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love this guy
Warpig
Footballguy
Ugh...still more coach speak. Sure, he's progressing well...but seems like baby steps. Fantasy owners don't have time for all of this. Basically, nothing has changed for Michael...still 3rd on the depth chart as he's always been.
I'm starting to worry about holding on to him (in leagues where contract years are involved). So he probably gets a few carries here and there again this year barring an injury to Turbin or Lynch.
We all assume next year will be his year...how many thought "this" year would be his year? How long do we wait? Who's to say they don't draft yet another talented back (or two) next year and we are revisiting the same things with Michael next year? Who's to say this doesn't turn into an ugly RBBC next year?
I wanna put a 4 yr contract on this guy, but my gut is now telling me to slow my roll. I paid dearly to acquire him since I bought in to the hype...but his inconsistency is killing him...AND me. He turns 25 next year...still young by all means but another year not knowing what his role will be.
I'm starting to worry about holding on to him (in leagues where contract years are involved). So he probably gets a few carries here and there again this year barring an injury to Turbin or Lynch.
We all assume next year will be his year...how many thought "this" year would be his year? How long do we wait? Who's to say they don't draft yet another talented back (or two) next year and we are revisiting the same things with Michael next year? Who's to say this doesn't turn into an ugly RBBC next year?
I wanna put a 4 yr contract on this guy, but my gut is now telling me to slow my roll. I paid dearly to acquire him since I bought in to the hype...but his inconsistency is killing him...AND me. He turns 25 next year...still young by all means but another year not knowing what his role will be.
biju
Footballguy
Not me. But keep in mind I'm a happy and patient Lynch owner (and not in a contract league) so I don't necessarily care one way or the other. If I were you I would continue to believe the talent.
Warpig
Footballguy
Funny thing is I was in a bidding war for him. Now that I have him I don't think I'd be able to get much for him. Forced to hold him now.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I drafted him with expectations of watching him sit for the next 2-3 years. Then in 2015-16 I expected to see a battle between he and Turbin with Lynch leaving the team in some way. If anyone took him with the intention of starting him right year N+1 then I think their expectations were too high.Warpig said:
EBF
Footballguy
Ditto. If you're the type of owner who felt comfortable paying a pretty high price for Michael prior to this or last season then chances are you also have some patience because immediate impact has never looked likely, apart from that brief window where Lynch was flirting with a hold out.
It's slightly disappointing that they continue to utilize Turbin, but Michael has looked like a strong talent throughout the preseason regardless. The fact that they've made a clear point to get him in with Wilson and the first team offense at times also indicates that they rate him pretty highly. It seems like his spot on the depth chart is primarily down to trust issues with the small things and the finer points. I think those skills are a lot more learnable than the actual running/receiving talent, where he appears to have an edge over Turbin. Add it all up and he's still a dynasty buy/hold from my perspective.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
He had a really low wonderlic score and doesn't come across as the most academic guy. He does seem to have a positive personality though. He might not be a genius, but I don't think there's any indication that he's a mental case like Maurice Clarett or Lawrence Phillips.
Michael scored an 11 on the wonderlic. That definitely puts him on the low end of his class. Here are the bottom performers from last year:
7 Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
9 Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
9 Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
10 Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
11 Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
11 Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
12 Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
Michael pulled a hamstring and will be sitting out the final preseason game.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/08/27/seahawks-rb-christine-michael-to-miss-preseason-finale/
http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/08/27/seahawks-rb-christine-michael-to-miss-preseason-finale/
karmarooster
Footballguy
Frank Gore scored a 6. Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48. The wonderlic is almost completely irrelevant in general, and especially for a RB.
He was never going to get his shot this year, but next year, anyways. Lynch is his main problem, not "between his ears."
And Mo Clarette is completely different... his issues weren't that he had a low wonderlic, but that he drank vodka in his gatorade at practice.
