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I don't think adding Gus signifies anything. When Michael first showed up he practiced behind Gus, who was on the PS then. Has Michael actually moved ahead of him? I mean actually, factually at practice.

Also criticizing Randle in that game is crazy. That was a division rivalry slobberknocker and Philly has a great front.

 
Thanks for the responses. I put a waiver out on Lewis dropping CMike. Might not even go through anyway
But IF it does and Dallas announces they've activated CMike just a few hours later... woo-boy is that gonna be a bad morning for you! :excited:

 
Surprising blurb at PFF







Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
 
Getting Leary back will be huge. But I still think the improvement needs to come from the backs. While the line isn't as dominating as most projected them to be--they're still giving the backs a chance to make something happen. They're providing some push and at least keeping the LOS neutral.

"The key there for the Cowboys is making them miss. They’ve broken only seven tackles on 51 carries this season. Their starter, Joseph Randle, has graded out as only the 24th most-elusive running back this season. That is a problem. If the Cowboys RBs can’t make the first defender miss or at least drag him for a while, the running game will be shut down through no fault of the offensive line." - Wash Post 9/22/15

 
Funny how both the Dallas and philly situations are answering the age old question...is it the oline or the rb? I'd say it's a little of both

 
Surprising blurb at PFF



Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
Certainly not objectively based on some of the comments.

Getting Leary back will be huge. But I still think the improvement needs to come from the backs. While the line isn't as dominating as most projected them to be--they're still giving the backs a chance to make something happen. They're providing some push and at least keeping the LOS neutral.

"The key there for the Cowboys is making them miss. They’ve broken only seven tackles on 51 carries this season. Their starter, Joseph Randle, has graded out as only the 24th most-elusive running back this season. That is a problem. If the Cowboys RBs can’t make the first defender miss or at least drag him for a while, the running game will be shut down through no fault of the offensive line." - Wash Post 9/22/15
...which is a higher rate than DeMarco Murray had last season...

 
Surprising blurb at PFF

Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
Certainly not objectively based on some of the comments.
Getting Leary back will be huge. But I still think the improvement needs to come from the backs. While the line isn't as dominating as most projected them to be--they're still giving the backs a chance to make something happen. They're providing some push and at least keeping the LOS neutral.

"The key there for the Cowboys is making them miss. They’ve broken only seven tackles on 51 carries this season. Their starter, Joseph Randle, has graded out as only the 24th most-elusive running back this season. That is a problem. If the Cowboys RBs can’t make the first defender miss or at least drag him for a while, the running game will be shut down through no fault of the offensive line." - Wash Post 9/22/15
...which is a higher rate than DeMarco Murray had last season...
Using dominant in the same sentence as the Dal oline based on THIS years performance is disingenuous. They have been nothing of the sort so far. Yeah, they were last year but that was... Last year. It's only been 2 games and they can certainly get back to form. I don't think we are going to see last year like effectiveness, though. Romo and Dez being out only compound the issue.

 
Well, it is painfully obvious that Randle is just a guy and McFadden is worse than that. They should be 4.5-5 YPC with that line. So I understand the hypothesis.

 
IIRC (and I may not...) Collins got a good bit of playing time in place of Bernadeau. If he takes over he and Smith should be blowing holes open.
I hate to report this but had La'el been a first or second rounder he'd be a pretty big disappointment. He wouldn't have made the active roster two weeks in a row had Leary been healthy. He was well behind Mackenzy in practice last week. He's missed a ton of assignments and has pretty big issues in pass pro and basic play calling concepts. I went to a bunch of Cowboy practices in Oxnard and while the raw athleticism is there, the coaches were visibly frustrated every time.

 
Surprising blurb at PFF

Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys’ runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
I didn't get to watch the game but this is the consistent analysis I've read. That DMC didn't look great but that Randle shook some tackles and did most of his work after contact. Never good to take stats at face-value.
Seems pretty spot on. Randle consistently was getting hit at the line but made moves and spins / kept churning his legs to gain an extra 2-3 yards each time. The O-line is def not what I expected it would be so far.
He didn't even avg 3 yds per carry
Finding an extre 2-3 yards when there's nothing to begin with will keep your average below 3.
Randle broke his first 2 or 3 tackles of the season, but wasn't close to adding 2-3 yards to each carry. He looked like an average RB and below average starter.
OK, maybe not each time..... but the Eagles D was dominating the Dallas O-line. I have watched both games closely and IMO Randle always pushes and spins for a few exrtra yards when possible and Mcfadden runs into a pile and falls down unless there is a large hole in front of him. I own both so I have no major bias. Randle is no AP or Jamaal Charles, but I think he has been playing well. The Dallas Oline just needs to block better, it would be interesting to compare yards before contact from the first two weeks of the season to last season.
:lmao" WTF?

