Chris Johnson hype (1 Viewer)

[felixj28]

I Realize Chris Johnson is a very good back. But people are rating him ahead of guys like Mcfadden, Ronnie Brown, Forte.... is he really a better player than these guys? Wherever I ask this question Chris Johnson is rated at the top of that list. I passed on CJ because I currently have Mcfadden, Forte nad BRown on my bench and couldn't bring myself to drop any of them. Having 4 rbs on my bench was a bit much. I filled out my roster with Rodgers and DEsean jackson instead.

I'll probably regret it. Personally I see him more like a Jones Drew or Tiki Barber in a few years. I think he's going to be big this year and have some huge games and get better as the season goes but will see some bumps along the way. The naysayers are going to say he coudl be quentin griffin. People forget that Johnson had trouble holding onto the ball in college which was a knock against Quentin Griffin....

I still don't see the leap ahead of guys like Ronnie Brown, Mcfadden or Forte though. Johnson is hot right now and we are 1 game into the season. People expected Ronnie Brown to start slow. When healthy he is potentially a top 3 all around back in the league. He is healthy and is already working wit the starters in Miami this week. Mcfadden is the same type of thing. I expected him to start slow but he went higher than Johnson in drafts for a reason imo. He's more of an every down back. It's only a matter of time before he beats out Fargas. Forte already has a hold on being the featured back in Chicago. Am I justified?

 

[Parmcat]

I Realize Chris Johnson is a very good back. But people are rating him ahead of guys like Mcfadden, Ronnie Brown, Forte.... is he really a better player than these guys? Wherever I ask this question Chris Johnson is rated at the top of that list. I passed on CJ because I currently have Mcfadden, Forte nad BRown on my bench and couldn't bring myself to drop any of them. Having 4 rbs on my bench was a bit much. I filled out my roster with Rodgers and DEsean jackson instead.

I'll probably regret it. Personally I see him more like a Jones Drew or Tiki Barber in a few years. I think he's going to be big this year and have some huge games and get better as the season goes but will see some bumps along the way. The naysayers are going to say he coudl be quentin griffin. People forget that Johnson had trouble holding onto the ball in college which was a knock against Quentin Griffin....

I still don't see the leap ahead of guys like Ronnie Brown, Mcfadden or Forte though. Johnson is hot right now and we are 1 game into the season. People expected Ronnie Brown to start slow. When healthy he is potentially a top 3 all around back in the league. He is healthy and is already working wit the starters in Miami this week. Mcfadden is the same type of thing. I expected him to start slow but he went higher than Johnson in drafts for a reason imo. He's more of an every down back. It's only a matter of time before he beats out Fargas. Forte already has a hold on being the featured back in Chicago. Am I justified?

yes

 

[Interseptopus]

I Realize Chris Johnson is a very good back. But people are rating him ahead of guys like Mcfadden, Ronnie Brown, Forte.... is he really a better player than these guys? Wherever I ask this question Chris Johnson is rated at the top of that list. I passed on CJ because I currently have Mcfadden, Forte nad BRown on my bench and couldn't bring myself to drop any of them. Having 4 rbs on my bench was a bit much. I filled out my roster with Rodgers and DEsean jackson instead.

I'll probably regret it. Personally I see him more like a Jones Drew or Tiki Barber in a few years. I think he's going to be big this year and have some huge games and get better as the season goes but will see some bumps along the way. The naysayers are going to say he coudl be quentin griffin. People forget that Johnson had trouble holding onto the ball in college which was a knock against Quentin Griffin....

I still don't see the leap ahead of guys like Ronnie Brown, Mcfadden or Forte though. Johnson is hot right now and we are 1 game into the season. People expected Ronnie Brown to start slow. When healthy he is potentially a top 3 all around back in the league. He is healthy and is already working wit the starters in Miami this week. Mcfadden is the same type of thing. I expected him to start slow but he went higher than Johnson in drafts for a reason imo. He's more of an every down back. It's only a matter of time before he beats out Fargas. Forte already has a hold on being the featured back in Chicago. Am I justified?

First, Yes he is.Second, he is WAY ahead of Forte, and McFadden. Chris Johnson will be a factor THIS season. He is also VERY fast if you didn't know already. The thing that REALLY sets him above everyone else is his catching ability, and what he does with the ball after he has it. He has moves on top of moves. He's ALREADY a starting RB for fantasy teams, starting ahead of players like MJD for me. Ronnie Brown is okay, but he's lost a step from that injury for sure. I wouldn't put him top 3 in the elague.

And the only reason McFadden went higher than CJ3 at drafts is because people bought into the McFadden hype. CJ3 went to a smaller school and was more off the radar.

