a defensive meltdown of 20 points in the 4th quarter to a 2nd year QB no less? The easy thing to say is that Childress has terrible game management skills. What I'm saying is Childress has fine game management skills and that Favre's the one who needs to back off and understand the game situation. If Favre wasn't in the meetings to discuss the highly ranked pass defense of the Panthers and any ensuing game plan to get the backs the ball, that's a pretty big problem. But I doubt Childress is keeping the game plan from his star quarterback.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't think the game planning being discussed was about just one game or one situation but a buildup throughout the year.Not sure why you think Childress has fine game management skills though...he has been pretty inept there for several years now.
gianmarco
Footballguy
"So you knew Brett was a diva, you knew Brett wanted it his own way, you knew this all along. It was just a matter of time before it happened," Butler said, according to the report. "If I'm Percy Harvin, and I have a question on a route or a play, I'm going right to Brett Favre. If I'm Adrian Peterson and I'm not getting the carries I want, I don't go to Childress or [offensive coordinator Darrell] Bevell, I go to Brett Favre. He's running the team. All this falls on Brett."
And Brett wouldn't have it any other way. It's hilarious how a couple bad games makes everyone forget that Favre was having his best season ever through 11 games. 25 TDs and 3 ints!! All of a sudden, there's a problem in Minnesota and Favre is a prima donna.
However the postseason turns out for Minnesota, tyhey upgraded the QB position tenfold and won more games because of #4 and $4 only. And Childress is an absolute idiot feeling insecure because his HOF, top three ever at his position, quarterback callas audibles and wants to be involved in gameplanning. He needs to go to the filmroom and rewatch the Tavares Jacjkson games from last year.
And Brett wouldn't have it any other way. It's hilarious how a couple bad games makes everyone forget that Favre was having his best season ever through 11 games. 25 TDs and 3 ints!! All of a sudden, there's a problem in Minnesota and Favre is a prima donna.
However the postseason turns out for Minnesota, tyhey upgraded the QB position tenfold and won more games because of #4 and $4 only. And Childress is an absolute idiot feeling insecure because his HOF, top three ever at his position, quarterback callas audibles and wants to be involved in gameplanning. He needs to go to the filmroom and rewatch the Tavares Jacjkson games from last year.
fatness
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Didn't Favre used to drive Holmgren nuts with the audibles, too, back in the day? I seem to remember that Favre's TD pass to Freeman in the GB/SF playoff game was an audible that Holmgren bristled at, yet it worked, and gave the Packers the lead with two minutes left (before Young's TD to Owens beat them at the end). And I don't recall Holmgren ever threatening to bench Favre because of it, even if Favre's audibles drove him nuts at times, too.
In other words, Childress is handling this the wrong way. A head coach should know how to talk to and handle his players, and Childress doesn't appear to have a good idea of how to do this. Favre, right or wrong, is simply doing what he has always done.
In other words, Childress is handling this the wrong way. A head coach should know how to talk to and handle his players, and Childress doesn't appear to have a good idea of how to do this. Favre, right or wrong, is simply doing what he has always done.
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Jeremy
Footballguy
That play never happened because Jerry Rice fumbled the play before!
cr8f
Footballguy
From LeRoy Butler
Everybody in Minnesota knows that Brett Favre is running that organization. When the head coach leaves and goes and picks him up in his SUV, and brings him to the facility. Everyone knows who’s running the Minnesota Vikings. So I’m not surprised Brett won out. If the coach says to come out of the game, you come out of the game. You don’t question authority. Peyton Manning, they asked him, ‘Do you want to play?’ and he said, ‘It’s not up to me, it’s up to my coach.’ That’s what Brett should have said. ‘OK, I’m taking a lot of hits, I’ll come out of the game.’ He doesn’t want to do that. You can’t show your coach up like that. It’s 80% Brett’s fault, but it’s 20% Childress’ fault. He let it happen. It’s like a poker game. Brett is a chip, Super Bowl or bust, all in.
So you knew Brett was a diva, you knew Brett wanted it his own way, you knew this all along. It was just a matter of time before it happened. At the time they were up, 7-6. They were still in the game, so it was a little bit of bad timing. The coach was right, but it was bad timing. Childress, offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and Favre should have sat down and talked about it. But even then, it doesn’t matter. The coach gets the last word. That can’t be questioned. We can do Monday morning quarterback about it, but on the field it can’t be questioned. I don’t if Childress has been looked at as a leader since he let Brett come in with no training camp. And so, if I’m Percy Harvin, and I have a question on a route or a play, I’m going right to Brett Favre. If I’m Adrian Peterson and I’m not getting the carries I want, I don’t go to Childress or Bevell, I go to Brett Favre. He’s running the team. All this falls on Brett.
