Why are you jealous? I'd rather have the money that it cost to buy the ring. It's not like we're real NFL players and getting a real superbowl ring. What are you going to do, wear the ring and brag about your fantasy championship when people notice your ring? Wow, that must impress the ladies. I suppose I could use the "nobody cares about your fantasy team" line here too.Who cares about a stinkin trophy or ring, show me the money!!!! Now bragging rights, that's different. Bragging rights is priceless.
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Chopping the Pot Before The Super Bowl (1 Viewer)
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Double Naught Spy
Footballguy
After everyone in the league pays their dues next year maybe the entire league can chop the pot before the season starts ... just sayin'
My personal opinion? To the victor goes the spoils... At least that's how I've always looked at it. I never split unless I gain a significant advantage by doing so. If it's up in the air then I go for it. If I get second place, I deserve second place money. If I get first place, I deserve first place money. If I split, I don't think I deserve any money because that's either money that I shouldn't have won or half the money I should have won. Either way, I think it takes away from the SB.
And it's not because of the extra money, but to me bragging rights alone means very little. I win a lot in leagues with no money. In fact, I'm a back to back champion in one league with no money with family. Does anyone care if they lose in those leagues? No, because they don't lose anything and pride in being good at FF and winning a virtual title is a very small thing when compared to real life accomplishments. The only way it becomes somewhat meaningful is when you put money behind it. Money makes things more competitive because it gives people something to lose. People hate losing something that is theirs be it 10 dollar or 1000 dollars. That's why people split, not to be "good sports" like you guys talk about. This isn't a humanitarian act here, people who play fantasy football aren't homeless, jobless, starving people who need the extra 100 to pay for their meals. People keep badmouthing people who wouldn't split but that's just the have-nots trying to get something from the haves; people hoping others would split the pot with them.
And it's not bad to be competitive when it comes to fantasy football. I can't believe people here are saying it's wrong to take fantasy football too seriously. Are you crazy? Yeah, it's wrong to take fantasy football so seriously you lose your job but at the same time not wanting to split and keeping your winnings is not taking it too seriously. It's part of the game... There are winners and there are losers and competition is what makes fantasy football fun. Seriously, are we all part of capitalist, every man for himself, evolutionary minded societies here? Not saying that it's the same or on the same level, but I should think there would be more people who saw it this way.
Splitting the pot dampens the competitive nature of the game. You agreed to the terms beforehand, why change them when you get to the SB unless you are scared? That is the ONLY rational reason. No one has a crystal ball and knows they are going to lose. Worse teams beat better teams all the time. Regardless of your team, your odds are closer to 50/50 than 75/25 when it comes to ONE game. Own up to it, you're scared of your sister. And heck, I don't know about you but I would never want to admit being scared of my sister.
And it's not because of the extra money, but to me bragging rights alone means very little. I win a lot in leagues with no money. In fact, I'm a back to back champion in one league with no money with family. Does anyone care if they lose in those leagues? No, because they don't lose anything and pride in being good at FF and winning a virtual title is a very small thing when compared to real life accomplishments. The only way it becomes somewhat meaningful is when you put money behind it. Money makes things more competitive because it gives people something to lose. People hate losing something that is theirs be it 10 dollar or 1000 dollars. That's why people split, not to be "good sports" like you guys talk about. This isn't a humanitarian act here, people who play fantasy football aren't homeless, jobless, starving people who need the extra 100 to pay for their meals. People keep badmouthing people who wouldn't split but that's just the have-nots trying to get something from the haves; people hoping others would split the pot with them.
And it's not bad to be competitive when it comes to fantasy football. I can't believe people here are saying it's wrong to take fantasy football too seriously. Are you crazy? Yeah, it's wrong to take fantasy football so seriously you lose your job but at the same time not wanting to split and keeping your winnings is not taking it too seriously. It's part of the game... There are winners and there are losers and competition is what makes fantasy football fun. Seriously, are we all part of capitalist, every man for himself, evolutionary minded societies here? Not saying that it's the same or on the same level, but I should think there would be more people who saw it this way.
