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Chris Henry value skyrocketing (1 Viewer)
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Please explain your logic behind that statement.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I've been missing Mr. August. Glad he's back in the fold.
millertyme1
Footballguy
At this point in his career, I think it's his best position. I think Cincy may end up really regretting the Coles signing as Caldwell could probably play the slot now & year from now. Gave him waaaaay too much guaranteed money.Ocho and Henry looked outstanding tonight.
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McBokonon
Footballguy
I think he means his ADP is going to skyrocket higher than he's worth based on his preseason success so far.
Rushmore
Footballguy
Having extra options isn't a bad thing. Regardless, the Coles signing was a good signing considering the timing.
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Should help out Palmer though.Yeah, this sucks. I've been looking to target him late in my drafts, but now he's probably going to be too expensive.
millertyme1
Footballguy
Targetting Ocho & Henry in all drafts. Henry's great Ocho insurance & could have stand alone value as well.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Was able to grab Henry last week in a dynasty/salary cap league as my WR5/6. I'm pretty happy about that. If nothing else I might be able to get pretty good value for him out of a trade. Best case is that he blows up and replaces VJax as my WR3.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
anyone know what Coles injury is? Coles will still have a important role with the bengals, he's the only posession type WR they have to go with the other playmakers. Coles will be crucial component moving the chains on 3rd downs. Coles will still be relevant in PPR, he is a poor man's TJ Housh at this poiint and he's playing that role.
sjacksonfan
Footballguy
WR68
The BENGALS know what kind of talent they have in Henry. probably more so than any of us. They also know that he is a parking ticket away of Godells chopping block. History tells them he wont make it through the season without getting in some kind of trouble and Coles was there and a proven WR that could help fill a big whole. All being even, if henry was a model citizen I would guess Coles never joins the Bengals in the off season. That being said, Henrys value is going straight up right from a fantasy perspective. if Ocho Cinco comes back to previous form it is going to open up alot of ooportunties for Henry and Coles this year. I would have loved to grab henry late in my Auction, but I am afraid someone is going to over pay to have him as their number 2 based upon preseason stats.
Brassmonkey71
Footballguy
I had two 12 team drafts last weekend where I was able to snag him in the 12th round of both drafts. I doubt that will happen next week during my other drafts! 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Henry had a chance to step up last year and he didn't. Nice preseason but all it does is push Coles down even further...he went in the 8th round the other night, most of th esummer he has gone in the 5th-6th round range.
Don't put so much stock in preseason guys, let the other sheep in your league flock to Henry.
Don't put so much stock in preseason guys, let the other sheep in your league flock to Henry.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Quick, name five receivers who were completely useless for fantasy purposes for four straight years and then became startable in their fifth year.
Then name five receivers that are startable as the 3rd receiver on their team. Or heck, even the 2nd receiver if that's what you think he is.
Dunno - I could honestly see him doing well, but I wouldn't want to invest much on that bet.
Then name five receivers that are startable as the 3rd receiver on their team. Or heck, even the 2nd receiver if that's what you think he is.
Dunno - I could honestly see him doing well, but I wouldn't want to invest much on that bet.
I don't think he is going to rocket up the boards...he might get taken a little earlier, but I can't think of anyone who is going to pop a 5th or 6th rounder on him...the earliest I can see him going is 8th round, but remember, there was a lot of hype with the Bengals offense the last two years with a lot of burnage, so there are many people out there who will not draft any Bengals just for the sour taste in their mouth.
For people who are waiting on qbs, Henry's reemergance could spell good things for Palmer. That is who I am keeping my eye on.
For people who are waiting on qbs, Henry's reemergance could spell good things for Palmer. That is who I am keeping my eye on.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
ouch..
Quick, name five receivers who were completely useless for fantasy purposes for four straight years and then became startable in their fifth year.Okay, this is quick so I didnt bother with really researching but:Marvin Harrison - mediocre fantasy wise for I think his first three yearsJimmy Smith - the sameTJ Houshmandzadeh - 4 years I believe?Antonio Bryant - 4-7 years depending on what year you want to say he became not uselessand Im sure if I didnt have to be quick I can think of more...
