Chopping championship game payout. (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

 

[Shutout]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.

 

[T J]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.

You're nuts if you think that's collusion. And it's NOTa pansy move. It's called smart. I'd rather have the cash than the championship - 'cause that's what I play for. Others may differ.

 

[simsarge]

If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.

Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this

Why would you wear a varsity jacket? That's just dumb.

I have this problem in real life when around people that don't understand sarcasm. It's all I really have. If my audience doesn't speak sarcasm fluently, I'm just an ####### rather then funny..

Ohhh I got it. The construction of his joke was just terrible. Varsity jacket? He could have used something more topical than that. Just terrible.

I got it Maybe if you paid a little more attention to your Sarcasm Rosetta Stone CD's you would've too.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.

Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this

Why would you wear a varsity jacket? That's just dumb.

I have this problem in real life when around people that don't understand sarcasm. It's all I really have. If my audience doesn't speak sarcasm fluently, I'm just an ####### rather then funny..

Ohhh I got it. The construction of his joke was just terrible. Varsity jacket? He could have used something more topical than that. Just terrible.

I got it Maybe if you paid a little more attention to your Sarcasm Rosetta Stone CD's you would've too.

Much better than the varsity jacket one.

 

[simsarge]

If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.

Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this

Why would you wear a varsity jacket? That's just dumb.

I have this problem in real life when around people that don't understand sarcasm. It's all I really have. If my audience doesn't speak sarcasm fluently, I'm just an ####### rather then funny..

Ohhh I got it. The construction of his joke was just terrible. Varsity jacket? He could have used something more topical than that. Just terrible.

I got it Maybe if you paid a little more attention to your Sarcasm Rosetta Stone CD's you would've too.

Much better than the varsity jacket one.

Sarcasm U. Summa Cum Laude, Class of 2013

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.

You're nuts if you think that's collusion. And it's NOTa pansy move. It's called smart. I'd rather have the cash than the championship - 'cause that's what I play for. Others may differ.

two teams conspiring to fix the outcome of a game, its collusion.

 

[Steeler]

[SIZE=10pt]You talk about pride. Is pride going to buy your groceries or some flowers for your girl? I forgo the pride associated with fantasy football. But I still need to decide who to start at QB this weekend because of this RG3 business. So now I have to make arrangements to start some other QB to try and win this week. But I'm a supersticious man. And if some unlucky accident should befall him, if he should pull a hammy in warmups, or if he should hang himself in the locker room before the game, or if he's struck by a bolt of lightning... then I'm going to blame some of the people in this thread... and that, I do not forgive. But, that aside, I swear, on the souls of my grandchildren, that I will offer a chop to my competitor in the championship game to reduce the risk associate with fantasy football.[/SIZE]

 

[Mikey16x]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.You're nuts if you think that's collusion. And it's NOTa pansy move. It's called smart. I'd rather have the cash than the championship - 'cause that's what I play for. Others may differ.

two teams conspiring to fix the outcome of a game, its collusion.

Collusion? Are you guys high? Nobody is fixing the game and nobody else is getting shafted. For all intensive purposes that money can only belong to the 2 people involved. You're telling me that the league is getting swindled, after they've been eliminated? You serious magic footballers crack me up.

 

[The General]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

You have this backwards.

How does any type of deal about the money effected THE CHAMPIONSHIP? The money is nothing but extra goodness that comes with winning the title game.

 

[The General]

If you do it, make sure on your list of league champs, leave this year blank. No one deserved it this year because they were cowards.

Bro in MY league you would not get to wear the Varsity Jacket for the customary season if you did this

Why would you wear a varsity jacket? That's just dumb.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.

Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.

No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.

You keep saying what I believe, except backwards. I'm in a couple of championship games and I might chop exactly because I don't really care about the money. I'm more interested in the championship. Granted, these are dynasty leagues that I've been trying to win for years, but still. I'm not in fantasy football for the ROI.

