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Chris Brown - any indication he'll start this week? (1 Viewer)
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strong
Footballguy
There appear to be elements of White's game that the coaching staff really likes (or are hoping develop soon). I get the impression that his leash is a little longer than people think... It seems to me that the staff views White as having the potential to be a perfect compliment to Young and it appears they may be willing to give White the carries/starts to see if it develops... I don't think they feel the same way about Brown's future... So I think White starts again. Brown will get carries but White's performance will determine how soon and how many. If White is busting the speedy Colts in the teeth like the coaching staff hopes, then I wouldn't be surprised if Brown only got 5-8 carries.cstu said:
We hear an awful lot in fantasy world about selling high and buying low. If Brown is really not in the long term plans for the Titans, wouldn't this be a perfect time for them to start shopping him around the league? I'm sure his value has risen lately in NFL terms. Wouldn't the same sell high mentality work here. I know some teams would be hesitant due to his injury history, but come on the dude can play when healthy. He was a beast at CU.Reading the above post just got me thinking, thats all!
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Doesn't matter if he "starts", it's if he finishes. And if he finishes with a buck 75 as a backup, give me the backup every day of the week.The perfect compliment to Young is a RB who can bust long runs through the big holes he creates. The problem with White is that he can't bust the big runs.In a perfect world they would like White to be their RB, but the Titans coaches aren't going to sacrifice wins in order for their 2nd round draft pick to pan out. It isn't like they have much invested in him.
I actually think you'll see White get less and less % of the carries as long as Brown can stay healthy. Brown gives them the home run ability that White lacks.
Banger
Footballguy
That's exactly how I feel. Brown has outplayed White in the preseason and the 1st regular seaons game but it seems that Fish wants White to be the man. I think as the games go on and if Brown continues to outplay him he'll get the lionshare of carries.
DoubleG
Footballguy
FYP.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
how many 175 yard games has brown had before?
did he become a great RB all of a sudden...
he did show nice burst & elusiveness, but he was also running through some gaping holes and there were a lot of bad angles & missed tackles by JAX...
when the rushing yards are tougher to come by, white may have more of a chance to shine relative to brown...
did he become a great RB all of a sudden...
he did show nice burst & elusiveness, but he was also running through some gaping holes and there were a lot of bad angles & missed tackles by JAX...
when the rushing yards are tougher to come by, white may have more of a chance to shine relative to brown...
On the flip side of that how many 175 yard rushers did Jax give up last year? Brown has always been a pretty decent back just could not stay healthy.
laughinboy_2000
Footballguy
Damn
I don't see Brown sniffing 75 yards this week. He may outproduce White in yards this week, but White will be the one to find the endzone.
nygiants56
Footballguy
the same gaping holes that limited White to just 66 yards and a 3.7 per carry avg??!
this was the highly rated Jags rush defense, right, the same defense that was on everyone's top 10 DEF list?just checking..Brown had a great game..will he do it again? who knows..but LenDale White has shown nothing since turning pro to make you think or believe that he will be anything more than a backup/situational RB...he's averaging less than 4.0 per carry thus far in his brief NFL career..
titans play the colts,N.o, atl, TB,houston,Oak over the next 6 weeks. the highlighted games are against the NFL's worst rushing defenses, so I'd expect the Titans to see the same 'gaping holes' you speak of, over the next 6 weeks of the season..they finish during fantasy playoff weeks, with KC and jets in weeks 15/16...
the theory is that if Brown runs well against the Jags, he'll run well against anyone..if he stays healthy, a big 'if', he has a chance to pile up some yardage this season!
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Banger
Footballguy
how many has White had? How many 70 yard games has White had? 0, how many 50+ yard games? 1 - last week. He didn't all the sudden become a great RB but all he needs to be is better than White which he has been through preseason and the first game of the regular season. I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 back (at least I'm not) but a starter with 20 carries/week and 4+ ypc with some td's sprinkled in would be a nice return for a 10+ round pick.As others have pointed out White was running against the exact same defense and Brown was running for 9-12 yards a clip, then White came in and wasn't nearly as effective.
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towney
Footballguy
Maybe not all of a sudden but have you seen this guy lately. He is a rock compared to Fatdale, Chris Brown had an extreme conditioning/work out program over the off season. So with a better conditioned body should equal less injury prone tag.
I never thought i'd reply like this to one of your posts, butthe same gaping holes that limited White to just 66 yards and a 3.7 per carry avg??!this was the highly rated Jags rush defense, right, the same defense that was on everyone's top 10 DEF list?just checking..
