CJ: "I'm a decoration" (1 Viewer)

[Black Label Society]

I've got him and Boldin as my starting Wr's and have lost 4 weeks straight now because he won't cross the dang stripe..

Is he being triple covered, or is Palmer just not throwing to him anymore?

I play in a VERY TD heavy league, and I either need to trade him now or keep him and pray.

What say you???

 

[Dirk Digler]

I think he's the second best WR on that team.

 

[Kirby]

Opposing teams cover him up. Trade him and pickup Henry.

 

[davper]

What is a hoodog nelly?

 

[Sigfawn]

What is a hoodog nelly?

It's when you reach around your boyfriend and ... nevermind.

 

[FBGirl79]

I've got him and Boldin as my starting Wr's and have lost 4 weeks straight now because he won't cross the dang stripe..

Is he being triple covered, or is Palmer just not throwing to him anymore?

I play in a VERY TD heavy league, and I either need to trade him now or keep him and pray.

What say you???

Both. He's being double and triple covered and because of that, Palmer isn't throwing to him as much. I think Palmer and Johnson both want the ball in his hands but given that other teams are making sure he's covered and the O-line is seriously suffering from injuries, Palmer isn't getting the protection he needs to make the plays. Hopefully Chad's numbers will go up as the season goes on and the O-line gets healthier and teams start covering Housh and Henry too leaving more opportunity for Johnson. FWIW, I stayed away from Chad but have Housh in one league and Henry in another.

 

[pizzatyme]

Anyone else notice the ads running the "Where you at, 85?" have almost disappeared, much like 85 himself?!

I love it!

 

[Ice Cream Man]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ahgd...p&type=lgns

 

[ceo3west]

He sure has been..

 

[Steve Dallas]

If so, it's time to take himself down and put himself away.

 

[smcindoe]

No... no... I tend to notice decorations...

 

[lord_helmet]

Who is this Lewis guy to disagree with 85

 

[DaWidowMaker]

I think with a full plate of options (most notable C.Henry and C.Perry) they can be back to their normal selves.

 

[LivingTheDream]

If TO made the same comments.....

 

[Trap Play]

If TO made the same comments.....

He already has made the same comments, ad nausem.

 

[Steve Dallas]

He sure has been..

Nice avatar, Al.

 

[Loopdog]

Their offensive line play has been terrible. I'm sure Chad has been open deep but Carson hasn't had time to look at him. I would be willing to bet this outburst gets Chad some deep looks this week vs Carolina.

 

[oukurt]

Where you at eighty-fiiiiiiiiiiiive? Seriously where are you?

 

[Marc Levin]

If TO made the same comments.....

He'd be the same kind of meathead he is now - the reason he can't make those kind of comments is that he does NOT MAKE these kind of comments:

"Stuff is not going the same way it did last year, to where I can come out and be bold," he said. "We're not playing bold. We're not playing aggressive. So I can't be aggressive. I've got to feel it.

"I can't come up and say, 'Man, we're going to go out and torch these guys,' and we go 75 plays in the game and have one explosive play. We're just not the aggressor right now."

The bolded words are words that never come out of TO's mouth. Nor does he get humble when "we" aren't playing well.

This will not turn into a TO thread, but just keep in mind how RADICALLY DIFFERENT these two players approach the game and the media.

Note:

Johnson suggested for the first time Wednesday that play-calling is part of the problem. Johnson, who led the AFC in catches and yards last season, thinks the Bengals have allowed defenses to take away what they do best.

"We have to call it and they have to trust us as receivers," Johnson said. "The quarterback has to trust his receivers to make the plays for him, regardless of what they line up in. We can't allow teams to dictate what we can do. We need to start dictating what we want to do."

Even when he complains about the playcalling, he doesn't call anyone out, he doesn't toss his QB under the bus, and he continues to talk in terms of "we."

Finally, to be fair, he did not say "I'm a decoration" with the complaint of give me the ball. Here is the quote - in full so you can assess for yourself what CJ is saying.

"I can't be the aggressor with this right here," he said, pointing to his mouth, "when my approach and my play out there on Sunday is not aggressive at all. I can't. It's not matching up.

"Last year, I could be aggressive because I knew when I got up on Sunday, we were going to be the aggressive opponent. But right now, I can't take an aggressive approach with you guys, and then go out there and be a sitting duck and a decoration."

Now do you understand why "if TO said it . . "Yeah - if TO said it it'd be "give me the ball, what am I, a decoration?"

CJ's comment was NOTHING CLOSE TO that kind of complaint.

 

[redjake]

Thank you, Marc.

 

[Defending Champs]

I thought I read Hoodog Nelly, I could be mistaken though.

