Chris Johnson owners--beware (1 Viewer)

[shader]

I loved this kid last year and still do. He is a unique talent. However, I think his ADP is getting a little out of hand, especially in re-draft leagues.

I personally would want no part of him as my number 1 RB in a re-draft league. Why?

Javon Ringer.

We know Lendale is already stealing 90% of goalline carries. But I'm telling you guys, Ringer will play. He is too good to keep off the field. He has shown excellent instincts at RB. He is a better receiver than CJ, and I wouldn't be surprised if he starts eating into CJ's playing time a little bit.

Fisher has already said that he will have a "three-headed" monster at RB this year...

Next year, Lendale will be gone, and CJ's value will go to the moon. But for this year...be careful....

 

[War Eagle]

I know nothing about Ringer, but I'm with you. CJ ADP has risen way too high. He's a solid 2nd rounder but he's being drafted as an elite back. He hasn't looked good in the preseason so far either.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

 

[benm3218]

Agree actually.... Ringer could end up being a poor mans MJD for the Titan's starting next year.

 

[shader]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

He has absolutely not shown the ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield. He dropped or bobbled at least half of the passes that were thrown to him last year.Now obviously with his blazing speed, if he could learn to catch the ball cleanly, he'd be unbelievably dynamic. So the potential is there.

 

[jsharlan]

guys its preseason and Ringer is getting lots of carries against 3rd stringers, while CJ gets like 5 in the beginning of the game. I wouldnt buy too much into it. I dont think hes a top 5 back, but the bottom third of the first round seems logical for a team that runs the ball like the Titans do.

 

[shader]

I know nothing about Ringer, but I'm with you. CJ ADP has risen way too high. He's a solid 2nd rounder but he's being drafted as an elite back. He hasn't looked good in the preseason so far either.

Your avatar makes me want to vomit. That being said, the O-Line hasn't blocked too well in the preseason. But it's just the preseason...no reason to worry yet.

 

[War Eagle]

I know nothing about Ringer, but I'm with you. CJ ADP has risen way too high. He's a solid 2nd rounder but he's being drafted as an elite back. He hasn't looked good in the preseason so far either.

Your avatar makes me want to vomit. That being said, the O-Line hasn't blocked too well in the preseason. But it's just the preseason...no reason to worry yet.

Roll Tide fan huh? Sal good!Yea, the O-Line has been minus 2 starters. I'm with ya. Don't put too much weight in preseason, but either way I think he's too pricey and will not be the elite back everyone thinks he will. Dud will be solid, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sold on him being a first rounder, especially a high first rounder.

 

[FUBAR]

Agree actually.... Ringer could end up being a poor mans MJD for the Titan's starting next year.

How is Ringer like MJD? He's not quick, not overly elusive, not as agile... has decent vision and hands, but he lacks everything that makes MJD special. That said, I do like Ringer as part of a RBBC.

 

[FUBAR]

I know nothing about Ringer, but I'm with you. CJ ADP has risen way too high. He's a solid 2nd rounder but he's being drafted as an elite back. He hasn't looked good in the preseason so far either.

Your avatar makes me want to vomit. That being said, the O-Line hasn't blocked too well in the preseason. But it's just the preseason...no reason to worry yet.

Roll Tide fan huh? Sal good!Yea, the O-Line has been minus 2 starters. I'm with ya. Don't put too much weight in preseason, but either way I think he's too pricey and will not be the elite back everyone thinks he will. Dud will be solid, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sold on him being a first rounder, especially a high first rounder.

for 2009, I agree with you. What ends up being best for the team won't help CJ's owners. He'll be solid, a low #1 or good #2 and I expect more receptions, but you're right that he's too high right now.

 

[fourd]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

He has absolutely not shown the ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield. He dropped or bobbled at least half of the passes that were thrown to him last year.Now obviously with his blazing speed, if he could learn to catch the ball cleanly, he'd be unbelievably dynamic. So the potential is there.

Agree, he always seems to receive the ball uncomfortably, if that makes sense. He's certainly not a natural at it.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

CJ ADP has risen way too high. He's a solid 2nd rounder but he's being drafted as an elite back. He hasn't looked good in the preseason so far either.

I guess I'm not seeing that happening. His ADP is around 1.9. I don't consider that elite back terroritory. If you're drafting at the end of round 1, I'd consider him solid there.He wasn't on my radar heading into my draft, but I took at him at 1.11 and I'm very comfortable drafting him there.