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I realize that Lynch is his main problem. However, he isn't doing the right things, despite his talent, to overtake Turbin let alone Lynch. Learning takes time, and given his "11", it might take him even MORE time to process the game. He's playing with the big/fast boys now...talent helps, but so does experience....and a quick functioning brain wouldn't hurt either.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Fixed it for ya. Seems like the whole fervor over Michael is calming a bit. I don't have a horse in this race but Robert Turbin has shown he IS the heir apparent to Lynch.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
LOL, right ?
Total farce with the biuld up of CM. Should have sold early in training camp, although there are still the myopic owners who will pay a king's ransom for CM now.
SELL SELL SELL
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Just asked what he got to see if we might surmise how bright the kid is (or isn't). I don't hear anyone making any excuses. Care to share YOUR wonderlic score, jurb?
jurb26
Footballguy
Something between 0 and 50 with 50 being as meaningless as 0.Just asked what he got to see if we might surmise how bright the kid is (or isn't). I don't hear anyone making any excuses. Care to share YOUR wonderlic score, jurb?
valhallan
Footballguy
Nah, just an interesting, likely unrelated point.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I think it has some relation. I mean the most appropriate comp for all of Seattle's backups is Lynch, is it not? I also think the point is moot now but probably was another valuable piece of info when people wanted to proclaim him king this offseason. I haven't tested the waters yet but I would be curious to see what the price tab is now if I could pair him with Turbin or Lynch.
jurb26
Footballguy
Frank Gore (who has a legit learning disability) scored perhaps the worst Wonderlic score ever, 6. He's had no issues adapting to the NFL as a RB.
Also, RB as a position score the lowest of all positions in the NFL on the Wonderlic averaging a 16.
Also, RB as a position score the lowest of all positions in the NFL on the Wonderlic averaging a 16.
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False Start
Footballguy
So how are people feeling about a #3 RB on the depth chart after two full preseasons? Do people finally realize he is not Barry Sanders just because Rotoworld says so?
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
Bryce Brown currently sits #4 on the depth chart in Buffalo, and I would feel a lot better rostering him in a dynasty league than Jackson or Dixon.
It doesn't matter where things stand now for dynasty leaguers. It only starts to matter when Lynch goes down or leaves town. Beyond that, I don't see why anyone rostering Michael at the moment would feel worse about it now than when they originally drafted him. He looks good running the ball. He looks good catching the ball. He looks better protecting the passer. He's kept out of trouble. The coaching staff seems to like him a lot and value him.
It seems like a pretty safe bet that he's going to get a chance to carry the mail at some point in his career. When that time comes, he'll have even more value than he currently does before he ever steps on the field.
Given all that, I'm guessing most of the people who are rostering him are feeling pretty good about it.
False Start
Footballguy
I have no doubt, people have been blind to the fact he just isnt really that good. Hype is driving this train, it has to be, because over a season and two preseasons and camps and OTAs... The superstar who is Michael still sits third on the depth chart with all these high expectations, and you feel good about it?
He cant beat out Turbin yet, people need to jump of this train.
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
We haven't yet hit week 1 in his second NFL season yet. Seems pretty early in his career to be calling that shot.
I'd recommend executing a tuck and roll for your own safety when you bail off the train, but something tells me that you never boarded it in the first place, or that you bailed a long time ago.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
If he doesn't pass Turbin and / or make the active roster and start seeing a few carries as a backup by the end of this year, it'll be a pretty significant red flag. As of right now, it's not a huge deal IMO.
That said, it's pretty hard to even imagine an "Adrian Peterson level running talent" sitting in a 3rd string role for over a year. Great combine athlete =/= great football player.
That said, it's pretty hard to even imagine an "Adrian Peterson level running talent" sitting in a 3rd string role for over a year. Great combine athlete =/= great football player.
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
I agree with that in general.
I feel like it's pretty common for talented runners to come out of college raw in the passing game. RBs of that ilk who are drafted into less talented backfields have to refine that aspect of their game on the job (or split time in a RBBC). In more talented backfields, they sit until they round out their game, or until a slot opens ahead of them. It's hardly the giant red flag that some people are making it out to be in here.