Forte is a starting RB for a team that is awful. He's a decent RB, but CJ3 holds more value with the passing game added

Bottom line, if you didn't grab CJ3, you will regret it, if you don't already

 

[NinerK]

I Realize Chris Johnson is a very good back. But people are rating him ahead of guys like Mcfadden, Ronnie Brown, Forte.... is he really a better player than these guys? Wherever I ask this question Chris Johnson is rated at the top of that list. I passed on CJ because I currently have Mcfadden, Forte nad BRown on my bench and couldn't bring myself to drop any of them. Having 4 rbs on my bench was a bit much. I filled out my roster with Rodgers and DEsean jackson instead. I'll probably regret it. Personally I see him more like a Jones Drew or Tiki Barber in a few years. I think he's going to be big this year and have some huge games and get better as the season goes but will see some bumps along the way. The naysayers are going to say he coudl be quentin griffin. People forget that Johnson had trouble holding onto the ball in college which was a knock against Quentin Griffin.... I still don't see the leap ahead of guys like Ronnie Brown, Mcfadden or Forte though. Johnson is hot right now and we are 1 game into the season. People expected Ronnie Brown to start slow. When healthy he is potentially a top 3 all around back in the league. He is healthy and is already working wit the starters in Miami this week. Mcfadden is the same type of thing. I expected him to start slow but he went higher than Johnson in drafts for a reason imo. He's more of an every down back. It's only a matter of time before he beats out Fargas. Forte already has a hold on being the featured back in Chicago. Am I justified?

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[TheDirtyWord]

Chris Johnson...? Never heard of him.

 

[OU#1]

He's going to be money in distane leagues with that speed.

After the show he puts on this week he'll be a RB1.

At least I'm hoping it works out this way!

 

[Bears_Man2]

The hype on Johnson is justified. It's magnified even more because he IS the offense (starting the first game he ever played) on that offensively deficient Titan squad. What he did on the ground between the tackles last week is what has everyone excited (going in IMO that was the big ? mark with him). His performance in that area makes White more or less irrelevant. You'll still see White frequently in short yardage/goalline -- I just don't happen to believe he's by any means the superior option there.

I expect teams to start mirroring him everywhere. Much like teams did Bush & make the others beat them and he'll come down to earth a bit.

 

[felixj28]

I know he's ridiculously fast and watched several highlight vids of all 4 backs. He's a hybrid receiver/rb in the mold of MJD. Watching him reminds me of barry sanders and quentin griffin at the same time. I dont think he will be quentin griffin. I also dont think he will be barry sanders. Probably somewhere in between like a MJD. Yes I do regret it. Why I'm asking. I watch ronnie brown and when healthy i think he is a top back in the mold of tomlinson and westbrook and any of those guys. If you've read anything on Ronnie Brown like I have and done my research here there are no signs that he even had an injury at this point. Mcfadden also has extreme speed and is more of an every down rb than Johnson imo. Yeah he's a raider and will probably injure himself ala Bo Jackson because i'm not sure his body can handle that kind of speed that he shows, but he is an extreme talent as well. All I'm saying is I dont necessarily see putting Chris Johnson ahead of these guys is all. I understand and can see why, and it was a very painful decision not picking him up. I joined this board to ask this question because it was so painful.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Check out the "search" function. There is a 30-page thread dedicated to Chris Johnson.

Welcome to FBG.

 

[tomarken]

I figured as much.

 

[felixj28]

I figured as much.

Yeah that's why I asked this. Everyone puts him at the top. I was just hoping to get more in depth opinion on why. Is this people being true or people just buying into hype after one game? If Mcfadden goes for 100+ next week and Johnson comes back down to earth and fumbles a couple times and white has a nice game, will people be saying the same thing? We are one game into the season. So many people are annointing an 13th round pick better than a 4th round pick after 1 game is all. I'm not saying they aren't right. I'd just like to know why?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I figured as much.

Yeah that's why I asked this. Everyone puts him at the top. I was just hoping to get more in depth opinion on why. Is this people being true or people just buying into hype after one game? If Mcfadden goes for 100+ next week and Johnson comes back down to earth and fumbles a couple times and white has a nice game, will people be saying the same thing? We are one game into the season. So many people are annointing an 13th round pick better than a 4th round pick after 1 game is all. I'm not saying they aren't right. I'd just like to know why?

The sad thing is we won't really know what Mcfadden has got because he's trapped in football hell.Fantasy production? It's CJ.

NFL every down back? It's Forte.

Felix is a poor man's CJ.

 

[felixj28]

I hear you and I agree. That's why it's frustrating. I drafted Westbrook and Turner as my starters. I was right there and I like to think I know rbs. That said I'm having a hard time dropping backs I drafted and I think are solid one week into the season. Mcfadden, Forte and Brown are all good. I drafted them and I like them. Yes I agree CJ has serious upside to be a major fatnasy guy this year.

 

[Interseptopus]

I hear you and I agree. That's why it's frustrating. I drafted Westbrook and Turner as my starters. I was right there and I like to think I know rbs. That said I'm having a hard time dropping backs I drafted and I think are solid one week into the season. Mcfadden, Forte and Brown are all good. I drafted them and I like them. Yes I agree CJ has serious upside to be a major fatnasy guy this year.