 

[jurrassic]

I have him as a #2 alongside LT. I am comfortable with him there. I agree with you that he is going a little higher than he should. However, he did finish 8th in the league in rushing as a rookie last year and 13th among rb's in tds.

 

[switz]

Another overreaction to 3rd stringers playing against 3rd stringers in the preseason.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Chris Johnson is a bit over valued, re draft wise anyway, but Javon Ringer is the last reason why...ok, Chris Henry is the last reason why but Ringer's close. He's a career backup at best.

 

[munchkin]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

He has absolutely not shown the ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield. He dropped or bobbled at least half of the passes that were thrown to him last year.Now obviously with his blazing speed, if he could learn to catch the ball cleanly, he'd be unbelievably dynamic. So the potential is there.

Chris Johnson had 62 targets last year with 43 receptions, that's a 69% reception rate. Lendale White is a greater detriment to his overall FF numbers than his ability, or than your perceived lack there of , to catch the ball. White, or Ringer, will help to extend CJ's football life. He has the physical talent to be unbelievably productive. The team needs to figure out the best way to use his talents. It is on Johnson however to work hard at being the best. I hope CJ doesn't think its automatic because of his skill set. To be a truly great back he will need to work at it.

 

[Avery]

I find this thread kinda ridiculous.

At it's base the "analysis" seems flawed. The OP supposes that Johnson will continue to loose the same number of touches, especially at the goal line, to White plus Ringer will now take even more touches away. How about instead of Ringer keeping the Titans most dynamic player off the field he gets his touches by taking carries away from from the plodding back who is a FA at the end of the season and has shown nothing special in his NFL career instead.

Which scenario do you find more likely?

 

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We know Lendale is already stealing 90% of goalline carries.

2008 Titans Carries inside the opponent's 10 Yard Line
1 LenDale White rb 2008 29 58 2.00 16 14 89.802 Chris Johnson rb 2008 11 17 1.55 4 4 33.803 Ahmard Hall rb 2008 1 0 0.00 0 0 6.60Looks to me like a 30/70 Split

He is a better receiver than CJ

Quantify this please

Fisher has already said that he will have a "three-headed" monster at RB this year...

"Gary Estwick, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans RB Chris Johnson likely will line up in the slot as well as other places this season in order to get him more touches.""On the heels of his highly successful rookie season, the Titans want to put Johnson to work even more this fall. That could mean more carries and more catches, but also more creative ways to get them. The paper reports Johnson could be moved all over the field. "There's places we can move him, routes we can run with him, looks we can do with him that we held back last year because I thought I was stretching him too much,"

I'm not implying that CJ3 is worth an early 1st round pick, but let's not pretend the Tenneessee backfield is going to be going with the New England approach here... Make no mistake about it: This offense is going to increasingly feature it's best player, Chris Johnson. I think FBG has CJ3 right about where he should be (RB5-RB9 range), and in PPR leagues he sneaks into the top 5.

Frankly given the wording of the thread title (coupled with the "covering your ###" escape clauses in the main post), this thread reads like a classic setup for an "I told you so" self-back-patter after CJ's first off week.

 

[switz]

I'm not implying that CJ3 is worth an early 1st round pick, but let's not pretend the Tenneessee backfield is going to be going with the New England approach here... Make no mistake about it: This offense is going to increasingly feature it's best player, Chris Johnson.

Frankly given the wording of the thread title (coupled with the "covering your ###" escape clauses in the main post), this thread reads like a classic setup for an "I told you so" self-back-patter after CJ's first off week.

Honestly, I am so sick of people coming in here, and instead of taking posts at face value, trying to insinuate some ulterior motive to the poster. Dude, even if CJ has a bad week, if it's not because of Ringer stealing carries the OP has nothing to pat his back about. Every freakin' RB has a bad week once in a while. The OP is clearly trying to say that CJ will be limited in touches because Ringer is goign to take them, and that's ludicrous, and no one is going to accept him trying to say he was saying something else. So stop trying to pick fights... your post was "excellent" until the last sentence.

 

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Easy switz... you and I agree on most things, but I'm not trying to pick fights. Just merely making an observation.

I hate that you're "sick of people assuming ulterior motives", but this is the first time this season I've thrown out that accusation and, given the strongly worded tone of the thread title and the ambiguous nature of the post, I feel it was justified. It was far from a personal attack, simply an observation.

I also agree 1000% that bumping this post the first week Ringer grabs a few touches at CJ3's expense is ludicrous...as most RBs DO have off weeks or have their roles shifted slightly in the gameplan to capitalize on strengths/weaknesses of the opponent.

