CLE LB D'Qwell Jackson (1 Viewer)

[trader jake]

Per PFT D'Qwell Jackson is out for the year.

Browns lost best defender Jackson for seasonPosted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 20, 2009 5:43 PM ETThe Browns defense hasn't had much going for it the last few years, but they have had D'Qwell Jackson, a rock solid inside linebacker that racks up tackles.Now they don't have him for the rest of 2009.Adam Schefter of ESPN reports the Browns placed Jackson on injured reserve Tuesday with a shoulder injury.Jackson was third in the NFL in tackles with 59 and finished first in the league with 2008 with 154. Of course, playing on the Browns gives linebackers plenty of pad their numbers because teams are always running on them.With Jackson out, don't expect that to change anytime soon.

There are a lot of tackle opportunities to be had in that Browns defense.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

damn.

bump Kaluka Maiava way up I guess.

 

[WOW6616]

Wouldn't this also significantly up Eric Barton's value?

 

[johnnyboy8102]

I am curious about Barton as well. He has meager big play potential but his 49 tackles has him as the best waiver option out there in my league.

 

[future_itisnow]

damn.bump Kaluka Maiava way up I guess.

Anything close to official on this yet out of Clev? I am guessing Maiava and Veikune are next in line.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Anything close of official on this yet out of Clev? I am guessing Maiava and Veikune are next in line.

based on where they were drafted, it would seem that Veikune would get first crack. But, it was Maiava that replaced him in the Steelers game this week so I assume that the coaches are more comfortable with him right now.

Jackson out: D'Qwell Jackson suffered a shoulder injury in the second quarter and didn't return in the second half. He was replaced by Kaluka Maiava instead of second-round pick David Veikune, who's listed behind Jackson on the depth chart. The Browns were already without their other top linebacker, Kamerion Wimbley, who was sent home Sunday morniing with the flu.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...nd_notes_3.html

Im not sure what the deal is with rookie linebacker David Veikune, but the second-rounder still wasn't able to get on the field for the defense - despite linebackers Kamerion Wimbley (flu) and D'Qwell Jackson (shoulder injury) being out, Jackson only playing the first half. Instead, Justin Trusnik made his first career start in place of Wimbley, and the Nordonia product had some decent moments. When Jackson went out, fourth-rounder Kaluka Maiava played inside linebacker. It seems switching Veikune from defensive end at Hawaii to linebacker in the pros has not been an easy adjustment.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/plaindealer....xml&coll=2

 

[Great Justini]

looks like maiava was 5-1 with a ff in the second half -- that's not bad.

steelers ran about 30 plays split evenly pass/run.

dq produced 5-2 in the first half.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

So is Barton a safe play for decent tackle numbers?

 

[MAC_32]

Actions speak louder than words, but Mangini is treating Veikune as his long term ILB project. Maybe he's being convinced otherwise, maybe he thinks Veikune still needs more work. Regardless, Maiva's probably the guy in the near term, once you fall behind on the depth chart (as Veikune has) you need to earn your PT based on performance. How the two play will dictate who has the job in the future.

If I had my way they'd both be starting in the middle with Barton riding pine. Barton sucks. Problem is Mangini wants to have Barton's love child and refuses to take him out, no matter how many tackles he misses and play making opportunities he blows.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I think we're likely to hear talk about Veikune and possibly even Bowens, who's played inside for Mangini in the past with marginal effectiveness, but this job is Maiava's unless he completely flops. Veikune and Bowens are great fits as flow and chase backers and I think Veikune is considered Barton's primary backup. Not that the two positions aren't somewhat interchangeable, but I think Maiava is the guy here.

I think the bump in value for Barton and Elam is probably more significant than Maiava's upside for now, but neither Barton or Elam have been impressive. If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

 

[thedudesdude]

If Bowens is listed as a DL in my league should I jump on him? Do we see him moving inside on at least some snaps? I see the 5-3 predicted for this week. that would be HUGE in my tackle heavy IDP league.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

I think we're likely to hear talk about Veikune and possibly even Bowens, who's played inside for Mangini in the past with marginal effectiveness, but this job is Maiava's unless he completely flops. Veikune and Bowens are great fits as flow and chase backers and I think Veikune is considered Barton's primary backup. Not that the two positions aren't somewhat interchangeable, but I think Maiava is the guy here.I think the bump in value for Barton and Elam is probably more significant than Maiava's upside for now, but neither Barton or Elam have been impressive. If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

Jene, I need a bye week replacement for Ray Lewis this week. Brooking, Julian Peterson, and Barton are available. Since I have Fletcher and Willis starting already should I just play it safe for this week and take my 8-10 tackles from Barton?

 

[TheArchitect]

I think the bump in value for Barton and Elam is probably more significant than Maiava's upside for now, but neither Barton or Elam have been impressive. If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

No statistics to validate, but I think the other starting LBs and the SS soak up a lot of the tackles in these situations.

 

[Darko M]

If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

Nice add? I think whomever plays ILB for the Browns has the potential to be a top 5 LB in IDPs... that would be a HUGE mid season add. Didn't Maiava pick up 5 tackles and a forced fumble in the 2nd half after D'qwell went out in week 6?<<< D'qwell owner, praying Maiava steps right into D'qwell's shoes.