Either way, this has absolutely nothing to do with "integrity." That's just silly. You can talk about emotion, blood, sweat, broken bones, etc., but championship games are hugely impacted by luck. Nothing wrong with splitting up money that already belongs to those two people anyways.

Yeah, I'm not following him- if you chop it 50/50, then obviously the only thing on the line is the championship, and the payout would not be.

I guess this just doesn't make sense to me--if you go out of your way to alter the usual payout rules in order to benefit win or lose, you're proving that you play for the money. If you don't care about the money, you aren't going out of your way to ensure that you get half of it--you're just letting it ride.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Exactly.

 

[The General]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.

Buying a guy off is collusion.

Chopping a pot or splitting it up to lessen the money you may lose is not.

What is so hard about this to understand?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.You're nuts if you think that's collusion. And it's NOTa pansy move. It's called smart. I'd rather have the cash than the championship - 'cause that's what I play for. Others may differ.

two teams conspiring to fix the outcome of a game, its collusion.

Collusion? Are you guys high? Nobody is fixing the game and nobody else is getting shafted. For all intensive purposes that money can only belong to the 2 people involved. You're telling me that the league is getting swindled, after they've been eliminated? You serious magic footballers crack me up.

What if the purposes weren't intensive?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

Buying a guy off for the championship isn't really winning a championship--it's just an empty title. That's not "only caring about winning your league"...it's "only caring about the PERCEPTION of winning your league".

 

[msommer]

Last year I was a huge favorite... The deadbeat I was playing was calling, texting, & emailing begging to make it 60-40% instead of 75-25%...

I finally accepted and my team #### the bed. I still regret it as I feel this is the key reason I lost. Playing the same team this year as an older & wiser man, there shall be no negotiations!

You avoid walking under ladders and believe in magic fairy dust too?

 

[mozzy84]

split it if you and the other guy want. Happens all the time

 

[Mene]

In the league I commish, I used to be on the side of no spitting/chopping the pot. I took the puffed out chest stance that was a pansy move, it lacked integrity, etc... etc. I put a lot of thought into though, and in the end, I came down on the side of "If you wanna split, I don't care". My league is composed of friends, and in the end, the Trophy is far and away the most important part of the championship. The money is nice, it makes for a nice Christmas bonus, but your name on that trophy is what matters most. If fantasy football has shown me anything over these many years, it's that any one game is a complete crap shoot. A season tends to balance out the luck a bit, allowing the cream to rise, but in a single game... anything can happen. If two guys want to eliminate that luck factor when it comes to the cash, I'm not going to stop them. They already took part of the real grind in getting there in the first place. Even if I wanted to stop it, I couldn't... I have no way to prevent them from agreeing to it and splitting the money after I distribute it anyways. Like I said though, I couldn't come up with any logical reason to prevent it regardless ... every reason I came up with wound up just sounding like the typical macho bs.

In the end, all that matters is that your individual league is happy with whichever way you land on this issue.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Last year I was a huge favorite... The deadbeat I was playing was calling, texting, & emailing begging to make it 60-40% instead of 75-25%...

I finally accepted and my team #### the bed. I still regret it as I feel this is the key reason I lost. Playing the same team this year as an older & wiser man, there shall be no negotiations!

You avoid walking under ladders and believe in magic fairy dust too?

Sick burn!

 

[Shutout]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.You're nuts if you think that's collusion. And it's NOTa pansy move. It's called smart. I'd rather have the cash than the championship - 'cause that's what I play for. Others may differ.

two teams conspiring to fix the outcome of a game, its collusion.

Collusion? Are you guys high? Nobody is fixing the game and nobody else is getting shafted. For all intensive purposes that money can only belong to the 2 people involved. You're telling me that the league is getting swindled, after they've been eliminated? You serious magic footballers crack me up.

yeah, I get the thought by the most literal sense of the definition but at this point in the season, no teams can be hurt or have thier fantasy season impacted so it would be hard for me to call it collusion. If anything, at that point, its more like saying "Congrats to our (two) champions. We have two prizes, gentlemen. Which do you prefer?