Everybody in Minnesota knows that Brett Favre is running that organization. When the head coach leaves and goes and picks him up in his SUV, and brings him to the facility. Everyone knows who’s running the Minnesota Vikings. So I’m not surprised Brett won out. If the coach says to come out of the game, you come out of the game. You don’t question authority. Peyton Manning, they asked him, ‘Do you want to play?’ and he said, ‘It’s not up to me, it’s up to my coach.’ That’s what Brett should have said. ‘OK, I’m taking a lot of hits, I’ll come out of the game.’ He doesn’t want to do that. You can’t show your coach up like that. It’s 80% Brett’s fault, but it’s 20% Childress’ fault. He let it happen. It’s like a poker game. Brett is a chip, Super Bowl or bust, all in.
So you knew Brett was a diva, you knew Brett wanted it his own way, you knew this all along. It was just a matter of time before it happened. At the time they were up, 7-6. They were still in the game, so it was a little bit of bad timing. The coach was right, but it was bad timing. Childress, offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and Favre should have sat down and talked about it. But even then, it doesn’t matter. The coach gets the last word. That can’t be questioned. We can do Monday morning quarterback about it, but on the field it can’t be questioned. I don’t if Childress has been looked at as a leader since he let Brett come in with no training camp. And so, if I’m Percy Harvin, and I have a question on a route or a play, I’m going right to Brett Favre. If I’m Adrian Peterson and I’m not getting the carries I want, I don’t go to Childress or Bevell, I go to Brett Favre. He’s running the team. All this falls on Brett.
cr8f
Footballguy
He used to drive him crazy with the rocket throws and blocks downfield. After Holmgren left Mike Sherman let him get away with just about everything until Ted Thompson stopped taking his advice.
I heard that Favre plans on playing the first half of the Pro Bowl no matter how the voting turns out!brindrod said:
Gopher State
Footballguy
Brett Favre: Conflict with Vikings coach Brad Childress 'all resolved'
USA TODAY
Vikings QB Brett Favre sought to downplay the attention given to the conflict between him and coach Brad Childress on Wednesday. Favre said Sunday that the two had a "heated discussion" when Childress said he wanted to remove the QB from a loss to the Panthers, but by Wednesday Favre said the issue was behind them.
"I think it's all resolved," Favre said. "He and I have talked."
Favre acknowledged frustrations that he described as normal occurrences during the course of a season, but attributed it to the Vikings losing two of the past three games.
"I'm here for one reason," Favre said. "That's to help this team win. I'm going to do everything in my power to see that that happens."
Childress, who had downplayed the extent of his differences with Favre earlier in the week, also said the issue is in the past. "Things go on during the course of a football game at all positions, and that's behind us," Childress said. "We're forward-looking with the Chicago Bears (the Vikings' opponent on Sunday)."
ESPN reported on Wednesday that the tension between Favre and Childress derives from each man wanting to have more control over how much audibling is done at the line of scrimmage.
Favre's former teammate in Green Bay, LeRoy Butler, said that Sunday's dispute, when Favre remained in the game, shows that Favre is actually "running" the Vikings.
Childress wanted to remove Favre, he said, because he was concerned about how much he was getting hit. Favre said he can appreciate that, but that he wanted to stay in and fight for a victory.
Favre, 40, said it's a delicate balancing act how much influence a coach should have vs. a player such as him with 19 years experience.
"The time that coaches put in in preparation says a lot," Favre said, "as I think experience and playing a long time also speaks volumes. Where you meet in that, everyone's different." -- Sean Leahy
It looks like Favre and Childress have kissed and made up. What will the Favre haters talk about now.
In case you haven't noticed the Vikings play on Monday Night Football, and we all know Favre is $$$$$$$$$ on Monday night
USA TODAY
Vikings QB Brett Favre sought to downplay the attention given to the conflict between him and coach Brad Childress on Wednesday. Favre said Sunday that the two had a "heated discussion" when Childress said he wanted to remove the QB from a loss to the Panthers, but by Wednesday Favre said the issue was behind them.
"I think it's all resolved," Favre said. "He and I have talked."
Favre acknowledged frustrations that he described as normal occurrences during the course of a season, but attributed it to the Vikings losing two of the past three games.
"I'm here for one reason," Favre said. "That's to help this team win. I'm going to do everything in my power to see that that happens."
Childress, who had downplayed the extent of his differences with Favre earlier in the week, also said the issue is in the past. "Things go on during the course of a football game at all positions, and that's behind us," Childress said. "We're forward-looking with the Chicago Bears (the Vikings' opponent on Sunday)."
ESPN reported on Wednesday that the tension between Favre and Childress derives from each man wanting to have more control over how much audibling is done at the line of scrimmage.
Favre's former teammate in Green Bay, LeRoy Butler, said that Sunday's dispute, when Favre remained in the game, shows that Favre is actually "running" the Vikings.
