iknowsquat
Footballguy
Gave him alot of love on ESPN interveiw. Has never lived up to potential, yet Palmer said he looked great in camp. As usual, we shall see.
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Chris Henry=baby Moss (1 Viewer)
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millertyme1
Footballguy
He's going to have an Antonio Bryant like later career breakout IMO. Just a matter of when. Given presence of Ocho/Coles, it may not be this year. I do believe he'll be in Cincy longer than Ocho.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I picked Henry up this offseason in a dynasty league.... but I just don't know what kind of contract to give him. I am stacked at WR, so Henry would be my WR7. By roster cut down I'll only be able to keep 1-2 of Henry, J.Morgan, J.Nelson, and Trent Edwards, and only 4-5 contract years to divvy up....
I got all of these guys cheap, so I'm not married to keeping any of them. At the same time, I don't like to let other teams get players cheap, but nobody in my league will give anything for them right now.
Hopefully training camp and preseason will clear things up...
I got all of these guys cheap, so I'm not married to keeping any of them. At the same time, I don't like to let other teams get players cheap, but nobody in my league will give anything for them right now.
Hopefully training camp and preseason will clear things up...
IIRC, henry used to "vulture" TDs from CJ and TJ. he seemed to be the red zone target or get the single coverage versus lesser backs (ala joey porter during his oakland days with rice and brown). he may not get a ton of rec. but he might surprise with his TD totals and yards...not to mention that palmer likes the guy (go figure)
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I don't think anyone ever doubted his ability. And when he has been on the field he has produced. If he has his life straightened out, then he could be dangerous - IF.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I will be targeting him in most of my drafts....
1. he has the skill set
2. a solid QB throwing him the ball in a system that will probably "go with their strength" which looks to be the passing game
3. you can probably get him late
4. with some tough bye weeks this year, this is the kind of guy that could carry you when your top guys are off
5. he has more raw, natural, talent then some other guys that will be drafted before him and I think his ceiling is higher
6. from a fantasy perspective I could care less if in real life he is a piece of ####.....
1. he has the skill set
2. a solid QB throwing him the ball in a system that will probably "go with their strength" which looks to be the passing game
3. you can probably get him late
4. with some tough bye weeks this year, this is the kind of guy that could carry you when your top guys are off
5. he has more raw, natural, talent then some other guys that will be drafted before him and I think his ceiling is higher
6. from a fantasy perspective I could care less if in real life he is a piece of ####.....
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notdarkyet
Footballguy
Yea, Im actually really excited about the prospects for Thug Life this season. As with everything else for the Bengals this year, it will all come down to the Oline. If Palmer doesnt have time, this team has no chance.
Lots of Moss similarities: Build, smooth speed, gets the ball up at it's peak, alligator arms when in danger of getting hit.
Lots of Moss similarities: Build, smooth speed, gets the ball up at it's peak, alligator arms when in danger of getting hit.
Kuz
Footballguy
got a good laugh out of this one..Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Henry caught 9 TDs back in 2006 out of the slot. If Palmer stays healthy (an if, I know), then he could have some value late in the draft. If Henry has his head on straight, he could be a good WR3 this year and then really take off if the Bengals let Chad Johnson walk.
Balco
Footballguy
Very good comparison, mainly due to both of their talent levels, and character issues. Both have a ton of talent, and were only held back by their maturity, IMO. Sometimes, it takes a little longer for players to really breakout. Henry could very well be the next.
treat88
Footballguy
I agree.Can't see it happening for Henry as it did for Bryant though. Both Coles and Ochocinco will get theirs and I wouldn't be surprised to see some emphasis on Coffman's development.Bryant essentially had the passing game to himself last season.Henry has the talent, but I can't see the situation producing the same results.
millertyme1
Footballguy
If they decide to go three wide a lot, I could see Coles in the slot often.Given Ocho's there as a deep threat guy, they've got to have Coles on the field a bit as a possession guy.I think Henry's far and away the most talented WR on the Bengals right now. The best thing that could happen for the Bengals is for Chad to have a great year (and deal him next offseason if Henry has in fact turned his life around -- and it seems like every indication at this point he has).
baconisgood
Footballguy
thats way over the top- they still have a 5 time pro bowler who is 31.
millertyme1
Footballguy
I question Chad's desire to be great again. His words have started to heavily outweigh his performance. I think Henry's shown the desire to improve on (and off) the field -- and his QB seems to be his biggest supporter (which there probably isn't a better supporter to have). I think Henry makes Ocho expendable next offseason.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Since when? 1440 yards and 8 TDs in 2007. 2008 he injured his shoulder and had to consider surgery during the preseason and Palmer played 4 games.
