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Chopping championship game payout. (1 Viewer)

None_More_Black

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I have been fortunate to make it into the championship game of a medium level money league. Winner get 60%,, 2nd get 30%. Been offered a 50-50 split of 1st and 2nd money which is around 2k. I am slightly favored, but inclined to take the deal. Nothing in the rules that forbids this. Is this acceptable? Should it be announced? 10 year old league with mostly buddies but a few newer people.

 
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I don't think it's unethical or anything like that, but wouldn't announce it because of fear of embarrassment.

Are you friends with the dude? If not, I'd get at least one other person involved so he doesn't screw you over.

 
I don't think it's unethical or anything like that, but wouldn't announce it because of fear of embarrassment.

Are you friends with the dude? If not, I'd get at least one other person involved so he doesn't screw you over.
He is my best friend and known him forever. Also commish.

 
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.

 
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Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.

 
If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.

 
Granted I dont play in huge money leagues ($25-$100), but to me its much more worth it to win the championship than the money, so chopping isnt a big deal. To bigger money players if say it makes even more sense to chop as the money IS a big deal, and given the extreme luck can influence one week of football id say its logical to split if you are anywhere in the realm of a 50/50 cbance to win- depending on payout structure of course.

 
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.

 
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Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
Well I have to say I play mostly for the money and getting together for the draft. I like horse racing and when I go to the track I want to win money. I like to win money at ff.

 
There's no problem doing this you got to end and it's your choice.

Instead of 50/50 you could put aside a couple hundred to play for and split the rest.

 
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
Well I have to say I play mostly for the money and getting together for the draft. I like horse racing and when I go to the track I want to win money. I like to win money at ff.
Then you chose a really terrible hobby, in terms of money earned/time committed. That's a really inefficient use of your time, if winning the pot at the end of your season is your biggest prerogative.Then again, I might be coming at this wrong, because I exclusively play dynasty, where the time investment is probably much greater and the emotional attachment to one's hand-crafted roster is probably much greater.

 
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We have $350 for the first and second place to split. We let them decide how to do the split. I've made it to the championship game 5 of the last 10 years, and always proposed a 100-0 split. No one ever has the balls to do it.

 
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
Well I have to say I play mostly for the money and getting together for the draft. I like horse racing and when I go to the track I want to win money. I like to win money at ff.
Then you chose a really terrible hobby, in terms of money earned/time committed. That's a really inefficient use of your time, if winning the pot at the end of your season is your biggest prerogative.Then again, I might be coming at this wrong, because I exclusively play dynasty, where the time investment is probably much greater and the emotional attachment to one's hand-crafted roster is probably much greater.
I hear you. Used to play ff baseball and that was more about the fun of playing pretend gm. No time for that now. This is only redraft football. Just want to get the sense of how other league members would feel about split. 300 or so won't make or break me, but I just assume lock it up.

 
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We have $350 for the first and second place to split. We let them decide how to do the split. I've made it to the championship game 5 of the last 10 years, and always proposed a 100-0 split. No one ever has the balls to do it.
And that's the crux of the matter. Make the stakes large enough and the payout 100-0 and there's likely no one here who wouldn't split.

As the old joke goes, "we've already decided you're a whore, now we're just negotiating price."

 
Option 1-Winner takes the difference between 1st/2nd and takes the loser out for a super nice dinner at a great place, somewhere that you would not normally eat.

Option 2-Take the difference between 1st/2nd and find a charity you both believe in and donate it, whoever wins but in both names.

Option 3-Grow a pair and play it out

 
Option 1-Winner takes the difference between 1st/2nd and takes the loser out for a super nice dinner at a great place, somewhere that you would not normally eat.

Option 2-Take the difference between 1st/2nd and find a charity you both believe in and donate it, whoever wins but in both names.

Option 3-Grow a pair and play it out
Might do something like this. I went to Rutgers, he went to Penn State, maybe some type of jersey bet. Might just play for the money.

 
I've been offered deals like this but have always turned them down. I don't see anything wrong with it however.

 
None_More_Black said:
I have been fortunate to make it into the championship game of a medium level money league. Winner get 60%,, 2nd get 30%. Been offered a 50-50 split of 1st and 2nd money which is around 2k. I am slightly favored, but inclined to take the deal. Nothing in the rules that forbids this. Is this acceptable? Should it be announced? 10 year old league with mostly buddies but a few newer people.
definitely chop and bet a beer over the game.You two can enjoy the game together and winner gets bragging rights but you both come away with a nice payday. It's your best friend, just chop it.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
None_More_Black said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
you seem pretty serious.
 
ConnSKINS26 said:
None_More_Black said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
you seem pretty serious.
He's a intense magic footballer.