 

[shader]

He is a better receiver than CJ,

Chris Johnson played a lot of WR in college and has shown ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield in the NFL. What are you basing this on?

He has absolutely not shown the ability to be a very good receiver out of the backfield. He dropped or bobbled at least half of the passes that were thrown to him last year.Now obviously with his blazing speed, if he could learn to catch the ball cleanly, he'd be unbelievably dynamic. So the potential is there.

Chris Johnson had 62 targets last year with 43 receptions, that's a 69% reception rate. Lendale White is a greater detriment to his overall FF numbers than his ability, or than your perceived lack there of , to catch the ball. White, or Ringer, will help to extend CJ's football life. He has the physical talent to be unbelievably productive. The team needs to figure out the best way to use his talents. It is on Johnson however to work hard at being the best. I hope CJ doesn't think its automatic because of his skill set. To be a truly great back he will need to work at it.

He dropped or bobbled about half the passes that came his way. There were countless times where him failing to catch the ball cleanly kept him from being able to do anything with it.

 

[shader]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.

Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.

Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.

Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".

Do what you want with the info.

 

[switz]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".Do what you want with the info.

Shader, I appreciate your optimism, but I think you are getting overly excited about a little coachspeak. Sure, Ringer is a hard worker, Fisher likes him, but he's nowhere near the talent of CJ. Plus, they drafted CJ in the first round last year, and he didn't disappoint. There a huge difference between liking a player who has good work ethic, and taking a better player off the field for him. CJ is quite simply the better player, by far.And from your comments about CJs receiving, which was WAY off the mark, it seems like you might just have something against him, not sure what. I don't want to impute bad motives, or anything like that - I'm just guessing based on the bobbled passes comment. As a Tenn fan - that you claim to be - I woudl think you'd seen enough games to know that's just not an accurate statement about CJ.Could Ringer cut into Lendale's plays? Maybe. CJ's? No. It's like in Dallas where a lot of people love Choice, but the reality is, Choice will see very little time. When he does it will be at the expense of Barber, not Jones.I think you are really overreacting on Ringer. Every rookie looks great, coaches love every new player, anyone looks good versus third stringers... Ringer's no exception. He'll be the Titans #3 RB, and rarely see the field.

 

[dapunisher]

Ringer could be the next Gary Russell. Or the next Thomas Clayton. Or the next Tyrell Sutton. Or the next Marcus Mason.

They were all preseason rushing leaders the past few preseasons.

 

[Aardvarks]

Silly thread, bordering on a laugher. Fisher goes straight vanilla in the preseason, especially in the running game where he doesn't want to tip his hand. Stud OLs K Mawae and D. Stewart are resting too. Chris Johnson will be ready to fire away. Downhill all day. Believe it. Javon Ringer? He's going to make the team, that's about it. He'll step up to #2 in 2010 if he keeps progressing.

If you get CJ in the second round you're gonna have one helluva fantasy team..

 

[joffer]

non-factor this year. and i don't own CJ

 

[Fear & Loathing]

guys its preseason and Ringer is getting lots of carries against 3rd stringers, while CJ gets like 5 in the beginning of the game. I wouldnt buy too much into it. I dont think hes a top 5 back, but the bottom third of the first round seems logical for a team that runs the ball like the Titans do.

It will be a major upset if Ringer gets 50 offensive touches this season.

 

[Banger]

I think Ringer has looked really good and as I said after the game on Friday if anything he'll take carries from White and turn White into solely a short yardage back.

 

[The Moz]

People should sleep on Ringer to much. But He won't be taking over for LenDale unless theres an injury. IF he does he could really take off..

Right now - CJIII is the 20-20 back , 3rd down back. Lendale will get maybe 40% of the 20-20 carries and virtually all of the short yardage carries. Ringer might get a mix of everything.

I see an average breakdown as.

CJIII - 19 carries 4-5 receptions

Lendale - 16carries 1 reception

Ringer - 3 carries 1 reception

 

[shader]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".Do what you want with the info.

