Chuck Woodson voted AP's top defensive player (1 Viewer)

[ChrisCooleyFan]

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NEW YORK — Green Bay cornerback Charles Woodson has won The Associated Press 2009 NFL Defensive Player of the Year award.

The versatile Woodson tied for the league lead with nine interceptions, returning three for touchdowns, and was a key to the Packers' turnaround on defense. His role in Green Bay's ranking second in overall defense, first in interceptions (30), takeaways (40) and turnover margin (plus-24) earned Woodson 28 votes from a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the NFL.

He doubled the number of votes for New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis in becoming the first Green Bay winner since Reggie White in 1998 and just the second Packer in the 36-year history of the award.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

 

[TLEF316]

Very deserving obviously. He made a lot of big plays this year.

But there's absolutely no way i'd trade Revis for him (even when he was in his psysical prime).

I bet if the players voted the results would be diferent.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Very deserving obviously. He made a lot of big plays this year.But there's absolutely no way i'd trade Revis for him (even when he was in his psysical prime).I bet if the players voted the results would be diferent.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Very deserving obviously. He made a lot of big plays this year.

But there's absolutely no way i'd trade Revis for him (even when he was in his psysical prime).I bet if the players voted the results would be diferent

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[Michael Fox Fan]

I bet if the players voted the results would be diferent.

It's weird that the Revis contingent feels the need to try to downgrade Woodson's performance, rather than just saying "wow, these guys both had great seasons"

 

[ScottyFargo]

Adam_Schefter And right there is the ultimate proof as to why it would be better to wait until the end of the season before voting on these awards.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Adam_Schefter And right there is the ultimate proof as to why it would be better to wait until the end of the season before voting on these awards.

Typical post from Scotty.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Adam_Schefter And right there is the ultimate proof as to why it would be better to wait until the end of the season before voting on these awards.

Typical post from Scotty.

What do you expect from the #1 Troll here at FBG?Teenagers are like that.

 

[jurrassic]

Adam_Schefter And right there is the ultimate proof as to why it would be better to wait until the end of the season before voting on these awards.

Typical post from Scotty.

I don't pay much attention to other posters specific agendas that much, but ScottyFargo is a bigtime Packer's hater. He must have lost a few girlfriends to some fans of the green and gold.

 

[sho nuff]

Good for Chuck...both he and Revis were quite deserving.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

 

[trader jake]

First the Heisman, now the NFL DPOY?

Too bad Charles Woodson got Tuck Ruled.

 

[PantherPower]

although I hate Dallas, you could almost make a case for a 3 way tie between Woodson, Revis, and Ware. All 3 had fantastic seasons.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

 

[ScottyFargo]

Adam_Schefter And right there is the ultimate proof as to why it would be better to wait until the end of the season before voting on these awards.

Typical post from Scotty.

I don't pay much attention to other posters specific agendas that much, but ScottyFargo is a bigtime Packer's hater. He must have lost a few girlfriends to some fans of the green and gold.

Your issue is with Schefter, not me. I did not alter his quote.

 

[sho nuff]

Love someone calling the voters ignorant for voting for a guy who had the year that Woodson had.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Revis is clearly the best cover corner in the league, and in certain defenses (like the Jets) he's as valuable as it gets on a football field. Woodson's the more well-rounded corner, and while I disagree, I definitely see why people would think he's the most valuable defensive player in the league this year. Congrats to Woodson and the Packers.

 

[Joe Bryant]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Love someone calling the voters ignorant for voting for a guy who had the year that Woodson had.

Agreed. "Ignorant" is rarely if ever helpful when used in a discussion like this. Discuss the opinion that is different and explain why you think it's different is a much better path.J

 

[scrumptrulescent]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

Don't know, but I do know you can see the value of Woodson to the Packers with those numbers.

 

[TLEF316]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Its obviously not a direct comparison due to systems, but when you look at what the league's elite recievers did (or didnt do) against Revis, i cant see how anyone can say he wasn't the best defender in the league. No, he didn't have sacks or forced fumbles (or as many INT's) but thats mostly because the other teams were teriffied to throw the ball his way and that meant he was best used in coverage rather than being involved in blitz packages.