Brown had a great game..will he do it again? who knows..but LenDale White has shown nothing since turning pro to make you think or believe that he will be anything more than a backup/situational RB...he's averaging less than 4.0 per carry thus far in his brief NFL career..
titans play the colts,N.o, atl, TB,houston,Oak over the next 6 weeks. the highlighted games are against the NFL's worst rushing defenses, so I'd expect the Titans to see the same 'gaping holes' you speak of, over the next 6 weeks of the season..they finish during fantasy playoff weeks, with KC and jets in weeks 15/16...
the theory is that if Brown runs well against the Jags, he'll run well against anyone..if he stays healthy, a big 'if', he has a chance to pile up some yardage this season!
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
it was not my intent to say that chris brown is a terrible RB who got lucky, or that white is the second coming of jim brown...
i just think that some people read too much into one week...
lets revisit this conversation in a month... or two...
brown looked very good, i just don't expect him to have a lot more games like that... not this year in TEN (maybe if he was starting in DEN & stayed healthy long term... & they didn't already have travis henry)...
to give credit where credit is due, brown is playing with a chip on his shoulder & was probably running angry, since he didn't the get the interest in free agency he was certainly hoping for... he has the motivation of playing for a contract, and if he can manage to avoid the nicks that slowed him in the past (or manage to play hurt better than in the past), he could be in store for a very good season...
the titans had a great rushing attack last year with travis henry... that is in part fuelled by the chaos VY causes, but at some point it needs to be acknowledged that the titans have put together a great run blocking OL... this will benefit white as well as brown...
if fisher continues to start white over brown, that suggests that fisher sees things in white that others are missing... & also possibly that he knows brown's capabilities & isn't convinced the JAX game wasn't an aberration...
on the main points i made...
1 - i don't expect brown to have 175 yard games with regularity
2 - was his admittedly awesome production due to a sudden & inexplicable quantum leap in ability, or due to JAX still being in pre-season mode... does a great game mean that he is not the same RB that received little interest in the off-season, or is he somehow a DIFFERENT back than before (i concede that playing for a contract & running angry could make him different to a degree, but not in kind)
3 - white is a big physical runner, who might close the gap on rushing numbers with brown in contests where the holes aren't as big, & breaking tackles are more at a premium... again i'll give credit where credit is due (unlike white bashers)... brown is obviously faster than white, & he was able to better exploit the gaping holes & shoddy tackling of JAX... imo, last week wasn't very representative of what they will face week in & week out the rest of the way...
4 - i should also add that if the point some others were making is that brown will take control of starting job soon & white will be relegated to an ever diminishing role, it is way too early to assume that...
i'll stand by those points...
as much as i might seem to be missing the boat on brown's potential, i could say the same about white detractors... the most vocal ones probably didn't expect him to win the starting job, or be effective in a RBBC role, & they seem to be wrong about that development, so keep on doubting...
brown's numbers were impressive, & ordinarily it would be even more impressive to say they came against traditionally stout JAX... BUT, jags didn't play like they have in recent years... jags insiders have said that stroud & hendo, the formerly consensus top DT duo in NFL, may never be the same again... ditto for DE hayward... pro bowl caliber MLB peterson is returning from ACL injury... the deep secondary was gutted, & one starter, sammy knight, is well past his prime, & while first rounder reggie nelson looked good in stat column, he was making a lot of tackles downfield, & isn't a downhill thumper like the released donovin darius...
the colts were mentioned as an upcoming poor defense... they were dead last against the run in '06, but clearly the colts are a much different team with bob sanders (of course he needs to say healthy... a BIG if)... new starters freddy keiaho, marlin jackson & kelvin hayden all look like upgrades... they SMOKED NO, the #1 offense in the NFL last season, & they played fast, under control & swarmed to the ball all night... i could break down some of the other opponents as well, but this was the most obvious example i'd take exception to...
(edit/add - HOU is another team that has a chance to be vastly improved, with a developing mario williams & the addition of amobi akoye)...
power rushing attacks have been known to wear down the undersized colts unit, & that is the kind of situation where white's size & power would seem to be tailor made... IF the TEN defense can keep it close where titans aren't forced to abandon run early... but that would hurt brown as well...
not a brown hater... just trying to dispel what i see as some white hate... & whatever people think of its presence in this thread, there can be no doubt that there has been a lot of that going around on these boards for a while, & imo many have missed the fact that white closed the pre-season strong to earn the starting job... i personally won't be throwing that fact out after just one regular season game...
