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It was only a matter of time before this opinion started being accepted. I get why people don't like him, but he is the best player right now among the current options. And I don't think it's really that close. But will he be the best option in the long run? and is this his peak?Baker Mayfield according to all the news coming out of CLE
Good questions...and I'm not sure we'll know the answers until he's drafted and put into the position of being the guy on an NFL team. He has a lot of the skills for sure, and I can understand why he can be the top QB in the draft. Guys like Brees and Wilson have done well with the same stature. My only concern is the Big12 stigma. How well will his college skills translate to Sundays? Everything I've read shows he can be the guy on Sundays with no problem. But historically, Big12 QBs don't typically pan out in the NFL. I think Baker can still mature and has room left to grow in his game. But is he the long-term answer? Not sure we'll know the answer to that one yet.
I'm not too concerned with the Big 12 stuff - the Oklahoma system is QB friendly, but he was asked to make pro level throws whereas previous Sooner QB's haven't and while he wasn't under pressure often when he was he was better than the other guys.
I get that there isn't much else to talk about football-wise this time of year, but most of the good ones are going to get tagged/re-signed by their own team. It then shrinks the available pool, which leads to the overpays.
Given the current state of the team I think that's a terrible idea. But I also expect 2018 to be a failure. My mind is on 2019. I think spending a bunch of money to lose games and watch this regime fall apart puts us in another bad spot going into next season. Save the cash for when expectations are ready to be established - and to pay your own.
It's hard to decide what to root for. I want to spend cash and win now cause I think we can, but we have Hue, so we probably can't.
This reminds me - Hue has been so bad, Williams has gotten a massive pass for doing a terrible job last year.
This is easy - you're rooting for wins. But you're also talking about March and April. The rooting for wins comes in September. That said, the team that usually wins free agency loses in-season.
Yep, that is the nightmare scenario. Wish I had confidence the FO won't screw it all up. But... history.
I have a ton of confidence in the FO (sans Jimmy & Dee) to make the right call(s) during the draft and FA. I have less confidence in Hue but I'll listen to the argument for keeping him if AND ONLY IF he is on a short leash. He comes out of the gate 0-4 and you pull the plug on the Hue experiment. I can't fathom going 1-35 with the talent he has on the team and the new additions from this years draft.
Can't argue with the concept, but it is a little misleading. The author of the tweet makes it sound like the first 5 QBs were horrible and not worth the pick, yet the later round selections worked out wonderfully, making the reader think "early round QB selections are not good picks", or "a team can find just as good QBs in the late rounds as they can in the early rounds".
He was only reminding of the unpredictable nature of the draft with an example of high picks and low picks and how things turned out. He wasn't inditing the top players or lauding the lower picks, just showing how unpredictable things can turn out.
The draft is unpredictable. If Dorsey truly does not have any favorites that he absolutely has to have with the first pick but he could get them at #4 then I would hope he'd listen to offers for the top pick because he will get offers.
He's not better than Luck, but saying "He's failed everywhere except where he fits the system" is totally misleading. The only place he failed was under Fisher in St. Louis and he wasn't the only one. Foles, Keenum and Goff all failed under Fisher and this year two of them met up in the NFCCG while the other led the league's best offense.Peak said:
(Subtle difference, I was speaking of continuity.) Also, I am hoping that Hue's offensive system will be kept in place. I think I am seeing signs that this is true -- that Todd Haley will do things the way they have been established while adding in his own wrinkles. There are things like terminology, sets & formations, pattern trees, blocking schemes & responsibilities, sight adjustments, etc., as well as every-down stuff like calling the huddle & plays, getting the plays in, and special situation awareness. All of these things become (mostly) second nature when you do them often enough. It's AFTER that point that the fine tuning begins and the exceptional veteran play starts winning games for you. (For example, most times we're just hoping people won't screw up & lose the game for us. In Pittsburgh, they look for Brown to make that pattern adjustment that beats the D.) Finally, and I know this will make several people shudder, players know that Hue's team will be one that devotes themselves to working their way out from under adversity. He has said it many times and the players have bought in. Yep. I want this to be coach Jackson's team, same as the Patriots are Belichick's team and the Steelers are Mike Tomlin's team.Peak said:
Good point. But I would also argue that Keenum and Foles excelled within the system the team gave them. Outside of these areas they didn't play well enough to carry the team as far as they did. Every week it seemed the "NFL Know-It-Alls" on TV and Radio were saying how Keenum and Foles would fall because they were playing above their means. The scheme they played in helped them alot. Keenum has even come out saying that without Shurmur, he wouldn't have had the year he had in 2017. With Shurmur gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see Keenum run to NYG or fall behind.