Every one of your posts has the same theme: "It's frustrating"If it's such a frustrating thing for you to think about, then either A) Pick him up and end the frustration (you'reimplying he's a FA, which is absurd), B) Deal with it and see what happens.No one here can predict the future. All we know is that this kid has got LOTS of talent. Just because other RBs are in better situations, or drafted higher does not mean the kid won't produce when he's given the ball. He made plays happen every time he touched that football. Forte does not. Forte has value, yes, and he's an every down NFL back, but I would take CJ3 over him any day of the week and twice on sundays. Your opinion of CJ3 is in the VAST minority, and no one here will be able to make you think otherwise. He has played 1 NFL regular season game. He has outscored all three of the RBs you have suggested are better than him. If you want more proof than that, tune in on Sundays. If you don't get the TENN games, then do what I do: NFL.comNo one has any evidence suggesting he's better except that, well, he is. He is much better than Forte. If Forte was that much better than CJ3 he would have been drafted ahead of him. McFadden played in the spotlight, so the focus was on him and people bought into it. Ronnie Brown is coming off a significant injury and lost carries in the preseason to Ricky Williams, how bad do you have to perform to do that? Lost his starting spot in week 1 to a pot head. If you don't think CJ3 is better, you don't need to post a topic about it asking for why he is. Look at the week 1 stats, speaks for itself. If you still don't beleive, or don't want to judge him off of one game (fair reasoning), then stay tuned for this week. He tore up the tough JAX D, just wait to see him against an awful defense like Cinci...

 

[Maven]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d809e4d39

 

[Interseptopus]

I figured as much.

Yeah that's why I asked this. Everyone puts him at the top. I was just hoping to get more in depth opinion on why. Is this people being true or people just buying into hype after one game? If Mcfadden goes for 100+ next week and Johnson comes back down to earth and fumbles a couple times and white has a nice game, will people be saying the same thing? We are one game into the season. So many people are annointing an 13th round pick better than a 4th round pick after 1 game is all. I'm not saying they aren't right. I'd just like to know why?

I think you're missing the point. You've successfully started two separate threads about the same exact question, which happens to be about how you should manage your fantasy team. Even one such thread is discouraged, per the IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT THE SHARK POOL above.In the future if you would like to more cleverly disguise such questions, you should have excluded Ronnie Brown from the discussion. A discussion about "Who is the best rookie out of these three?" is much less transparent than "Who is the best RB out of these three rookies and Ronnie Brown?" which is obviously just a question about who you should draft/pickup/trade for.

HTH, and welcome to the Shark Pool.

No idea why he started 2 threads asking the same question...

Any questions regarding managing your FF team should be directed to the Assistant Coach Forum.

 

[felixj28]

My bad. I was more just asking in general though to yes help my fantasy team. I t was mainly a question about rbs who i think are fairly equal in value/draft position and was just wondering why CJ is more highly regarded right now. The first qustion was actually different. I asked who was beter. Then I asked why everyone is rating CJ at the top and I was just wondering why.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

My bad. I was more just asking in general though to yes help my fantasy team. I t was mainly a question about rbs who i think are fairly equal in value/draft position and was just wondering why CJ is more highly regarded right now. The first qustion was actually different. I asked who was beter. Then I asked why everyone is rating CJ at the top and I was just wondering why.

Hey Felix, welcome to Footballguys. We are happy to have you. There are tons of threads in the Shark Pool about players, teams and situations. If you do not see any on the first page that is what you are looking for, the search function is good. This forum has so many threads that often good threads are pushed to page four in a day. This is why many use the search function. If you have a question about your team, feel free to post in the Assistant Coach forum. There are even two pinned threads that get answered fairly promptly.Once again, welcome to Footballguys.

 

[Cookiemonster]

My bad. I was more just asking in general though to yes help my fantasy team. I t was mainly a question about rbs who i think are fairly equal in value/draft position and was just wondering why CJ is more highly regarded right now. The first qustion was actually different. I asked who was beter. Then I asked why everyone is rating CJ at the top and I was just wondering why.

Hey Felix, welcome to Footballguys. We are happy to have you. There are tons of threads in the Shark Pool about players, teams and situations. If you do not see any on the first page that is what you are looking for, the search function is good. This forum has so many threads that often good threads are pushed to page four in a day. This is why many use the search function. If you have a question about your team, feel free to post in the Assistant Coach forum. There are even two pinned threads that get answered fairly promptly.Once again, welcome to Footballguys.

That's why I'll never be a mod. That's PC man. Mind if I copy & paste it, rather than be a jerk?

 

[felixj28]

Yes that was good. I like this board a lot better already. Some forums are just filled with jerks who like to be wiseasses after a while and that was actually mature and respectful and I appreciate it and I understand what you are saying as well.

 

[Ripleys]

CJ2 and CJ3 are the 2 best players at their positions in football. There, I said it.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Felix, back to your original question. I see Johnson used as Reggie Bush or Westbrook ( a couple of years ago). He has tremendous talent and speed. I think he is prob the favorite to be rookie of year. The strong Titan defense, lack of decent receivers, and need for playmakers makes me think the coaches know they NEED Johnson if they are to go very far. He is what that offense has missed for a while. Chris Johnson is the one player that can score any time he touches the ball. For this reason, expect Johnson to see 15ish touches every game at the minimum.

 

[felixj28]

CJ2 and CJ3 are the 2 best players at their positions in football. There, I said it.

It would be nice if someone could answer the question and tell me why though. I understand a lot of people are CJ crazy right now.. I've gotten that far.

 

[felixj28]

Felix, back to your original question. I see Johnson used as Reggie Bush or Westbrook ( a couple of years ago). He has tremendous talent and speed. I think he is prob the favorite to be rookie of year. The strong Titan defense, lack of decent receivers, and need for playmakers makes me think the coaches know they NEED Johnson if they are to go very far. He is what that offense has missed for a while. Chris Johnson is the one player that can score any time he touches the ball. For this reason, expect Johnson to see 15ish touches every game at the minimum.