 

[LivingTheDream]

If TO made the same comments.....

He'd be the same kind of meathead he is now - the reason he can't make those kind of comments is that he does NOT MAKE these kind of comments:

"Stuff is not going the same way it did last year, to where I can come out and be bold," he said. "We're not playing bold. We're not playing aggressive. So I can't be aggressive. I've got to feel it.

"I can't come up and say, 'Man, we're going to go out and torch these guys,' and we go 75 plays in the game and have one explosive play. We're just not the aggressor right now."

The bolded words are words that never come out of TO's mouth. Nor does he get humble when "we" aren't playing well.

This will not turn into a TO thread, but just keep in mind how RADICALLY DIFFERENT these two players approach the game and the media.

Note:

Johnson suggested for the first time Wednesday that play-calling is part of the problem. Johnson, who led the AFC in catches and yards last season, thinks the Bengals have allowed defenses to take away what they do best.

"We have to call it and they have to trust us as receivers," Johnson said. "The quarterback has to trust his receivers to make the plays for him, regardless of what they line up in. We can't allow teams to dictate what we can do. We need to start dictating what we want to do."

Even when he complains about the playcalling, he doesn't call anyone out, he doesn't toss his QB under the bus, and he continues to talk in terms of "we."

Finally, to be fair, he did not say "I'm a decoration" with the complaint of give me the ball. Here is the quote - in full so you can assess for yourself what CJ is saying.

"I can't be the aggressor with this right here," he said, pointing to his mouth, "when my approach and my play out there on Sunday is not aggressive at all. I can't. It's not matching up.

"Last year, I could be aggressive because I knew when I got up on Sunday, we were going to be the aggressive opponent. But right now, I can't take an aggressive approach with you guys, and then go out there and be a sitting duck and a decoration."

Now do you understand why "if TO said it . . "Yeah - if TO said it it'd be "give me the ball, what am I, a decoration?"

CJ's comment was NOTHING CLOSE TO that kind of complaint.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think they just have different ways of saying the same thing. Chad is calling out the playcalling, just indirectly, but he wants the ball-make no mistake about it. TO said basically the same thing after the Philly game. Chad is smarter when it comes to talking to the media. And understandably, the media is a lot less out to get CJ than TO. Besides the fact that CJ has never had a 10 TD season, they really aren't that different. They want the ball and they want attention. Sorry to turn this off topic.

 

[Marc Levin]

No worries - some folks will never understand whyt they are different kinds of player.

It is certainly endemic to the WR position that they want the ball and have big mouths. Not disputing that at all - and CJ certainly has an enormously big mouth and an unsatisfiable thirst for targets.

The difference between these two players is NIGHT and DAY - just read any and every quote ever written about CJ as a teammate, and you will understand. He's the first one onto the practice field every day, he is a coach's dream because he shuts his mouth and learns what is being taught, and he is a game film NUT. he studies the game and studies how to get better WITHIN the system.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

No worries - some folks will never understand whyt they are different kinds of player.It is certainly endemic to the WR position that they want the ball and have big mouths. Not disputing that at all - and CJ certainly has an enormously big mouth and an unsatisfiable thirst for targets.The difference between these two players is NIGHT and DAY - just read any and every quote ever written about CJ as a teammate, and you will understand. He's the first one onto the practice field every day, he is a coach's dream because he shuts his mouth and learns what is being taught, and he is a game film NUT. he studies the game and studies how to get better WITHIN the system.

Marc,You really need to rein in the TO hatred some. You just hijacked a CJ thread.......IMO CJ explodes this weekend - IMO seems to be an ongoing trend with recievers opening their mouths and then getting fed.............

 

[The Jerk]

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think they just have different ways of saying the same thing. Chad is calling out the playcalling, just indirectly, but he wants the ball-make no mistake about it. TO said basically the same thing after the Philly game. Chad is smarter when it comes to talking to the media. And understandably, the media is a lot less out to get CJ than TO. Besides the fact that CJ has never had a 10 TD season, they really aren't that different. They want the ball and they want attention. Sorry to turn this off topic.

The truth is somewhere in between what you are saying and what Marc is saying. The media certainly will take TO's comments differently than CJ's, but TO has only himself (and his agent) to blame for that. And CJ appears to be a better teammate and knows when to talk and when to shut up -- at least more so than TO.One other thing: CJ had 10 receiving TDs in 2003.

 

[The_U]

Nice work, Marc. Couldn't agree more.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Nice work, Marc. Couldn't agree more.