* i would also add, in the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, & attempting a balanced appraisal, i was trying to counter the point that brown is so awesome he will quickly relegate white to a non-factor... i don't think that is warranted... but i could have done a better job of pointing out that while brown's week 1 effort may prove hard to replicate, & a bit of an aberration due to JAX's awful showing, if he continues to run as hard & as well as he did sunday, the converse is true as well, & that would make it unlikely white relegates brown to being a non-factor... they very well could BOTH play key roles in a RBBC all season... if white gets 250+ carries this season at 4.0 yards a pop, i could see both RBs crossing the 1,000 yard threshold this season, & that can only be good for titans fans...
not sure if we know enough yet, but i think if TEN can continue to move the ball like they have ever since VY was inserted into starting lineup, there will be plenty of red zone & goal line ups, & with white being a more physical runner, he could get his share of rushing TDs (those that young doesn't snake)...
i also have a questioon for titans homers (meant in positive sense of close observers)... if true that fisher sees something in white that others don't & likes him as starter... BASED ON HIS PAST, does fisher seem like a HC with the courage of his convictions, or in past has he been wishy washy & flip flopped his decisions on starters from week to week?
i just think that some people read too much into one week...
lets revisit this conversation in a month... or two...
brown looked very good, i just don't expect him to have a lot more games like that... not this year in TEN (maybe if he was starting in DEN & stayed healthy long term... & they didn't already have travis henry)...
to give credit where credit is due, brown is playing with a chip on his shoulder & was probably running angry, since he didn't the get the interest in free agency he was certainly hoping for... he has the motivation of playing for a contract, and if he can manage to avoid the nicks that slowed him in the past (or manage to play hurt better than in the past), he could be in store for a very good season...
the titans had a great rushing attack last year with travis henry... that is in part fuelled by the chaos VY causes, but at some point it needs to be acknowledged that the titans have put together a great run blocking OL... this will benefit white as well as brown...
if fisher continues to start white over brown, that suggests that fisher sees things in white that others are missing... & also possibly that he knows brown's capabilities & isn't convinced the JAX game wasn't an aberration...
on the main points i made...
1 - i don't expect brown to have 175 yard games with regularity
2 - was his admittedly awesome production due to a sudden & inexplicable quantum leap in ability, or due to JAX still being in pre-season mode... does a great game mean that he is not the same RB that received little interest in the off-season, or is he somehow a DIFFERENT back than before (i concede that playing for a contract & running angry could make him different to a degree, but not in kind)
3 - white is a big physical runner, who might close the gap on rushing numbers with brown in contests where the holes aren't as big, & breaking tackles are more at a premium... again i'll give credit where credit is due (unlike white bashers)... brown is obviously faster than white, & he was able to better exploit the gaping holes & shoddy tackling of JAX... imo, last week wasn't very representative of what they will face week in & week out the rest of the way...
4 - i should also add that if the point some others were making is that brown will take control of starting job soon & white will be relegated to an ever diminishing role, it is way too early to assume that...
i'll stand by those points...
as much as i might seem to be missing the boat on brown's potential, i could say the same about white detractors... the most vocal ones probably didn't expect him to win the starting job, or be effective in a RBBC role, & they seem to be wrong about that development, so keep on doubting...
brown's numbers were impressive, & ordinarily it would be even more impressive to say they came against traditionally stout JAX... BUT, jags didn't play like they have in recent years... jags insiders have said that stroud & hendo, the formerly consensus top DT duo in NFL, may never be the same again... ditto for DE hayward... pro bowl caliber MLB peterson is returning from ACL injury... the deep secondary was gutted, & one starter, sammy knight, is well past his prime, & while first rounder reggie nelson looked good in stat column, he was making a lot of tackles downfield, & isn't a downhill thumper like the released donovin darius...
the colts were mentioned as an upcoming poor defense... they were dead last against the run in '06, but clearly the colts are a much different team with bob sanders (of course he needs to say healthy... a BIG if)... new starters freddy keiaho, marlin jackson & kelvin hayden all look like upgrades... they SMOKED NO, the #1 offense in the NFL last season, & they played fast, under control & swarmed to the ball all night... i could break down some of the other opponents as well, but this was the most obvious example i'd take exception to...
(edit/add - HOU is another team that has a chance to be vastly improved, with a developing mario williams & the addition of amobi akoye)...
power rushing attacks have been known to wear down the undersized colts unit, & that is the kind of situation where white's size & power would seem to be tailor made... IF the TEN defense can keep it close where titans aren't forced to abandon run early... but that would hurt brown as well...
not a brown hater... just trying to dispel what i see as some white hate... & whatever people think of its presence in this thread, there can be no doubt that there has been a lot of that going around on these boards for a while, & imo many have missed the fact that white closed the pre-season strong to earn the starting job... i personally won't be throwing that fact out after just one regular season game...
* i would also add, in the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, & attempting a balanced appraisal, i was trying to counter the point that brown is so awesome he will quickly relegate white to a non-factor... i don't think that is warranted... but i could have done a better job of pointing out that while brown's week 1 effort may prove hard to replicate, & a bit of an aberration due to JAX's awful showing, if he continues to run as hard & as well as he did sunday, the converse is true as well, & that would make it unlikely white relegates brown to being a non-factor... they very well could BOTH play key roles in a RBBC all season... if white gets 250+ carries this season at 4.0 yards a pop, i could see both RBs crossing the 1,000 yard threshold this season, & that can only be good for titans fans...
not sure if we know enough yet, but i think if TEN can continue to move the ball like they have ever since VY was inserted into starting lineup, there will be plenty of red zone & goal line ups, & with white being a more physical runner, he could get his share of rushing TDs (those that young doesn't snake)...
i also have a questioon for titans homers (meant in positive sense of close observers)... if true that fisher sees something in white that others don't & likes him as starter... BASED ON HIS PAST, does fisher seem like a HC with the courage of his convictions, or in past has he been wishy washy & flip flopped his decisions on starters from week to week?