If he's still in that situation three years after being drafted when Lynch is (probably) gone, then that speaks volumes. As things currently stand? Not so much.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Lol. I'm holding thanks, and I'd be perfectly willing to pay a 2015 2nd rounder to a disgruntled owner in other leagues.
When I drafted him I knew he was blocked for 2 years. So far his coaches say he's better than Turbin but is too inconsistent. I'll take the risk that'll he'll learn enough in his 2nd year plus OTAs and TC/PS next year to utilize that talent.
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When I drafted him I knew he was blocked for 2 years. So far his coaches say he's better than Turbin but is too inconsistent. I'll take the risk that'll he'll learn enough in his 2nd year plus OTAs and TC/PS next year to utilize that talent.
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KellysHeroes
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if you can get him for a 2nd that's robbery, hes still worth a 1st IMO and many people holding him probably still feel this way. Seattle likes Turbin and hes better than people expected him to be.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Absolutely agree with this. In fact, even though I'm probably considered a Michael "hater" by the fan bois, I'd send a random future 1st for him in most situations.
The issue is that a single random future 1st probably isn't enough to even get talks started with many / most Michael owners. A pretty large subset of them are convinced he's a can't miss generational talent, which seems pretty unlikely.
False Start
Footballguy
Talent rises to the top, and if a great combine athlete can pass players like Turbin who many say is not special through two preseasons a full season OTAs and training camps and mini camps... its already a red flag. Still shocked people continue to bite the high praise. It is your choice to like him, feel free.
Athletes who recieve the praise this guy has in this thread should not be a #3 RB behind a guy like Turbin after that amount of time.
Sorry if it seems I'm trolling, but just hate seeing people get bit by guys liek this and David Wilson. Meaning guys who have not done anything to deserve their high praise getting treated like stars.
False Start
Footballguy
I am in the same park as you. Many would consider me a hater, but I have Lynch and Turbin and have been trying to send something for Michael (2nd rounder at the best for insurance.)
There is a difference between not liking a guy and being a smart fantasy owner. You can not like Michael yet still want to acquire him for insurance because good owners know anything can happen. But with Michael, expectations should now come back to earth is all I'm saying. Which is, he is still a #3 RB behind a stud coming into his second year and even his performance on the field says he is nothing more.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
If he's what you are sure he is to the point of trying to convince others that he's fools gold, it is completely inconsistent that you're willing to pay a future 2nd rounder for him.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Also agree with Bronco there.
The only reason I wouldn't trade Michael for a random first is that it might reset the clock in terms of my wait. Not all rookies produce right away and with Michael you get to find out a year from now what you have. If Lynch is gone you'll find out what you need to know one way or another. With a 2015 rookie it might be 2017 before you're in the same position.
False Start
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yeah, I can read, thanks. My comment was aimed at the context after what you had said in the immediately preceding post. I guess I should have quoted that too.False Start said:Bronco Billy said:
jaisonline
Footballguy
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
A healthy scratch is pretty telling on opening night. I don't know if he had a minor injury, perhaps the fans know more. I'm a fan of his potential but a healthy scratch is a player I would prefer to either see on someone else's roster or on the waiver wire but not on my redraft team.
jurb26
Footballguy
Talent so big that it can't not safely be released to the universe on game day. It will fold upon itself and implode. I kid.
Seriously, why is he a scratch for this game?
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
Not sure but I saw it on NFLN. I assume it's a healthy scratch.
My issue or something I want to understand is why isn't he at least useful to give Lynch a breather. If he is as good as advertised then you would assume the coach wants him close by on speed dial. Not even suiting up is puzzling.
The Man With No Name
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Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
You are correct and I want to correct myself. I just found the info on a site. I hope he gets better but a lingering hamstring is nothing to cheer about either. But it's better than if he were healthy and simply not suiting up.
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