 
IIRC (and I may not...) Collins got a good bit of playing time in place of Bernadeau. If he takes over he and Smith should be blowing holes open.
I hate to report this but had La'el been a first or second rounder he'd be a pretty big disappointment. He wouldn't have made the active roster two weeks in a row had Leary been healthy. He was well behind Mackenzy in practice last week. He's missed a ton of assignments and has pretty big issues in pass pro and basic play calling concepts. I went to a bunch of Cowboy practices in Oxnard and while the raw athleticism is there, the coaches were visibly frustrated every time.
Only because he cant find playing time on a line full of veterans and studs. On most teams he would be starting. He'll come along, hyperbole be damned.

 
I put in a FAAB bid of 75% tonight. I don't want some other shark to scoop this guy up. Once he's active he is going to get his shot and never look back, even if he gets 2 carries he's going to explode for at least 225 yards!

 
Surprising blurb at PFF



Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
Agreed. Any post in here talking about how great the OL is and how they just need Michael isn't watching. I posted earlier in here after week 1 and week 2 that the OL looked terrible based on all the hype of how good they were. The RBs may not be as good as Murray, but the OL blocking certainly isn't close to last year.

 
Surprising blurb at PFF



Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
Agreed. Any post in here talking about how great the OL is and how they just need Michael isn't watching. I posted earlier in here after week 1 and week 2 that the OL looked terrible based on all the hype of how good they were. The RBs may not be as good as Murray, but the OL blocking certainly isn't close to last year.
People seem to forget that Randle avg 6.7 you behind last years line. Obviously this year is different for a variety of reasons. The only two reasons anyone thinks Michael can come in and wow is either desperate for help on their team or is just hoping for that "I told you so" moment

 
Well, it is painfully obvious that Randle is just a guy and McFadden is worse than that. They should be 4.5-5 YPC with that line. So I understand the hypothesis.
Again, if you are serious, you need to watch the games. No one is averaging 4.5-5 ypc behind the line that we saw week 1 and 2.

 
Surprising blurb at PFF



Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
Agreed. Any post in here talking about how great the OL is and how they just need Michael isn't watching. I posted earlier in here after week 1 and week 2 that the OL looked terrible based on all the hype of how good they were. The RBs may not be as good as Murray, but the OL blocking certainly isn't close to last year.
People seem to forget that Randle avg 6.7 you behind last years line. Obviously this year is different for a variety of reasons. The only two reasons anyone thinks Michael can come in and wow is either desperate for help on their team or is just hoping for that "I told you so" moment
I'm not either one of those i have solid 2 RB's but if i can get a third out of micheal that would be great. I really would like to see him succeed and do great with the cowboys but if he doesn't it is what it is and ill end up just cutting him and picking up the next flier. Hopefully he becomes something though becomes it would be nice to have 3 rb1's on my roster with a solid wr core.

 
So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.

 
Surprising blurb at PFF



Not a banner day for the Cowboys run blocking. Unfortunately for them their best run blocker on the day, left tackle Tyron Smith (+2.5), was aligned right next to their worst, left guard Mackenzy Bernadeau (-3.2), meaning they could never string enough blocks together for a crease. As such, the Cowboys runners were forced to gain 78 of their 113 yards after contact.
How is this surprising? Are people watching the games?
Agreed. Any post in here talking about how great the OL is and how they just need Michael isn't watching. I posted earlier in here after week 1 and week 2 that the OL looked terrible based on all the hype of how good they were. The RBs may not be as good as Murray, but the OL blocking certainly isn't close to last year.
People seem to forget that Randle avg 6.7 you behind last years line. Obviously this year is different for a variety of reasons. The only two reasons anyone thinks Michael can come in and wow is either desperate for help on their team or is just hoping for that "I told you so" moment
You mean how someone above suggested trading away Randle (a starting RB with an OL that should play better) and keeping a RB that hasn't been active yet?