Splitting the pot dampens the competitive nature of the game. You agreed to the terms beforehand, why change them when you get to the SB unless you are scared? That is the ONLY rational reason. No one has a crystal ball and knows they are going to lose. Worse teams beat better teams all the time. Regardless of your team, your odds are closer to 50/50 than 75/25 when it comes to ONE game. Own up to it, you're scared of your sister. And heck, I don't know about you but I would never want to admit being scared of my sister.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
In those type of leagues that want to split it should be put into the league rules.Rule aa-23 The two teams that are competing for the League Title will split the fist and second place monies regardless of who wins.CaptainTapp
Footballguy
You are a complete ######.
OK they censored that so let me put it this way.
You = (V)
Lol that makes no sense but basically I'm calling you another word for female genitalia. You can say I'm being "overly macho" or whatever but seriously dude, why are you taking part in a competitive activity, did all this work the whole season long, just to #### out in the championship game because you "think" you might lose to your sister? Go for it all man, thats the whole point of the competition! I know it isn't real football but at least pretend you have a backbone. Jeeeeeze.
And honestly if you were dumb enough not to pick up a decent backup QB for the championship, knowing that Peyton Manning almost ALWAYS rests the last couple weeks, you deserve second place money anyway. That's it.
OK they censored that so let me put it this way.
You = (V)
Lol that makes no sense but basically I'm calling you another word for female genitalia. You can say I'm being "overly macho" or whatever but seriously dude, why are you taking part in a competitive activity, did all this work the whole season long, just to #### out in the championship game because you "think" you might lose to your sister? Go for it all man, thats the whole point of the competition! I know it isn't real football but at least pretend you have a backbone. Jeeeeeze.
And honestly if you were dumb enough not to pick up a decent backup QB for the championship, knowing that Peyton Manning almost ALWAYS rests the last couple weeks, you deserve second place money anyway. That's it.
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There's nothing wrong with it in principle, IMO. If you and your opponent both want to chop (for whatever percentages you agree on -- it doesn't have to be 50-50), that's cool. If one of you doesn't want to, that's certainly cool too.
In big money leagues, the difference between first and second can be sizable, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to avoid taking substantial risks. Some people like gambling for the sake of gambling, others don't -- either way is OK. There's no right or wrong about that kind of thing, I don't think.
The only pansy play is whining about it if your opponent doesn't want to chop and you do. You signed up for the league's payout structure at the outset, so you've got no right to complain about it if that's the payout structure your opponent wants to stick with.
In big money leagues, the difference between first and second can be sizable, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to avoid taking substantial risks. Some people like gambling for the sake of gambling, others don't -- either way is OK. There's no right or wrong about that kind of thing, I don't think.
The only pansy play is whining about it if your opponent doesn't want to chop and you do. You signed up for the league's payout structure at the outset, so you've got no right to complain about it if that's the payout structure your opponent wants to stick with.
Fragis Frodum
Footballguy
I'm not surprised it doesn't make sense to you, given your tenuous grasp on basic mathematics. He's guaranteed $500 now, whereas he'd get $335 for 2nd place ($165 less) or $665 for 1st ($165 more) had he not made the deal. That's a total of a $330 swing, yes, but as far as his pocket is concerned, it's +/-$165 given his $500 cash out.And again, if you're worried about the money so much, why play? It's like Pitt/AZ getting together before the Superbowl last January and saying, "Hey, why don't we agree to just evenly split the winners/losers shares to hedge the outcome of our game?"Looks like its $330 to me and he's still playing to win the game. You think that now that the money is even he's not going to set a lineup or something? Your points make no sense to me.
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
It flies in the face of competition. If you don't comprehend that, no biggie....
Chaka
Footballguy
Macho isn't the word that comes to mind.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Never split the pot before, but I am considering making my opponent an offer. League winner gets $3000, runner-up $1500. Not sure how comfortable I am with a $1500 bet riding on one weekend when I can enjoy my xmas holidays with family and $2250 gauranteed.
If the difference was less than $1500 I may feel differently. To answer the question, IMHO it's not pansy at all. Everyone has their own needs and desires. If you don't want teams to split pots, finish in the top 2. The poker analogy is spot on. I would go 60-40.
If the difference was less than $1500 I may feel differently. To answer the question, IMHO it's not pansy at all. Everyone has their own needs and desires. If you don't want teams to split pots, finish in the top 2. The poker analogy is spot on. I would go 60-40.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Um, I don't anyone is worried about this. Most are probably just, you know, responding to the OP who posted this as a poll.In any event, good luck this weekend.