Thx. But how does that justify him ahead of guys like Forte who are more than likely going to see 20+ touches a game. That's my quandary. I see the westbrook comparison, but westbrook didnt become a fantasy star until he got fulltime duty. Same wth Tiki Barber for that matter. I agree there is a strong chance that could happen with the titans as early as this year but that still remains to be seen. Brown as the season goes is also going to see 15-20 touches a game and can catch the ball and is also a very talented back that can do a lot of different things. I think too many people are jumping on the Ricky williams bandwagon. Ronnie is clearly the better back there. He was on pace for a 2000 yard season last year before he got hurt or close to it.

 

[Ripleys]

CJ2 and CJ3 are the 2 best players at their positions in football. There, I said it.

It would be nice if someone could answer the question and tell me why though. I understand a lot of people are CJ crazy right now.. I've gotten that far.

Well I was kind of kidding, but in a way, I'm not.Calvin (CJ2) might be the most physically gifted WR to ever enter the league. 6'5", runs a 4.3, strong, great hands, and has an amazing work ethic. He's also a great kid, no worries of drugs, bad off field stuff, etc. I think he's Randy Moss 10+ years ago without the attitude. CJ3 is just a freak. 4.2, are you kidding me? And unlike Trung the Dung Canidate, he actually has vision, and can cut on a dime. His balance is fantastic. And he just runs like he's hungry.

 

[felixj28]

CJ2 and CJ3 are the 2 best players at their positions in football. There, I said it.

It would be nice if someone could answer the question and tell me why though. I understand a lot of people are CJ crazy right now.. I've gotten that far.

Well I was kind of kidding, but in a way, I'm not.Calvin (CJ2) might be the most physically gifted WR to ever enter the league. 6'5", runs a 4.3, strong, great hands, and has an amazing work ethic. He's also a great kid, no worries of drugs, bad off field stuff, etc. I think he's Randy Moss 10+ years ago without the attitude. CJ3 is just a freak. 4.2, are you kidding me? And unlike Trung the Dung Canidate, he actually has vision, and can cut on a dime. His balance is fantastic. And he just runs like he's hungry.

I know you were joking. I was too sort of. I wish I had him but whn i broke it down compared to the rbs i had there were reasons why i passed. I completely understand why people are annointing him the second coming but there is that chance you may be disapointed. There is a legitament argument to be made why he still isn't better than other backs that i'm mentioning. I'm saying this because i watched tons of highlights, read a ton because i really wanted to pick up CJ3 but I couldn't because of the backs i had. That said I'm probably wrong and I'll probably eat it later in the year because the 2nd best team in my league imo picked him and is starting him.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Felix, back to your original question. I see Johnson used as Reggie Bush or Westbrook ( a couple of years ago). He has tremendous talent and speed. I think he is prob the favorite to be rookie of year. The strong Titan defense, lack of decent receivers, and need for playmakers makes me think the coaches know they NEED Johnson if they are to go very far. He is what that offense has missed for a while. Chris Johnson is the one player that can score any time he touches the ball. For this reason, expect Johnson to see 15ish touches every game at the minimum.

Thx. But how does that justify him ahead of guys like Forte who are more than likely going to see 20+ touches a game. That's my quandary. I see the westbrook comparison, but westbrook didnt become a fantasy star until he got fulltime duty. Same wth Tiki Barber for that matter. I agree there is a strong chance that could happen with the titans as early as this year but that still remains to be seen. Brown as the season goes is also going to see 15-20 touches a game and can catch the ball and is also a very talented back that can do a lot of different things. I think too many people are jumping on the Ricky williams bandwagon. Ronnie is clearly the better back there. He was on pace for a 2000 yard season last year before he got hurt or close to it.

the same can be said about Reggie Bush. He is drafted ahead of backs that get more carries as well. Most forget how few carries Westbrook had and how successful he was. He was splitting time in his second year (2003) and got only 117 carries, but averaged 5.2 per carry. He added 37 catches. In 2003, he was RB20 at the end of the season ... in only 15 games. In 2004, the Eagles gave him a bigger role, but still well within what we are talking about for Johnson. In 2004, Westbrook had 177 carries and 73 receptions in 13 games. In only 13 games, Westy was RB10. In no way am I saying that these two backs are comparable, just saying how it can happen with fewer touches. What is interesting is that 2003 season, Westbrook had his career high yards per carry average of his career, with the fewest amount of carries (other than as a rookie). I think this is what the Titans hope for with Johnson. Johnson has great speed and good moves. The Titans will put him in situations to make big plays. One thing about Forte, whom you mention above, is that he plays for the Bears. While Forte impressed me on Sunday night, I think there will be few games this season that the Bears have a lead and are not playing from behind. Both are good prospects. Maybe, since we are all predicting, it is just a matter of taste and preference.

 

[TitusIII]

Pretty justified, although I still would take Forte over Johnson as a fantasy back in '08...

"Forte is a starting RB for a team that is awful. He's a decent RB, but CJ3 holds more value with the passing game added

Bottom line, if you didn't grab CJ3, you will regret it, if you don't already"

The Bears offense showed it can run the ball, and the defense is still elite(as long as they can stay healthy). In fact, they appear to be a team that is extremely similar to the Titans.