 

[Shutout]

Have some pride. Doing this just makes the championship game worthless. Destroys the integrity of the hobby, really. If you're going to play for money, especially big money, then man up and actually play for it.

At the very least, don't tell anyone you hedged. Especially with the commish. I would have laughed in your friends face and told him to earn it.

Kind of what I'm thinking but a championship is still on the line. Some people play for free.

No, a championship isn't on the line if you make this deal. A payout is. Depends how important being a competitor is to you, I guess. The difference between 30% and 50% isn't enough for me to consider setting aside my integrity. I put a ton of time, energy, and emotion into this hobby because I enjoy it, enjoy competing, and also use it as an additional incentive to enjoy my favorite sport, the NFL. So I take a ton of pride in winning and getting that payout, not for the money, but for what it represents.If you want to throw that away over an extra 20% in winnings, we either are very different people, or we play fantasy football for very different reasons.

You keep saying what I believe, except backwards. I'm in a couple of championship games and I might chop exactly because I don't really care about the money. I'm more interested in the championship. Granted, these are dynasty leagues that I've been trying to win for years, but still. I'm not in fantasy football for the ROI.

Either way, this has absolutely nothing to do with "integrity." That's just silly. You can talk about emotion, blood, sweat, broken bones, etc., but championship games are hugely impacted by luck. Nothing wrong with splitting up money that already belongs to those two people anyways.

Yeah, I'm not following him- if you chop it 50/50, then obviously the only thing on the line is the championship, and the payout would not be.

I guess this just doesn't make sense to me--if you go out of your way to alter the usual payout rules in order to benefit win or lose, you're proving that you play for the money. If you don't care about the money, you aren't going out of your way to ensure that you get half of it--you're just letting it ride.

Maybe, maybe not. If one guy doesn't play for money and a guy matched up with him in the finals approached him and asked if he would split and the other person says, "Fine. I don't play for the money. I don't care." then that's really nothing but clearly showing they don't care about the money.

Or maybe a league full of buddies are playing and a guy down on his luck could really use the cash and you approach the guy and offer to split, just as a way to kind of help him. There are lots of alternatives.

 

[Shutout]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.

Buying a guy off is collusion.

Chopping a pot or splitting it up to lessen the money you may lose is not.

What is so hard about this to understand?

Apparently, the practice of collusion is the hard thing to understand. By definition, collusion includes a component of deceiving others, limiting others, defrauding others, etc, and is almost always secrative. In this case, none of those things exist because 100% of the people it affects know about it and no one is being defrauded, limited, or deceived.

At this point in the season, the only thing left is there are two prizes; money and a title, and the only thing being discussed is what percentage does each person want of each? Nobody else is getting hurt, taken advantage of, or participating in anything that hurts them or is being held from them.

 

[Shutout]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

Buying a guy off for the championship isn't really winning a championship--it's just an empty title. That's not "only caring about winning your league"...it's "only caring about the PERCEPTION of winning your league".

Absolutely incorrect. If you win, you win. You can argue semantics to any ridiculous degree but at the end of the day, if you won, you won. You got to the position to win and you divided the prize. You prefer titles, He prefers money. Simple as that.

In the course of a fantasy season, a LOT more things happen between blurred lines than a case like this where two guys say "here we are. I like titles. You like money. Choose your prize" You have people who try to outright cheat during the season. You have people that try to circumvent rules on technicalities. You have guys that act like ##### bags and pick up players just to block others. All those things are in no way any more noble than two people that pick their result once they have already earned their victories that put them in that position.

Now, will the perception of the other members maybe be "well, that guy basically forfeited you a win. Its not real." Ok, but none of us know how most games might have gone one way or another had someone had a different lineup or had a guy not been allowed into the playoffs when his opponent forgot to take his bye week guys out of the lineup three weeks ago, and on and on.

