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that's concerning for play in the near term. You'd expect that they'd give him some 1st team snaps if they are contemplating making that move. What Michael owners have to hope for is an awufl weekend by Randle/McFadden this weekend and probably next...if they are good/very good and break some runs it just extends any possibility of Michael getting a shot by weeks.
What?!
I think you may need to get your eyes checked.I'm holding Michael in my deep redraft league with 10 bench spots. I'm not expecting anything from him until after the bye week at the earliest and even then I think he's a long shot to have any FF impact.
I don't quite understand the fascination. I get that everyone loves potential but I've watched some of his tape and don't really see a special player.
Dallas' O-line has not played as well this year but Randle has looked relatively good to me. He's nothing special either but he's starting and getting snaps and touches. McFadden provides a path to some snaps for Michael but he obviously has to get active first.
With Romo and Dez missing considerable time the potential upside is severely compromised and again, I must be missing something, but I don't see all of the talent that others see in Michael. Admittedly I havent watched a lot of him but I don't know. I'll continue to hold him since my league has such deep benches and a limit on FA pickups but I'm not holding my breath.
Wishful thinking but maybe let's not bump this until there is some actual news to report?
Dude you think Randle looks good but in the limited action he's gotten Christine Michael doesn't?
Thanks, I've seen that 5 minute clip half of which is C-Mike rapping and flossing a gold chain, doesn't include a single TD, and includes a nice move making defenders who were going half speed in practice miss. In the few funs from actual NFL games I do see some nice ability to finish runs, decent burst when he puts his foot in ground but nothing special at all. Care to share some analysis on what is particularly impressive in that clip?
Agreed.
The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
Randle had over 100 yards from scrimmage week 1 and 60 last week. First game was actually pretty decent and he got a TD chance taken away (maybe 2) because the play action worked flawlessly for Romo and then Witten was posting up on the Giants with ease. Last week was not that great, but he held onto the ball and the cowboys won the game. People are freaking out because Randle is not running the ball like Murray was last year to start the season. Maybe Dallas' line isn't as great any more. Do I think he's a great running back? Not right now, but he hasn't been as terrible as C Mike lover will lead you to believe and it's only been TWO games that the Cowboys WON.
You'll be back. Book it brohan.
I'm not a C-Mike lover at all. How has Randle not been terrible? He's averaging 3.4 YPC and not breaking tackles or otherwise making people miss.
CM has looked very good?Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
No, you're not alone at all. Watching the same clips and highlights I can find or are linked in this thread. Can see about 10% of the "highlights" that make CM look like someone with ability. 90% of the "highlights" I see are an athlete that gets what is blocked for him, and is a strong finisher. That doesn't speak to me as a guy that the Cowboys just MUST get on the field asap.
Randle averaged 6.7 on 51 totes last year. We see how that's working out.CM has looked very good?Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
He's had 52 attempts ever in the NFL.
Here's a great comparison. Monte Ball had limited action his rookie year, averaging 4.7 ypc on 120 attempts. On 52 attempts CM averages 4.9. How'd Montee Ball work out?
Taking someone who is thrown into situational plays, very limited might I add, and saying that he can reproduce that same performance carrying the ball 20-26 times a week is absurd. Sure, he's worth a look at some point this year but the obsessive drooling over this guy is ridiculous.
This is the guy who is so good, Seattle traded him away for a late round draft pick and signed old man Jackson to be Lynchs backup. And no other RB on that depth chart.
Yep. Seattle just didn't know what they had.
Randle averaged 6.7 on 51 totes last year. We see how that's working out.CM has looked very good?He's had 52 attempts ever in the NFL.Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
Here's a great comparison. Monte Ball had limited action his rookie year, averaging 4.7 ypc on 120 attempts. On 52 attempts CM averages 4.9. How'd Montee Ball work out?
Taking someone who is thrown into situational plays, very limited might I add, and saying that he can reproduce that same performance carrying the ball 20-26 times a week is absurd. Sure, he's worth a look at some point this year but the obsessive drooling over this guy is ridiculous.
This is the guy who is so good, Seattle traded him away for a late round draft pick and signed old man Jackson to be Lynchs backup. And no other RB on that depth chart.
Yep. Seattle just didn't know what they had.
LOL, plenty of us recognize that things change in the NFL year to year. Sorry, but they OL hasn't played well at all in run blocking. You keep up the good fight while he's inactive.
Ok so you think a guy who has averaged 1.8 yards per carry less on the same carries is going to do better?Randle averaged 6.7 on 51 totes last year. We see how that's working out.CM has looked very good?Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
He's had 52 attempts ever in the NFL.
Here's a great comparison. Monte Ball had limited action his rookie year, averaging 4.7 ypc on 120 attempts. On 52 attempts CM averages 4.9. How'd Montee Ball work out?
Taking someone who is thrown into situational plays, very limited might I add, and saying that he can reproduce that same performance carrying the ball 20-26 times a week is absurd. Sure, he's worth a look at some point this year but the obsessive drooling over this guy is ridiculous.
This is the guy who is so good, Seattle traded him away for a late round draft pick and signed old man Jackson to be Lynchs backup. And no other RB on that depth chart.
Yep. Seattle just didn't know what they had.
This is exactly it. People are comparing apples to cabbage.