 
So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO

 
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So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO
+1

 
So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO
+1
:fishing:
 
So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO
+1
:fishing:
god that offer made me angry.

 
So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO
+1
:fishing:
god that offer made me angry.
I think he has a better shot at L Bell. I mean Bell has zero fantasy points this year, his owner is bound to be frustrated and a guy like c mike can totally turn his season around. Worth the risk IMO
 
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So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO
+1
:fishing:
lol, no way....that dude was serious

 
So what's his trade value? I've got him in both leagues and I'm looking to move him. I've got the 8 spot on the waiver wire, so I'm thinking of offering that up with C-Mike for someone off to a slow start. Maybe a frustrated AJ Green owner, maybe Travis Kelce - I mean, I'm realistic and know I'm asking a lot, but I think this is a good starting point.
You gonna offer an inactive RB with 52 career attempts and 0 TDs to owners of known commodities such as AJ Green and Travis Kelce? LOL. It's not a good starting point if you actually want the other owner to take you seriously. I don't know about you, but when I get offered crap like that, I tend to not want to deal with the other owner at all. You'll have to sweeten that trade up a bit to get considered seriously IMO
+1
:fishing:
lol, no way....that dude was serious
Nope

 
There should be nothing to talk about anymore. His potential was broken along with Dez's foot and Romo's collarbone. The Cowboys are gonna have a very sucky offense that no RB can thrive in, certainly not fantasy-wise. He's not even active for games. Best case scenario this year: Dez and Romo come back and C-Mike gets to make an impact in December

 
There should be nothing to talk about anymore. His potential was broken along with Dez's foot and Romo's collarbone. The Cowboys are gonna have a very sucky offense that no RB can thrive in, certainly not fantasy-wise. He's not even active for games. Best case scenario this year: Dez and Romo come back and C-Mike gets to make an impact in December
lol that's not true at all. He'll have at least some sort of value at worst.

 
Theres probably more than enough info for real experts to sift through for a pretty solid conclusion..

I recently just seen mention that the Coach was looking for a closer, when he picked up CMike..

Personally, I don't know if closing out games has become even more dire OR not the least bit relevant.. :boxing:

Okay, IF we get the lead? We need to manage the Ball/Clock Or Okay, lets evaluate all personnel both on and off the field.. We don't stand a chance in He,,

Regardless It almost sounds like in a best case scenario? It doesn't sound like the Coach is/was hoping to find an every-down RB.

It goes w/o saying though that roles can change based on in game performance.. So Closer to start, does have a certain ring too it... :thumbup:

 
Well, it is painfully obvious that Randle is just a guy and McFadden is worse than that. They should be 4.5-5 YPC with that line. So I understand the hypothesis.
I might drop Randle for Michael. I've got RB depth and I'm 2-0, why not do it for the upside?
Because the upside resides with the guy who is actually playing?
wrong answer.

The correct answer is good idea...better idea, find a Randle fanboy, you know...kind of like some of the blowhards in this thread, and trade him with a another rb or wr for an upgrade...then pick up the CMike lotto ticket
Nah......I did the right thing dropping Michael for David Johnson. Then inserting Johnson into Randle's spot in my starting lineup.

 
This whole idea, real or not, was a lot more exciting when it involved an offense driven by Romo and Dez Bryant. Now hypothetically MegaMike, were he to get his chance, would be doing it with Weeden/Cassell throwing to Willliams/Beasley. This is pretty much a 180 in terms of situation.

 
Wonderllama said:
There should be nothing to talk about anymore. His potential was broken along with Dez's foot and Romo's collarbone. The Cowboys are gonna have a very sucky offense that no RB can thrive in, certainly not fantasy-wise. He's not even active for games. Best case scenario this year: Dez and Romo come back and C-Mike gets to make an impact in December
Idk, I have a pretty good beer recipe we could talk about

 
The AJ Green and Kelce owners weren't interested in CMike. In fact, one of them never heard of Michael, ####### guppies. I let them know I'm gonna want a lot more after his first game of 3 carries for 14 yards, bc we all know it'll be followed by him being named the bellcow. From that point on, he'll be a top 3 RB.

I'm debating putting him in my lineup this week regardless of his status, you know, trying to create a buzz.

 
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