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Chris Cooley (1 Viewer)
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Superbowl Shuffle
Footballguy
Was he ever a top 5 TE?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
hellll no. i thought cooley was one of the easiest players to spot as a guy to avoid with all the weapons WAS added in the off-season.Was he ever a top 5 TE?
BrentBlack
Footballguy
He's still top 10 in targets. With Portis back, I think he'll be fine.
redman
Footballguy
It took Saunders three weeks to figure out that the team needs to run first, then pass, and not the other way around. It of course helped to have Portis back and also to be playing the Texans, but I think they're working through an adjustment period with Saunders and his scheme.
Cooley will start showing up in the stat line soon enough. There are few NFL offensive play-callers with better histories of feeding passes to TE's than Al Saunders.
Cooley will start showing up in the stat line soon enough. There are few NFL offensive play-callers with better histories of feeding passes to TE's than Al Saunders.
Kiddnets
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buck naked
Footballguy
Let's not forget that its TONY GONZALEZ you are likely referring to, who is only one of the best and athletic TE's to ever play the game. Chris Cooley is not the same caliber athlete. So, it remains to be seen whether Cooley will produced anything like Gonzalez did under Saunders.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Thank God. I was close to the ledge.
walkwithme
Footballguy
Cooley was the TE I was trying to avoid in my draft as a 1st TE. I almost laughed when he was selected as the 4th TE. I mean the Redskins run a lot of 3 Wr sets and he has his chances but he clearly was due for a slight decline for stats. As was Santana Moss but that is another topic
Milwalkeysbeast
Footballguy
it's easy to look back after 4 weeks and say, "I told you so", or "I had him targeted as a guy to avoid". Everyone in this thread who say Cooley won't do anything this year will be proved wrong over the next few weeks. I picked him up from waivers when someone DROPPED! him for Eric Johnson. I also had a bid in for Johnson, but was outbid. I was happy to take Cooley in place of him.
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You mean like in 2005 when he was #4?Was he ever a top 5 TE?
You mean like in 2005 when he was #4?Was he ever a top 5 TE?
nygiants56
Footballguy
I think Cooley is one of the best buy low candidates right now...
seems Gibbs is getting off to a slow start in each of his first couple of years back with Washington..Last year they started slowly, and turned on the afterburners towards the end... This year, it appears to be the same thing is happening..remember, Brunell played sparingly in preseason, he's just now getting in sync..add to that, the fact that Portis was out the past few weeks,and most or preseason,and you can see why the offense has struggled..
I'd bet Gibbs gets things going , in a hurry..
seems Gibbs is getting off to a slow start in each of his first couple of years back with Washington..Last year they started slowly, and turned on the afterburners towards the end... This year, it appears to be the same thing is happening..remember, Brunell played sparingly in preseason, he's just now getting in sync..add to that, the fact that Portis was out the past few weeks,and most or preseason,and you can see why the offense has struggled..
I'd bet Gibbs gets things going , in a hurry..
redman
Footballguy
While I wouldn't say that it's "normal" for Gibbs teams to start slowly - certainly not this slowly - it's absolutely an accurate statement to say that they typically are not playing their best ball until November-December.They're breaking in a new offense, and arguably their best and most valuable offensive player, Portis, has been limited by his shoulder. These things should improve as time goes on.
If you do a search I was one who had Cooley's catches reduced this year from last year (I think I had him around 56 or so) simply because there were more options in this offense than last year. I stand by that.
Yes, he does or at least can go in spurts. Some of that is due to Gibbs only belatedly figuring out in 2004 that he had a very good receiver on his hands; he also had that monster game against Dallas last year. I would definitely suggest that he's a good buy-low candidate, and probably the best one on the 'Skins roster. He really can only go up from where he is now.
Eric Johnson did more in 1/2 a game last week fantasy-wise than Cooley has done all season so far. Alex Smith in TB is starting to make a difference. At this point, Cooley is just taking up space. I'd rather wait on RBs and WRs with those slots than hold backup TEs in an offense that clearly doesn't look as pass happy as last year.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
The Redskins brought in not one, but two high paid free-agent pass catchers.
Of course his numbers will drop.
Of course his numbers will drop.
Rovers
Footballguy
Don't you think this is a bit of an over-simplification? Does it really matter who lines up at WR that much in an offensive system that targets the TE often? I don't think Saunders is sitting there saying "Gee, better throw to the WR's more now." As Saunders said, he's been keeping the TE in to block to try to establish a running game. I don't think there is any "of course" involved here at all.Idiot Boxer said:
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No. He'll design plays that go to his most talented players. If his TE were his most talented player, he'd design plays to him. As is, his TE is the 5th best receiving threat on the team.
kevthegrad
Footballguy
Bubba the Love Sponte on Sirius said Cooley shocked the ####. Weird.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Moss, Randel El.. Not sure about Lloyd... who's the 4th? Please don't say Portis...