Shader, I appreciate your optimism, but I think you are getting overly excited about a little coachspeak. Sure, Ringer is a hard worker, Fisher likes him, but he's nowhere near the talent of CJ. Plus, they drafted CJ in the first round last year, and he didn't disappoint. There a huge difference between liking a player who has good work ethic, and taking a better player off the field for him. CJ is quite simply the better player, by far.And from your comments about CJs receiving, which was WAY off the mark, it seems like you might just have something against him, not sure what. I don't want to impute bad motives, or anything like that - I'm just guessing based on the bobbled passes comment. As a Tenn fan - that you claim to be - I woudl think you'd seen enough games to know that's just not an accurate statement about CJ.Could Ringer cut into Lendale's plays? Maybe. CJ's? No. It's like in Dallas where a lot of people love Choice, but the reality is, Choice will see very little time. When he does it will be at the expense of Barber, not Jones.I think you are really overreacting on Ringer. Every rookie looks great, coaches love every new player, anyone looks good versus third stringers... Ringer's no exception. He'll be the Titans #3 RB, and rarely see the field.

Switz, I have watched all 17 Tennessee games that CJ took part in. I'm probably one of the biggest CJ fans in the world and was singing his praises before the year started in 2008. I can say that I have probably seen 99% of his carries and/or receptions since he has joined the team. He had trouble holding onto the ball last year. Many wondered why Kerry rarely looked his way. It's because he either dropped the ball or bobbled the ball countless times. I don't know how I can prove that. Go re-watch all the games on NFL.com if you don't believe me. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. I'm just telling you what most "in-the-know" Titans fans think. The most intelligent Titan fans I've conversed with, the ones whom I respect their opinions the most, all share the same thoughts about CJ. He needs to improve his receiving skills in a big way.

 

[fissure man]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".Do what you want with the info.

He may get some carries, but to the point that it's even worth basing draft position on. What you should be debating, is if you should handcuff Ringer in the event you do draft Johnson. The only thing holding CJ back, is Lendale.

 

[thehornet]

People should sleep on Ringer to much. But He won't be taking over for LenDale unless theres an injury. IF he does he could really take off..

Right now - CJIII is the 20-20 back , 3rd down back. Lendale will get maybe 40% of the 20-20 carries and virtually all of the short yardage carries. Ringer might get a mix of everything.

I see an average breakdown as.

CJIII - 19 carries 4-5 receptions

Lendale - 16carries 1 reception

Ringer - 3 carries 1 reception

The most rushing attempts by a team in the last decade was by the 2002 Steelers when they had 618. You just clocked the Titans to have 608. So basically, you think that the 2009 Titans will be in the mix to set the all time record for most team rushing attempts in a season. These are the Top 3 rushing attempts by a team on record:

681 Oakland, 1977

674 Chicago, 1984

671 New England, 1978

Nuff said.

 

[shader]

I saw an interview with Jeff. He was talking about CJ's first practice. After one run, Fisher and Heimerdinger looked at each other and smiled. He said they knew they had something. He said the exact same thing happened with Ringer. Ringer just ran an entire set of practices with the first unit on Sunday. They are working him into the offense and he is picking the offense up quickly.

He is going to be a part of this offense this year. Yes, he will primarily be stealing carries from Lendale.

However, if CJ wants to stay on the field in passing situations, he better improve his hands.

 

[JamesTheScot]

If Ringer has better hands than CJ, I can see him taking some 3rd downs from CJ.

That hurts CJ, not White. As between CJ and White, I see Ringer more closely approximating CJ's skill set than I do White.

How is Ringer's pass protection compared to CJ's, that may be the decisive factor.

 

[[icon]]

Right now - CJIII is the 20-20 back , 3rd down back. Lendale will get maybe 40% of the 20-20 carries and virtually all of the short yardage carries.

Last year Lendale got 70% of the Goalline carries (not virtually all). Why would that change? Last year Lendale got 38% of the carries between the 20s. If anything I see that going DOWN slightly this year as they have had a full offeason to figure out ways to get the ball into Chris Johnson's hands more (as they intend to do per all preseason reports)

 

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[benm3218]

Everybody coming in here and blasting the OP needs to think about a few things.

1. this guy is a big titans homer and is only pointing out what is happening in practice in preseason, and as a titans fan I can tell you that the buzz on ringer isnt just coach talk, he really has opened eyes at camp in games

2. He didn't say Ringer would take CJ's job, he said in redraft it could be a problem this year for CJ....

Good points and thanks Shader.

 

[two_dollars]

(and I don't have CJ for the record)I should start a thread: "Hey guys, Lovey really likes Garrett Wolfe, Forte better watch out!" haha

 

[fruity pebbles]

Alot of love for a virtual 6th round pick taking away carries from one of the best RBs in the nFL last year.

