GregR
Footballguy
I didn't pay close enough attention to the secondary. Did Gilbert get all the first team snaps last night in place of Skrine?
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MAC_32
Footballguy
if he didn't get all of them he got a lot of them.
Gilbert will be just fine.
Gilbert + the Bills top 5 pick + the Bills 4th rounder for Watkins. Winning
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Good.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
How have the Baltimore Ravens done, the real team that actually fired Belichick?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't know if Pettine/O'Rien plan to specifically use Haden in that role but they said on draft day that the plan all along was to take CB Justin Gilbert so Pettine could impliment his press-man coverage schemes and free-up a safety.jurb26 said:
We let SS T.J. Ward go because he wasn't a fit for this scheme. He played-up in the box a ton and was in on a lot of tackles. Whitner has a rep as an enforcer over the middle but he is better at creating turnovers than TJ was and he's better in coverage. Pettine said he doesn't split his safties into traditional 'strong' and 'free' safety roles but he said that both Joe and Justin are their to play 'man-press' coverage and free-up a safety.
Basically look at the Bills-D last year. Corners playing-man press which means a LB or a safety is free to blitz. Pettiene needs two strong press-man CBs to run that scheme.
He hasn't given anything away this preseason in terms of tipping his hand with blitz packages. Any blitz that has been run this preseason has been pretty vanilla overload type of blitzes but we still have gotten 'decent' pressure. The Bills gave up a lot of yards and big plays but they got pressure and created turnovers.
This D should be fun to watch this year.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
People will grasp for anything.amnesiac said:
I can believe it. He played well for 2.25 games and the final preseason game against the Bears...and is fresh off surgery.
The good news is, they are not force feeding Manziel when it's clear he needs more time learning from practice and the sidelines.
daveR
Footballguy
Per Mary Kay: Cleveland Browns QB Johnny Manziel could play with QB Brian Hoyer in a two-quarterback system later in the season, according to head coach Mike Pettine. Pettine said a package for Manziel is on the table. Pettine said he didn't anticipate a platoon early in the season. Pettine also made it clear that Hoyer is on a week-to-week trial.
Of course, that's just HER opinion, and we know what that's worth...
Of course, that's just HER opinion, and we know what that's worth...
daveR
Footballguy
I think they know he (Hoyer) needs more reps to get the timing down. That was the plan from the beginning. That's why they decided to pick a starter after game 2. Gives them a couple weeks.
It'd be nice if Gordon cared enough to catch the ball.
MAC_32
Footballguy
browns telecast said during first drive coaches did not plan to use Tate much tonight
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Agreed. Front 7 should be wicked good. If the secondary can do it's part, we'll be just fine on that side of the ball. Anyone notice how much run McFadden has been getting all preseason? Me too...and that will change come Pitt.
JFF making things happen. This playbook lingo has been underplayed...once he gets the offense down, I think he's going to be ok.
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metoo
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jason La Canfora@JasonLaCanfora · Aug 26
The Lions are making calls around the league looking to bolster their secondary. The Browns are gauging interest in their DL
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We're pretty deep on D-Line and the Pack always seems to be pretty deep at WR.
BJ Raji just landed on IR a couple of days ago.
The Lions are making calls around the league looking to bolster their secondary. The Browns are gauging interest in their DL
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We're pretty deep on D-Line and the Pack always seems to be pretty deep at WR.
BJ Raji just landed on IR a couple of days ago.
amnesiac
beer is good
Cobb?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
just thinking he's in the last year of his contract, i think?
Khy
Footballguy
Browns fans... can you all work this out on some kind of local Browns form or take out an add in the Cleveland newspapers to all show up to the stadium wearing these t-shirts?
http://teespring.com/hita#####notabong
I feel like this would be hilarious to see at a game and be seriously embarrassing for the NFL.
http://teespring.com/hita#####notabong
I feel like this would be hilarious to see at a game and be seriously embarrassing for the NFL.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
3rd string better than Chicago's 
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The Good
- Nobody got hurt
I'm not sure we've ever had an offseason and training camp and entire preseason without one solid starter getting injured but somehow we managed that this year so you have to recognize that even with the suspension of JG.
