Clint Ingram's hit on Tom Brady (1 Viewer)

[Pat Patriot]

From the Jaguars website commenting on the possibility of Clint Ingram being fined for a spear on Tom Brady:

Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio took the matter one step further, suggesting on the website that Brady got what he deserved for not sliding in the first half, when defenders backed off because they thought he would slide.

"They should have speared him then," Del Rio said. "You go face-first and you're a runner."

Nice guy that Jack Del Rio. It would seem that he might be fined for those comments seeing as he is advocating illegal hits.

 

[Banger]

 

[Slingblade]

I thought it was a bogus hit. The LB went head first...too bad he didn't break his neck or anything for the cheap hit.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

 

[Boston]

Hopefully this is one of those weeks that Del Rio can break out the suit because BB undressed him last week.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

 

[Assani Fisher]

QBs are protected way too much.

 

[moleculo]

Del Rio is a former LB, and he is protecting his player. What do you expect him to say?

 

[Kirby]

I think they should put some flags on qbs.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

Although I completely agree that QBs are over-protected, by your logic it would be appropriate to stab, shoot or otherwise criminally assault a QB who dares to run. Spearing is lame; period.

 

[PatsWillWin]

You stay classy Jack Del Rio.

 

[msommer]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

Although I completely agree that QBs are over-protected, by your logic it would be appropriate to stab, shoot or otherwise criminally assault a QB who dares to run. Spearing is lame; period.

Tackling is allowed - so is laying a huge legal hit. Not sure where you get mad sweeney to advocate criminal assault, probably you are merely

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

Although I completely agree that QBs are over-protected, by your logic it would be appropriate to stab, shoot or otherwise criminally assault a QB who dares to run. Spearing is lame; period.

Tackling is allowed - so is laying a huge legal hit. Not sure where you get mad sweeney to advocate criminal assault/ probably you are merely

Let's talk again after a pro athelete drives his helmetted noggin into the small of your back, that is if words are legible between the spurts of blood coming out of your mouth circa your kidneys.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Del Rio is just mad because his team isn't going anywhere, and he hasn't gotten over the the 28-3 pounding New England gave him last year in the playoffs.

Here's to you, Jack (off)

 

[msommer]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

Although I completely agree that QBs are over-protected, by your logic it would be appropriate to stab, shoot or otherwise criminally assault a QB who dares to run. Spearing is lame; period.

Tackling is allowed - so is laying a huge legal hit. Not sure where you get mad sweeney to advocate criminal assault/ probably you are merely

Let's talk again after a pro athelete drives his helmetted noggin into the small of your back, that is if words are legible between the spurts of blood coming out of your mouth circa your kidneys.

 

[suspected]

Here's what Belicheck had to say about Del Rio's comments:

"Considering Tom's great games over the years against Jack Del Rio's defenses, you can understand the frustration. I'm all for supporting your players, but it was a little surprising to hear he said that."

 

[My_Favorite_Team_is]

Del Rio is a former LB, and he is protecting his player. What do you expect him to say?

Prehaps the right thing rather than advocate for injury.

 

[Workhorse]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

Big Pats homer and Brady fan and you know what? I TOTALLY agree with this .Fact is, the current rule (and more importantly the way it is strictly enforced) that is in place to "protect" QBs who slide puts the defense at a tremendous disadvantage. I'm a big fan of defense -- I don't like the fact that the Quarterback now has such a distinct advantage out of the pocket that it forces split second judgment calls on whether you can legally tackle the guy. Is he sliding? Is he diving for the first down? Is he FAKING the slide and trying to juke the defender? Hell, the game is hard enough for defensive players. Don't put them even further behind the 8-ball. It's the ongoing wussification of the game that bothers me. Del Rio's comment about spearing is wrong, but the sentiment behind it is 100% correct.

 

[Serenity Now]

Here's what Belicheck had to say about Del Rio's comments:"Considering Tom's great games over the years against Jack Del Rio's defenses, you can understand the frustration. I'm all for supporting your players, but it was a little surprising to hear he said that."

Excellent.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Here's what Belicheck had to say about Del Rio's comments:"Considering Tom's great games over the years against Jack Del Rio's defenses, you can understand the frustration. I'm all for supporting your players, but it was a little surprising to hear he said that."

Excellent.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont have a problem with the hit. Things happen in the course of the game. My problem is with the coach talking about having his guys intentionally spear the opposing QB just for running and not sliding.

I agree with the point behind it though. It would've been better had he not advocated spearing. But laying a huge hit on a QB who doesn't slide is essential. Sooner or later, the QB is going to stop short of the last yard he needs for a first down or something. They have the option to slide for protection, but that protection doesn't mean they get a free run for a first down. If a QB goes head first, smack him. If he slides, late, he still gets smacked. You "teach" the QBs to slide earlier that way to spare themsleves a huge hit. Slide too late and it gets to be too late for a defender to lay off. So if you want protection, slide earlier.

Although I completely agree that QBs are over-protected, by your logic it would be appropriate to stab, shoot or otherwise criminally assault a QB who dares to run. Spearing is lame; period.

Not sure where you get illegal activity out of it. But you're probably right, by using words like smack and huge hit I am obviously hinting at assaulting a QB with weapons everyone carries on the field. Next time I'll try and make it clearer that advocating illegal hits is wrong. Weakest reply...ever

 

[Bossman]

this wouldn't even be a topic had the defender just lowered his shoulder into Brady's back instead of using the top of his helmet. No matter if it were a QB, RB, WR or TE it should have been a penalty and fine.

 

[parrot]

this wouldn't even be a topic had the defender just lowered his shoulder into Brady's back instead of using the top of his helmet. No matter if it were a QB, RB, WR or TE it should have been a penalty and fine.