? I didn't know Bryant spend time in jail.
Faust
MVP
The Bengals coaching staff has often said that Henry was their most athletically gifted WR on the roster for the last few years, and it was the maturity and off field issues that have held him back. If he has turned his life around, then he could easily outperform his current ADP and projections.
He looked good. Now, as a Saints fan , I can say this. The Saints corners have had issues for several years. Amani Toomer can look good against Jason David ( who was covering Henry on several of his catches). However, give Henry some credit. He looked determined and with Coles gimpy, maybe he can step forward.
Routilla
Footballguy
Didn't know Coles was gimpy. Did he get hurt last night?
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
He was still playing in the 3rd quarter I know that
massraider
Footballguy
He looked really good. Good enough to the point where I wonder why he isn't starting over Coles.Meacham looked really good as well.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Awesome, does this mean I can get Coles in the 8th round now? Keep pushing him down please...
massraider
Footballguy
I am sure it sounds like an overreaction to you, and I am not a Chris Henry guy, I have been burned by character guys before.But the guy DID look good.
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
Give me a grade on the Bengals O-Line and I'll tell you how many TDs Henry will get.
smackthefirst
Footballguy
I think Henry is a great guy to target in drafts this year regardless of the league type. Right now he's going off the board around the 10th round and I think his upside more than outweighs the risks at that ADP. At worst, Henry reverts to his old off the field self and you've lost a 10th round pick. However, at best, he performs to the level that everyone thinks he is capable of and to the level we have seen him perform before. And in the 10th round or later, there are very few guys who I think have the capacity to perform as an every week starter for your fantasy team and we all know that it's those middle picks that make fantasy teams into champions. Henry could easily be one of those picks by year's end.
I think the biggest question for Henry right now is whether or not he can play the possession type role as a WR. Up until this point, Cincy has never attempted to use him in that role. Everyone knows that Ocho is the stretch the field WR right now and Coles is the possession guy and we can also say that Henry is not replacing Ocho in the lineup. So if Henry can play the possession WR role, then I have no doubt that he can overtake Coles and be the second WR in Cincy this year. And at worst, Henry comes in on the 3 WR sets and plays one of the two outside WRs and COles moves into the slot position.
I think the biggest question for Henry right now is whether or not he can play the possession type role as a WR. Up until this point, Cincy has never attempted to use him in that role. Everyone knows that Ocho is the stretch the field WR right now and Coles is the possession guy and we can also say that Henry is not replacing Ocho in the lineup. So if Henry can play the possession WR role, then I have no doubt that he can overtake Coles and be the second WR in Cincy this year. And at worst, Henry comes in on the 3 WR sets and plays one of the two outside WRs and COles moves into the slot position.
Routilla
Footballguy
Average OL?
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
IF Palmer is givin enough time to stand in the pocket for Henry to consistently get deep, he'll put up 12 -15 TDs. I don't really see that happening. He's going to have to get rid of the ball quickly, which limits Henry's production to redzone jump balls, so I'll say 4-6 TDs.
baconisgood
Footballguy
While Ocho can stretch the field he also can excel as a possession receiver. He's been a top 5 between the 20s receiver in the league for nearly 10 years.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Henry at his maximum potential this year will be burner who can get deep balls - distance TD leagues are definitely a place to bump him up. This is what he was doing before all the problems (see Carson's pass in the playoff game vs. Pittsburgh in '05). Coles has seemed destined for the Housh role as well as the best fit although with some different wrinkles thrown in based on his own unique talents. I won't quite say the dreaded "possession guy" label will be applied to Coles but the maximum upside comparison I'd make for him would be a Cris Carter type of deal. If Carson is getting time, I think they both can be productive (look at the numbers in 2006:
Chad 87 catches 1369 yards 7 TDs
Housh 90 catches 1081 yards 9 TDs
Henry 36 catches 605 yards 9 TDs
I think Henry could do better than the 36 catches and yards but what the above shows is that when they have 3 guys clicking it's possible for all of them to be productive fantasy receivers.
Henry definitely will be a guy I consider on a late-round flyer. Will be interesting to see what comes out of the Week 3 preseason game which usually is the most extensive dry run before the regular season.
-QG
Chad 87 catches 1369 yards 7 TDs
Housh 90 catches 1081 yards 9 TDs
Henry 36 catches 605 yards 9 TDs
I think Henry could do better than the 36 catches and yards but what the above shows is that when they have 3 guys clicking it's possible for all of them to be productive fantasy receivers.
