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Chris Young throws at DLee head.. (1 Viewer)
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Widbil83
Footballguy
How is Lee not the bad guy here? 
It's not like Lee threw the first punch or anything.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I was more impressed with Marcus Giles moving the big man back like he was hitting the football sled.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
GB the perception of a
D Lee always seem like a good guy, but was 100% world class punk today
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
This scene reminded me of about twenty years ago when Eric Show beaned Andre Dawson at Wrigley Field, and the Hawk was looking to kick some serious Padre ###.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Pretty obvious he threw at Lee's head because of Soriano yesterday. It was all over the papers that that Padres wanted to drill someone because of it. You intentionally throw at someone's head, you better be ready to fight. Especially when you mouth off to him when he's walking to first base.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
Why? Neither guy landed any punches.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
Exactly. I'm surprised Lee kept his composure as long as he did. This was an intentional retaliation to Soriano showing the Padres up. It's all a part of the great game of baseball.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Yup. Both guys were stupid, I'm just glad none of those punches landed. For the Cubs, they just got off from a series with the Braves where they were drilled a number of times and were not able to retaliate. I'm sure they, as a team, were ready to rock and roll if anything like that happened again.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
huh?So in retaliation for Soriano's antics, Young waits until the 4th inning, on a 1-2 count, to drill Derrick Lee?That makes absolutely no sense. The game was scoreless, the Padres are in a dogfight for 1st place, and the count was in Young's favor. If he wanted to drill Lee, he'd do it on the first pitch. You don't give Lee an opportunity to do damage (a couple strikes) before drilling him.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Why not drill Sori anyway?
Knightro
Footballguy
Does anyone know what Young said? You can read Lee's lips where he says, "Oh, is that right?" before he steps up and starts swinging. Young looked like he had apologetic body language in whatever he was saying. Great game yesterday - too bad Big Z had to lose after throwing a 2 hitter like that.
Agree 100%
amphibianbri
Footballguy
Agree with what was said about this not being intentional, especially given the situation. My question is this after watching the video several times. Did anyone notice that this fight started half way between the mound and the baseline? BEfore the talking even started, what in the heck is he (Lee) doing so far into the field of play. Additionally, who cares what Young or Lee said? You are grown men, quit acting like you are two and play the game.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Lee was mouthing off and walking toward Young and Young told him "take your base". Lee said something else and Young told him the beaning wasn't intentional, and then Lee started swinging.
BigA
Footballguy
all you padre backer zip it. it would be the perfect time to do something like that and say you didnt mean it..plus you dont throw at someones head.... 
amphibianbri
Footballguy
This is so Cub fan like. Fine. Let's say they should fight. Why is Lee taking a full 60 seconds to charge the mound and then go hide behind Pinella as soon as Young fights back? NOw on Chicago sports radio today, they are saying Lee should get no suspension because he's a good guy and needs to be able to defned himself. OK. Fine. Let's make this like hockey. Let Lee go to the mound and fight Young, and allow only the four umps to break them up. You come out of the dugout, you are suspended. But good grief, if you want to fight, then fight, don't take the scenic route so you can hide behind your manager. BTW, why wouldn't they throw at Soriano instead?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
yeah. "take your base" while Lee is walking 10 feet inside the baseline is "mouthing off".
Capella
Footballguy
yeah. "take your base" while Lee is walking 10 feet inside the baseline is "mouthing off".
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I don't know. If some guy hit me in the head with a high, inside fastball and then talked crap about it as I took my base, I think I might take a swing at him myself. Doesn't make it right, but it does sound reasonable. Seems hard to believe that Lee got the same suspension that Young got.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
I've always wondered,what's the official mlb rules on this?If part of your body is in the strikezone and I was a pitcher,I would just bean you everytime.
Jayrod
Footballguy
The batter must attempt to get out of the way. I don't know what the rule is if he doesn't (strike, no pitch or out?), but I know that is the rule. Also, if you throw a strike up and in, not only will Bonds get out of the way, but he will swing and hit the crap out of it. I hate that cheater, but he can still do it.I've always wondered,what's the official mlb rules on this?If part of your body is in the strikezone and I was a pitcher,I would just bean you everytime.
Night Hawks
Footballguy
And yeah, I"m a homer, blah, blah, blah.TGunz, you REALLY don't think it was intentional?? After Peavy and Wells pretty much told everybody it was going to happen? My question is what the hell were the umpire and catcher doing? With the crap in the papers, they should have been there to get in between Lee and Young. Anyway, isn't that kind of the umpire's unwritten responsibility?Lee was going to first base then Young said something smart ### after he just threw at Lee's head (sorry, at the very least, after Lee felt he threw at his head). If I'm Lee, and I THINK Young threw at my head, and then Young mouths off, yeah, I"m swinging. Who is right? Neither of the guys. But that's why it happened. Lee's always been a good guy. Those who dismiss that as just homer-ism are ridiculous. Another question I have, however, is why did Marcus Giles get fined? He seemed to be a peacemaker in the whole incident.As for the fines and suspensions, it's always uneven because starting pitchers should get like 15 games to every 5 for a position player. In this case (and most cases), the SP only misses one start. And if a coach were creative, he might not miss any.