 

[saintfool]

I think we're likely to hear talk about Veikune and possibly even Bowens, who's played inside for Mangini in the past with marginal effectiveness, but this job is Maiava's unless he completely flops. Veikune and Bowens are great fits as flow and chase backers and I think Veikune is considered Barton's primary backup. Not that the two positions aren't somewhat interchangeable, but I think Maiava is the guy here.

I think the bump in value for Barton and Elam is probably more significant than Maiava's upside for now, but neither Barton or Elam have been impressive. If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

wasn't there some chatter in recent weeks about Veikune at DE?

 

[Jene Bramel]

If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

Nice add? I think whomever plays ILB for the Browns has the potential to be a top 5 LB in IDPs... that would be a HUGE mid season add. Didn't Maiava pick up 5 tackles and a forced fumble in the 2nd half after D'qwell went out in week 6?<<< D'qwell owner, praying Maiava steps right into D'qwell's shoes.

The Packers will play plenty of three wide receiver sets this week. If the Browns defend them the same way they did the Steelers, Maiava may not see 50% of the team's snaps this week.I agree that the opportunity is there (in most weeks or if he assumes an every-down role), but Maiava isn't likely to pick up right where Jackson left off. For every David Hawthorne, there are three Freddie Keiaho/Marcus Buggs type backups. Definitely worth an add, but nobody should be expecting a 95 solo tackle pace.

I think we're likely to hear talk about Veikune and possibly even Bowens, who's played inside for Mangini in the past with marginal effectiveness, but this job is Maiava's unless he completely flops. Veikune and Bowens are great fits as flow and chase backers and I think Veikune is considered Barton's primary backup. Not that the two positions aren't somewhat interchangeable, but I think Maiava is the guy here.

I think the bump in value for Barton and Elam is probably more significant than Maiava's upside for now, but neither Barton or Elam have been impressive. If Maiava can tackle, he's going to be a nice add.

wasn't there some chatter in recent weeks about Veikune at DE?

Veikune got a lot of preseason snaps at OLB after the comments that he was getting reps inside. He's played both sparingly this season.

 

[Chickenskin]

Just to sum up if all Clev LB's are available on the waiver wire, who would you pick up?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Just to sum up if all Clev LB's are available on the waiver wire, who would you pick up?

Barton is the ILB most likely to play all downs so I'd grab him.

 

[Zoomanji]

I read that they expect DQwell to be healthy within 12 weeks.

Back for the playoffs

 

[Chickenskin]

Just to sum up if all Clev LB's are available on the waiver wire, who would you pick up?

Barton is the ILB most likely to play all downs so I'd grab him.

Thanks. That's who I grabbed. Hopefully Barton will be an adequate replacement.

 

[Great Justini]

The Packers will play plenty of three wide receiver sets this week. If the Browns defend them the same way they did the Steelers, Maiava may not see 50% of the team's snaps this week.

thx for that nugget -- I've been agonizing about who to replace dq with this week.you're saying they take him out in nickel and leave wimbley and barton in there?

 

[ffchamp1]

The Packers will play plenty of three wide receiver sets this week. If the Browns defend them the same way they did the Steelers, Maiava may not see 50% of the team's snaps this week.

thx for that nugget -- I've been agonizing about who to replace dq with this week.you're saying they take him out in nickel and leave wimbley and barton in there?

Do NOT overlook David Bowens. I have not heard anything that states he is out of the mix and if I recall, he replaced DQ.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

The Packers will play plenty of three wide receiver sets this week. If the Browns defend them the same way they did the Steelers, Maiava may not see 50% of the team's snaps this week.

thx for that nugget -- I've been agonizing about who to replace dq with this week.you're saying they take him out in nickel and leave wimbley and barton in there?

Do NOT overlook David Bowens. I have not heard anything that states he is out of the mix and if I recall, he replaced DQ.

Looks like Kaluka Maiava may get the start- will be interesting to see how much of a rotation is worked in. Maiava will also remain on special teams-Linky- Maiava to Start

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

The Packers will play plenty of three wide receiver sets this week. If the Browns defend them the same way they did the Steelers, Maiava may not see 50% of the team's snaps this week.

thx for that nugget -- I've been agonizing about who to replace dq with this week.you're saying they take him out in nickel and leave wimbley and barton in there?

Do NOT overlook David Bowens. I have not heard anything that states he is out of the mix and if I recall, he replaced DQ.

Looks like Kaluka Maiava may get the start- will be interesting to see how much of a rotation is worked in. Maiava will also remain on special teams-Linky- Maiava to Start

good to hear even tho its not from a local cleveland paper. someone from Maiava's home must have landed the scoop

 

[bcr8f]

I read that they expect DQwell to be healthy within 12 weeks.

Back for the playoffs

Exactly.

 

[Darko M]

Maiava 5 tackles 1st half...all of the skeptism in this thread had me bench him..anyone playing ILB for the Browns looks to be start worthy.