IMO, its similar to how blocks and steals dont really determine who is the best defender on a basketball court. They're important stats, but they're glamor stats that dont tell the whole story.

edit: and i'm absolutely NOT talking down what woodson did this year. He had an all pro year and is deserving of everything he gets. But i watched Revis play every snap this year, and i've never seen a better 16 (or 17 if you count saturday) game performance out of a DB in the ~20 years i've been watching the NFL.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Good grief. Fish somewhere else please.

 

[Joe Bryant]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

Don't know, but I do know you can see the value of Woodson to the Packers with those numbers.

I don't think anyone is disputing the value Woodson is to the Packers.I'm more trying to get at whether people think these stats reflect the value of a shut down corner. Seems to me that for this particular position where a corner is tasked with taking the other teams best WR out of the game, these stats are actually a pretty poor, if not outright misleading, indicator.I don't have any better stats so I guess I'm just whining. But watching the games and watching a guy like Revis virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself is incredible. It's almost like playing with 12 guys when you can put your CB on the teams best WR and take him out of the game.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Good grief. Fish somewhere else please.

That's not fishing at all. J

 

[ScottyFargo]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Good grief. Fish somewhere else please.

What did he say that wasn't true? What were Ocho Cinco's #'s like this past week? Carson Palmer's?

 

[TLEF316]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Good grief. Fish somewhere else please.

how in the world is this fishing? I said i dont have the stats (i'm sure chase will be by with them in a minute) but its pretty much common sense that you'll have more opportunities to make tackles if the man you're guarding is catching the ball more often. Revis' man almost never caught the ball. You cant make tackles when they dont throw at you. To use tackles as some sort of measuring stick for CB's in today's NFL makes no sense to me.

 

[Jeremy]

Adam_Schefter And right there is the ultimate proof as to why it would be better to wait until the end of the season before voting on these awards.

Typical post from Scotty.

I don't pay much attention to other posters specific agendas that much, but ScottyFargo is a bigtime Packer's hater. He must have lost a few girlfriends to some fans of the green and gold.

Your issue is with Schefter, not me. I did not alter his quote.

I guess I'm confused then. Woodson had an INT for a TD in this last game of the regular season. He had a great game. What is Schefter's point?

 

[dgreen]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

They show a more all-around CB than a shutdown CB.Here's a few few more stats. Passing against each CB:Woodson - 39-76-448-5-9; 51.8 rating Revis - 41-111-425-2-6; 32.3 ratingI think that gets more to the "shutdown" label. But, why did Revis face 35 more attempts than Woodson? He played 24 more snaps than Woodson, but faced 35 more attempts.

 

[TLEF316]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

They show a more all-around CB than a shutdown CB.Here's a few few more stats. Passing against each CB:Woodson - 39-76-448-5-9; 51.8 rating Revis - 41-111-425-2-6; 32.3 ratingI think that gets more to the "shutdown" label. But, why did Revis face 35 more attempts than Woodson? He played 24 more snaps than Woodson, but faced 35 more attempts.

does that stat take zone coverages into account? The Jets almost never played zone, meaning every throw to that side of the field was probably counted against Revis.Again, not sure about this. Just sort of talking out loud. Did the packers play a lot of zone this year? Does it even matter when discussing that particular stat?

 

[sho nuff]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensedRevis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

They show a more all-around CB than a shutdown CB.Here's a few few more stats. Passing against each CB:Woodson - 39-76-448-5-9; 51.8 rating Revis - 41-111-425-2-6; 32.3 ratingI think that gets more to the "shutdown" label. But, why did Revis face 35 more attempts than Woodson? He played 24 more snaps than Woodson, but faced 35 more attempts.

Which is interesting because I read the other day, either here or on another board, that Woodson had more INTs because of opportunities of people throwing at him more. WHich appears not to be the case.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I guess I'm confused then. Woodson had an INT for a TD in this last game of the regular season. He had a great game. What is Schefter's point?

I assumed he was referring to the post season, but you've got a point. It is a shame however that post-season play does not get figured into these discussions.

 

[dgreen]

A lot of ignorant sports writers voted for this award, in my opinion. Woodson had a great season to be sure, but no way he had a better year than Revis. I agree with the sentiment that if the players had voted the results would have been different.

Revis was a fantastic cover corner, but look at how many different things Woodson did for his team.

