Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm not that high, but I think wiz to 6 would be huge. Those guys mow #### down.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Freeze to 5
I agree with Culd that Pekkas aren't all that useful for TH10 attacks. I'd upgrade your golems, wiz, and freeze, in that order, if you are going to start using gowoppy.
John Bender
Footballguy
Yup
Killed my GoWipe
Normally I can GoWipe a TH10 like that for 2 stars with no issue.
I've never taken furs before and it threw me off. I forgot the whole point of them was to drop them before the wiz enter.
That was a cake 2 star if I just remember that one stupid detail.
Sorry my debut sucked.
freeannyong
Footballguy
I would do freeze to 4 first. Cheap and fast compared to others. I think it's 7 days to 3 and 10 days to 4.Instinctive said:
Then you can pick between freeze and golem.
culdeus
Footballguy
I have been waiting for soeone to make a nice table on this but the extra HP on the buildings was seemingly designed with two objectives, one to make barching harder, and two to make pekkas no longer one shot certain buildings at the typical combinations. Whether one was designed with the other in mind isn't clear.
But, of all the changes in the update for war the single biggest nerf was pekkas, for farming archers took the biggest hit. I don't think that's a particularly controversial statement either. pekkas also didn't really stand to gain so much from any of the new spells.
I think the 5x20 spam fests will continue. You might mix in 1 pekka in the 5 on certain bases, but for the most part the 5 is going to be 5 golems for the forseeable future.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Yea GoWipe sucks. We've only been slaughtered by the past few clans that run them constantly against us.
The sad part is that the only successful two stars vs th10's this war have been Gowipes. Would be nice if everyone gave it a chance and just ran them. 3-4 golems, 2 Pekkas, rest wiz/wb/arch
1 jump, 1 rage, 3 freeze, 1 poison has worked well for me lately in champs.
It's a layup two star for any low/mid tier th10. Max th10's take some heavy heroes.
The sad part is that the only successful two stars vs th10's this war have been Gowipes. Would be nice if everyone gave it a chance and just ran them. 3-4 golems, 2 Pekkas, rest wiz/wb/arch
1 jump, 1 rage, 3 freeze, 1 poison has worked well for me lately in champs.
It's a layup two star for any low/mid tier th10. Max th10's take some heavy heroes.
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Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Freeze to max always IMO. It's needed for both air and ground attacks.Instinctive said:
odin33
Footballguy
VA703
Footballguy
ive been rolling with
4 golems
2 pekkas
14 wiz
4-6 wb
CC FURS
thinking of trading a pekka for 2 witch + 1 archer. will try next war and report back
sartre
Footballguy
So I was thinking more about this last night. There must be a significant component of the quake dmg calc beyond the percentage listed in the description.MrVegas21 said:
I did exactly one experiment with quake before putting the DSF under construction again. I can attest that a fourth L1 quake will topple a lego (L9) wall.
Here's what the damage and HP remaining would look like after each quake, if the dmg was strictly percentage:
quake hp %dmg dmg end hp1 4000 0.24 960 30402 3040 0.24 730 23103 2310 0.24 554 17564 1756 0.24 421 1335But the 4th quake destroys the wall, meaning it did 1756 damage. The fourth does more damage than the first two spells combined, and more than four times what is calculated.It doesn't add up; there's more to this than they are letting us know.
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Black Box
Footballguy
To keep with the % theme with quake, maybe they judge whether a building/wall is close enough to be destroyed by a quake if it has sustained a certain % damage?
cincredfan
Footballguy
Seems to me it is just rounded up to 25% and not 25% of remaining value but 25% of original
Black Box
Footballguy
Maybe this is it. Did you check the remaining hitpoints of the walls after each quake drop?
It's almost Friday. Can we get an update to this? Have the leaders decided what we are doing or is this dead until next week?
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I used to be on Honda but left once they went serious. If there's a opt out, or famer clan, I'd join back up.
sartre
Footballguy
The replay is gone as this occurred on Saturday. But all the guides I have seen (including Ash's guide posted above by Jason) indicate that the dmg is based off of current HP rather than initial HP. I suppose they could all be wrong. But the implication then is that you can simply auto-star ANY base by dropping 10 quakes on the TH (L3 or L4 spells).
freeannyong
Footballguy
Morodor for the builngs you are correct, it's a percentage of remaining health.
Looks like walls fall under a different set of rules for it.