 

[felixj28]

the same can be said about Reggie Bush. He is drafted ahead of backs that get more carries as well. Most forget how few carries Westbrook had and how successful he was. He was splitting time in his second year (2003) and got only 117 carries, but averaged 5.2 per carry. He added 37 catches. In 2003, he was RB20 at the end of the season ... in only 15 games. In 2004, the Eagles gave him a bigger role, but still well within what we are talking about for Johnson. In 2004, Westbrook had 177 carries and 73 receptions in 13 games. In only 13 games, Westy was RB10. In no way am I saying that these two backs are comparable, just saying how it can happen with fewer touches. What is interesting is that 2003 season, Westbrook had his career high yards per carry average of his career, with the fewest amount of carries (other than as a rookie). I think this is what the Titans hope for with Johnson. Johnson has great speed and good moves. The Titans will put him in situations to make big plays. One thing about Forte, whom you mention above, is that he plays for the Bears. While Forte impressed me on Sunday night, I think there will be few games this season that the Bears have a lead and are not playing from behind. Both are good prospects. Maybe, since we are all predicting, it is just a matter of taste and preference.

I think it is a taste thing. These decisions are always difficult because sometimes i go with my gut and i am right and other times not so much... I tend to like backs that can do a lot of things and carry a full load at the same time. This is kind of the whole Emmitt Smith vs Barry Sanders argument for me. Me personally I would take Emmitt because he's more steady, gains yardage in small chunks on a consistant basis and can block, catch and do everything pretty much. Barry is much mroe explosive and can score any time he touches the ball but i'm not so sure he's as consistantly gaining yardage and tds, like emmitt was in his hay day. This was a very difficult decision though... My backs are Westbrook, Turner, Forte, Mcfadden, Brown. Thats still really good I figure. I might have done better in one spot but who's to say where that spot is? I couldn't figure it out. There are so many good options at rb this year. When I was picking Westbrook I was debating between him and Barber for 2 weeks straight and it was driving me nuts as well. I took Westbrook.

 

[felixj28]

Anyways I'm really impressed with some of the responses I got here. I realize this thread was kind of out of place and I'll try to keep things where they should be from now on. So many boards don't give mature in depth responses or answer the question at all for that matter, and I appreciate it. This seems like a really good board.

 

[Black Label Society]

the same can be said about Reggie Bush. He is drafted ahead of backs that get more carries as well. Most forget how few carries Westbrook had and how successful he was. He was splitting time in his second year (2003) and got only 117 carries, but averaged 5.2 per carry. He added 37 catches. In 2003, he was RB20 at the end of the season ... in only 15 games. In 2004, the Eagles gave him a bigger role, but still well within what we are talking about for Johnson. In 2004, Westbrook had 177 carries and 73 receptions in 13 games. In only 13 games, Westy was RB10. In no way am I saying that these two backs are comparable, just saying how it can happen with fewer touches. What is interesting is that 2003 season, Westbrook had his career high yards per carry average of his career, with the fewest amount of carries (other than as a rookie). I think this is what the Titans hope for with Johnson. Johnson has great speed and good moves. The Titans will put him in situations to make big plays. One thing about Forte, whom you mention above, is that he plays for the Bears. While Forte impressed me on Sunday night, I think there will be few games this season that the Bears have a lead and are not playing from behind. Both are good prospects. Maybe, since we are all predicting, it is just a matter of taste and preference.

I think it is a taste thing. These decisions are always difficult because sometimes i go with my gut and i am right and other times not so much... I tend to like backs that can do a lot of things and carry a full load at the same time. This is kind of the whole Emmitt Smith vs Barry Sanders argument for me. Me personally I would take Emmitt because he's more steady, gains yardage in small chunks on a consistant basis and can block, catch and do everything pretty much. Barry is much mroe explosive and can score any time he touches the ball but i'm not so sure he's as consistantly gaining yardage and tds, like emmitt was in his hay day. This was a very difficult decision though... My backs are Westbrook, Turner, Forte, Mcfadden, Brown. Thats still really good I figure. I might have done better in one spot but who's to say where that spot is? I couldn't figure it out. There are so many good options at rb this year. When I was picking Westbrook I was debating between him and Barber for 2 weeks straight and it was driving me nuts as well. I took Westbrook.

You want advice? Drop McFadden, pick up CJ3. Trade R. Brown for a WR or QB upgrade.Then enjoy.

 

[felixj28]

the same can be said about Reggie Bush. He is drafted ahead of backs that get more carries as well. Most forget how few carries Westbrook had and how successful he was. He was splitting time in his second year (2003) and got only 117 carries, but averaged 5.2 per carry. He added 37 catches. In 2003, he was RB20 at the end of the season ... in only 15 games. In 2004, the Eagles gave him a bigger role, but still well within what we are talking about for Johnson. In 2004, Westbrook had 177 carries and 73 receptions in 13 games. In only 13 games, Westy was RB10. In no way am I saying that these two backs are comparable, just saying how it can happen with fewer touches. What is interesting is that 2003 season, Westbrook had his career high yards per carry average of his career, with the fewest amount of carries (other than as a rookie). I think this is what the Titans hope for with Johnson. Johnson has great speed and good moves. The Titans will put him in situations to make big plays. One thing about Forte, whom you mention above, is that he plays for the Bears. While Forte impressed me on Sunday night, I think there will be few games this season that the Bears have a lead and are not playing from behind. Both are good prospects. Maybe, since we are all predicting, it is just a matter of taste and preference.