 

[jwinston2]

(and I don't have CJ for the record)I should start a thread: "Hey guys, Lovey really likes Garrett Wolfe, Forte better watch out!" haha

Except reports are coming out that Ringer is starting to run with the first string offense, especially on 3rd downs. Is Garrett Wolfe?"Rookie running back Javon Ringer got a lot of work with the first team, so it looks like he could get rewarded for his play over the last few weeks. I know I’d sure like to see more of this guy." Source

The OP is just pointing out the buzz that is going on right now in Titan fan circles. I have to agree, everything that I am hearing is that Ringer is getting serious consideration to be incorporated into the offense, albeit currently it will be a very minor role.

 

[SCT]

This may be illegal (?) but it's so relevant I couldn't help it:

"We've all been there. It's preseason and in a thirst for some football, you're watching deep in to the fourth quarter of every game. And without fail, "he" will appear. "He" is that 4th string running back, maybe a rookie or second year player, who just looks AWESOME. Did you see him carry two linebackers for extra yardage? Did you notice that shiftiness as he broke to the outside for a huge gain?

The next day, the coach is raving. His teammates are impressed. The General Manager is talking about "quality depth" and saying things like, "he's a special player." Next thing you know, it's draft day and your spending 11th and 12th round picks on players like Justin Forsett and Javon Ringer. And why wouldn't you? Those guys are tearing it up in the preseason. Even against a third-team defense, they look really, really good. With ability like that, they'll no doubt get some touches this season and if something were to happen to the guy ahead of them, they could pay huge dividends for your squad. Right?

Sorry to be the wet blanket, but you would do yourself a favor not to buy in to the hype. Because while "he" was busy running wild in the preseason, you weren't paying attention to what really matters when it comes to a third or fourth string running back." -Colin Dowling, FBG

 

[DoctorFantasy]

I loved this kid last year and still do. He is a unique talent. However, I think his ADP is getting a little out of hand, especially in re-draft leagues.I personally would want no part of him as my number 1 RB in a re-draft league. Why? Javon Ringer.We know Lendale is already stealing 90% of goalline carries. But I'm telling you guys, Ringer will play. He is too good to keep off the field. He has shown excellent instincts at RB. He is a better receiver than CJ, and I wouldn't be surprised if he starts eating into CJ's playing time a little bit.Fisher has already said that he will have a "three-headed" monster at RB this year...Next year, Lendale will be gone, and CJ's value will go to the moon. But for this year...be careful....

I am not saying Ringer can't be a decent NFL back someday, but lets not get carried away here. I am Spartan fan and live in SE Michigan. Ringer generally had rather limited production last year when he played against the better teams on MSU's schedule. This includes games against Cal, Iowa, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn St, and Georgia where he averaged only a combined 3.0 YPC overall. Until Ringer plays against first team NFL defenses, I am not going to conclude he will cut into Chris Johnson's production anytime soon.

 

[benbadman]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.

Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

 

[flintpanthers]

First off I will say I am not a big CJ3 fan. Yes he is explosive. But there are other factors at play dealing with fantasy. How many of the other top backs got pulled at the goal line last year? Hmm. Who here expects the same result as last year for the Titans? 13-3? Alot more running comes with alot of winning. Not saying they will not win a fair amount of games, but 13-3 will be tough. I believe the Titans reciever core is a bit better this year. Which is not always a bad thing for running backs. You say Ringer will cut into White more than CJ3. Maybe. But I would think you would use Ringer and White on the goal line. Meaning less goal line work for CJ3. Makes sense to bring in fresh legs to pound it in. And maybe my biggest concern is his size. He did very well last year. But even the great W.Dunn was in a split backfield most of his career. CJ3 is great for the Titans. A big homerun threat. But to think he is an everydown guy I just do not ever see that being the case. And as far as White goes, he may just be back next year. He does not have the skill set to be a feature back. The market I feel will lead him to sign with the Titans as he fits their system and needs to a tee.

I take a look at what has happened to Slatons and Portis's value now they they will lose goal line carries and some 3rd down opportunities and can say CJ3 had close to the best year he could have had last year and would not gamble that he can repeat that feat this year.

 

[shader]

lol, you guys are a trip.

Ringer was only a 5th rounder due to injury. He was thought of very highly pre-injury.

The buzz on this guy started WAY before pre-season games.

Feel free to ignore if you'd like.

In one season on this board, CJ has gone from a guy that is too small to succeed (such as when people were mocked for saying he'd be top ten), to a guy that is such a superstud that you can't question any aspect of his game.