Edit to add: I'm thinking about offering a chop in my biggest league. The payout with 1st and 2nd would be a combined 3500. We'd both net 1750 + high score bonus' that we earned. He'd make 1950 and I'd make 2150. If he loses, he'd earn 1200, if I lose I'd earn 1400. BTW he's favored by 3 points, which is pretty mush a wash in my book. I wouldn't mind chopping, honestly.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
None_More_Black said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
You keep saying what I believe, except backwards. I'm in a couple of championship games and I might chop exactly because I don't really care about the money. I'm more interested in the championship. Granted, these are dynasty leagues that I've been trying to win for years, but still. I'm not in fantasy football for the ROI.

Either way, this has absolutely nothing to do with "integrity." That's just silly. You can talk about emotion, blood, sweat, broken bones, etc., but championship games are hugely impacted by luck. Nothing wrong with splitting up money that already belongs to those two people anyways.

 
Another option is a partial chop. Let's say there was $500 to the winner, $200 to 2nd place or something. Nothing wrong with going $300 each and playing for the $100.

 
i always offer to chop the $$ in some way. the leagues that i'm in are pretty heavily weighted to the winner, so i usually offer a 2/3 winner and 1/3 loser split. sometimes it's accepted, sometimes not. i'm in one final this year, and my opponent hasn't responded to my offer yet. that league is scheduled to pay 700/100 in the finals. i always offer 500/300 as an alternative when i'm in that position.

 
I was in 2 leagues this year with friends. Me and one guy both made the semis and looked like favorites to make the finals. I was joking with him sunday evening to chop and he laughed. Then I lost because Tucker scored more then 17 points in one league and he lost in the other because Stafford+Lions D scored less then 10. So basically even contemplating the chop is worthless.. NO GAMBLE NO FUTURE

These leagues still had a buyin of 200 and 300

 
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Are some people talking about some sort of split as meaning you are somehow less of a man or something?? Sounds crazy.

If first place is $2000 and second is $800, and you and the other guy both think the game is about an even matchup, I think it is a wise deciding to discuss a split. At this point it is pure gambling, and last I checked it shouldnt be compared to removing your #### to make a wise financial decision to guarantee yourself more money as opposed to gambling. I mean, how much different is this that walking into the casino and putting $600 on one hand of Baccarat or something?

I would not propose an even split though, just alter the payout a little to maybe like 1600 for the winner and 1200 for the loser.

Although if I proposed this and the other person said no, it wouldn't bother me one bit.

I have a situation where I am in first place in a pure victory point league, 15 teams where you play 14 games every week. I have a 4 game lead over him and like 12 over 3rd place. So I am definitely favored to win the title and pretty much cant do worse than 2nd.

The payout is 1300 for 1st and 650 for 2nd. I have discussed a split with him where I get like 1100 and he gets 850 regardless of where we finish, with this split only applying if we both finish in the top 2.

So even though I am favored I would be giving up 200 bucks to assure myself of 450 dollars above 2nd place in case I have one bad week.

Neither of us have committed to wanting to do it, but its very early in the week still. I actually approached him with the idea of a split, and he mentioned that idea since he knows I am favored by a decent amount.

I know this though, if we do it I have no problem telling the rest of the league. Fortunately the league isnt full of testosterone meatheads that think smart financial decisions are for pu&$&@s.

The bragging right are having the title for me, though the money is important enough for me at least consider an altered split depending on the final payouts.

But i do agree that you should at least have something on the line to make it interesting. I am discussing something now this with the other guy that just guarantees me more money than him since I have the lead, but we will still play for something.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.
Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
You've got it competely backwards.

The integrity in the hobby is the pride in wanting to win games, not just win money. I get it, some people priortize money, but there is every bit as much pride to want to win just to say "I won" as there is in wanting to win for a paycheck.

It is one of the reasons leagues are more stable when someone is still working waivers when they are 2-7 vs. the guy that quits 8 games in because "he can't win any money".

 
Another option is a partial chop. Let's say there was $500 to the winner, $200 to 2nd place or something. Nothing wrong with going $300 each and playing for the $100.
This...way too much luck involved on a per week basis. I'd rather guarantee a chunk then go all in on one week unless I have a matchup advantage over my opponent. Whenever I've been in a championship game I've done something like this chop roughly 80% and play for the last 20% plus bragging rights.

 
If the two parties agree then that is their business.

That said, I think it's extremely weak to reduce the championship game to nothing more than "for bragging rights". Like someone already mentioned, at least chop it in a way where you still play for some of the prize. I guess the higher the amounts of money the more I get it but a huge percentage of leagues out there have buy-ins of $50 or less in which case I think you should suck it up and play as intended.