The road has a million forks but only the destination matters. If you play for money and you end the season with money, you achieved your goal. If you play for titles and you end the year as champ, you achieved your goal and if anyone disagrees with you, then flash them your deposit slip or remind them they didn't win enough games to keep you out of the playoffs. It is what it is.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

Buying a guy off for the championship isn't really winning a championship--it's just an empty title. That's not "only caring about winning your league"...it's "only caring about the PERCEPTION of winning your league".

Absolutely incorrect. If you win, you win. You can argue semantics to any ridiculous degree but at the end of the day, if you won, you won. You got to the position to win and you divided the prize. You prefer titles, He prefers money. Simple as that. In the course of a fantasy season, a LOT more things happen between blurred lines than a case like this where two guys say "here we are. I like titles. You like money. Choose your prize" You have people who try to outright cheat during the season. You have people that try to circumvent rules on technicalities. You have guys that act like ##### bags and pick up players just to block others. All those things are in no way any more noble than two people that pick their result once they have already earned their victories that put them in that position.

Now, will the perception of the other members maybe be "well, that guy basically forfeited you a win. Its not real." Ok, but none of us know how most games might have gone one way or another had someone had a different lineup or had a guy not been allowed into the playoffs when his opponent forgot to take his bye week guys out of the lineup three weeks ago, and on and on.

The road has a million forks but only the destination matters. If you play for money and you end the season with money, you achieved your goal. If you play for titles and you end the year as champ, you achieved your goal and if anyone disagrees with you, then flash them your deposit slip or remind them they didn't win enough games to keep you out of the playoffs. It is what it is.

If I pay you to not play your best lineup, giving me the "championship", it's not a real win. Sorry. That IS collusion.

 

[Shutout]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

Buying a guy off for the championship isn't really winning a championship--it's just an empty title. That's not "only caring about winning your league"...it's "only caring about the PERCEPTION of winning your league".

Absolutely incorrect. If you win, you win. You can argue semantics to any ridiculous degree but at the end of the day, if you won, you won. You got to the position to win and you divided the prize. You prefer titles, He prefers money. Simple as that. In the course of a fantasy season, a LOT more things happen between blurred lines than a case like this where two guys say "here we are. I like titles. You like money. Choose your prize" You have people who try to outright cheat during the season. You have people that try to circumvent rules on technicalities. You have guys that act like ##### bags and pick up players just to block others. All those things are in no way any more noble than two people that pick their result once they have already earned their victories that put them in that position.

Now, will the perception of the other members maybe be "well, that guy basically forfeited you a win. Its not real." Ok, but none of us know how most games might have gone one way or another had someone had a different lineup or had a guy not been allowed into the playoffs when his opponent forgot to take his bye week guys out of the lineup three weeks ago, and on and on.

The road has a million forks but only the destination matters. If you play for money and you end the season with money, you achieved your goal. If you play for titles and you end the year as champ, you achieved your goal and if anyone disagrees with you, then flash them your deposit slip or remind them they didn't win enough games to keep you out of the playoffs. It is what it is.

If I pay you to not play your best lineup, giving me the "championship", it's not a real win. Sorry. That IS collusion.

By definition and in practice, it is NOT collusion because we are the only 2 people involved. We hurt no one. We defraud no one. We affect no one except ourselves. It is simply you and I splitting the prize as we like and it is real money and it is a real league title. You can feel cheap and dirty about it little girl, but if you took the money and did the deed, you still did it.

 

[chasyone]

I've seen guys chop the money and still play it out so the winner gets his name on the trophy

 

[ConnSKINS26]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

Buying a guy off for the championship isn't really winning a championship--it's just an empty title. That's not "only caring about winning your league"...it's "only caring about the PERCEPTION of winning your league".

Absolutely incorrect. If you win, you win. You can argue semantics to any ridiculous degree but at the end of the day, if you won, you won. You got to the position to win and you divided the prize. You prefer titles, He prefers money. Simple as that. In the course of a fantasy season, a LOT more things happen between blurred lines than a case like this where two guys say "here we are. I like titles. You like money. Choose your prize" You have people who try to outright cheat during the season. You have people that try to circumvent rules on technicalities. You have guys that act like ##### bags and pick up players just to block others. All those things are in no way any more noble than two people that pick their result once they have already earned their victories that put them in that position.