And everybody, have a safe and happy holiday.
Chargers86
Footballguy
Wow...$3,000 dollar leagues? Our winner gets $150
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
1500 was the agreed payout for second. I would be very comfortable with that if I came in second.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
voted smart decision, but it is still lame. If this was a chop of a pot 10x more it would make more sense. defference for this lameness only 150 bucks either way. now if that was 1500 it'd make me wanna do it, but at 150 i'd rather lose and not deal with the ribbing (especially if u win, from here on out)
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
It doesnt fly in the face of competition because you have zero control over the outcome of the game. You set your lineup and hope for the best. Nobody is going to set less of a lineup because of a predetermined split.I'm not surprised it doesn't make sense to you, given your tenuous grasp on basic mathematics. He's guaranteed $500 now, whereas he'd get $335 for 2nd place ($165 less) or $665 for 1st ($165 more) had he not made the deal. That's a total of a $330 swing, yes, but as far as his pocket is concerned, it's +/-$165 given his $500 cash out.And again, if you're worried about the money so much, why play? It's like Pitt/AZ getting together before the Superbowl last January and saying, "Hey, why don't we agree to just evenly split the winners/losers shares to hedge the outcome of our game?"Looks like its $330 to me and he's still playing to win the game. You think that now that the money is even he's not going to set a lineup or something? Your points make no sense to me.
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
It flies in the face of competition. If you don't comprehend that, no biggie....
Chaka
Footballguy
Try not to judge too harshly. $150 may mean more to some than others.
i don't know... if people didn't notice already, poker and FF are very different. Poker is by nature a lot more competitive and intense because of the structure and reasons for playing. A lot of people who play poker use the money as supplemental income or main income. When you are counting on the money to pay for your bills or put food on the table then chopping it becomes a real consideration. Especially when you are playing very large multi-table tournaments when your chance of making it to the final table is very slim and your chance of winning it all is like winning the lottery. In those situations, with the amount of money won is so much larger than the amount you bought in, the huge amount of odds against you, and the top heavy payout structure chopping makes more sense. Especially since this happens in a lot shorter time frame than a 16-17 week FF schedule and you could lose thousands in a matter of a couple hours. Those swings are so much bigger and more sudden...I could see chopping in a large FF main event type tournament where you buy in for 1000 against 300 players for a chance to win 75000 in first and like 20,000 in second. Heck I think most people here could see that but when you are talking about a 10-14 person league where you have a pretty decent shot at making it to the playoffs each year and are 1 game away from taking it all then it is really just about fear. People don't win the superbowl very often but when you do and chop and then the next time you make it there and the guy won't chop and you finish in second place then you're SOL. Yeah, someone wins and loses when you don't chop but both people lose when you do chop.
Fragis Frodum
Footballguy
Bro, like I said, if you don't get it (the spirit of competition), you don't get it. Hopefully at least the math makes sense to you now.It doesnt fly in the face of competition because you have zero control over the outcome of the game. You set your lineup and hope for the best. Nobody is going to set less of a lineup because of a predetermined split.I'm not surprised it doesn't make sense to you, given your tenuous grasp on basic mathematics. He's guaranteed $500 now, whereas he'd get $335 for 2nd place ($165 less) or $665 for 1st ($165 more) had he not made the deal. That's a total of a $330 swing, yes, but as far as his pocket is concerned, it's +/-$165 given his $500 cash out.And again, if you're worried about the money so much, why play? It's like Pitt/AZ getting together before the Superbowl last January and saying, "Hey, why don't we agree to just evenly split the winners/losers shares to hedge the outcome of our game?"Looks like its $330 to me and he's still playing to win the game. You think that now that the money is even he's not going to set a lineup or something? Your points make no sense to me.
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
It flies in the face of competition. If you don't comprehend that, no biggie....
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I've never chopped it 50/50, but in one league, the prize structure was so out-of-whack (it may have been $25 entry, with $200 to the winner and $25 for second place or something like that) I offered to double second place just so the winner got something for his effort, as it was prior, it was just the entry fee back.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I wouldn't split...but that's just because I look at it like this:
I pay for an amusement park so i can have fun...so even if I get nothing, I don't feel too bad.
