CJohnson & AP make the Top 50 predicted to make HOF? (1 Viewer)

[burd]

ok, granted there is a lot of hype regarding these two players, but HOF potential when they've never even taken a snap is a total joke and just proves what the sharks have known for years: ESPN shys away from doing real journalism in favor of fluff pieces like this that are targeted towards guppies and middle schoolers.

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough.... saying the same thing about a player that's never stepped on the field is absured. If they're putting players that have never played in the NFL on this list, why not include next year's top draft picks as well? They're just as qualified as CJ and AP

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...loffame/nfllist

Cantonized: The List 1-50

1. Brett Favre

2. Tom Brady

3. Peyton Manning

4. Larry Allen

5. Ray Lewis

6. Richard Seymour

7. Jonathan Ogden

8. Marvin Harrison

9. LaDainian Tomlinson

10. Adam Vinatieri

11. Brian Urlacher

12. Orlando Pace

13. Michael Strahan

14. Junior Seau

15. Tony Gonzalez

16. Dwight Freeney

17. Champ Bailey

18. Derrick Brooks

19. Warren Sapp

20. Torry Holt

21. Shawne Merriman

22. John Lynch

23. Alan Faneca

24. Steve Hutchinson

25. Brian Dawkins

26. Walter Jones

27. Jason Taylor

28. Shaun Alexander

29. Julius Peppers

30. Antonio Gates

31. Troy Polamalu

32. Randy Moss

33. Ed Reed

34. Reggie Bush

35. Ty Law

36. Terrell Owens

37. Edgerrin James

38. Carson Palmer

39. Vince Young

40. Calvin Johnson

41. Matt Leinart

42. Rod Smith

43. Hines Ward

44. Chad Johnson

45. Lofa Tatupu

46. DeMarcus Ware

47. Larry Johnson

48. Steven Jackson

49. A.J. Hawk

50. Adrian Peterson

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im a bolt homer but I think Merriman might have a hard time getting in with the roids and all.

but again the NFL isnt baseball so well see.

AJ hawk is pretty laughable IMO

 

[The Kansas Comet]

But more importantly, which ones will be inducted into the Hall of Now?

They should have stopped at 20 or 25.

 

[RebelINS]

Yeah, there was no reason to do 50. It would have been much better for them to just do top 20.

 

[bluesclues]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

 

[burd]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

the boneheads at ESPN apparently think so ... I'm surprised Colston didn't make the list ... if he was that good as a rookie, wouldn't ESPN think that he'd only get better?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough.... saying the same thing about a player that's never stepped on the field is absured. If they're putting players that have never played in the NFL on this list, why not include next year's top draft picks as well? They're just as qualified as CJ and AP

If you were to make a list of the top 500 players most likely to make the HOF, I'd assume that CJ and AP would be on your list, correct? I have a hard time seeing an argument that Arlen Harris is more likely to make the Hall of Fame than Adrian Peterson. So really, your argument shouldn't be that they're on a list, but rather that they're so high up on this list.Is top 50 absurd? There are only four WRs above CJ. I don't think it's possible to make an argument that Harrison/Owens/Moss/Holt aren't more likely to make the Hall than Johnson.Chad Johnson and Hines Ward are the only other WRs on the list. Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin all seem more likely to make the Hall than Calvin Johnson is. Donald Driver, Roy Wiliams and Andre Johnson are probably more likely too, as well. Marques Colston, T.J. Houshmanzadeh, Rod Smith and that ilk are probably on the same level of likelihood as Calvin Johnson.I agree putting Calvin Johnson above Chad, Hines, Smith, Wayne, Fitzgerald and Boldin is unwarranted. But I can see putting him on a top 100 list. He's certainly got a better chance to make the Hall of Fame than Amani Toomer or Joe Horn, despite the latter having accomplished so much more to date.

 

[switz]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

I do

 

[burd]

Calvin Johnson #40

Larry Johnson #47 ???

Stephen Jackson #48???

ESPN should just stick w/ reporting scores and sports news and leave the analysis to people who know what they're talking about (shameless plug for FBG)

 

[switz]

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough....

I said it about LT when he was drafted as a rookie. I said it again after his first season.Some players just have "it." I'm not so sure Peterson has "it." But I think CJ does. Granted WR seems to be the hardest position to project success in the pros, but I've been decently accurate in the past.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Palmer at 38 is an abomination.

 

[burd]

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough....

I said it about LT when he was drafted as a rookie. I said it again after his first season.Some players just have "it." I'm not so sure Peterson has "it." But I think CJ does. Granted WR seems to be the hardest position to project success in the pros, but I've been decently accurate in the past.

i'm guessing that LJ and SJax ranked so low (#47 & #48) because their body of work isn't enough to rank them higher. So my question is: "what body of work has CJ and AP done to rank them on this list?". Playing last year against players that will be selling real estate or pushing a pencil this year isn't good enough for me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Given their numbers, how much higher would Moss and Owens be, if they weren't complete d-bags?