Now, will the perception of the other members maybe be "well, that guy basically forfeited you a win. Its not real." Ok, but none of us know how most games might have gone one way or another had someone had a different lineup or had a guy not been allowed into the playoffs when his opponent forgot to take his bye week guys out of the lineup three weeks ago, and on and on.

The road has a million forks but only the destination matters. If you play for money and you end the season with money, you achieved your goal. If you play for titles and you end the year as champ, you achieved your goal and if anyone disagrees with you, then flash them your deposit slip or remind them they didn't win enough games to keep you out of the playoffs. It is what it is.

If I pay you to not play your best lineup, giving me the "championship", it's not a real win. Sorry. That IS collusion.

By definition and in practice, it is NOT collusion because we are the only 2 people involved. We hurt no one. We defraud no one. We affect no one except ourselves. It is simply you and I splitting the prize as we like and it is real money and it is a real league title. You can feel cheap and dirty about it little girl, but if you took the money and did the deed, you still did it.

You hurt the entire league, and it's future integrity, showing that a championship title can be bought. Can't believe we're even having this discussion. You don't think the rest of the league will care, after playing all season to try to get where you are? It doesn't matter what the technical, textbook definition of collusion is---this violates the spirit of the competition, no matter what you want to call it. It's cheating, and it cheapens the entire season and the league itself. I would expect a league like this to fold quickly after the fact, because what's the point of playing a game someone just bought?

 

[Steeler]

I would feel really sorry for someone who paid another player just do they could win a fantasy football championship.

 

[Shutout]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

Buying a guy off for the championship isn't really winning a championship--it's just an empty title. That's not "only caring about winning your league"...it's "only caring about the PERCEPTION of winning your league".

Absolutely incorrect. If you win, you win. You can argue semantics to any ridiculous degree but at the end of the day, if you won, you won. You got to the position to win and you divided the prize. You prefer titles, He prefers money. Simple as that. In the course of a fantasy season, a LOT more things happen between blurred lines than a case like this where two guys say "here we are. I like titles. You like money. Choose your prize" You have people who try to outright cheat during the season. You have people that try to circumvent rules on technicalities. You have guys that act like ##### bags and pick up players just to block others. All those things are in no way any more noble than two people that pick their result once they have already earned their victories that put them in that position.

Now, will the perception of the other members maybe be "well, that guy basically forfeited you a win. Its not real." Ok, but none of us know how most games might have gone one way or another had someone had a different lineup or had a guy not been allowed into the playoffs when his opponent forgot to take his bye week guys out of the lineup three weeks ago, and on and on.

The road has a million forks but only the destination matters. If you play for money and you end the season with money, you achieved your goal. If you play for titles and you end the year as champ, you achieved your goal and if anyone disagrees with you, then flash them your deposit slip or remind them they didn't win enough games to keep you out of the playoffs. It is what it is.

If I pay you to not play your best lineup, giving me the "championship", it's not a real win. Sorry. That IS collusion.

By definition and in practice, it is NOT collusion because we are the only 2 people involved. We hurt no one. We defraud no one. We affect no one except ourselves. It is simply you and I splitting the prize as we like and it is real money and it is a real league title. You can feel cheap and dirty about it little girl, but if you took the money and did the deed, you still did it.

You hurt the entire league, and it's future integrity, showing that a championship title can be bought. Can't believe we're even having this discussion. You don't think the rest of the league will care, after playing all season to try to get where you are? It doesn't matter what the technical, textbook definition of collusion is---this violates the spirit of the competition, no matter what you want to call it. It's cheating, and it cheapens the entire season and the league itself. I would expect a league like this to fold quickly after the fact, because what's the point of playing a game someone just bought?

Why would the rest of the league care? Do champions get bonus points in next year's games?