Childress wanted to remove Favre, he said, because he was concerned about how much he was getting hit. Favre said he can appreciate that, but that he wanted to stay in and fight for a victory.
Favre, 40, said it's a delicate balancing act how much influence a coach should have vs. a player such as him with 19 years experience.
"The time that coaches put in in preparation says a lot," Favre said, "as I think experience and playing a long time also speaks volumes. Where you meet in that, everyone's different." -- Sean Leahy
It looks like Favre and Childress have kissed and made up. What will the Favre haters talk about now.
In case you haven't noticed the Vikings play on Monday Night Football, and we all know Favre is $$$$$$$$$ on Monday night
sho nuff
Footballguy
Funny...as predicted too...many people were fine with Favre's actions. This was not about Favre hate...but how inept Childress has been.And you think its all over? You and Scotty both...remain calm....all is well.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
I said that the Vikings have many more issues that need to be corrected that make this media focused Chilly / Favre spat silly in comparison. It's understandable that this is the focus for both the media and Packer fans who would rather not look at the fact that they lost this weekend too.It's understandable, I was pretty giddy when the Pack lost to a winless bucs team.
Defending Favre by calling someone else too egotistical is funny.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ted Thompson has got to be enjoying this
. Vikings are the losers of 2 out of their last 3 and spiralling back into mediocrity. Meanwhile the Packers appear to be playoff bound :( and might get one more crack at the old timer. And this one will count way more than the other two 
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think the only reason people are talking about this spat is because the Vikings have lost 2 of 3. The other confrontations happened during wins and we never heard about this. Winning is a great deodorant.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Packers losing this past weekend or against the Bucs has nothing to do with Childress being inept. That is your attempt to deflect.
sho nuff
Footballguy
No...don't you get it...its just Packer fans again to some.Eventhough a large amount of people in these threads are not even packer fans.
cr8f
Footballguy
I doubt TT cares. He just does his job and doesn't like the limelight. He just did what he thought was right and had a difficult job. He had to keep Brett and suffer through everything because in GB Favre was a god. It had to be hard, but Favre was pushing 40 and Rodgers was 23 at the time. It wasn't personal with him he did what he had to do.It was easier for SF and Joe Montana because Young was a great player. In GB Rodgers never got any playing time even in blowouts. Favre didn't like being taken out of games.Ted Thompson has got to be enjoying this. Vikings are the losers of 2 out of their last 3
and spiralling back into mediocrity. Meanwhile the Packers appear to be playoff bound
and might get one more crack at the old timer. And this one will count way more than the other two
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
This inept coach has increased his win total every year as head coach and brought a franchise back to back division titles for the first time in over 30 years.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Great...does not make him a great coach and many have said that and have been seeing it for several years...and its creeping up more and more this year.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Just because many say it, doesn't make it true.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Doesn't necessarily make it untrue either. The reality is that a blind monkey with a crayon could lead that team to the playoffs with the talent on that roster. They've succeeded thus far in spite of Childress, not because of. His play calling is abysmal. And if some of these reports are true that he actually wanted to pull Favre in a game that they were fighting for HFA due to the Saint's loss, then he's an even bigger buffoon than I initially thought.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
About Favre audibling at the line. His most famous audible, probably, was the first offensive play in Super Bowl 31. The play was a run, if I remember correctly, and he changed the play to max protect deep post. The only thing wrong with that play was that Freeman should have been the receiver and not Rison. QB's audible, that is what they do as they see the defensive adjustments at the line and see the shifts. A coach who has a problem with a QB audibling has other issues because that is what a QB does at the NFL level.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Tantamount to the way media piled on Randy Moss after his one bad game. It going to be interesting to watch this thread drop like a stone if the Vikings beat the Bears soundly.
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Avery
Footballguy
Possible, but soundly beating the Bears these days isn't exactly a sign of anything north of mediocrity.
Tue but a bad audible can be costly, just assk TJ Rubley who made probably the most infamous audible in Packer history and cost him his job. Bottom line is that the QB does have the capability to change the called play so it is important that the play caller (OC/HC) and QB be in sync which appears they are not in Minny. There are a number of reasons why a OC/HC may want to run a specific play such as to see how the defense responds to it to maybe setup another play later in the game for example.I said in jest earlier that they should fire Childress and let Favre be HC/OC/QB. In some respects Favre is acting exactly as HC/OC/QB. I have argued a lot that I think Ted Thompson made the right call with Favre (I'm not really a TT fan though) mainly for this reason.If you think Favre is worth it, than you mise well just give him the GM/HC/OC/QB postions as well.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
First offensive play and up by 10 late in the game and trying to work the clock is much different. If you have Farve you have to take the baggage that come along with him. I don`t think Chilly will miss Farve next year.
Hoss_Cartwright
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