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Dave Stauff
Footballguy
Back to the original question . . . has anyone heard who's going to get the start this week? For those of us with both Brown and White on their roster, this information may help in determining who we're going to start ourselves.
kensat30
Footballguy
People forget that Chris Brown started his career much like Cadillac Williams by ripping off some big games right out the gate. But then he got injured and it was all history. Same type of thing is playing out again.
Chris Brown = very good RB when healthy (top10 in league)
Chris Brown = destined to get injured
Chris Brown = very good RB when healthy (top10 in league)
Chris Brown = destined to get injured
redman
Footballguy
I essentially equate Chris Brown with the Donovan McNabb of the last few years. When healthy, they're dominant and a fantasy force. Their points per game are off the charts. The problem is their injury risk.
If you're going to trade with an eye to managing injury risk, you wait few more games, during which time I believe Brown will put up more good numbers, at which time you trade him for a more proven or safer RB commodity, or if you drafted him low enough for a good player at another position.
If you're going to trade with an eye to managing injury risk, you wait few more games, during which time I believe Brown will put up more good numbers, at which time you trade him for a more proven or safer RB commodity, or if you drafted him low enough for a good player at another position.
Whoever lines up at RB for the Titans is in a great situation to produce due to the strong O-line and defensive focus on Vince Young. Brown has had a dominant stretch before so he can do it but he's going to need to be more than 50% of a RBBC to crack the top 10, especially when he plays with a QB who will steal so many TD's. I read a comment by Fisher a few days ago were he said he would like to get the split to 60/40. This team is going to run all day but if they dole out 30 carries per game to the RB's and Brown gets 60% of those than I think he could put up topo 10 rushing totals on 18 carries a game as I think his YPC would be extremely high. However, for him to be a top 10 fantasy back he's going to either need to get more than 60% of the carries or start getting the money touches-the goal line carries that could be tough to get. Of course I'd be shocked if both White and Brown both remained healthy so chances are one of these two is going to be the sole beneficiary of a great system before long.
This is my plan!!! i am planning to package him with someone els and get a Stud. 
cstu
Footballguy
In dynasty leagues you'll have a hard time getting much for him since he's expected to get injured. I'm just planning to ride him as long as I can. FWIW, I've liked the guy since he was a rookie and he's running like he did in 2005. I really don't know what to think of Lendale and I find it surprising that he hasn't made more of an impact given his talent, but he looks like a totally different back from the one I watched at USC.
Rev
Footballguy
Correct. Neither has proven to be durable. And actually, White has proven less in that regard.
redman
Footballguy
People forget but this is a contract year for Brown, who resigned with Tennessee for just this season. He's auditioning, and he's gotten a second chance after last year's invisible man act. The strange thing is, if he continues to light it up, might he get an extension with Tennessee and supplant White as the primary RB going forward into next year and beyond?In dynasty leagues you'll have a hard time getting much for him since he's expected to get injured. I'm just planning to ride him as long as I can. FWIW, I've liked the guy since he was a rookie and he's running like he did in 2005. I really don't know what to think of Lendale and I find it surprising that he hasn't made more of an impact given his talent, but he looks like a totally different back from the one I watched at USC.
bigupsetter
Footballguy
I actually think White helps Brown. Brown looked great in the second half, after posting near identical stats to White in the first half- and they had similar number of touches in the second and that's when Brown really cranked it up. I think the White-Brown combo, with the additional threat of VY leg's, running behind a very good o-line, could be very productive.
strong
Footballguy
Of course any team likes big runs but I don't agree with your statement. Whatever RB that lines up with Young will be in the fortunate situation of having LBs spread out wide which will help with runs up the middle.
But I think the Titans staff would be completely happy with a 4-5 yards and a cloud of dust guy to set up a steady dose of 2nd and 5s and 3rd and shorts where Young becomes even more dangerous.
RoosterScott
Footballguy
LenDale still atop the depth chart! 
Chumpson
Footballguy
This seems to be the team to take over what Atlanta was last year. Two good RBs who could both do well in their system due to the QB running threat. Brown seems like the Norwood due to being faster and able to break off longer runs at any moment. I think they both continue to split carries because it is best for their NFL Team, not your/my fantasy squad. I am actually thinking of playing them both this week and hoping to get 20 combined out of them, I really don't care the breakdown.