Let's be real. In a redraft, people check out of leagues the minute they are eliminated. In a dynasty, if there is no trading allowed or some rule that truly affects the future, then no one cares. People will be polite and send a little message saying congrats, etc, but you're entirely full of yourself if you think that the 5-8 team in your dynasty league is sitting around following scores this weekend wondering if Team A is going to repeat as champions.

the Bottom line is IF you had some people that cared as much as you are suggesting the majority of any given league does, then they probably take it a bit too seriously if they would dissolve a league just because Bill took some cash and took his family to dinner while Rob took a title because really, at that point, the only thing they are really upset about is the fact that in all their hard work, they couldn't stop the guys that made that decision (which did not affect them in any meanngful way....wasn't their money..didn't cost them a draft pick in a rookie draft...nothing) from making the decision.

Six months from now, nothing will be different. You will still show up and play. You will still have the same resources. You aren't penalized points becasue of anything. And there really is no difference between you saying Bob should be the winner and not Rob because, in reality, they are BOTH still better than you..You lost. THey won.

 

[PatsWillWin]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

It's really weird that the people claiming to be anti-chop keep posting pro-chop things.

 

[PatsWillWin]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

splitting the cash is a pansy move

Your post got me to thinking of an additional angle on this:

Would any of you guys entertain this idea (and would it be wrong to do so):

Let's say you only care about winning your league. Would you buy a guy off? Give them the whole pot to take a dive?

Let's say you ONLY care about the money. Would you take the dive for the cash?

thats pretty much collusion, so is chopping the pot in my eyes.

Buying a guy off is collusion.

Chopping a pot or splitting it up to lessen the money you may lose is not.

What is so hard about this to understand?

Apparently, the practice of collusion is the hard thing to understand. By definition, collusion includes a component of deceiving others, limiting others, defrauding others, etc, and is almost always secrative. In this case, none of those things exist because 100% of the people it affects know about it and no one is being defrauded, limited, or deceived.

At this point in the season, the only thing left is there are two prizes; money and a title, and the only thing being discussed is what percentage does each person want of each? Nobody else is getting hurt, taken advantage of, or participating in anything that hurts them or is being held from them.

Sorry, but taking cash to throw a game is collusion. The key characteristic of chopping the $ that makes it okay is that at the end of the day, chop or not, both owners are trying to set their best lineups to try and win the game.

 

[The General]

splitting seems so wrong, no integrity, no morales, WIN THE GAME, WIN THE TROPHY

whats a couple hundred bucks anyway? I want the pride, the recognition, THE CHAMPIONSHIP

It's really weird that the people claiming to be anti-chop keep posting pro-chop things.

Exactly! I don't get it.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

If Hip Hop has taught us anything people, it's to keep it real. Keeping it real = do not chop the pot. So people that consider chopping should ask themselves why they don't want to keep it real.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

This whole discussion is weird. How are people confusing the split of money vs. the winning of the game?

We have a traveling trophy that is nice and people want their name on it. We also have prize money. Under any circumstance, both teams in the finals will submit their best line-up and try to win. There is no need to collude - for what? If one guys pays the other guy to take a dive so he can win the trophy? Yeah, that is collusion - just splitting the money? No.

If they decided to split the money, that has nothing to do with the game outcome. No collusion. They earned the right to decide what they want to do with the pot at that point. No different than chopping a pot in poker.

 

[Warrior]

I'm revoking all of your man cards.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This whole discussion is weird. How are people confusing the split of money vs. the winning of the game?

We have a traveling trophy that is nice and people want their name on it. We also have prize money. Under any circumstance, both teams in the finals will submit their best line-up and try to win. There is no need to collude - for what?

If one guys pays the other guy to take a dive so he can win the trophy? Yeah, that is collusion - just splitting the money? No.

If they decided to split the money, that has nothing to do with the game outcome. No collusion. They earned the right to decide what they want to do with the pot at that point. No different than chopping a pot in poker.

We do in fact have some people in here arguing that this is okay.