 

[Kleck.]

I don't think it's possible to make an argument that Harrison/Owens/Moss/Holt are more likely to make the Hall than Johnson.

Am I not reading this right? It's definitely possible that Harrison is more likely. If he were to retire now, he'd be a HOF lock in my book.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

I do

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

I do

I dunno I thought CRogers was as cant miss as it gets too

 

[SSOG]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

the boneheads at ESPN apparently think so ... I'm surprised Colston didn't make the list ... if he was that good as a rookie, wouldn't ESPN think that he'd only get better?

You forgot that young players are only good if they were hyped coming out of college and drafted in the first round (see Bush over Jones-Drew).Edit: The absence of Fitzgerald is puzzling, though. Not only was he hyped out of college, but he's also produced big-time numbers, to boot.

 

[switz]

I am curious.....do people think Calvin Johnson will be a better pro than Roy Williams?

I do

I dunno I thought CRogers was as cant miss as it gets too

Hmmm... I didnt'

 

[zoonation]

I don't think it's possible to make an argument that Harrison/Owens/Moss/Holt are more likely to make the Hall than Johnson.

Am I not reading this right? It's definitely possible that Harrison is more likely. If he were to retire now, he'd be a HOF lock in my book.

I don't get that either. Owens and Harrison are locks right now. Moss and Holt are almost sure things with a couple more seasons to go.The Kool-Aid monster is nowhere near yet. To suggest that you can't make a better argument for two guys who are, right now, among the greatest of all time and have the numbers to back it up is just flat out wrong.Harrison at 8 is about right. Owens at 36 is laughable. The guy will go down as a top five receiver of all-time.

 

[Kirby]

No Zach Thomas?

 

[dcham77]

But more importantly, which ones will be inducted into the Hall of Now? They should have stopped at 20 or 25.

'Who's Now?' was the last straw. I've called my cable company and requested ESPN be removed from my basic package.

 

[Kleck.]

But more importantly, which ones will be inducted into the Hall of Now? They should have stopped at 20 or 25.

'Who's Now?' was the last straw. I've called my cable company and requested ESPN be removed from my basic package.

 

[Pipes]

#6 seems kind of high for Richard Seymour. While he's a great player I certainly don't view him as a hall-of-fame lock ahead of guys like Harrison & LT.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't think it's possible to make an argument that Harrison/Owens/Moss/Holt are more likely to make the Hall than Johnson.

Am I not reading this right? It's definitely possible that Harrison is more likely. If he were to retire now, he'd be a HOF lock in my book.

I don't get that either. Owens and Harrison are locks right now. Moss and Holt are almost sure things with a couple more seasons to go.The Kool-Aid monster is nowhere near yet. To suggest that you can't make a better argument for two guys who are, right now, among the greatest of all time and have the numbers to back it up is just flat out wrong.

Harrison at 8 is about right. Owens at 36 is laughable. The guy will go down as a top five receiver of all-time.

Oops, I meant aren't. I fixed it.

 

[kupcho1]

#6 seems kind of high for Richard Seymour. While he's a great player I certainly don't view him as a hall-of-fame lock ahead of guys like Harrison & LT.

Yeah, he's no Dwight Freeney. at this list

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't think it's possible to make an argument that Harrison/Owens/Moss/Holt are more likely to make the Hall than Johnson.

Am I not reading this right? It's definitely possible that Harrison is more likely. If he were to retire now, he'd be a HOF lock in my book.

I don't get that either. Owens and Harrison are locks right now. Moss and Holt are almost sure things with a couple more seasons to go.The Kool-Aid monster is nowhere near yet. To suggest that you can't make a better argument for two guys who are, right now, among the greatest of all time and have the numbers to back it up is just flat out wrong.Harrison at 8 is about right. Owens at 36 is laughable. The guy will go down as a top five receiver of all-time.

No way is Owens more of a lock right now over Holt. Owens overall numbers are a bit better, but that is because he has played longer. However, Owens only has four seasons where he had 1,200 receiving yards or more. Holt, meanwhile, went over the 1,200 yard mark six seasons IN A ROW. Owens also only has around 1,100 more yards than Holt all-time, despite playing three more seasons thus far. Unless Holt's career gets cut short as a result of injury or something, when it is all said and done, he will be more of HoF lock than Owens will be. Plus, Holt is a great character player and a great guy in the locker room. Owens...well, we know what his deal is there. As for Owens going down as a top five receiver of all time, his numbers may be good enough to eventually say that, but his lack of character and off-the-field B.S. will prevent many from putting him up there.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Given their numbers, how much higher would Moss and Owens be, if they weren't complete d-bags?