Woodson - 74 tackles, 2 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 9 interceptions, 3 touchdowns, 18 passes defensed

Revis - 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 6 interceptions, 1 touchdown, 31 passes defensed

Question - How accurately do folks think these stats reflect the value of a shutdown type corner?J

They show a more all-around CB than a shutdown CB.Here's a few few more stats. Passing against each CB:

Woodson - 39-76-448-5-9; 51.8 rating

Revis - 41-111-425-2-6; 32.3 rating

I think that gets more to the "shutdown" label. But, why did Revis face 35 more attempts than Woodson? He played 24 more snaps than Woodson, but faced 35 more attempts.

does that stat take zone coverages into account? The Jets almost never played zone, meaning every throw to that side of the field was probably counted against Revis.Again, not sure about this. Just sort of talking out loud. Did the packers play a lot of zone this year? Does it even matter when discussing that particular stat?

I don't know. I'm using ProFootballFocus.com.I think Woodson's large edge in Stops would indicate his edge in tackles is probably due to his run support and not necessarily him giving up receptions by playing off coverage.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

But watching the games and watching a guy like Revis virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself is incredible. It's almost like playing with 12 guys when you can put your CB on the teams best WR and take him out of the game.

Sorry Joe, but this fiction has been debunked repeatedly. Revis is a GREAT defensive back, but the myth that he can shut down half the field alone is just plain wrong. I'm too lazy to dig up a link, but Belicheat was quite vocal that Revis got help underneath and over the top against Moss and the Pats. He gets help every game (no crime in that BTW - every DB gets help in some schemes/situations). So please, let's stop making stuff up to support Revis. He doesn't need falsehoods to justify his success - the guy is the best cover CB in the league. But he DOES get help.

 

[dgreen]

I guess I'm confused then. Woodson had an INT for a TD in this last game of the regular season. He had a great game. What is Schefter's point?

I assumed he was referring to the post season, but you've got a point. It is a shame however that post-season play does not get figured into these discussions.

I'm really not sure why anyone has a problem with Woodson's postseason play. Fitzgerald ended up with a nice statline, but Woodson did a pretty good job against him. Fitz's numbers look good because Woodson was taken out once by a teammate and another time was shoved by Fitz. Both resulted in TDs. He forced a key fumble that ignited GB's comeback and overall played well.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Its obviously not a direct comparison due to systems, but when you look at what the league's elite recievers did (or didnt do) against Revis, i cant see how anyone can say he wasn't the best defender in the league. No, he didn't have sacks or forced fumbles (or as many INT's) but thats mostly because the other teams were teriffied to throw the ball his way and that meant he was best used in coverage rather than being involved in blitz packages.

IMO, its similar to how blocks and steals dont really determine who is the best defender on a basketball court. They're important stats, but they're glamor stats that dont tell the whole story.

edit: and i'm absolutely NOT talking down what woodson did this year. He had an all pro year and is deserving of everything he gets. But i watched Revis play every snap this year, and i've never seen a better 16 (or 17 if you count saturday) game performance out of a DB in the ~20 years i've been watching the NFL.

C. Bailey had a spectacular run that I am sure SSOG can/will bring to the discussion a few years ago, also I can't remember the number off hand, but Asomugha was thrown at last year the fewest times ever I think.I think Revis easily played at the most elite level a shut down corner can play at this past season. This is one of the times I think an award should be spit between guys. I don't think anyone can say what Woodson did was more impressive than Revis and vice versa. There was no clear winner this year but more so 2 guys that played as elite as you can, therefore I see it as a split.

 

[sho nuff]

I guess I'm confused then. Woodson had an INT for a TD in this last game of the regular season. He had a great game. What is Schefter's point?

I assumed he was referring to the post season, but you've got a point. It is a shame however that post-season play does not get figured into these discussions.

Why would the postseason matter in a regular season award?Its not a shame...there are players that have won such awards with their team not in the postseason. WHy should postseason matter?

 

[sho nuff]

I guess I'm confused then. Woodson had an INT for a TD in this last game of the regular season. He had a great game. What is Schefter's point?

I assumed he was referring to the post season, but you've got a point. It is a shame however that post-season play does not get figured into these discussions.

I'm really not sure why anyone has a problem with Woodson's postseason play. Fitzgerald ended up with a nice statline, but Woodson did a pretty good job against him. Fitz's numbers look good because Woodson was taken out once by a teammate and another time was shoved by Fitz. Both resulted in TDs. He forced a key fumble that ignited GB's comeback and overall played well.