However, I'm in the championship...so I'm guaranteed to get back more than I put in. If that's true with you also...guaranteed profit...then I'm not splitting.
Our payout is 135 + 30% transaction fees
225 + 70% of fees.
It's a pretty sizable difference...but last year I came in second, and was the highest transaction payer, and came out like 200 bucks ahead.
Once you're guaranteed to make money, you may as well hope for the best and go for the big prize
I pay for an amusement park so i can have fun...so even if I get nothing, I don't feel too bad.
However, I'm in the championship...so I'm guaranteed to get back more than I put in. If that's true with you also...guaranteed profit...then I'm not splitting.
Our payout is 135 + 30% transaction fees
225 + 70% of fees.
It's a pretty sizable difference...but last year I came in second, and was the highest transaction payer, and came out like 200 bucks ahead.
Once you're guaranteed to make money, you may as well hope for the best and go for the big prize
The other guy in my superbowl proposed a chop and I accepted. I HAD the best team the whole year until the last few weeks. I won my 2 playoff rounds by a total of less than 3 points. While my team could certainly rebound and has great matchups, nothing is certain. Even though the money will be chopped make no mistake about it, we both wanna win in the worst kind of way. It is not about the money, rather bragging rights and the trophy.
I have a feeling he is in need of cash and is worried about losing out so I agreed. I have offered chops 4 times in basketball bracket contests and only one time has the other guy accepted. The other 3 times I ended up winning the bracket and the opponent got zero. Karma is a ##### ;-)
I have a feeling he is in need of cash and is worried about losing out so I agreed. I have offered chops 4 times in basketball bracket contests and only one time has the other guy accepted. The other 3 times I ended up winning the bracket and the opponent got zero. Karma is a ##### ;-)
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
Awesome.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
I haven't read the thread, but I play for the titles and not the money. Any winnings are a side dish, but the title is the main course so I would never compromise the pot before the title game.
To each their own. I'm doing basically the same thing but we're not splitting it right down the middle but just evening out the payouts a little more. Winner still gets the lion's share, just a little less of it. The guy I'm playing is a good friend who needs the money a little more than I do right now as well. He has a good team and could easily beat me this week. This just reduces the stress a little over the holidays and guarantees me a bit more cash.
And since he had Rivers last night, I'm feeling ok about the decision right now.
And since he had Rivers last night, I'm feeling ok about the decision right now.
Max Fischer
Footballguy
We kicked two guys out of our league a couple of years back for this. It's the kind of thing that can ruin a league.
Wow I'm on a different planet I guess. How can that ruin a league?FWIW I offered a 60/40 split and the guy rejected it. We're playing for all the marbles this weekend.
Black&Gold
Footballguy
I just can't understand why you would degrade yourself to asking someone to do this. I agree the championship is great, but I like to win the big pot as well. (Well big to me 
). If you are that hard up for $, don't play in money leagues. There are free leagues out there. You don't play with anything more than you are willing to lose. I understand there are exceptions if someone has an unexpected hardship but c'mon, chopping the pot is as big of a "pansy" move that I can think of. There are big money leagues where there are $5000 entry fees. I don't play in them because I don't want to lose that much. I commish two leagues, and while I can't say that it is unethical, it would be frowned upong by the entire league and be ridiculed forever. I wouldn't do it either, it would have to be between the two involved. I still can't fathom asking my sister to do this.
). If you are that hard up for $, don't play in money leagues. There are free leagues out there. You don't play with anything more than you are willing to lose. I understand there are exceptions if someone has an unexpected hardship but c'mon, chopping the pot is as big of a "pansy" move that I can think of. There are big money leagues where there are $5000 entry fees. I don't play in them because I don't want to lose that much. I commish two leagues, and while I can't say that it is unethical, it would be frowned upong by the entire league and be ridiculed forever. I wouldn't do it either, it would have to be between the two involved. I still can't fathom asking my sister to do this. 
AcerFC
Footballguy
I am not surprised how many people are not interested in a pot chop but I am surprised at how many think it is the worst thing in the world
Why does some people not caring about the money have any impact on you.
