culdeus
Footballguy
Still not sure why you hate valks so much. With high level heroes Valks can just trash the core of bases while heroes work the angles. And now they got a huge war buff.
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Footballguy
2 star attacks are the new 3 star attacks
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Don't get this. Never, ever seen the good th9s use witches for anything at all. You had a shot to flex witches and had a cleanup fail as a 30/30. Just saying. Ultimatly that base was cleared by....valks.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
This actually gives me hope.
And this video solidifies what I have always thought about matchmaking. It has been 50/50 offense and defense. The rank you see in the war lineup and war weight that everyone has been using is calculated only using the defensive weight. The offensive weight has never been seen by the users.
And the reason clans can match each other by using the defensive weight is because those clans generally develop their offense first, so bases that have similar defensive weights also usually have similar offensive weights.
And the reason clans can match each other by using the defensive weight is because those clans generally develop their offense first, so bases that have similar defensive weights also usually have similar offensive weights.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
If you haven't already...you can boot me from the FBG clan.
I deleted the app a few days ago.
I deleted the app a few days ago.
culdeus
Footballguy
Offense weight, even if it was used (and I doubt it) was irrelevant. At any TH level there were really only 3-5 troops that mattered. There was never a reason to avoid building a troop (well, except pekka maybe?) and the lab was always going to complete first at any TH over defense.
The fact they are de-weighting offense in favor of defense (assuming what they are saying is taken at face value) is true it's actually quite alarming. It shows how out of touch they are with how high level wars actually work. (Hero driven, not troop driven)
The fact they are de-weighting offense in favor of defense (assuming what they are saying is taken at face value) is true it's actually quite alarming. It shows how out of touch they are with how high level wars actually work. (Hero driven, not troop driven)
That goes against what people who actually talk to developers say. And it goes against why fair play clans avoid having .5s in their scheduled wars. Jake and others have said .5s will screw with the matchmaking. Of course they will - we have no idea what the offensive weight is.
From ash:
Clash With Ash Mobile Gaming6 hours ago
One question that I asked the dev team (that I should have mentioned in the video more specifically) is why .5 wouldn't be more viable again after matchmaking update. It seemed pretty obvious to me that adding weight to EA/IT would against give credence to the .5 upgrade system. They said the answer was a bit complicated but here are the main points:
Three Factors:
1) This was done mainly to add more overall weight to Infernos/EA/Heroes and (not mentioned) also max level troops to avoid people totally hiding one or more max level units to game the system.
2) There is still an advantage in terms of individual base weight to holding off on EA or IT but if you have max level offenses you're more than likely still going to be pulling in a base that DOES have IT/EA - so you're putting your clan at an EA/IT disadvantage, which really matters in 3 star attempts.
3) When you add that check box that values individual base offensive vs defensive balancing for more precise matches you are making yourselves a bit more susceptible to mismatches (either in your favor or against you) and I think most would agree that having an even match versus rolling the dice is preferable. Essentially, it's much harder for the system to accurately match a .5 Hope that helps clear up that question a bit more for folks!
That goes against what people who actually talk to developers say. And it goes against why fair play clans avoid having .5s in their scheduled wars. Jake and others have said .5s will screw with the matchmaking. Of course they will - we have no idea what the offensive weight is.
From ash:
Clash With Ash Mobile Gaming6 hours ago
One question that I asked the dev team (that I should have mentioned in the video more specifically) is why .5 wouldn't be more viable again after matchmaking update. It seemed pretty obvious to me that adding weight to EA/IT would against give credence to the .5 upgrade system. They said the answer was a bit complicated but here are the main points:
Three Factors:
1) This was done mainly to add more overall weight to Infernos/EA/Heroes and (not mentioned) also max level troops to avoid people totally hiding one or more max level units to game the system.
2) There is still an advantage in terms of individual base weight to holding off on EA or IT but if you have max level offenses you're more than likely still going to be pulling in a base that DOES have IT/EA - so you're putting your clan at an EA/IT disadvantage, which really matters in 3 star attempts.
3) When you add that check box that values individual base offensive vs defensive balancing for more precise matches you are making yourselves a bit more susceptible to mismatches (either in your favor or against you) and I think most would agree that having an even match versus rolling the dice is preferable. Essentially, it's much harder for the system to accurately match a .5 Hope that helps clear up that question a bit more for folks!
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Black Box
Footballguy
Are any of the modding clans that honda has faced recently openly recruiting?
It might be fun to start screwing with them. Like getting a high-level alt in, earning trust, joining a war, and then switching the base at the last minute to putting everything out, reading "F U MODDERS", and leaving the clan.
It might be fun to start screwing with them. Like getting a high-level alt in, earning trust, joining a war, and then switching the base at the last minute to putting everything out, reading "F U MODDERS", and leaving the clan.
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Footballguy
My son this morning was telling me that someone from Honda did just that - forgot who. Maybe Butkus?
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culdeus
Footballguy
I think what's going on is a subtle pivot towards giving certain youtubers more voice. I haven't gotten much into this here, but Ash and PB have been picked to be sort of messengers for SC.
I think you still have to reconcile a few facts that SC is not dispelling. The heyday of the X.5 was early to mid last year. That was when wall weight was added which for the most part neutralized the advantage that X.5 had in war. It created, however headaches for lots of other clans when they got what we would call the "pink wall wars" in fbgs.