Looks like walls fall under a different set of rules for it.
culdeus
Footballguy
They have said at some point the damage rounds down to 0 if it's low enough. So once you get past that point it's a dead wall.
culdeus
Footballguy
1335/4000 is just shy of .333333
Maybe it rounds down to 0 once it passes 1/3 remaining health.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
On the Wiki they think it destroys a building that is below 20% of it's full health.
Just guessing, but for a Wall it may be more like 40%
Just guessing, but for a Wall it may be more like 40%
sartre
Footballguy
What makes this difficult to reconcile is that Ash states it also takes four level 4 quakes to topple the same wall.
The second L4 quake should theoretically take a wall to 27% original HP.
Yet it still takes two more L4 spells to drop it.
culdeus
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
Exactly. I may be coming across as pedantic about quake, but I assume there must be some exploitable advantage to upgrading it. We could better leverage that advantage if we figure it out before the masses.
Right now it seems silly to move it past L1 unless you have maxed everything else.
sartre
Footballguy
The question is, why wouldn't two L4 quakes accomplish what four L1 quakes do? A wall would have lower % initial HP after two L4 quakes than it would four L1 quakes.
Maybe there is a constant in the equation - e.g., 50 hp + 6%
culdeus
Footballguy
Well haste is the gamechanger this update for sure. And very few of us have it even unlocked yet, let alone leveled up.
Already videos out there of TH9 just face rolling TH9 with maxed out hastes.
I'm really struggling right now to get any sort of offense going down a queen. I'm only about 2 weeks away from putting her on ice at AQ30 and working on the BK for a bit, and with little in the way of a hurry as priority will be DE for haste.
culdeus
Footballguy
FBGS isn't quite full but getting close at this point.
While I don't think it's going to make a giant difference given our struggles lately we probably have to consider going to 45 person wars shortly.
Staying at 50 seems to me to be something that would be hard to accomplish unless we had 50 non alts and let the alts sit in global or some other fbg clan opted out for an emergency add.
I will be opting out as of next wednesday for the following 7 wars so there will be room for 2 at the inn during that time.
I had family in for the weekend and am now woefully behind with work, so I'm probably not going to take the time to update it anytime soon.
It was looking to me that it would be impossible to get 50-person wars going. I'm fine in Honda if we can have the occasional 40v40 and 35v35 being the norm. If we start struggling again to get 30 opting in, I'd revisit.
Jayrod
Footballguy
On a side note, why are you set up to be an easy two star? They had their 19 come up and get you. I think I'd have a reasonable shot at two on you as a th9. Just curious as to your reasoning is all.
culdeus
Footballguy
All bases are easy two stars. I would hope anyone could 2 star my base. I am setup to stop the 3. If someone gets me 2 starred in one attempt so be it. Making it harder to 2 star as a TH9 makes it easier to 3 star.
beer 30
Footballguy
freeannyong
Footballguy
Our lack of 2 would suggest otherwise. I've been thinking of going to a centered TH approach as we are facing gowoppy clans that are happy with 2.
culdeus
Footballguy
Well this is a core philosophy thing. First, I also don't really see myself as a TH10 from the perspective of defense. If a clan has trouble getting 2 stars on a non-inferno base then they are most likely not a threat to beat us. I'd rather defend the situation where they would attempt to try for the 3 on me rather than a harder base. Now, one could point out that 3 starring even a max TH9 is really hard now post update without TH10 level troops and/or 20/20+ heroes and they would be right.
I still don't know exactly where that leaves us with base design. The location of the townhall is of little concern. This war I actually had gadhii's base on and forgot to change it. I've been running with a deeper TH and likely will continue that just because now the clan castle can be made a ez lure.
beer 30
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
I've been too lazy to change my farming base, which I made for TH9 many months ago.
I'm changing it to that CF10.
I have nexted over that base hundreds of times, if not thousands. Today I thought I'd take a crack at one that had the AQ down and a sweeper under construction. I can't remember the last time I failed so hard when my deployment went as intended.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Our TH10's need to get with the times and adopt the clover. Stop being lazy and redo your bases. Literally just copy my war base.
sartre
Footballguy
I like when you dubbed the CF10 base 'clover', because it proliferates like a weed. Usually a base this old is solved by now. It's only going to keep expanding in popularity. Maybe L4 quake is the answer.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
My concern is that we'll all have that base and come up against a clan that has it figured out.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Gadi says it's a terrible base that is easy to take down with mass witches.
I'm 0-6 using mass witches against it.
I'm 0-6 using mass witches against it.
culdeus
Footballguy
This is possible. A mix of single target multi target and clumpers versus not versus different cc mix.