Henry definitely will be a guy I consider on a late-round flyer. Will be interesting to see what comes out of the Week 3 preseason game which usually is the most extensive dry run before the regular season.
-QG
So your saying Henry gets 3 catches per game? I just don't see it, that way.
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MaddHatter
Footballguy
and then he would be... No Mas!
Riffraff
Footballguy
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I disagree with the bolded part of the above statement. If you review his game splits over his entire career, he has shown the ability to go long, but also catch the slant and take it the distance, be a strong factor in the red zone, etc. He's honestly a strong all-around receiver, the best "WR3" in the league, and probably better than most WR2 and a good many WR1 in the league. We all know he can run, but he's great at leaping, positioning, after the catch, etc. He can do it all, much in the same model as Moss.I think what happened over time is that as he was suspended, he missed practice time, missed the timing exercises, and the only way for him to make an impact on limited practice time was to "send him deep". Prior to his problems, and prior to the emergence of Housh, he was being groomed as the WR2, and I honestly believe he was seen as Chad's eventual replacement, had he not continously gotten into trouble.
In my opinion, the only governor on Henry's ability is Palmer's ability to get him the ball, and that depends upon the O-line. I'm strongly seeking Henry in my upcoming draft, but the O-line does concern me.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Actualy the comparisions between Chris Henry and Randy Moss go all the way back to his rookie year.
Many WR have been compared to Moss or called the next Randy Moss but they are not Moss are they? That is a high standard that no player could live up to.
As far as Henry goes for this year I think he will outperform Coles. Even with Coles starting. I think the Bengals will still run a lot of 3WR sets.
In redrafts so far this year Henry has been sick value for what I think he is capable of doing. He is a guy who can help win a title for you.
Many WR have been compared to Moss or called the next Randy Moss but they are not Moss are they? That is a high standard that no player could live up to.
As far as Henry goes for this year I think he will outperform Coles. Even with Coles starting. I think the Bengals will still run a lot of 3WR sets.
In redrafts so far this year Henry has been sick value for what I think he is capable of doing. He is a guy who can help win a title for you.
This is what I tried to say, Biabreakable said it much more succinctly. I went to a church festival earlier tonight, therefore I'm drunk. Get Henry.
doowain
Footballguy
Actually, when the Bengals would go three wide....Henry would go outside with Chad and Housh would move to the slot. He's not a slot receiver. His value is outside and he's proven he can be dangerous there. If he has put his personal troubles behind him (and everything I've heard and read show that he has), he represents amazing value. The Bengals have shown a desire to stick by him and that only shows me that he's here for the long haul. Chad and Coles aren't getting any younger. You could do a lot worse than to take a chance on Henry considering his current price tag.
Barring any more legal or personal issues, I think Henry takes Chad's place next year. If Chad underperforms again this year, he's gone. If Chad re-emerges, he becomes 32 year old trade bait.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Brant,I realize your drunk but I wanted to ask you a question about Ocho. Do you think he is fully healthy and what are the long term plans for the Bengals and him?It seems to me that Palmer seems to like Henry more than Ocho at least on a personal level. Some of that may carry over on the field. Who he decides to target.I still assume that Ocho is the #1 and will get the most targets. However if something should happen to Ocho are you seeing Henry becoming the #1 WR and target for Palmer then?This is kind of how I am seeing it. And that gives Henry a huge upside above what I would project for him while assuming that Ocho is still the man.ETA- Nevermind. I see your answer to this in post #44 (while I was typing this). Thanks.Also FWIW I went after Henry in dynasty leagues back in March. But his owners were not budging. So it goes.
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ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
i was just checking to see if this thread was this year's or the one from the last 5preseason's................i call making the chris henry hype thread for next preseason
No looming trial or suspension this year. Ignore this fact at your own risk.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
yep heard that and heard he's in great shape, but i haven't heard that he's hit for the trifecta............has he found Jesus? i think i've heard this story beforeoh and there's the fact that marvin lewis came out and said that Caldwell will enter as the bengals 3rd WR and Henry's best shot of playing is that he would replace coles/ocho if they get hurt.
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Routilla
Footballguy
link?Was Caldwell hurt for the 1st game or was Henry the only one getting open?Edited to add that Caldwell has been working in the slot which is Coles' natural position with Henry on the outside.
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Routilla
Footballguy
Looks like that article was removed from bengals.com Here's one from the post game. Sounds like Lewis wants to be able to count on Henry all of the time. At least that's why he gave him the extra game time. It will be interesting how the next few games go. I think Henry puts himself in position to play a lot if he eliminates the drops. He's certainly a red zone target. http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/...oach_marvi.html