Yep, it has nothing to do with rules that are overprotective of Qbs, it was a blatantly dirty hit no matter who was on the receiving end.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

When the Titans beat the Hags a couple of weeks ago, a Titans got an unnecessary roughness penalty for hitting Garrard as he was nearing the sideline.

A few plays later, same scenario, Garrard slowed as he was going out of bounds -- Titan player (corner) pulled up -- and then Garrard lowered his shoulder as he was 1/2 foot from going out of bounds -- and sucker hit the Titan.

No flag.

IMO -- that should either be a flag on Garrard OR let the D play until the QB is OUT of bounds, not going out of bounds.

 

[roadkill1292]

"Spearing" was a pretty unfortunate choice of words but I think it's pretty apparent that coaches are getting frustrated with the subtle abuses that have accompanied the new rules. QBs are faking the slide, then juking the LB and picking up extra yards, and defenders are easing up anytime they're close to the sidelines, thus giving RBs the sly extra yard knowing they won't get wiped out if they're anywhere close.

On several occasions this season I've seen hot-pursuing Ravens' LBs gently lay a ballcarrier down on the ground out of bounds, only to have the flag tossed anyway. It's getting pretty one-sided.

 

[PatsWillWin]

this wouldn't even be a topic had the defender just lowered his shoulder into Brady's back instead of using the top of his helmet. No matter if it were a QB, RB, WR or TE it should have been a penalty and fine.

Yep, it has nothing to do with rules that are overprotective of Qbs, it was a blatantly dirty hit no matter who was on the receiving end.

This issue has gotten a little clouded. I think there are two discussions going on.1) A head coach publicly supporting an illegal and dirty hit, specifically using the word "spearing".2) The overprotection of quarterbacks becoming a frustrating obstacle for defensive players.I think Del Rio was out of line here, and I think the hit by Ingram was a dirty hit, irregardless of who was getting hit - QB, WR, RB, whatever.I agree that the protection of the quarterbacks is getting ridiculous and that quarterbacks (smartly so) are using it to their advantage. I don't REALLY think that Tom Brady can out-juke Brian Urlacher all things being equal, and you have to think that at least part of Urlacher's hesitance on that play was because he was looking at a chance to have an open field hit on the NFL's golden boy and was worried about getting a flag. Brady may or may not have been aware of this and it may or may not have made him a little more daring in going for that first down whereas without that thought he might've slid. Could've changed the whole game.

 

[Pat Patriot]

this wouldn't even be a topic had the defender just lowered his shoulder into Brady's back instead of using the top of his helmet. No matter if it were a QB, RB, WR or TE it should have been a penalty and fine.

Yep, it has nothing to do with rules that are overprotective of Qbs, it was a blatantly dirty hit no matter who was on the receiving end.

Brady didnt complain about the hit. Never said it was dirty. Basically just said his back was sore.This thread is about a coach specifically stating that his players should have layed an illegal hit (spearing) on an opposing player to either to injure or change the way he plays (stop running or at least slide early).I dont have a problem with the thought behind the comment but using the word spearing pushes it over the line.

 

[brednbuddah]

brady is overrated.

 

[jonessed]

If you fake a slide you deserve what's coming to you. I have no problem with the hit. Del Rio should have been more PC about it in public though.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Brady pulled the same chicken-#### fake slide against Urlacher when the Bears played them. Hopefully, the next time the Bears play them Urlacher takes his head off.

 

[Boston]

Brady pulled the same chicken-#### fake slide against Urlacher when the Bears played them. Hopefully, the next time the Bears play them Urlacher takes his head off.

Bull...he never faked a slide on that play. Now, whether Urlacher let up because Brady's a QB is another story but Brady never made an attempt to slide when in front of him.

 

[Boston]

this wouldn't even be a topic had the defender just lowered his shoulder into Brady's back instead of using the top of his helmet. No matter if it were a QB, RB, WR or TE it should have been a penalty and fine.

Yep, it has nothing to do with rules that are overprotective of Qbs, it was a blatantly dirty hit no matter who was on the receiving end.

This issue has gotten a little clouded. I think there are two discussions going on.1) A head coach publicly supporting an illegal and dirty hit, specifically using the word "spearing".2) The overprotection of quarterbacks becoming a frustrating obstacle for defensive players.I think Del Rio was out of line here, and I think the hit by Ingram was a dirty hit, irregardless of who was getting hit - QB, WR, RB, whatever.I agree that the protection of the quarterbacks is getting ridiculous and that quarterbacks (smartly so) are using it to their advantage. I don't REALLY think that Tom Brady can out-juke Brian Urlacher all things being equal, and you have to think that at least part of Urlacher's hesitance on that play was because he was looking at a chance to have an open field hit on the NFL's golden boy and was worried about getting a flag. Brady may or may not have been aware of this and it may or may not have made him a little more daring in going for that first down whereas without that thought he might've slid. Could've changed the whole game.

Agree completely.Also, I have seen the replay on the Ingram hit (about 50 times now) and it was a blatant spear. There is no attempt to do anything but lead and hit with the helmet. For all the BS penalties I have seen this year this one was pretty obvious (whether it was a QB or not). If anyone can watch this replay and walk me thru why it's not a spear I'd love to have it explained.

 

[lord_helmet]

Sick of Brady, would love to see someone CRUSH him. Legally tho

 

[Pat Patriot]

Sick of Brady, would love to see someone CRUSH him. Legally tho

In what way? He's not exactly outspoken nationally.

 

[lord_helmet]

SickI'm envy of Brady and recent Pats succes, would love to see someone CRUSH him. Legally tho

In what way? He's not exactly outspoken nationally.

I guess this is closer to the thruth