They are absolutely positively HOF locks in my book if their careers ended right now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Given their numbers, how much higher would Moss and Owens be, if they weren't complete d-bags?

They are absolutely positively HOF locks in my book if their careers ended right now.

They aren't in my book. While numbers are important, many of the important football intangibles go against both of those guys.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is nit picking but putting Hutchinson in front of Walter Jones?! Jones should be in the top 10, and certainly not behind Hutch the Tool. Up until last year many believed Jones was the best player in the league at any position. Ogden and Jones should be higher and right together.

 

[hephner]

But more importantly, which ones will be inducted into the Hall of Now?

They should have stopped at 20 or 25.

'Who's Now?' was the last straw. I've called my cable company and requested ESPN be removed from my basic package.

Ya, I didn't think there would be anything that could top "Who's Next" and your "Daily ESPN Deportes Update" on the make-me-throw-up-in-my-mouth list, but the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network has done it again.Bravo, Stuart Scott........Bravo.

 

[waylander]

The nerve of ESPN speculating over players anticipated production. What fantasy world do they live in?

 

[-OZ-]

10. Adam Vinatieri

IIRC, there is one PK in the Hall right now. Jan Stenerud I just don't see Vin as #10 here.

 

[switz]

10. Adam Vinatieri

IIRC, there is one PK in the Hall right now. Jan Stenerud I just don't see Vin as #10 here.

How many SuperBowl winning teams has he been on? How many Playoff Game Winning kicks has he made? I'd say he's a lock already to make it in.

 

[CalBear]

10. Adam Vinatieri

IIRC, there is one PK in the Hall right now. Jan Stenerud I just don't see Vin as #10 here.

How many SuperBowl winning teams has he been on? How many Playoff Game Winning kicks has he made? I'd say he's a lock already to make it in.

He may also hold the record for most missed Super Bowl kicks (3 FG, 1 XP).

 

[trader jake]

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough....

I said it about LT when he was drafted as a rookie. I said it again after his first season.Some players just have "it." I'm not so sure Peterson has "it." But I think CJ does. Granted WR seems to be the hardest position to project success in the pros, but I've been decently accurate in the past.

I don't think your initial take on the situation has "it" switz.So where does the Calvin Johnson, Vince Young, and Matt Leinart Hall Of Class class of 2022 rank all-time? I'd say it's top 50 for sure.

 

[switz]

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough....

I said it about LT when he was drafted as a rookie. I said it again after his first season.Some players just have "it." I'm not so sure Peterson has "it." But I think CJ does. Granted WR seems to be the hardest position to project success in the pros, but I've been decently accurate in the past.

I don't think your initial take on the situation has "it" switz.

Why is that?

 

[paulbertini]

1. Brett Favre

2. Tom Brady

3. Peyton Manning

4. Larry Allen

5. Ray Lewis

8. Marvin Harrison

9. LaDainian Tomlinson

13. Michael Strahan

14. Junior Seau

15. Tony Gonzalez

24. Steve Hutchinson

10. Adam Vinatieri

35. Ty Law

32. Randy Moss

36. Terrell Owens

HOFers

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6. Richard Seymour

7. Jonathan Ogden

11. Brian Urlacher

12. Orlando Pace

17. Champ Bailey

18. Derrick Brooks

19. Warren Sapp

20. Torry Holt

22. John Lynch

23. Alan Faneca

27. Jason Taylor

28. Shaun Alexander

25. Brian Dawkins

26. Walter Jones

37. Edgerrin James

42. Rod Smith

43. Hines Ward

44. Chad Johnson

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On The Bubble

16. Dwight Freeney

21. Shawne Merriman

29. Julius Peppers

30. Antonio Gates

31. Troy Polamalu

33. Ed Reed

34. Reggie Bush

38. Carson Palmer

39. Vince Young

40. Calvin Johnson

41. Matt Leinart

45. Lofa Tatupu

46. DeMarcus Ware

47. Larry Johnson

48. Steven Jackson

49. A.J. Hawk

50. Adrian Peterson

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all need to play much longer. some of these are a joke to even be on there like calvin, leinart, hawk...

 

[SSOG]

Saying someone has "HOF potential" after one or two years in the league is a questionable statement enough....

I said it about LT when he was drafted as a rookie. I said it again after his first season.Some players just have "it." I'm not so sure Peterson has "it." But I think CJ does. Granted WR seems to be the hardest position to project success in the pros, but I've been decently accurate in the past.

I don't think your initial take on the situation has "it" switz.

Why is that?

Because you said that you weren't sure that Peterson had "it". I think it's abundantly clear by now that, whatever "it" is, Peterson has "it" to spare.