 

[adam220891]

Taking dives and splitting pots.

Disgraceful.

Don't even contemplate it.

 

[GregR]

So long as they both do their honest best to win the game, play their best lineup, I don't see an issue.

 

[Steeler]

Taking dives and splitting pots.

Disgraceful.

There is a big difference between chopping and taking a dive.... in fact they aren't similar at all. This thread really got derailed by the guy who brought up the idea of taking zero cash so your opponent tanks the game.

Chopping is really about risk tolerance and guaranteeing a higher payout in case you lose the game. Not only is it OK, it's smart to consider doing it every time you get the chance. I'm not saying you should chop every time, but dismissing it as dumb, unethical, unmanly, or whatever is short-sited at best.

 

[ghostguy123]

Taking dives and splitting pots.

Disgraceful.

There is a big difference between chopping and taking a dive.... in fact they aren't similar at all. This thread really got derailed by the guy who brought up the idea of taking zero cash so your opponent tanks the game.

Chopping is really about risk tolerance and guaranteeing a higher payout in case you lose the game. Not only is it OK, it's smart to consider doing it every time you get the chance. I'm not saying you should chop every time, but dismissing it as dumb, unethical, unmanly, or whatever is short-sited at best.

But good financial decisions mean you aren't a man. Didn't you know that?

 

[mquinnjr]

I was an underdog in a keep 3 league in 2012, and playing with a team of guys I hit through the draft and waivers to make the championship. You can trade future picks for current year players in this league, and the guy I was playing did this all season long. Guy talked major trash, unbeatable team, etc. His team was stacked, I took him down when they all had a collectively bad week in Week 16, and it felt incredible.

My point being don't sell out. This is what you research for and sweat all summer and fall for the opportunity to participate in. Make it mean something.

 

[mbuehner]

In this thread- a lot of people who dont understand what a chop is.

 

[Steeler]

My point being don't sell out. This is what you research for and sweat all summer and fall for the opportunity to participate in. Make it mean something.

A chop doesn't have to be 50/50. For example, if the stipulated payout for some random league is 90/10 and both parties agreed to make it 60/40 they are still playing for 20% of the pot.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Do whatever you want; nothing wrong with it. Anyone who uses the phrase "man up" in pretend football has poor irony radar. To quote Sapp, "put a jersey on." You can't "man up" in pretend football any more than you can "man up" on Xbox Live.

You're still playing for the bragging rights of the championship, which is probably more valuable than the money. Years from now you won't have a penny of that $ but you'll remember winning the title. Chop it, make some money and try to win the title -- and buy your patient, understanding family a little something nice either way.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Taking dives and splitting pots.

Disgraceful.

Don't even contemplate it.

Too late! He already contemplated it. Now what do we do?

 

[ghostguy123]

My point being don't sell out. This is what you research for and sweat all summer and fall for the opportunity to participate in. Make it mean something.

A chop doesn't have to be 50/50. For example, if the stipulated payout for some random league is 90/10 and both parties agreed to make it 60/40 they are still playing for 20% of the pot.

Right. Sometimes the final payouts are too lopsided.

But hey, if you have no interest in a chop, don't chop. Nobody will bash you for it even though its a bad decicion if you are a clear underdog.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Do whatever you want; nothing wrong with it. Anyone who uses the phrase "man up" in pretend football has poor irony radar. To quote Sapp, "put a jersey on." You can't "man up" in pretend football any more than you can "man up" on Xbox Live.

You're still playing for the bragging rights of the championship, which is probably more valuable than the money. Years from now you won't have a penny of that $ but you'll remember winning the title. Chop it, make some money and try to win the title -- and buy your patient, understanding family a little something nice either way.

What if we are wearing a jersey? Then what, genius?

 

[adam220891]

I mean, if you were playing for 5k, I can see splitting it.

But what's the point for a couple hundred? It honestly takes away from the purpose of winning it all, and for not much cash. 5k or 0 is a scary prospect, 400 or 80 (in the case of my league) makes it pointless.