This task is harder since Id have to do research, but right off the bat:Brandon Stokely, dropped off the map after he left Indy but that should be about right.
ukshane
Footballguy
treat88
Footballguy
He's talented and it always nice to see him doing something, but these pre-season numbers are all but meaningless
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Harrison averaged over 800 yards and 7 TDs for his first 3 years, then he blew up in his 4th.Jimmy Smith is close, but he blew up in his 4th year.TJ is also close but had almost 1000 yards in his 4th year.Bryant is your best match, with his 1st 1000 yard effort in his 5th year. He did have over 700 yards in his rookie season though.All in all, excellent effort off the cuff, but only one of them really matches what some folks are predicting for Henry. My point is that while late bloomers definitely happen, even most of the extreme cases generally occur before where Henry is in his career right now.As for 3rd receivers, again - it happens, but mostly on record breaking (or approaching) offenses, which don't come around too often.Bottom line is that Henry has two very big hurdles in terms of what "usually" happens in the NFL. It could happen, but the historical odds aren't in his favor.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
He got three or four starts with one of the worst QBs in the league throwing him the ball. I agree that Coles might end up being the better value, but I think the strategy is to draft both of them.
baconisgood
Footballguy
A- CH had 600 + 9 TDs his 2nd year, that's not fantasy irrelevant. B- Its clear that his off the field problems kept him, well, off the field a lot of the time. He also was playing behind 2 all pros.C- Coles is 32/33 and has been dinged in TC and didn't play the first preseason. All sleepers have stuff to overcome, for Henry its not learning the game or physical limitations.
henry was going in the 13-18th round in ffoc drafts very consistently.
the last draft i did he went in the 7th. i have more drafts upcoming and i think it will be interesting to see if he settles in that high.
fwiw, im huge on him and have him on every single team except the draft he went 7th. you really cant beat his upside in the 15th round.
the last draft i did he went in the 7th. i have more drafts upcoming and i think it will be interesting to see if he settles in that high.
fwiw, im huge on him and have him on every single team except the draft he went 7th. you really cant beat his upside in the 15th round.
pretender
Footballguy
In my two redraft leagues (prior to preseason) I got him in the 15th and the 19th.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
A) The way that season went, I doubt too many people actually started and got points out of Henry. It's possible, so maybe it wasn't TOTALLY irrelevant, but pretty close. 600 yards is not enough to count on in most leagues. Still, I am willing to concede the point. He definitely showed a lot of promise at one point early in his career.B) Just like all sleepers have stuff to overcome, there are always a lot of excuses for guys projected to be very late bloomers. And now he is playing behind an all-pro and a guy who just signed a $28M contract. Maybe his problems ARE all mental, but that doesn't mean those problems just went away all of the sudden. There are a lot of guys with great physical gifts who aren't great NFL receivers because they can't get it together. He could be one of them, and for four years already, he HAS been.C) Yup. He's no stud IMO, but it's pretty unlikely he's not going to play a LOT with the money they just gave him.I actually agree he might have been a good "sleeper" at some point. For anybody with a late draft though, he is no longer going in "sleeper" territory, and that is my concern. I'm willing to take a shot on a guy like Henry, but like I said before, with the odds against him (from a historical perspective), I want my investment pretty low.baconisgood said:
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baconisgood
Footballguy
Did I forget to mention it was in 13 games as well? His 2nd season was 8 games long and prorates to ~700 + 4tds- which isn't exactly relevant but also means a 1000 yard 8 TD season wouldn't exactly come out of nowhere.
He'll get his shot, and personally as a Palmer and CH owner I hope he moves into the slot this year.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Watched the Cincy/NE game on NFL Net last night. Not sure if this has been mentioned but Henry started the game and in was in there on the 2-WR sets that I noticed.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Coles sat out the game, tweeked a muscle earlier in camp, think he would have played had it been regular season.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Kinda funny to see all the Steeler fans in this thread. Anyway, to some of the points in the thread. The Coles signing was and is reasonable under the circumstances. The other receivers have looked good but it's tough to put all of your chips on that. Henry keeping it together so far and playing well is a bonus. At the end of the day, the competition he is in is for WR3 with 
2, though they use a lot of 3 WR sets. I think Henry will ultimately be the best WR3 in the league and a guy worth rostering in fantasy. But something like double-digit TDs would be quite a shock IMO.