I think it is a taste thing. These decisions are always difficult because sometimes i go with my gut and i am right and other times not so much... I tend to like backs that can do a lot of things and carry a full load at the same time. This is kind of the whole Emmitt Smith vs Barry Sanders argument for me. Me personally I would take Emmitt because he's more steady, gains yardage in small chunks on a consistant basis and can block, catch and do everything pretty much. Barry is much mroe explosive and can score any time he touches the ball but i'm not so sure he's as consistantly gaining yardage and tds, like emmitt was in his hay day. This was a very difficult decision though... My backs are Westbrook, Turner, Forte, Mcfadden, Brown. Thats still really good I figure. I might have done better in one spot but who's to say where that spot is? I couldn't figure it out. There are so many good options at rb this year. When I was picking Westbrook I was debating between him and Barber for 2 weeks straight and it was driving me nuts as well. I took Westbrook.

You want advice? Drop McFadden, pick up CJ3. Trade R. Brown for a WR or QB upgrade.Then enjoy.

That's good advice. Problem is CJ was picked up today because i waited too long and couldnt make up my mind. I could offer Mcfadden and Brown for CJ3 and Roddy White or Chad Johnson, Cotchery, Driver, Burress. Those are his receivers..

 

[Black Label Society]

the same can be said about Reggie Bush. He is drafted ahead of backs that get more carries as well. Most forget how few carries Westbrook had and how successful he was. He was splitting time in his second year (2003) and got only 117 carries, but averaged 5.2 per carry. He added 37 catches. In 2003, he was RB20 at the end of the season ... in only 15 games. In 2004, the Eagles gave him a bigger role, but still well within what we are talking about for Johnson. In 2004, Westbrook had 177 carries and 73 receptions in 13 games. In only 13 games, Westy was RB10. In no way am I saying that these two backs are comparable, just saying how it can happen with fewer touches. What is interesting is that 2003 season, Westbrook had his career high yards per carry average of his career, with the fewest amount of carries (other than as a rookie). I think this is what the Titans hope for with Johnson. Johnson has great speed and good moves. The Titans will put him in situations to make big plays. One thing about Forte, whom you mention above, is that he plays for the Bears. While Forte impressed me on Sunday night, I think there will be few games this season that the Bears have a lead and are not playing from behind. Both are good prospects. Maybe, since we are all predicting, it is just a matter of taste and preference.

I think it is a taste thing. These decisions are always difficult because sometimes i go with my gut and i am right and other times not so much... I tend to like backs that can do a lot of things and carry a full load at the same time. This is kind of the whole Emmitt Smith vs Barry Sanders argument for me. Me personally I would take Emmitt because he's more steady, gains yardage in small chunks on a consistant basis and can block, catch and do everything pretty much. Barry is much mroe explosive and can score any time he touches the ball but i'm not so sure he's as consistantly gaining yardage and tds, like emmitt was in his hay day. This was a very difficult decision though... My backs are Westbrook, Turner, Forte, Mcfadden, Brown. Thats still really good I figure. I might have done better in one spot but who's to say where that spot is? I couldn't figure it out. There are so many good options at rb this year. When I was picking Westbrook I was debating between him and Barber for 2 weeks straight and it was driving me nuts as well. I took Westbrook.

You want advice? Drop McFadden, pick up CJ3. Trade R. Brown for a WR or QB upgrade.Then enjoy.

That's good advice. Problem is CJ was picked up today because i waited too long and couldnt make up my mind. I could offer Mcfadden and Brown for CJ3 and Roddy White or Chad Johnson, Cotchery, Driver, Burress. Those are his receivers..

Bummer.

 

[felixj28]

Yeah it doesnt matter much now. I'll wait it out. My team is really good and I'm not overly worried about it. I have witten, TO, Braylon, WEsbrook, Turner, Ward and Big Ben at QB. Brown, Mcfadden, Forte, Rodgers and Desean Jackson on my bench. I'm really not buying this hype that cj3 is somehow going to beat out Turner or Westbrook and be a top 10 back but i could be wrong. Mcfadden/Brown for CJ3 and Roddy White might be soemthing i'd propose but i'm not sure he'd do it right now.

 

[The Real Deal]

is he really a better player than these guys?

Chris Johnson is going to be a top 5 RB this year. The other players you mention aren't good enough to carry his jockstrap. Enough said.

 

[TitusIII]

Chris Johnson has an amazing agent/PR team...some of the hype is starting to look like a political add...lets keep it real people...

 

[felixj28]

Chris Johnson has an amazing agent/PR team...some of the hype is starting to look like a political add...lets keep it real people...

It's true. I've seen highlights of him and he's amazing, but some of this stuff makes it sound like i should be dropping brian westbrook for him. He's an amazing back but why is it Mcfadden can't suddenly gain 1000 yards in a season? Ronnie Brown was the best fantasy back in football last year before he got hurt. That's my only point. I just don't understand what people are seeing in Chris Johnson that suddenly changes that. Is Chris JOhnson going to go for 1500 yards this year? Because I Still say there is a strong chance Ronnie Brown and Mcfadden are both 1000 yard rushers easily this year.