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I agree you're a homer, like most people, you see what you want to see and everyone else is wrongNight Hawks said:
If it was intentional, why did Young do it on a 1-2 pitch and in a 0-0 game?Night Hawks said:
The catcher and umpire were arguing over if the ball hit the knob on Lee's bat. They couldn't do anythign till it was too late.Night Hawks said:
Who said Young mouthed off? Lee thought Young intentionally threw at his head so he walked up the line staring. Young told him to "take his base" and when Lee started walking toward him you can CLEARLY read Young's lips say "i wasn't trying to throw at you". and then the punches were thrown.Night Hawks said:
Brian Giles, on the DL, was the one fined. Not his brother, Marcus.Night Hawks said:
That's why Lee is the stupid one here. His suspension will hurt his team more than Young's suspension.Night Hawks said:
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Night Hawks
Footballguy
OK, I can't do the fancy quote breakups and whatnot so I'll just go point by point.I agree you're a homer, like most people, you see what you want to see and everyone else is wrongNight Hawks said:If it was intentional, why did Young do it on a 1-2 pitch and in a 0-0 game?Night Hawks said:The catcher and umpire were arguing over if the ball hit the knob on Lee's bat. They couldn't do anythign till it was too late.Night Hawks said:Who said Young mouthed off? Lee thought Young intentionally threw at his head so he walked up the line staring. Young told him to "take his base" and when Lee started walking toward him you can CLEARLY read Young's lips say "i wasn't trying to throw at you". and then the punches were thrown.Night Hawks said:Brian Giles, on the DL, was the one fined. Not his brother, Marcus.Night Hawks said:That's why Lee is the stupid one here. His suspension will hurt his team more than Young's suspension.Night Hawks said:
Really, admitting I am a homer was just trying to cut off what I KNEW the responses would be regardless of what my statements were. Yeah, the Cubs are my team. So does that mean I shouldn't respond?Intentional vs. unintentional ... i seriously can't discern. My thought is it was intentional. Regardless of count and score, it was early. Had they hit Soriano or Lee in teh first, it would have been way too obvious. I don't think pitchers are stupid. They know how things look. Look at Ted Lilly getting thrown out in the first inning against the Braves. But, KingG, I"m sure that one was justified, right?The umpire and catcher couldn't do anything until it was too late ... yeah, that was kind of my point. Both should have jumped out in between Lee and Young like all other catchers and umpires do in that situation to avoid things like that. I am not bagging on the catcher as much as I don't get why the umpire didn't jump out there. But then again, I"m probably one of those homers who unfairly criticizes umpires.Yeah, this homer also saw Young walking toward Lee when he should stay on or near the mound. The "I wasn't throwing at you" went along with the gesture that you clearly objective viewers missed. Basically telling him #### and go to first base. If I was Lee and (as I said before) THOUGHT he threw at my head, that gesture would have set me off as well. Again, like I said, neither of the guys is right. Should Lee have been walking and yapping on the way to first base? No. But he thought he was thrown at. Should YOung have been walking toward Lee? No. But he felt Lee was challenging him and he didn't back down.As for Lee being the stupid one here, sure, you can have that one. Doesn't change a thing. I still stand by my thing about 15 for 5 games or something. Not sure where in that last graph I indicated anything differently. Of course, you were probably blinded by the homer thing.As for Giles, my mistake. I'm glad Marcus didn't get anything. Did anybody catch what Brian Giles and Gerald Perry did?I heard Perry was punching Peavy as soon as Peavy took Lee down from the back.Don't know what Giles did.Young admitted today that if he wanted to throw at someone it would have been Soriano and not Lee. He also said he's not holding a grudge against Lee.Either way it should be fun to see if this thing lingers into the next Cubs-Padres series.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
They don't play again until 2008.Either way it should be fun to see if this thing lingers into the next Cubs-Padres series.
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Should be fun now that Barrett is a PADRE!
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amphibianbri
Footballguy
It was just plain stupid on both their parts and they both got what they deserved. Young didn't need to tell Lee to get down to first and grab his "stuff" as he said it, but Lee didn't need to be barking at the mound either. As I said before, simple way to fix this is to let the two guys go who are directly involved, let the umps (home plate ump should have escorted Lee anyways once he took the "scenic" route) break up and any fights and leave it at that. BTW, I hope neither of them take up a career later in boxing because I don't see how you can miss 6'10" and 6'5" guys when you are standing right by each other 
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