 
Me and the other guy who made the title game discussed chopping ($1200 to first, $400 to 2nd) but we decided to take $600 each and play for the other $400. Takes some risk away, and still makes the game Sunday matter.

 
If the two parties agree then that is their business.

That said, I think it's extremely weak to reduce the championship game to nothing more than "for bragging rights". Like someone already mentioned, at least chop it in a way where you still play for some of the prize. I guess the higher the amounts of money the more I get it but a huge percentage of leagues out there have buy-ins of $50 or less in which case I think you should suck it up and play as intended.
Yeah, I do think the buy in and final prizes definitely matter. If first is like 400 and second is 200, i mean, why split?

 
Me and the other guy who made the title game discussed chopping ($1200 to first, $400 to 2nd) but we decided to take $600 each and play for the other $400. Takes some risk away, and still makes the game Sunday matter.
That is a great example of a chop that I don't think anyone should take issue with. Have fun playing for $400!

 
How bout this.

Let's say first place is $2,000 and second place is $800.

You and basically anyone would agree that you are the favorite to win the game, lets say your own personal projections have you win like 160-130, and soeone you respect very much has you winning like 165-130. And even the guy you are playing thinks you are a 20-30 points favorite.

Would you have interest in splitting and taking $1,600 and giving hiim $1,200 (or some variation on that) regardless of the outcome??

On the flip side, if you are that underdog and don't feel your chances of winning are all that good, would you take the guaranteed $400 above the normal 2nd place prize instead of the off chance you win $1,200 above that 2nd place prize?

 
I have never heard chop, either. Split the pot however you like. You've earned the right to discuss it, and decide how to divvy it up.

I've had it offered once in my years of FF and discussed it but declined. I'm actually a bit surprised that it's never been offered since, as that was a full decade ago now.

I definitely like the idea of a 60:40 split, though. There should still be some money on the line in a money league.

 
I have never heard chop, either. Split the pot however you like. You've earned the right to discuss it, and decide how to divvy it up.

I've had it offered once in my years of FF and discussed it but declined. I'm actually a bit surprised that it's never been offered since, as that was a full decade ago now.

I definitely like the idea of a 60:40 split, though. There should still be some money on the line in a money league.
Weird. Some people have never heard "chop". I think I first heard that term used in poker.

Yeah, something should be on the line I think. Sometimes though I think the drop from 1st to 2nd is too much, like 1000-300. In that case I might just ask the guy to make it 900-400, or 800-500

 
I've done this to an extent before in a league, but it was with my brother and instead of the normal 1st and 2nd payouts of $600 and $200 we did $500 and $300. I see nothing wrong with a 50/50 split though.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.
Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this
Why would you wear a varsity jacket? That's just dumb.
I have this problem in real life when around people that don't understand sarcasm. It's all I really have. If my audience doesn't speak sarcasm fluently, I'm just an @$$hole rather then funny..

 
Last year I was a huge favorite... The deadbeat I was playing was calling, texting, & emailing begging to make it 60-40% instead of 75-25%...

I finally accepted and my team #### the bed. I still regret it as I feel this is the key reason I lost. Playing the same team this year as an older & wiser man, there shall be no negotiations!

 
MoveToSkypager said:
If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.
Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this
Why would you wear a varsity jacket? That's just dumb.
I have this problem in real life when around people that don't understand sarcasm. It's all I really have. If my audience doesn't speak sarcasm fluently, I'm just an ####### rather then funny..
Ohhh I got it. The construction of his joke was just terrible. Varsity jacket? He could have used something more topical than that. Just terrible.

 
Last year I was a huge favorite... The deadbeat I was playing was calling, texting, & emailing begging to make it 60-40% instead of 75-25%...

I finally accepted and my team #### the bed. I still regret it as I feel this is the key reason I lost. Playing the same team this year as an older & wiser man, there shall be no negotiations!
Or next time negotiate it so you get the 60% whether you win or lose. Strong arm the underdog baby, haha

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
None_More_Black said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.
Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.
No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.
You keep saying what I believe, except backwards. I'm in a couple of championship games and I might chop exactly because I don't really care about the money. I'm more interested in the championship. Granted, these are dynasty leagues that I've been trying to win for years, but still. I'm not in fantasy football for the ROI.

Either way, this has absolutely nothing to do with "integrity." That's just silly. You can talk about emotion, blood, sweat, broken bones, etc., but championship games are hugely impacted by luck. Nothing wrong with splitting up money that already belongs to those two people anyways.
Yeah, I'm not following him- if you chop it 50/50, then obviously the only thing on the line is the championship, and the payout would not be.

 
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