Fargin hurricanes! Now you should know you are wrong Marc! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<GATOR Seriously, I wrote extensively trying to defend TO in Parcells system, but the guy really won't just shut up. CJ is in another class - but that's not what I thought this thread was about. I thought this was about CJ's role in the Bengals Offense and the outlook thereof...........

 

[Das Boot]

I think that if Cinn. continues to struggle, and especially if CJ continues to not get his normal numbers, things will get frostier between CJ and the Bengals and you'll see a growing number of "TO-like" comments from CJ.

 

[ren hoek]

Chad needs to understand that the QB can't make plays when he doesn't have time to throw the ball.

I don't think this is anything to read in to, but it would be nice if CJ demonstrated a more positive attitude while the team is struggling.

 

[Marc Levin]

agree to refocus.

someone else opened the TO can of worms, and I do not believe anything I said about CJ is wrong.

I dsid not praise CJ to blast TO - I praised CJ because I wanted to clarify the truth about CJ.

CJ has an excellent point - the team is not playing aggressively on offense. If they turn that part of their game on, CJ will once again turn it on.

BTW, shameless self-promotion, but one of our pay content roundtable discussions this week is on whether or not CJ will juice it back up.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

BTW, shameless self-promotion, but one of our pay content roundtable discussions this week is on whether or not CJ will juice it back up.

Nice. Curious to hear/read what you all have to say on this.

 

[Marc Levin]

It's a decent discussion.

I thikn we were all a bit conservative on predicting what will happen with CJ, but we all hjad our own opinions on what is currently wrong with his numbers.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

It's a decent discussion.I thikn we were all a bit conservative on predicting what will happen with CJ, but we all hjad our own opinions on what is currently wrong with his numbers.

I think CJ will be fine assuming the O line starts getting healthy.I just need someone to tell me Rudi is going to be ok after I traded for him 2 weeks ago!

 

[Marc Levin]

It's a decent discussion.I thikn we were all a bit conservative on predicting what will happen with CJ, but we all hjad our own opinions on what is currently wrong with his numbers.

I think CJ will be fine assuming the O line starts getting healthy.I just need someone to tell me Rudi is going to be ok after I traded for him 2 weeks ago!

I think the OL is more important to Rudi's fantasy worth than CJ'sTJ's still getting off his FF numbers.That said, Palmer's been sacked a LOT and he's fumbled a LOT. Maybe it is PALMER that is the problem and not the OL - maybe he needs some more time to heal (ala C-Pepp).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

 

[Hairy Snowman]

It's a decent discussion.I thikn we were all a bit conservative on predicting what will happen with CJ, but we all hjad our own opinions on what is currently wrong with his numbers.

I think CJ will be fine assuming the O line starts getting healthy.I just need someone to tell me Rudi is going to be ok after I traded for him 2 weeks ago!

I think the OL is more important to Rudi's fantasy worth than CJ'sTJ's still getting off his FF numbers.That said, Palmer's been sacked a LOT and he's fumbled a LOT. Maybe it is PALMER that is the problem and not the OL - maybe he needs some more time to heal (ala C-Pepp).

Hmm. Now that you mention it......... legs have alot to do with deep ball velocity. Hadn't really thought about that until you mentioned it.Excellent point. Does it make me feel better about Rudi though? Not really. I'm locked in to this though. Also, I think you meant CJ right? TJ is on another team.

 

[CravenM]

I still think he's injured from the big jaw hit a few weeks ago on the crossing pattern - haven't seen him smile or be the same ole guy lately.

I think this affecting the whole offense as well as the semi-weekly arrests of Chris Henry

 

[Marc Levin]

It's a decent discussion.I thikn we were all a bit conservative on predicting what will happen with CJ, but we all hjad our own opinions on what is currently wrong with his numbers.

I think CJ will be fine assuming the O line starts getting healthy.I just need someone to tell me Rudi is going to be ok after I traded for him 2 weeks ago!

I think the OL is more important to Rudi's fantasy worth than CJ'sTJ's still getting off his FF numbers.That said, Palmer's been sacked a LOT and he's fumbled a LOT. Maybe it is PALMER that is the problem and not the OL - maybe he needs some more time to heal (ala C-Pepp).

Hmm. Now that you mention it......... legs have alot to do with deep ball velocity. Hadn't really thought about that until you mentioned it.Excellent point. Does it make me feel better about Rudi though? Not really. I'm locked in to this though. Also, I think you meant CJ right? TJ is on another team.

nope - tj - as in who's yer momma?

 

[bostonfred]

Sure there are differences between Owens and Johnson. For example, the media doesn't rip Johnson or bully him in interviews to get quotes that make him look bad. They don't blow quotes like this out of proportion the way they do with anything Owens says. They acknowledge when he says something good on the sidelines, or when he helps his team win. They acknowledge that he's a good player.ESPN loves his end zone celebrations, and now has multiple commercials about them. The NFL plays up to Johnson's end zone celebrations, featuring him in commercials on their network. And they cut him plenty of slack when he doesn't get in the end zone for weeks.