 

[Yenrub]

What impact does LenDale have on CJ?

 

[Max Power]

Chris Johnson has an amazing agent/PR team...some of the hype is starting to look like a political add...lets keep it real people...

It's true. I've seen highlights of him and he's amazing, but some of this stuff makes it sound like i should be dropping brian westbrook for him. He's an amazing back but why is it Mcfadden can't suddenly gain 1000 yards in a season? Ronnie Brown was the best fantasy back in football last year before he got hurt. That's my only point. I just don't understand what people are seeing in Chris Johnson that suddenly changes that. Is Chris JOhnson going to go for 1500 yards this year? Because I Still say there is a strong chance Ronnie Brown and Mcfadden are both 1000 yard rushers easily this year.

Dropping Westbrook? That is a bit of an over-reaction. The fact is that most Johnson Owners got the guy (depending on draft date) in the 10th round or so. It currently looks like the guy will be a solid RB2 at the minimum in a 12 team league with solid RB1 upside. It is just a huge return on investment. If your looking for the knocks on him, which you seem to be, its that his body type might not be ideal for a 300 carry back.

 

[felixj28]

What impact does LenDale have on CJ?

Lendale is the short yardage and goalline back. CJ is lightning and very much so. But Lendale is going to hurt his TD numbers. Both guys are going to get about 10-15 carries a game. CJ will probably add 3-5 catches on top of that. If CJ averages 5.5 yards a carry thats 1200-1300 yards and about 60 catches which is Westbrook territory and best case scenario. That said I think Brown and Mcfadden are going to get similar touches and maybe more but at less yards per clip but more chances at the goalline which should equal similar numbers. The way I see it CJ may go for 200-300 more total yards, but Ronnie and Mcfadden may get 2 or 3 more tds which pretty much evens things out. Forte is going to be getting 20+ touches a game and all the goalline carries pretty much. Yes the bears are bad, but that still should equal around the same numbers as well.

 

[Max Power]

What impact does LenDale have on CJ?

He will clean up the scraps after CJ has his way with the opposing D

 

[Max Power]

What impact does LenDale have on CJ?

Lendale is the short yardage and goalline back. CJ is lightning and very much so. But Lendale is going to hurt his TD numbers. Both guys are going to get about 10-15 carries a game. CJ will probably add 3-5 catches on top of that. If CJ averages 5.5 yards a carry thats 1200-1300 yards and about 60 catches which is Westbrook territory and best case scenario. That said I think Brown and Mcfadden are going to get similar touches and maybe more but at less yards per clip but more chances at the goalline which should equal similar numbers. The way I see it CJ may go for 200-300 more total yards, but Ronnie and Mcfadden may get 2 or 3 more tds which pretty much evens things out. Forte is going to be getting 20+ touches a game and all the goalline carries pretty much. Yes the bears are bad, but that still should equal around the same numbers as well.

Chris Johnson worked in GL package last week. It won't be a Lendale only situation.You keep on bringing up Brown and McFadden, but personally they seem to be in bigger RBBCs than Johnson right now.

 

[felixj28]

Do the Math

10 touches x 16 games x 5.5 yards per carry=880 yards

3 catches x 16 games= 47 catches

15 touches x 16 games x 5.5 ypc=1320 yards

Keep in mind Lendale is going to be getting a lot of short yardage and goalline carries. I think a realistic expectation for him is somewhere in between that and about 1000 yards rushing and 6-8 tds. with about 300-400 yards receiving on top of that. I'm saying he's averaging 5.5 yards per carry here. Yes he has Westbrook/Tiki Barber potential but people have to remember it took Tiki and Westbrook several years to reach that level and become a fantasy stud. Look at Tiki's and Westbrook's career's. Westbrook had to deal with Buckhalter and Tiki had Dayne. They were not fantasy studs when they had these guys. Yes the game has changed and rbs can run at will it seems like these days ie in MJD's case. But I'm saying he's averaging 5.5 yards a carry here and stays healthy the whole year and lives up to his status, but he still has to deal with White.

My only point is why are people rating this guy way ahead of Mcfadden and Brown and Forte? I dont think its out of the question at all that all 3 of those guys have 1300 total yard seasons.... I think they are on the same level. rbs that are getting the bulk of the work and are averaging the same kind of numbers per carry like Westbrook and SJax, etc are in another class. It's basically tier 1 vs tier 2. I just don't see Chris Johnson getting those kind of touches this year no matter how great he may be. If he's getting 20-25 touches a game his rookie year llike Adrian Peterson was at the end of last year that is very rare.

 

[Max Power]

Felix...Why are you under the impression that the Titans NEED to get Lendale on the field? The guy was one of the worst starting running backs in the NFL last year.

The Titans didn't take Johnson in the first (with more pressing needs) to be a 10 carry back.

 

[Balance]

Why is this thread not in the AC forum?

 

[felixj28]

Felix...Why are you under the impression that the Titans NEED to get Lendale on the field? The guy was one of the worst starting running backs in the NFL last year.The Titans didn't take Johnson in the first (with more pressing needs) to be a 10 carry back.