Let me put it to you this way: If you draft Chris Johnson ahead of guys like Deangelo Williams (as I've seen in many drafts), you are making a huge mistake. Carry on with the hysterical mocking. Let me know what you think of Ringer next year.

 

[SCT]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Case closed. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[Tyrion]

Agree actually.... Ringer could end up being a poor mans MJD for the Titan's starting next year.

How is Ringer like MJD? He's not quick, not overly elusive, not as agile... has decent vision and hands, but he lacks everything that makes MJD special. That said, I do like Ringer as part of a RBBC.

I don't know the John Ringer your talking about but the guy I saw last Friday night had all of those attributes and he has excellent balance. I didn't know John Ringer's name before the Dallas game but that kid is something special. He was playing against Dallas's 1st team defense and making them look foolish. I still don't know how he returned that kick the way he did. He should have been dead on the 12 yard line. I have Chris Johnson in a keeper league and instead of picking up Lendale this weekend I picked up Ringer at the end of the draft.

 

[jwinston2]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

 

[benm3218]

Take it from someone who regularly attends practice, that Ringer is not a threat to CJ or LenDale. Ringer is fumbling handoffs, muffing kickoff catches, and not running with the first team when it counts. The team is taking the "Tomlinson approach" to their two-headed RB monster at practice, and keeping them fresh and using Ringer, Ganther, Chris Henry and Rafeal Little lots in practice.Now if either of the Titans main RB attack goes down, Ringer will probably get 5-10 touches, and running behind the Titans line will make even a 5th round talent look like a top 20 fantasy back.

Interesting Benbadman, you are the first person I have read write this about Ringer, everyone else that I know that is attending practice is saying he is doing very well. Do you believe this is smoke and mirrors then?

I find it interesting that benbadman follows the Cowboys and is supposedly at Titans practices. Yeah right.

 

[switz]

Obviously there are alot of CJ owners in here.

Look guys I'm a huge CJ fan. However, I'm a bigger fan of the Titans and I'm just letting you guys know what's happening.

Ringer is going to be a very good RB in this league. He's turned heads in camp from the moment he was drafted. Fisher loves him. He's going to eat into Lendale's carries and if CJ isn't careful, he'll eat into his carries as well.

Also, if you actually read my original post, I said "re-draft league". And I also said "I wouldn't be surprised if he started eating into CJ's carries a little bit".

Do what you want with the info.

Shader, I appreciate your optimism, but I think you are getting overly excited about a little coachspeak. Sure, Ringer is a hard worker, Fisher likes him, but he's nowhere near the talent of CJ. Plus, they drafted CJ in the first round last year, and he didn't disappoint. There a huge difference between liking a player who has good work ethic, and taking a better player off the field for him. CJ is quite simply the better player, by far.And from your comments about CJs receiving, which was WAY off the mark, it seems like you might just have something against him, not sure what. I don't want to impute bad motives, or anything like that - I'm just guessing based on the bobbled passes comment. As a Tenn fan - that you claim to be - I woudl think you'd seen enough games to know that's just not an accurate statement about CJ.

Could Ringer cut into Lendale's plays? Maybe. CJ's? No. It's like in Dallas where a lot of people love Choice, but the reality is, Choice will see very little time. When he does it will be at the expense of Barber, not Jones.

I think you are really overreacting on Ringer. Every rookie looks great, coaches love every new player, anyone looks good versus third stringers... Ringer's no exception. He'll be the Titans #3 RB, and rarely see the field.

Switz, I have watched all 17 Tennessee games that CJ took part in. I'm probably one of the biggest CJ fans in the world and was singing his praises before the year started in 2008. I can say that I have probably seen 99% of his carries and/or receptions since he has joined the team. He had trouble holding onto the ball last year. Many wondered why Kerry rarely looked his way. It's because he either dropped the ball or bobbled the ball countless times. I don't know how I can prove that. Go re-watch all the games on NFL.com if you don't believe me. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. I'm just telling you what most "in-the-know" Titans fans think.

The most intelligent Titan fans I've conversed with, the ones whom I respect their opinions the most, all share the same thoughts about CJ. He needs to improve his receiving skills in a big way.

He was targetted 62 times, that's @ 4 times a game. I'm not sure how that's "rarely" for a RB to be targeted. Either you're expecting way too much out of CJ, or don't have a realistic view of how MOST RBs are used in the passing game, or something... it's just what you say doesn't add up to what most people here on these boards have seen with CJ. I'm not sure why.