 

[Da Guru]

Sure there are differences between Owens and Johnson. For example, the media doesn't rip Johnson or bully him in interviews to get quotes that make him look bad. They don't blow quotes like this out of proportion the way they do with anything Owens says. They acknowledge when he says something good on the sidelines, or when he helps his team win. They acknowledge that he's a good player.ESPN loves his end zone celebrations, and now has multiple commercials about them. The NFL plays up to Johnson's end zone celebrations, featuring him in commercials on their network. And they cut him plenty of slack when he doesn't get in the end zone for weeks.

Of course, because Johnson has no malice in his heart..Johnson has not ripped apart 2 pro-bowl QBs, questioned their sexual preferences, Johnson has not accused QBs of choking, Johnson has not ripped head coaches..Johnson has not ripped ###. coaches. It really is not too hard to understand why now..

 

[Marc Levin]

Da Guru - exactly.

Wish this can of worms wasn't opened, but once it WAS opened, th etruth should out.

CJ is a good citizen of the NFL, so he is someone the NFL should

promote.

 

[bostonfred]

Da Guru - exactly.Wish this can of worms wasn't opened, but once it WAS opened, th etruth should out.CJ is a good citizen of the NFL, so he is someone the NFL should promote.

He's a self promoter who gives locker room quotes to the opposing team, and doesn't back it up. Send a bottle of pepto to your opponent, have the worst game of the season. Blitz ESPN and NFLN with ads, and have your worst season in years. Owens might not be a saint, and he's certainly not the public speaker that Johnson is, but at least he brings his A game all the time. He plays hurt, pumps up his team on the sidelines, led his team to an incredible 24 point playoff comeback, and almost beat a dynasty Patriots team. Johnson has no playoff wins, one playoff appearance, and a less prolific career than Owens through the same number of years in the league.

 

[Marc Levin]

b-fred:

First of all, he DOES back it up on the field.

Soncd of all, that's the entire POINT of the quotation. He is NOT whoofing this year b/c he has nothing to whoof ABOUT.

 

[bostonfred]

b-fred: First of all, he DOES back it up on the field.Soncd of all, that's the entire POINT of the quotation. He is NOT whoofing this year b/c he has nothing to whoof ABOUT.

OK, so let me recap: the whole POINT of the quotation is that he recorded those commercials back when he had something to "whoof" about. Then he stopped because he had nothing to "whoof" about. I guess I don't have as much respect for people who only talk when they're doing well as you do, and I have more respect for guys who perform well even when facing adversity.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm gonna allow you to dig your own grave.

The quote is clear, CJ's history as a GOOD NFL CITIZEN stands on its own, which is WHY the NFL is willing to promote CJ.

Can't say the same thing about that other guy you mentioned.

Self promotion, demanding the ball, and whoofing out loud are ENDEMIC to the WR position - it is also part of what makes TO, TO (rather than plain ole Terrel Owens) - entertainment value.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

b-fred: First of all, he DOES back it up on the field.Soncd of all, that's the entire POINT of the quotation. He is NOT whoofing this year b/c he has nothing to whoof ABOUT.

If he DOES back it up on the field, wouldn't he have something to whoof about? The only difference between T.O. and CJ is that one has shown an ability to perform at a high level for an extended period of time and the other has show the ability to more eloquently slam his QB, OC, and HC. I'll give this to Chad - he's very well-spoken.

 

[lord_helmet]

The #/@!%(\< comparisons to TO is getting REALLY old REALLY fast

 

[Marc Levin]

^-------

Outside of their mouths off the field, they are not even remotely similar. EVERY ONE of CJ's coaches comments on how AWESOME and COACHABLE CJ is - and how great his attitude is both on and off the field.

Ever once hear a coach praise TO's attitude?

Like I said above, from here on out, I'm going to let the CJ detractors dig their own holes.

 

[Love to Bet football]

Chads #'s WILL get much better once Henry returns in week 8

 

[Bob Sacamano]

EVERY ONE of CJ's coaches comments on how AWESOME and COACHABLE CJ is - and how great his attitude is both on and off the field.

Ever once hear a coach praise TO's attitude?

"I'm sure it can," Reid said. "There's communication on the football field and that's the important part. T.O. is very coachable. "T.O.'s got such a great attitude. He loves to play the game. I think he helps everybody out," head coach Andy Reid said.

Those are just the first two that came up. I'm sure there are more.