He also tipped the ball on the one 3rd down that forced the only punt by Arizona.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'm not entirely sure, but i have to think that Woodson's higher tackle numbers are at least sort of due to the fact that the guys he was guarding caught the ball more. You can't make tackles if your guy doesnt catch the ball. (well, at least its very dificult when you're playing man coverage all the time).

Good grief. Fish somewhere else please.

how in the world is this fishing? I said i dont have the stats (i'm sure chase will be by with them in a minute) but its pretty much common sense that you'll have more opportunities to make tackles if the man you're guarding is catching the ball more often. Revis' man almost never caught the ball. You cant make tackles when they dont throw at you.

Woodson is the general on defense for the Packers. He is in charge of all 11 guys on that D when the offense comes up to the LOS. He makes adjustments, moves people around, he's the QB of that D. He also blitzes and helps out in run support as well....maybe that's where all the tackles came from.If the award was for Cover Corner of the Year, it would go to Revis without question. But it's not. Revis is in charge of covering the opposing team's top WR, and taking him out of the game.....and he's the #1 guy in the NFL at that job. But that's all he does. It means a lot to his team, of course, but does it mean more than what Woodson does for his team? IMO and the opinions of the voters, no.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I suspect that Scotty Fargo and I could have been bros in another life.

But in this world... no peace.

 

[TLEF316]

But watching the games and watching a guy like Revis virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself is incredible. It's almost like playing with 12 guys when you can put your CB on the teams best WR and take him out of the game.

Sorry Joe, but this fiction has been debunked repeatedly. Revis is a GREAT defensive back, but the myth that he can shut down half the field alone is just plain wrong. I'm too lazy to dig up a link, but Belicheat was quite vocal that Revis got help underneath and over the top against Moss and the Pats. He gets help every game (no crime in that BTW - every DB gets help in some schemes/situations). So please, let's stop making stuff up to support Revis. He doesn't need falsehoods to justify his success - the guy is the best cover CB in the league. But he DOES get help.

i wouldn't put too much into any talk coming from BB about the Jets. It seems obvious that he'd want to trash them as much as possible. He's a Richard and a sore loser. Nothing new here. In the first NE game, Welker was out, so the jets had the luxury of being sure Moss was shut down by rolling some safety help his way. (now, this led to Edleman having a nice game, but the Jets still won). Again, as someone who watched every single jets game this year, i can vouch that Revis did A LOT of it by himself (particulary on the short and intermediate routes). Of course he had SOME help, but it wasnt that much (and its not like Jim Leonhard and Kerry Rhodes are great safeties)Most of the Jets blitzes came from overload plays where the safeties/non-Revis CB's would load up on one side. That doesn't leave a lot of players for help over the top. Again, both players were deserving. I just think that the writers fall in love with countable stats a little too much. If the players voted, i think Revis would win.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Why would the postseason matter in a regular season award?

Its not a shame...there are players that have won such awards with their team not in the postseason. WHy should postseason matter?

Stellar play in postseason goes unaccounted for, I guess. I just think it deserves some recognition as well. But fair is fair, 16 games for all.

I suspect that Scotty Fargo and I could have been bros in another life.

But in this world... no peace.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

If the players voted, i think Revis would win.

It would be interesting to find out.

 

[TLEF316]

If the players voted, i think Revis would win.

It would be interesting to find out.

indeed, but its irrelevant. Woodson won the award. Great for him. I like Woodson. No schtick. He's a great player. I'm just glad we have Revis and that he's still so young. It was an absolute joy to watch him shut down nearly every WR he went up against and i cant wait to see what he can do as an encore.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

If the players voted, i think Revis would win.

It would be interesting to find out.

indeed, but its irrelevant. Woodson won the award. Great for him. I like Woodson. No schtick. He's a great player. I'm just glad we have Revis and that he's still so young. It was an absolute joy to watch him shut down nearly every WR he went up against and i cant wait to see what he can do as an encore.

Much as I love Chuck, given their relative ages, I'd definitely rather have Revis too.

 

[sho nuff]

But watching the games and watching a guy like Revis virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself is incredible. It's almost like playing with 12 guys when you can put your CB on the teams best WR and take him out of the game.