Rovers
Footballguy
So.... Cooley will only be involved in the offense when the Redskins run a 4 WR set? I guess you missed the part where it was reported he's getting a fair number of targets despite being kept in to block very often. Your logic... isn't logical. You seem to think Cooley is no longer any sort of viable threat as a reciver. That is well.... it seems a silly notion to me.
walkwithme
Footballguy
Those that drafted one tightend are scrabling to find a replacement for him depending on what type of league you are in, you might find a replacement. He will most likely put up respectable numbers but will you be one of the owners playing him when he does or will he be on your bench getting those points. Like I said earlier he was picked in the draft that I was in as the 4th TE overall and I think he was picked too high. He had a couple warning sides that led me to stay away from him 2 higher profile free agents WRs signed, an aging QB that is a couple bad hits from being out of the league the backups are questionable to say the least, a coach that likes to run the ball and a top 5 rusher. This team is not the Rams of old nor are they the Colts so I felt they were probably not going to be enough touches to go around.
Rovers
Footballguy
Through 3 weeks last year, Cooley had 9 for 115 and no TD's. This year after 3 weeks, he's 7 for 38 and no TD's.
Cooley had a 3 TD game last year, which really boosted his yearly fantasy numbers. Most people, myself included did expect him to have a bigger role in the offense this year as a more traditional TE as opposed to the HB position he often filled last year. That hasn't happened yet, but I still think he will become more involved in the Skin's offense as the season progresses. The imporant thing is that his targets are close to what they were last year on a target per game basis.
Any decent OC will increase the involvment of the TE when a mismatch presents itself. Cooley isn't, and hasn't been a steady scoring TE, and I think this is the reason why. He'll have some big games, but will often disappoint those that are looking for consistant scoring from him. If only we had access to offensive game plans....
Cooley had a 3 TD game last year, which really boosted his yearly fantasy numbers. Most people, myself included did expect him to have a bigger role in the offense this year as a more traditional TE as opposed to the HB position he often filled last year. That hasn't happened yet, but I still think he will become more involved in the Skin's offense as the season progresses. The imporant thing is that his targets are close to what they were last year on a target per game basis.
Any decent OC will increase the involvment of the TE when a mismatch presents itself. Cooley isn't, and hasn't been a steady scoring TE, and I think this is the reason why. He'll have some big games, but will often disappoint those that are looking for consistant scoring from him. If only we had access to offensive game plans....
pghrob
Footballguy
Cooley seems to have become a bigger part of the Redskin offense these past 3 games. He has found paydirt in all of them. Also looks like Santana Moss may be returning this week. This coincides with Joe Gibbs coming out this week and proclaiming COoley as being an integral part of their game plan.
Is this coach speak, or will Cooley sustain his recent level of production?
Remaining schedule is v. what would be considered weak to mid line defenses:
@ Phil
@TB
Car
Atl
Phil
@NO
@SL
NYG
With Brunnel at QB, all Wash rec.'s take a hit in consistency. Al Saunders knows the benefit of having a good down field TE (ala Gonzo). So all indications are that Cooley could approach top 5 TE for the remainder of the season. He is currently tied for 9th in my league with 46 points, with 8, 12, 12 points the last 3 games. My guess is he falls just short of top 5 production but should remain a weekly start here on out. Certainly meeting level of expectation if he was drafted at or after round 10.
Is this coach speak, or will Cooley sustain his recent level of production?
Remaining schedule is v. what would be considered weak to mid line defenses:
@ Phil
@TB
Car
Atl
Phil
@NO
@SL
NYG
With Brunnel at QB, all Wash rec.'s take a hit in consistency. Al Saunders knows the benefit of having a good down field TE (ala Gonzo). So all indications are that Cooley could approach top 5 TE for the remainder of the season. He is currently tied for 9th in my league with 46 points, with 8, 12, 12 points the last 3 games. My guess is he falls just short of top 5 production but should remain a weekly start here on out. Certainly meeting level of expectation if he was drafted at or after round 10.
redman
Footballguy
Simple exercise. I'm going to list all 40 of Cooley's career games, and I'll bold the times in which he's outperformed his career per-game averages in catches (3.3), yards 34.3, and TD's (.4):
Cooley (and Brunell) seem to develop hot streaks together. I've noticed for the first time compiling these stats that Cooley got hot at the end of last year when the team put together that 5-game win streak to end the season - his only statistical no-show was the very last game against Philly. It looks to me like the team has rededicated to getting him involved in the passing game, and they're doing better right now.
As far as today's matchup goes, Cooley has only exceeded his average yards per game or catches per game twice against Philly in 4 meetings; he's never scored against them. Food for thought.
A couple of observations. Don't forget that the first half of his 2004 rookie campaign was spent with Gibbs admittedly underutilizing him. By all accounts his career averages should be slightly higher than what I've listed. Not surprisingly for pass catchers and TE's in particular, much of Cooley's best cumulative stats come from a relative handful of games. That said, he's to some degree less streaky than a lot of TE's - he's only ever had a multiple TD game once. He's also never topped 100 yards receiving in a game, which also implies his yardage is nicely spread out across games on a consistent basis.
Cooley (and Brunell) seem to develop hot streaks together. I've noticed for the first time compiling these stats that Cooley got hot at the end of last year when the team put together that 5-game win streak to end the season - his only statistical no-show was the very last game against Philly. It looks to me like the team has rededicated to getting him involved in the passing game, and they're doing better right now.
As far as today's matchup goes, Cooley has only exceeded his average yards per game or catches per game twice against Philly in 4 meetings; he's never scored against them. Food for thought.
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