You misunderstood my point. My point was that the "X YPC on Y(limited) carries" argument is moot. It's the Troy Hambrick argument. I wasn't using it to suggest Michael could do better; I don't know if I think he can. But I'm pretty sure he can't do any worse.Ok so you think a guy who has averaged 1.8 yards per carry less on the same carries is going to do better?Randle averaged 6.7 on 51 totes last year. We see how that's working out.CM has looked very good?Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
He's had 52 attempts ever in the NFL.
Here's a great comparison. Monte Ball had limited action his rookie year, averaging 4.7 ypc on 120 attempts. On 52 attempts CM averages 4.9. How'd Montee Ball work out?
Taking someone who is thrown into situational plays, very limited might I add, and saying that he can reproduce that same performance carrying the ball 20-26 times a week is absurd. Sure, he's worth a look at some point this year but the obsessive drooling over this guy is ridiculous.
This is the guy who is so good, Seattle traded him away for a late round draft pick and signed old man Jackson to be Lynchs backup. And no other RB on that depth chart.
Yep. Seattle just didn't know what they had.
No one thought Randle would perform like Murray. If you did you're nuts. I have Randle as my RB 3 with RB 2 upside. He's ranked 27th in my league. Just about right. I'd say that's Randles floor.
Randle is performing around the same as:
Stewart
Gordon
Miller
Morris
Forsett
Where are the threads asking for the 4th RB on those depth charts to get a shot?
Randle has been below average running the ball (#28 of 41 RB's with at least 15 carries this year) but has done well in the passing game.
It appears we agree on the ypc argument. That was my point as well.You misunderstood my point. My point was that the "X YPC on Y(limited) carries" argument is moot. It's the Troy Hambrick argument. I wasn't using it to suggest Michael could do better; I don't know if I think he can. But I'm pretty sure he can't do any worse.Ok so you think a guy who has averaged 1.8 yards per carry less on the same carries is going to do better?Randle averaged 6.7 on 51 totes last year. We see how that's working out.CM has looked very good?Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
He's had 52 attempts ever in the NFL.
Here's a great comparison. Monte Ball had limited action his rookie year, averaging 4.7 ypc on 120 attempts. On 52 attempts CM averages 4.9. How'd Montee Ball work out?
Taking someone who is thrown into situational plays, very limited might I add, and saying that he can reproduce that same performance carrying the ball 20-26 times a week is absurd. Sure, he's worth a look at some point this year but the obsessive drooling over this guy is ridiculous.
This is the guy who is so good, Seattle traded him away for a late round draft pick and signed old man Jackson to be Lynchs backup. And no other RB on that depth chart.
Yep. Seattle just didn't know what they had.
No one thought Randle would perform like Murray. If you did you're nuts. I have Randle as my RB 3 with RB 2 upside. He's ranked 27th in my league. Just about right. I'd say that's Randles floor.
Randle is performing around the same as:
Stewart
Gordon
Miller
Morris
Forsett
Where are the threads asking for the 4th RB on those depth charts to get a shot?
I don't know this ranking well, so my first question is, does this look at overall stats or average? Randle shares time with two other backs, so clearly he won't do as well as 3 down backs
Over your head on that onegood God...what do you people smoke before posting?
take it easy, they will emerge soon enough!!!Ok so you think a guy who has averaged 1.8 yards per carry less on the same carries is going to do better?Randle averaged 6.7 on 51 totes last year. We see how that's working out.CM has looked very good?Yep he's inactive. Still doesn't change the fact Randle looks meh and when CM has played he's looked very good at times. So the exact opposite of that gentlemens opinion.The limited play Michael has gotten this year leaves me no doubt he will average at least 5.67 yards per carry this season. It's only a matter of time.
He's had 52 attempts ever in the NFL.
Here's a great comparison. Monte Ball had limited action his rookie year, averaging 4.7 ypc on 120 attempts. On 52 attempts CM averages 4.9. How'd Montee Ball work out?
Taking someone who is thrown into situational plays, very limited might I add, and saying that he can reproduce that same performance carrying the ball 20-26 times a week is absurd. Sure, he's worth a look at some point this year but the obsessive drooling over this guy is ridiculous.
This is the guy who is so good, Seattle traded him away for a late round draft pick and signed old man Jackson to be Lynchs backup. And no other RB on that depth chart.
Yep. Seattle just didn't know what they had.
No one thought Randle would perform like Murray. If you did you're nuts. I have Randle as my RB 3 with RB 2 upside. He's ranked 27th in my league. Just about right. I'd say that's Randles floor.
Randle is performing around the same as:
Stewart
Gordon
Miller
Morris
Forsett
Where are the threads asking for the 4th RB on those depth charts to get a shot?
So in other words, he's exactly right in that Dal Oline is nothing close to as good this year as it was last year. Last year they wear dominant and ranked #1. Now, to this point, they are barely above average.
but how much is your buddy's watch
I pointed this out the last time you brought it up, but Randle is breaking tackles at a higher rate than Murray did last season. The O-line has not performed nearly as well as it did last year, and losing Dez and Romo certainly hasn't helped the cause.
Murray did more with his touches than Randle is currently--by a lot. If you disagree with that, maybe there's a conversation here. I don't think you do, though.ETA: I assume you're using PFF, who graded Murray as Elite last season; a grade they didn't give Martin on Smith, even.