 

[gandalas]

Maiava 5 tackles 1st half...all of the skeptism in this thread had me bench him..anyone playing ILB for the Browns looks to be start worthy.

Did he not have anything in the second half, then? I had him ending up with 5 tackles for the game. So what happened to him in the second half if he got all of those in the first half?I started him as my LB4 in our tackle-heavy league - 10 points is nice, but 15-20 would have been a LOT better.

 

[SugarNuts]

Maiava 5 tackles 1st half...all of the skeptism in this thread had me bench him..anyone playing ILB for the Browns looks to be start worthy.

Did he not have anything in the second half, then? I had him ending up with 5 tackles for the game. So what happened to him in the second half if he got all of those in the first half?I started him as my LB4 in our tackle-heavy league - 10 points is nice, but 15-20 would have been a LOT better.

Anyone have anymore info on this?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Maiava 5 tackles 1st half...all of the skeptism in this thread had me bench him..anyone playing ILB for the Browns looks to be start worthy.

Did he not have anything in the second half, then? I had him ending up with 5 tackles for the game. So what happened to him in the second half if he got all of those in the first half?I started him as my LB4 in our tackle-heavy league - 10 points is nice, but 15-20 would have been a LOT better.

Anyone have anymore info on this?

Still not playing in every subpackage and David Bowens took some snaps at ILB in the second half.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

maiava saw 25 snaps in the first half, but only 5 in the second half, for whatever reason.

in the second half it looks like they moved bowens inside and replaced him on the outside with trusnik.

looks like maiava actually had one snap mid third, and one in the 4th, so it doesn't really seem like an injury.

maybe they just didn't like his work, or wanted to take a look at a couple different personnal groups.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i may be wrong here but i think i remember a very large chunk of Ryan Grant's #'s coming in the 2nd half(Grant owner). i'm pretty sure when the Packers were up big they rode Grant. i know the browns have alot of D deficiencies but i don't think that really bodes well for Bowens (when i thought run stuffing was a strength of his)

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I did some sleuthing on maiava, and saw this post in a cle blog:

Although it was nearly impossible to do, I believe the announcers also commented that Maiava was the man who came over late when Elam blitzed on Driver's big touchdown catch and run. Maiava was also flagged for a personal foul.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/so, I checked the game log, and the personal foul was right at the start of the 3rd quarter --- that was pretty much it for him for the second half.

2-3-GB 23

(14:15) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 85-G.Jennings to GB 31 for 8 yards (50-E.Barton). PENALTY on CLV-56-K.Maiava, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at GB 31.

he came out for 2 plays right after that, went back in for one play, then only got a couple random snaps for the rest of the half.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Linebacker Eric Barton left in the second quarter with a shoulder injury and did not return.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...l_lewis_sa.html

 

[Goldalene]

Given how well Jackson was doing this year, will he have the same role and opportunity next season? (I.e. a good buy low in dynasty if you can afford to roster him this year).

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Given how well Jackson was doing this year, will he have the same role and opportunity next season? (I.e. a good buy low in dynasty if you can afford to roster him this year).

absolutely.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Given how well Jackson was doing this year, will he have the same role and opportunity next season? (I.e. a good buy low in dynasty if you can afford to roster him this year).

absolutely.

I think there's a good chance that the Browns may have a new coaching staff and defensive scheme next year. Jackson is at some risk of being shifted to a slightly less advantageous position, but there isn't anyone else on the current roster likely to compete for tackles and the opportunity (hard to see this team getting better quickly) should still be high.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

so who are we down to start at the 2 ILB spots for the Browns now that Barton and Jackson are done for the year? nobody produced much against the Bears. Bears put up 30pts but didn't really do much offensively. we're down to Bowens/Maiava/Veikune

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so who are we down to start at the 2 ILB spots for the Browns now that Barton and Jackson are done for the year? nobody produced much against the Bears. Bears put up 30pts but didn't really do much offensively. we're down to Bowens/Maiava/Veikune

I don't want to pretend to be any authority on the subject, but I'd imagine you'd see bowens/maiava on the inside in 3-4, with a few more 4-3 looks, mixed in with 3-3 nickel, 4-1 dime, etc.you can monitor the blogs during their bye, and I don't imagine you'll see a lot of nickel/dime vs balt the following week, so the question probably is how much 3-4 do they stick with, and who sits/sticks if they play any appreciable amount of 4-3 --- balt should be a great match up.

I'll definitely be interested in pff week 8 when it's done.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_team.php?ta...ts=&gameid=

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

maiava update:

should I just give him his own thread?

before barton went out, barton played every snap while maiava played about a third.

after barton went out it was maiva + bowens on the inside w/a few 3 lb sets mixed in --- maiva played every snap.

he finished with about 50 snaps for 2-3 tackles and a pd.

next week --- Baltimore......

 

[drew726]

Wow just realized they list Bowens as a DE in Espn. He's a must grab off the WW if you're on ESPN.

 

[TheArchitect]

Wow just realized they list Bowens as a DE in Espn. He's a must grab off the WW if you're on ESPN.

Bowens designated as a DL in CBS too. Also, Bryan Scott designated as DB in most leagues, but playing LB!