Good catch. He did well one year for Chip, and then started to regress the next year (2014). He crashed with Fisher, then went back to being a sufficient backup in KC. His best years were with Chip and Pederson, where both played to his strengths. Fisher hasn't done much with QBs not named McNair.
I'd like to see a CB like Trumaine Johnson or Jonathon Joseph, and then a S like Joyner.
We need Andrew Hawkins from 4 years ago. Is that guy out there? I settled on Decker because he at least has a history of making plays in the red zone and offers a complimentary skill set to Gordon/Coleman, but can he even play anymore? Hopefully the lessons have finally been learned from Bowe and Britt to tread lightly when pursuing vets. On a team like this one you need guys who know they're coming in to mentor and lead, but won't be a feature guy.
It has nothing to do with cap space. It has everything to do with the current state of the team. And more importantly, the long term outlook.
Robinson falls into the pipe dream category I mentioned earlier. But I don't think Landry is anything special.
He's only 24, from close by Michigan and will get another free agent contract before he is through. Why not Cleveland?
Who cares about cheap or wear and tear when you have cap space to burn? The value a FA RB brings is it lets you use that mid draft pick on someone else. Or on another RB. There's a spending floor teams have to hit, so there's no reason not to spend the money. Overpay a bit and front-load the contracts so you're not stuck with long term cap liabilities on the misses and you have long term bargain guys when you hit.
Sure, but it doesn't justify it being a wave 1 priority. Not given the players available anyway. Add a wave 2 guy others ignored though? Sure.
You'll need both. Duke is high cailber, but you can't roll with 2 RB's. If you sign Hyde you can still draft a guy in the late 2nd/early 3rd. Teams need depth and versatility, and not all draft picks pan out right away. Or draft a different position and get the RB later. Bottom line if you can sign a good player in FA you do it. They aren't going to be cap unrestricted for very long, take the shots now, see who you get right, and ride those out.
Yeah I know, they may have to trade back into the end of the 1st rd for him . I want to say I saw somewhere that McCloughan likes him better than Barkley. The browns have a plethora of draft picks. I wouldn't mind them targeting certain players.Early 2nd round if he gets there.
Why do that since they're just gonna draft Barkley early in the 1st.Early 2nd round if he gets there.
They're going to line up Barkley and Guice in the backfield together.Why do that since they're just gonna draft Barkley early in the 1st.
The thought of Hyde, Duke, and a day 2 rook stuffed into a backfield on a losing team has me thinking a mess will happen in that RB room come November. Then agendas take over as Hyde and Duke see their future contract value suffering.Hankmoody said:
I spent some time goofing around on the Draft Simulator on First Pick and came up with the following just going BPA with no trades. Having this many picks should show up with some quality talent on this team in 2018.
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Sam Darnold, QB, Southern California (A)
Round 1 Pick 4: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (A-)
Round 2 Pick 3: Christian Kirk, WR, Texas AM (A+)
Round 2 Pick 32: Mike Hughes, CB, Central Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Justin Reid, FS, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Simmie Cobbs Jr., WR, Indiana (A)
Round 4 Pick 23: Taron Johnson, CB, Weber State (A)
Round 5 Pick 1: JK Scott, P, Alabama (A+)
Round 5 Pick 22: Kendrick Norton, DT, Miami (FL) (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Taylor Hearn, OG, Clemson (A+)
Round 7 Pick 1: David Bright, OT, Stanford (A+)I like hearing that he will have control over the offensive play calling, and that it will be his offense. He also looks to have a say in acquiring the QB this off-season. Looking forward to seeing how all of the pieces come together.