- Hoyer and the offense actually made a crip decisive drive albeit against second stringers
I think Brian's struggles are four-fold. The ACL is effecting him even if its in small ways losing even slight mobility or explosion in the NFL can make a difference. Pettine has mentioned this and I think its a valid point. He's learning Shanny's offense. The receivers and the rest of the O is learning Shanny's offense. The decision and the reps that went to JFF and the packages that are being created for Johnny which have taken away reps for Brian. Bottom line. Brian should improve both physically as he continues to come back from the ACL and he and the rest of the team should get more comfy with Shanny's offense.
- JFF showed up
Look at what he did and how that effects a defense. JFF hadn't showed up and if you ask why you find an answer. At A&M the offense was built on speed and freelancing by Johnny. What does that do to a pass rush? It tires it out. If Johnny takes off once or twice or his scrambles are run over time where the pass rush can catch their wind he isn't JFF but last night we saw him take the reins and do his thing where he found a rythmn and quite frankly he gassed the D-Line. He made his big throw outside of the pocket after he had made a few runs and forced the pass rush to try and catch him. They were tired and the DE who had contain on that play literally fell down and didn't even get up. Manziel had a wide open passing lane and he was running forward giving him extra momentum and his arm extra strength. THIS IS HIS GAME. Running around and tiring out a defense which open up passing lanes that he can step-up into. This could work in the NFL at the very least in packages but Johnny would have to get the D tired by running around. That is the key IMHO.
- This WR free agent Taylor Gabriel could make the team and earn PT
Kid has lead the team in receptions and yardage. He's the only one consistently performing/producing. What more can you ask for?
- Kirksey
Wow. We may actually have found a gem. Pass coverage is his thing but he has shown he is really good against the run also. I have to say that Robertson has also looked solid in the run game too so it looks like a LB-BC for now but this kid looks great.
- Mingo
I'm still a bit leery but he isn't just playing horseshoes out there where he only getting close, he's making traps. Now can he do that against Big Ben? I'm not so sure but he has impressed this preseason so he gets props.
The Bad
- Justin Gilbert
WTF? I've heard of soft coverage, I've seen soft coverage but playing twenty yards off of Santonio? Soft is one thing, limp is another. Dude needs a fluffer. I had no idea it was Gilbert but I saw how the DB was lined up and I was screaming at the screen and saw that TD happen in slow-mo. Only afterwards I realized it was GIl and I'm thinking WTF? Doesn't this kid run a 4.3 something? Isn't he supposed to be great playing press? He had safety help and he's stilli playing so far off I couldn't read the number on the screen. He's looked awful the last two games. Just bad. We can't have him start the way he's playing right now. His confidence is shattered or something. Bleh!
- Hoyer
He's still not right. Scrambles to his left, has Jordan wide open on the corner and throws fifteen yards out of bounds.
- Manziel
What the heck is up with his deep ball? What the hell? I'm utterly at a loss. Positively Brady Qinn-eske in terms of horrific throws.
The Average
- The receivers
No need to elaborate
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Random thoughts
I think we hadn't played Crowell because we know he's not ready and we wanted to try and sneak him on the practice squad, not happening now.
The issues on offense, not just the QBs or receivers seems to be a Shanahan issue. Throwing too much too soon, the split reps at QB, the new blocking scheme (that is coming along fine but its still new stuff) the new personnel at RB/WR/QB, new coaches, etc. Basically that would have taken time and we should have anticipated bumps but added to that is Hoyer's ACL and the unorthodox way Manziel plays, err plays well. If we try to force JFF into being a pocket passer then we blew those picks but if we do see how effective he can be if he is able to gas a D to open up passing lanes then we may have a weapon that will make defenses lose their urine. He can scare the jabeejus out of defenses if he is able to play his game even if his deep ball looks fugly.
- Nobody got hurt
I'm not sure we've ever had an offseason and training camp and entire preseason without one solid starter getting injured but somehow we managed that this year so you have to recognize that even with the suspension of JG.
- Hoyer and the offense actually made a crip decisive drive albeit against second stringers
I think Brian's struggles are four-fold. The ACL is effecting him even if its in small ways losing even slight mobility or explosion in the NFL can make a difference. Pettine has mentioned this and I think its a valid point. He's learning Shanny's offense. The receivers and the rest of the O is learning Shanny's offense. The decision and the reps that went to JFF and the packages that are being created for Johnny which have taken away reps for Brian. Bottom line. Brian should improve both physically as he continues to come back from the ACL and he and the rest of the team should get more comfy with Shanny's offense.