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2, though they use a lot of 3 WR sets. I think Henry will ultimately be the best WR3 in the league and a guy worth rostering in fantasy. But something like double-digit TDs would be quite a shock IMO.-QG
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I thought I saw Coles on the field last night.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Funny how? Do I amuse you? Seriously, we should know. I saw Henry eat up our defensive backs more than I care to remember. For a point of reference, in the IBL leagues where there are 8 drafts being conducted, he is usually lasting until the 9th or 10th round except in the most recent draft where he went 7.12. I think that is a bit early but compared to to the other options available at that pick, he still may be undervalued. Simply put, as a #3 receiver, no one can cover him. As a #2 receiver, I am not sure anyone can cover him.Kinda funny to see all the Steeler fans in this thread. Anyway, to some of the points in the thread. The Coles signing was and is reasonable under the circumstances. The other receivers have looked good but it's tough to put all of your chips on that. Henry keeping it together so far and playing well is a bonus. At the end of the day, the competition he is in is for WR3 with
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Heh, just figured there's be more Striped B's in the threadFunny how? Do I amuse you? Seriously, we should know. I saw Henry eat up our defensive backs more than I care to remember. For a point of reference, in the IBL leagues where there are 8 drafts being conducted, he is usually lasting until the 9th or 10th round except in the most recent draft where he went 7.12. I think that is a bit early but compared to to the other options available at that pick, he still may be undervalued. Simply put, as a #3 receiver, no one can cover him. As a #2 receiver, I am not sure anyone can cover him.Kinda funny to see all the Steeler fans in this thread. Anyway, to some of the points in the thread. The Coles signing was and is reasonable under the circumstances. The other receivers have looked good but it's tough to put all of your chips on that. Henry keeping it together so far and playing well is a bonus. At the end of the day, the competition he is in is for WR3 with
Also nice to see folks talking about him running routes and not running from..never mind.-QGIsn't this the first season CH is coming into the season with no off-field situation?
The question with CH is not talent, or understanding the system or the chemistry with his QB or his surrounding cast. The question is, can he play a full 16-game season? Well, 15, since who cares about the last game?
If he plays all 16 (and Palmer stays healthy), 1000+ Yards and 10+ TDs is not out of the question. Why should it be, considering some of his past performances in this same system with the same QB? He has even more potential in leagues that award bonus points for long TDs. You can't find that kind of potential in rounds 10+ very easily.
Of course, anything below Round 10 is pushing the value envelope.
The question with CH is not talent, or understanding the system or the chemistry with his QB or his surrounding cast. The question is, can he play a full 16-game season? Well, 15, since who cares about the last game?
If he plays all 16 (and Palmer stays healthy), 1000+ Yards and 10+ TDs is not out of the question. Why should it be, considering some of his past performances in this same system with the same QB? He has even more potential in leagues that award bonus points for long TDs. You can't find that kind of potential in rounds 10+ very easily.
Of course, anything below Round 10 is pushing the value envelope.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Steeler fans know as much about his potential as just about anyone else, especially if you watched him at WVU.As a fantasy owner, I'm thrilled I was able to grab him as my WR6. No risk, huge potential reward.As a Steeler fan, the Bengals actually worry me a little this year. Their D actually looked decent last year. A healthy Palmer, a reformed Henry, a revitalized Ocho Nacho, a RB tandem of Benson and Scott and the Bengals could surprise some folks this season.Heh, just figured there's be more Striped B's in the threadFunny how? Do I amuse you? Seriously, we should know. I saw Henry eat up our defensive backs more than I care to remember. For a point of reference, in the IBL leagues where there are 8 drafts being conducted, he is usually lasting until the 9th or 10th round except in the most recent draft where he went 7.12. I think that is a bit early but compared to to the other options available at that pick, he still may be undervalued. Simply put, as a #3 receiver, no one can cover him. As a #2 receiver, I am not sure anyone can cover him.Kinda funny to see all the Steeler fans in this thread. Anyway, to some of the points in the thread. The Coles signing was and is reasonable under the circumstances. The other receivers have looked good but it's tough to put all of your chips on that. Henry keeping it together so far and playing well is a bonus. At the end of the day, the competition he is in is for WR3 with
I can't name five, but I can think of one player who didn't become fantasy relevant until his 8th to 11th seasons** some would suggest that his 2nd & 3rd seasons were decent in deep leaguesHoly Schneikes said:
Irving Fryar
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FryaIr00.htm
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
Make it stop 
two_dollars
Footballguy
This thread has no use. please delete this.
hootyhoo22
Footballguy
should i drop hester or gonzales and pick up henry guys??Make it stop