I have already said that I am playing my brother in law this week and we chopped. May not have done so if it was not a family member. I have already won high score 4 times, made the playoffs and won the breakdown title (all which pays out). I am not sure how playing for an extra $300 will ruin the league like Max suggested. This was not decided before this week. We did not make deals under the table to get us to this point. I look at it as splitting money with a family member.
dont see how it ruins the league or integrity of it at all.
I would have been interested in 2 things based on peoples answers
1. are you in a league with friends/family or against people you dont know. I would never ask for or want a chop in a league where I didnt know anyone
2. what are the stakes. Are we talking a few hundred or a few thousand dollars
Maybe I am lucky and have the luxury of not needing the money and that allows me to have a different perspective. (I dont want that to come off the wrong way. I could use and would love to have the extra $300 but at the end of the day, I dont really need it. It would be extra to buy my kids something with. AND they will probably get that stuff anyway)
Why does some people not caring about the money have any impact on you.
I have already said that I am playing my brother in law this week and we chopped. May not have done so if it was not a family member. I have already won high score 4 times, made the playoffs and won the breakdown title (all which pays out). I am not sure how playing for an extra $300 will ruin the league like Max suggested. This was not decided before this week. We did not make deals under the table to get us to this point. I look at it as splitting money with a family member.
dont see how it ruins the league or integrity of it at all.
I would have been interested in 2 things based on peoples answers
1. are you in a league with friends/family or against people you dont know. I would never ask for or want a chop in a league where I didnt know anyone
2. what are the stakes. Are we talking a few hundred or a few thousand dollars
Maybe I am lucky and have the luxury of not needing the money and that allows me to have a different perspective. (I dont want that to come off the wrong way. I could use and would love to have the extra $300 but at the end of the day, I dont really need it. It would be extra to buy my kids something with. AND they will probably get that stuff anyway)
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
FF players who are concerned about money should just be playing in Yahoo fun leagues.
I play in a Yahoo "work/fun" league. Everyone wants to win just as bad for the title, you get the fun but don`t have to worry about the money.
I play in a Yahoo "work/fun" league. Everyone wants to win just as bad for the title, you get the fun but don`t have to worry about the money.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
FF players who are concerned about money should just be playing in Yahoo fun leagues.
I play in a Yahoo "work/fun" league. Everyone wants to win just as bad for the title, you get the fun but don`t have to worry about the money.
I play in a Yahoo "work/fun" league. Everyone wants to win just as bad for the title, you get the fun but don`t have to worry about the money.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's both lame and smart.
Yes it's the 'smart' move for you, but changing rules on a whim in any league in any bet/game/sport is never a good move on several levels.
Yes it's the 'smart' move for you, but changing rules on a whim in any league in any bet/game/sport is never a good move on several levels.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I think I'm going to propose this with the other guy in my free league.
Yes, it is completely hopeless to try to enforce a rule against it. It'd be like having a rule against secretly hoping that your opponent's fantasy QB gets injured, or a rule against using any of your FF winnings to buy movie tickets.How would anybody know? And besides, what business of anybody's is it?
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I'm just amused that people label it a "pansy move" and the owner should "man up" and play...when we're talking about pretend football. That's like telling someone to "grow a pair" and send their 50th level paladin to fight that dragon. Chopping a pot is just as manly as not chopping it. It's an imaginary team comparing numbers with another imaginary team. There's no cool way to play it, so do whatever makes you happy.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
TxBuckeye said:LMAO at "pansy" and "play the game." It's FF fellas. It isn't like he's putting on pads and going out smacking people around. Sounds like a bunch of Al Bundy HS football wannabees in here.
Each guy is still putting out a team to try and win. Just hedging their bets to make some extra cash. We as owners do not control anything on the field, so if you star gets hurt, at least you are getting some extra cash out of it.Chopping the money is no big deal, it's the title that counts.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
You guys are cracking me up here.Keep it up, good stuff.Summer Wheat said:tigerz said:
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
For the record I never have offered or have been offered to chop in FF. I think it's hilarious reading all these macho clowns who think chopping is the worst thing in the world and are actually ripping on people for doing so.
It really is making me laugh out loud here. Funny funny stuff.
It really is making me laugh out loud here. Funny funny stuff.