- JFF showed up
Look at what he did and how that effects a defense. JFF hadn't showed up and if you ask why you find an answer. At A&M the offense was built on speed and freelancing by Johnny. What does that do to a pass rush? It tires it out. If Johnny takes off once or twice or his scrambles are run over time where the pass rush can catch their wind he isn't JFF but last night we saw him take the reins and do his thing where he found a rythmn and quite frankly he gassed the D-Line. He made his big throw outside of the pocket after he had made a few runs and forced the pass rush to try and catch him. They were tired and the DE who had contain on that play literally fell down and didn't even get up. Manziel had a wide open passing lane and he was running forward giving him extra momentum and his arm extra strength. THIS IS HIS GAME. Running around and tiring out a defense which open up passing lanes that he can step-up into. This could work in the NFL at the very least in packages but Johnny would have to get the D tired by running around. That is the key IMHO.
- This WR free agent Taylor Gabriel could make the team and earn PT
Kid has lead the team in receptions and yardage. He's the only one consistently performing/producing. What more can you ask for?
- Kirksey
Wow. We may actually have found a gem. Pass coverage is his thing but he has shown he is really good against the run also. I have to say that Robertson has also looked solid in the run game too so it looks like a LB-BC for now but this kid looks great.
- Mingo
I'm still a bit leery but he isn't just playing horseshoes out there where he only getting close, he's making traps. Now can he do that against Big Ben? I'm not so sure but he has impressed this preseason so he gets props.
The Bad
- Justin Gilbert
WTF? I've heard of soft coverage, I've seen soft coverage but playing twenty yards off of Santonio? Soft is one thing, limp is another. Dude needs a fluffer. I had no idea it was Gilbert but I saw how the DB was lined up and I was screaming at the screen and saw that TD happen in slow-mo. Only afterwards I realized it was GIl and I'm thinking WTF? Doesn't this kid run a 4.3 something? Isn't he supposed to be great playing press? He had safety help and he's stilli playing so far off I couldn't read the number on the screen. He's looked awful the last two games. Just bad. We can't have him start the way he's playing right now. His confidence is shattered or something. Bleh!
- Hoyer
He's still not right. Scrambles to his left, has Jordan wide open on the corner and throws fifteen yards out of bounds.
- Manziel
What the heck is up with his deep ball? What the hell? I'm utterly at a loss. Positively Brady Qinn-eske in terms of horrific throws.
The Average
- The receivers
No need to elaborate
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Random thoughts
I think we hadn't played Crowell because we know he's not ready and we wanted to try and sneak him on the practice squad, not happening now.
The issues on offense, not just the QBs or receivers seems to be a Shanahan issue. Throwing too much too soon, the split reps at QB, the new blocking scheme (that is coming along fine but its still new stuff) the new personnel at RB/WR/QB, new coaches, etc. Basically that would have taken time and we should have anticipated bumps but added to that is Hoyer's ACL and the unorthodox way Manziel plays, err plays well. If we try to force JFF into being a pocket passer then we blew those picks but if we do see how effective he can be if he is able to gas a D to open up passing lanes then we may have a weapon that will make defenses lose their urine. He can scare the jabeejus out of defenses if he is able to play his game even if his deep ball looks fugly.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I never understood why so many were so high on Gilbert throughout the predraft process and I hate to jump to conclusions too quickly, but this is exactly what I was afraid of. He's athletic as hell, but he's not a good football player. It's on this coaching staff to make him one.
daveR
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Many people don't recall but Joe Haden didn't start his rookie season until the 11th game. He was the nickel back and Eric Wright was starting over him.
Also many people don't remember but 'Bid Dawg' Hanford Dixon didn't start till the third game of the 1981 season so starting a rookie CB is very rare. More rare than people realize so if Gilbert doesn't start I'm not sweating anything right now.
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Some cuts trickling out.
RB Chris Obgannayo and RB Dion Lewis both cut according to MKC along with WR Nate Burelson and G Garrett Gilkey. I think Gilkey 'might' be elligible for the new 10 player practice squad if he clears waivers.
Tony Grossi pointed out, correctly, that last year we cut veteran WR David Nelson after he was injured all camp and preseason when he struggled in his only preseason game. Burelson looked 'good' but he got cut. Last year Nelson went onto sign with Buffalo and he looked good so Grossi said this could be another mistake and considering how shaky our WR corps are, I have to agree with him.
Full 'official' list comes out later today.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
One interesting tweet from FB Ray Agnew.