Sorry Joe, but this fiction has been debunked repeatedly. Revis is a GREAT defensive back, but the myth that he can shut down half the field alone is just plain wrong. I'm too lazy to dig up a link, but Belicheat was quite vocal that Revis got help underneath and over the top against Moss and the Pats. He gets help every game (no crime in that BTW - every DB gets help in some schemes/situations). So please, let's stop making stuff up to support Revis. He doesn't need falsehoods to justify his success - the guy is the best cover CB in the league. But he DOES get help.

i wouldn't put too much into any talk coming from BB about the Jets. It seems obvious that he'd want to trash them as much as possible. He's a Richard and a sore loser. Nothing new here. In the first NE game, Welker was out, so the jets had the luxury of being sure Moss was shut down by rolling some safety help his way. (now, this led to Edleman having a nice game, but the Jets still won). Again, as someone who watched every single jets game this year, i can vouch that Revis did A LOT of it by himself (particulary on the short and intermediate routes). Of course he had SOME help, but it wasnt that much (and its not like Jim Leonhard and Kerry Rhodes are great safeties)Most of the Jets blitzes came from overload plays where the safeties/non-Revis CB's would load up on one side. That doesn't leave a lot of players for help over the top. Again, both players were deserving. I just think that the writers fall in love with countable stats a little too much. If the players voted, i think Revis would win.

Sure don't just trust BB...but I believe Rex Ryan had similar quotes about giving him over the top help at times.

 

[trader jake]

No, he didn't have sacks or forced fumbles (or as many INT's) but thats mostly because the other teams were teriffied to throw the ball his way and that meant he was best used in coverage rather than being involved in blitz packages.

Really? Too many Revis supporters claim he doesn't get help for me to take some of their other arguments very seriously.

Two deserving players with only one award. I'd rather let Revis have the award and still be playing this weekend.

 

[Joe Bryant]

But watching the games and watching a guy like Revis virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself is incredible. It's almost like playing with 12 guys when you can put your CB on the teams best WR and take him out of the game.

Sorry Joe, but this fiction has been debunked repeatedly. Revis is a GREAT defensive back, but the myth that he can shut down half the field alone is just plain wrong. I'm too lazy to dig up a link, but Belicheat was quite vocal that Revis got help underneath and over the top against Moss and the Pats. He gets help every game (no crime in that BTW - every DB gets help in some schemes/situations). So please, let's stop making stuff up to support Revis. He doesn't need falsehoods to justify his success - the guy is the best cover CB in the league. But he DOES get help.

Sorry - not "making stuff up". I only wrote what I did after watching games. Of course there are time when other players get in the mix. But by and large, he does by himself what lots of teams take 2 guys to do. J

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

But watching the games and watching a guy like Revis virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself is incredible. It's almost like playing with 12 guys when you can put your CB on the teams best WR and take him out of the game.

Sorry Joe, but this fiction has been debunked repeatedly. Revis is a GREAT defensive back, but the myth that he can shut down half the field alone is just plain wrong. I'm too lazy to dig up a link, but Belicheat was quite vocal that Revis got help underneath and over the top against Moss and the Pats. He gets help every game (no crime in that BTW - every DB gets help in some schemes/situations). So please, let's stop making stuff up to support Revis. He doesn't need falsehoods to justify his success - the guy is the best cover CB in the league. But he DOES get help.

Sorry - not "making stuff up". I only wrote what I did after watching games. Of course there are time when other players get in the mix. But by and large, he does by himself what lots of teams take 2 guys to do. J

Dude - c'mon. "Virtually eliminate the best WR all by himself?" He's the best cover CB in the league. And he gets help. It's ok to admit it.I'm with trader jake. Revis can have the award, if Woodson can keep playing in the postseason.

 

[dgreen]

does that stat take zone coverages into account? The Jets almost never played zone, meaning every throw to that side of the field was probably counted against Revis.

Again, not sure about this. Just sort of talking out loud. Did the packers play a lot of zone this year? Does it even matter when discussing that particular stat?

I don't know. I'm using ProFootballFocus.com.

Just looked at the Redskins. They have this stat for DBs and LBs. I see 279 of the team's 314 completions and 421 of 511 attempts attributed to individual DBs and LBs. That tells me they do account for zones to some extent. Missing data would be inL coverage assignments

Throw aways

Screens - hard to assign that to an individual defender

Passes to wide open receivers after an all out blitz are hard to assign to a defender

Hail Marys are thrown a to a crowd and probably aren't assigned to an individual