Those pink wall wars were the best evidence to date that they did at least somehow factor offense as those bases tended to have the standard gowipe type stuff maxed out but little else.
I think what's happened here is that they have listened to Ash and PB instead of galadon and pat and have implemented a more "fair" system. Their terminology is poor, but you can tell what they are after here. They want bases to be matched on the level of defense and ignore offense since really, at the end of the day everyone like you said has mostly the same level of offense.
What you should see is an end of these rushed TH10 matching TH9s. What you might see is a buff to TH9.5 since it seems like based on the leaks that they have dramatically raised the weights of Infernos.
beer 30
Footballguy
you've said too much
If they can mod they can probably hack into my bank account. LOL...jokes on them.
I think I have an exit strategy. If anyone has any last questions you want me to ask them before I get booted let me know. We war search tonight and I'll be in it. I'm going to ask who my target is. When I get that I'm going to ask where are my target's big bombs and what's in the clan castle.
And before I get the boot I'm going to put wall breakers in all their clan castles.
Then I'm going to have my base changed to say "Report this clan to SC....They MOD.....F U Cheaters"
I think I have an exit strategy. If anyone has any last questions you want me to ask them before I get booted let me know. We war search tonight and I'll be in it. I'm going to ask who my target is. When I get that I'm going to ask where are my target's big bombs and what's in the clan castle.
And before I get the boot I'm going to put wall breakers in all their clan castles.
Then I'm going to have my base changed to say "Report this clan to SC....They MOD.....F U Cheaters"
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Footballguy
Epic!
culdeus
Footballguy
The Future Champs
Footballguy
It would be so simple to nerf the modders. All we need are multiple war bases that randomly select upon attack, with the only allowed variations being the CC troops, and tesla and trap placement.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
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beer 30
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Or allow each player to set up multiple war bases and give them the ability to switch in-between attacks.
Makes war harder for everyone, but eliminates cheating and rewards good attacking clans.
Honda beats the Modders! Honda beats the Modders!
Carry on.
Carry on.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It ends them. But, so what?
No reason this game has to have two attacks on the same base. If it kills modding forever it's an easy trade for me.
culdeus
Footballguy
There are plenty of reasons to have multiple attacks on the same base. And I don't think this will kill modding any more than just not allowing replay of 0 star hits.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
"same base" meaning identical layout
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
lol Cliff, pretty sure I disclosed this when you were in Honda. 99% of Honda's learning curve have been from Aidan, other high level guys who started the game with us in the early FBGS/Boog days and went through Honda through its various makeup, and what I learn in FBGS from the TH11s and TH10s that I share with the group in Honda. Really good stuff.
The rest are our guys who just figured stuff out as we go, most recently and notably Rob who likes to practice a lot outside of wars and try stuff in raids. We had a few guys like this, for the love of the game yo!
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
such a satisfying win after all the modders we lost to last minute recently. good job Honda, way to not give up!Clayton Gray said:
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'm sure you did but my memory is crap. Rob cut his teeth on the Serious Bus under the tutelage of such greats as PDP and Myk/Patswillwin.lol Cliff, pretty sure I disclosed this when you were in Honda. 99% of Honda's learning curve have been from Aidan, other high level guys who started the game with us in the early FBGS/Boog days and went through Honda through its various makeup, and what I learn in FBGS from the TH11s and TH10s that I share with the group in Honda. Really good stuff.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I give credit to you for showing me TH8 hogging Cliff. You were murder with them at the time.
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Yep, the same guys who were in Honda teaching everyone the ropes at one point. I can't remember all of them, but we started with more than a few of those guys in Honda.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
I didn't see this mentioned about the upcoming changes, that thread in the Supercell forums call out return to 3 minute battle time in war. I've become dependent on the extra time mostly to kill cc with poison at TH9, where you see mostly drag-skull or drag-ground. It's rare to go the full 3:30 but I remember running out of time a few times back before the increase. on the other hand more than a few attacks against us would have ended before getting the 3 stars in recent wars with the change back to 3 minutes. I don't know if I like this or not.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Where is that thread?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
I'd like to see how many attacks a drag and skulls can get in while under double poison. I'm guessing it is zero for the skulls and maybe 2 for the drag? Seems to me you're just wasting 5 spots and 30+ seconds popping and poisoning. 2 hits from a drag on a golem is nothing and your kill squad makes short work of them.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
never thought about it that way, i would have guessed at least twice for skulls but I just watched some replays where we don't pull and it's one and done at best. it's a mental thing i guess, one less thing to worry about once i start dropping troops.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Attack on Ramsay, the drag didn't fire once under single poison because of the slow down and that it kept trying to target skellies that would die first.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Love the L6 Goblin news.
Having troops leave area of poison makes the CC a lot more relevant now too. Can't just lure them and wait until they die.
Also like that they're still looking for ways to reduce build bottlenecks. Bet they cut troop times to a max of 30 mins.
Having troops leave area of poison makes the CC a lot more relevant now too. Can't just lure them and wait until they die.
Also like that they're still looking for ways to reduce build bottlenecks. Bet they cut troop times to a max of 30 mins.