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/08/30/wr-nate-burleson-rb-dion-lewis-headline-first-cuts-for-browns/
MKC tweeted we might be interested in WR Stephen Hill who was just cut by the Jets. Pettine was in New York when the Jets took Hill in the second round.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot33m
#Browns Pettine was with #Jets WR Stephen Hill in NY. They cut the 2012 2nd round pick today.
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I was never high on Hill myself so I hope some other options open up.
One more MKC tweet worth passing along.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot · 22h
#Browns Pettine believes No. 8 overall pick Justin Gilbert emerged from preseason with confidence intact despite some big plays/TDs given up
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/08/30/wr-nate-burleson-rb-dion-lewis-headline-first-cuts-for-browns/
No word yet on FB Marquise Gray.
MKC tweeted we might be interested in WR Stephen Hill who was just cut by the Jets. Pettine was in New York when the Jets took Hill in the second round.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot33m
#Browns Pettine was with #Jets WR Stephen Hill in NY. They cut the 2012 2nd round pick today.
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I was never high on Hill myself so I hope some other options open up.
One more MKC tweet worth passing along.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot · 22h
#Browns Pettine believes No. 8 overall pick Justin Gilbert emerged from preseason with confidence intact despite some big plays/TDs given up
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Their have been a couple of articles that have come out but this one has more reasonable, lower end of the roster names, that might be in play.
First name they put out there is WR Stephen Hill 'reportedly' just cut by the Jets.
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Ian Rapoport@RapSheet · 2h
The #Jets are planning to waive WR Stephen Hill, source said. May still try to trade him, since it’s before the deadline.
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They make the same logical connection of depth on the Browns D-Line with depth on differnt NFL rosters but they also mention the Pack and Cobb isn't a name they bring up.
http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/cleveland-browns-wide-receiver-stephen-hill-jarrett-boykin-082914
amnesiac
beer is good
thanks. yeah i'm not pushing the panic button on Gilbert just yet.
seems like rookie CBs need a bit of time to transition.
I understand that. But given the dire situation, I guess I just didn't think that "nothing" was the best option for addressing the issue.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Are the only WRs on the roster... Austin, Johnson, Hawkins, Benjamin and Gabriel?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
My doubts about Gilbert are coming to fruition, that light bulb needs to turn on fast.Not picking a wr in the best wr class ever Gordon or no Gordon was a huge mistake. Don't think it matters how good Kirskey, West, and Bitino end up being. That said, the success of this draft hinges on Johnny. I don't feel better about him now than I did then but I don't feel worse either. Still preferred Teddy though.
I am fine with the Gilbert pick I guess. And I don't have a big problem with any pick in a vacuum (other than JM, but no use crying over that one). I just wish they had passed on one of them in favor of a WR.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
steveski
Footballguy
I don't understand why they cut Charles Johnson for him...
Riversco
Footballguy
I said the second they passed on Khalil Mack their draft was terrible. Mack is going to dominate for a decade. You win in the NFL by having a QB and hitting the other team's QB. Drafting Watkins would have been a mistake when Mack is on the board. But trading down for a CB was laughable. Even if he was a pro bowler, Gilbert will not have anywhere near the impact of a Mack. I can understand picking Manziel but Bridgewater was the better prospect.
The Browns have no QB and no pass rush. They have been that way forever, and will be one of the worst teams in the league until they stop making the same mistakes picking players.
Drafting Gilbert over Mack is a fireable offense IMO. All Ray Farmer has done is helped rebuild the Raiders by handing them Mack.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We cut Grossman.
I guess he was signed to try and help Hoyer and Manziel get up to speed with Shanny's system and now we have him on speed dial should we have any injuries at QB which seems inevitable.
Obviously we're not done making moves and I would imagine the bottom of this roster will see a slow churn even after the fenetic turnover we should see over the next week or so but Grossman cut caught me off guard.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot5h
Source confirms for http://cleveland.com the #Browns have cut QB Rex Grossman.
I guess he was signed to try and help Hoyer and Manziel get up to speed with Shanny's system and now we have him on speed dial should we have any injuries at QB which seems inevitable.
Obviously we're not done making moves and I would imagine the bottom of this roster will see a slow churn even after the fenetic turnover we should see over the next week or so but Grossman cut caught me off guard.
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Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot5h
Source confirms for http://cleveland.com the #Browns have cut QB Rex Grossman.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Would love to see Merril Hoge get a fist in the mouth.