Those numbers are him getting 10-15 carries and 3-5 catches. That's a 1300-1400 yard total yard back if he averages 5.5 yards per carry. I really think that is what he is going to get. more than likely he is going to average 4.9-5 yards per touch which makes him an 1100-1200 total yard player his rookie year. That's all I'm saying. jones drew is a best case scenario his rookie year. Even Westbrook didn't put up those numbers as a rookie.

 

[switz]

Felix is a poor man's CJ.

All things being equal - I'd expect Felix to have a far superior career.If I were to compare, I'd say CJ is Brian Westbrook, and Felix is Marshall Faulk.Close to the same skills, CJ is faster, Felix is probably better suited to be an every down RB.Best two RBs in this class, and I have both in my dynasty league

 

[scrumptrulescent]

is he really a better player than these guys?

Chris Johnson is going to be a top 5 RB this year. The other players you mention aren't good enough to carry his jockstrap. Enough said.

:whoosh: Good grief. The manlove on this site is ridiculous.

 

[CASS101]

Do the Math10 touches x 16 games x 5.5 yards per carry=880 yards3 catches x 16 games= 47 catches15 touches x 16 games x 5.5 ypc=1320 yardsKeep in mind Lendale is going to be getting a lot of short yardage and goalline carries. I think a realistic expectation for him is somewhere in between that and about 1000 yards rushing and 6-8 tds. with about 300-400 yards receiving on top of that. I'm saying he's averaging 5.5 yards per carry here. Yes he has Westbrook/Tiki Barber potential but people have to remember it took Tiki and Westbrook several years to reach that level and become a fantasy stud. Look at Tiki's and Westbrook's career's. Westbrook had to deal with Buckhalter and Tiki had Dayne. They were not fantasy studs when they had these guys. Yes the game has changed and rbs can run at will it seems like these days ie in MJD's case. But I'm saying he's averaging 5.5 yards a carry here and stays healthy the whole year and lives up to his status, but he still has to deal with White.My only point is why are people rating this guy way ahead of Mcfadden and Brown and Forte? I dont think its out of the question at all that all 3 of those guys have 1300 total yard seasons.... I think they are on the same level. rbs that are getting the bulk of the work and are averaging the same kind of numbers per carry like Westbrook and SJax, etc are in another class. It's basically tier 1 vs tier 2. I just don't see Chris Johnson getting those kind of touches this year no matter how great he may be. If he's getting 20-25 touches a game his rookie year llike Adrian Peterson was at the end of last year that is very rare.

Well, the first problem is that your math is off. CJ had 15 carries in his first game after sitting most of the 4th quarter with a cramp in his calf. So, your projections are off from the beginning thinking that CJ will only get 10 carries a game.The problem so far with McFadden is that he is splitting carries evenly with Fargas so far. Now, that may change as the season goes forward, but McFadden is not nearly as talented as CJ in the first place.Ronnie Brown was on my do-not-draft list. So, I would be shocked if he reaches 1000 total combined yards this season coming back from that surgery so quickly.

 

[felixj28]

Well, the first problem is that your math is off. CJ had 15 carries in his first game after sitting most of the 4th quarter with a cramp in his calf. So, your projections are off from the beginning thinking that CJ will only get 10 carries a game.The problem so far with McFadden is that he is splitting carries evenly with Fargas so far. Now, that may change as the season goes forward, but McFadden is not nearly as talented as CJ in the first place.Ronnie Brown was on my do-not-draft list. So, I would be shocked if he reaches 1000 total combined yards this season coming back from that surgery so quickly.

I thought i was being generous giving him 15 carries and 5.5 yards a carry at 1320 yards. I'm just trying to get a realistic number. I think I am being realisticly generous saying he is going to be an 1100-1300 total yard player his rookie year which is MJD stuff. How many rbs come in and average 20+ touches per game their rookie year? Not many.. If he breaks that mold and averages 20+ touches a game and 5+ yards a touch all year then he's brian westbrook. I just am kind of hesitant to think that is going to happen. YEs the titans run alot and the eagles pass a lot. Jacksonville runs a lot. They have a better compliment in taylor than the titans have in white. But people are kidding themselves if they think White isnt going to hedge on his carries. What I'm saying is MJD is best case scenario if everything goes right which is realistic. Everything has to go right. I just dont see why Mcfadden and Brown cant do that as well or Forte for that matter. BRown was on pace fora 2000 yard season last year before he got hurt. Yes he's in a different situation now but if you take the -30% rule he's still on the same level.My only point is people are annointing him the second coming and you may be right, but if you at the numbers a lot of people are downgrading brown and mcfadden imo just because they aren't the popular choice when i think they have every bit a chance to have just as good a season. You say CJ is much more talented than Mcfadden but why? They are different players and different style players. Yes Mcfadden is in a mess in Oakland, but he's ridiculously fast adn talented. No he doesn't bounce around holes and look really neat like CJ might but he follows his blockers and is ridiculously fast and has great vision. Ronnie brown is a total thoroughbred rb if you've ever seen him play. He's LT quality when healthy. That's my only point. I think people are anamored by CJ's quick burst and think he's so much better than these guys when he isn't. That's not a knock on him either.