Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts (1 Viewer)

[jafo]

Clinton Portis vs Ladell Betts Total Yardage

Week 117 Touches, 98 Yards vs 18 Touches, 75 YardsWeek 218 Touches, 76 Yards vs 8 Touches, 40 YardsWeek 320 Touches, 97 Yards vs 8 Touches, 22 Yards

I'm seeing a clear trend. Portis is getting more touches each week, while Betts is getting fewer or same(and doing less with each touch) then the previous week. My opinion is we'll continue to see a healthy dose of Portis after the bye week and Betts will continue to see around 5-10 touches.Add in the fact we've seen Portis punch it in the end zone once each week while Betts hasn't sniffed the end zone yet. I thought Betts looked horrible last week on those last 2 carries, which may give way for more Portis oppurtunites at the goal line.I'm curious to see what argument can be made from Betts supporters (if there are any left). At this point I see him as nothing more as an insurance policy in case of a Portis injury. Is anyone starting Betts? Please don't turn this into a "I was right and you were wrong thread." Going forward how do you see it playing out?

 

[shadyridr]

Im pretty sure everybody already realizes this

 

[Todem]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

The whole "Portis is washed up/injury prone" was just nonsense. I guess LT2 is washed up.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

Drafting Portis in all my $$ leagues seems to be the only good call I made this season... what a year. the way injuries are this yr; I would make ever attempt to get Betts if your a CP owner.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Can all the Sharks stay in this thread so we can have actual discussion elsewhere? TIA.

Punch and pie will be provided.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Can all the Sharks stay in this thread so we can have actual discussion elsewhere? TIA.

Punch and pie will be provided.

 

[moderated]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

The whole "Portis is washed up/injury prone" was just nonsense. I guess LT2 is washed up.

People over-reacted to his freak injuries that he had last season and completely forgot he's been one of the more durable running backs relative to his touches during his career. Missed 4 games in 4 years getting tons of carries, that isn't bad at all.A shoulder injury making a tackle and a broken hand. Neither of those injuries have an affect on a RB after they are healed.Over-reactions are great for those who don't get caught up in them.

 

[KoolKat]

Calling NYGiants...

 

[Gr00vus]

People over-reacted to his freak injuries that he had last season and completely forgot he's been one of the more durable running backs relative to his touches during his career. Missed 4 games in 4 years getting tons of carries, that isn't bad at all.

I like Clinton, but you're glossing over waaayyy too much here. How many games has he not finished due to injuries? How many games has he had to have his touches reduced due to injury? How many times has he been questionable or worse on the injury report?Number of missed games does not even begin to tell the story of Clinton in relation to injury. He's not been a paragon of good health so far in his career. Hopefully this year he is.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

 

[KellysHeroes]

what was Betts' ADP in a 12 team this year.... and how are those teams doing?

 

[Keys Myaths]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

 

[To commish is my wish]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

 

[alg]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Not THAT reasonably priced when you consider some of the other players you could have grabbed in the 7th round, if you were lucky:Branch, Coles, LAMONT JORDAN, Romo, Cotchery, Foster, Chambers, etc etcDisclaimer: the players above were 7th and 8th rounders in one of my 10 team leagues. Results may vary.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

 

[switz]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

Hence there must only be 2-3 Sharks in this forum.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

Hence there must only be 2-3 Sharks in this forum.

I always thought the title of this forum was intended as irony.

 

[switz]

Calling NYGiants...

He's for a month

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

Revisionist history.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

Once was enough.

 

[numberSE7EN]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

Thats what I was thinking as I drafted Betts. Either you get a back-up that really is not worth starting even on bye weeks, but if Portis goes down Betts would be RB2 quality in the 7-8th round and give my team that extra push. I am going to hold on to him the whole season in case Portis misses a week or more at the end of the season, having another starting RB on your roster come playoff time is always gold.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

Once was enough.

I forgot. Serious Business in here.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

Thats what I was thinking as I drafted Betts. Either you get a back-up that really is not worth starting even on bye weeks, but if Portis goes down Betts would be RB2 quality in the 7-8th round and give my team that extra push. I am going to hold on to him the whole season in case Portis misses a week or more at the end of the season, having another starting RB on your roster come playoff time is always gold.

This is a very good point, by the way.

 

[dgreen]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

Hence there must only be 2-3 Sharks in this forum.

 

[One]

Self-proclaimed "Sharks"

 

[numberSE7EN]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

Thats what I was thinking as I drafted Betts. Either you get a back-up that really is not worth starting even on bye weeks, but if Portis goes down Betts would be RB2 quality in the 7-8th round and give my team that extra push. I am going to hold on to him the whole season in case Portis misses a week or more at the end of the season, having another starting RB on your roster come playoff time is always gold.

This is a very good point, by the way.

If that comment was twoards my post, thanks.-I like to gamble on one or two 'lottery' picks each year. I feel that I should be able to field a playoff team even if I miss on say my 7th and 10th round picks, and if one of those 'lottery' picks hits the Jackpot I either am solid come playoff time (because one of my studs is hurt) or gold come playoff time (becuase my 1/2 rb and healthy and I have a third Rb1/2). I go into picking them with the intention of not expecting stats from them in the first half of the season or more; that way I still have to draft a complete starting roster and not get stuck having ot start a failed lottery pick. I personally bought Betts and K Jones Lottery tickets this year, and so far it looks like Betts will only become a viable option if Portis goes down with injury. K Jones however looks to be slowly back on track to hopefully putting up 100 combined yds with 4-6 catches a week and a td now and then come play off time, which I would love from my RB3(flex).

 

[switz]

Sharks knew this before the season started.

Hence there must only be 2-3 Sharks in this forum.

just one example

If you get Portis back try to back him up with Betts. Either way you have a top-10 running back.

I wouldn't think twice about passing over Portis in a draft. Betts is the real value pick

in Washington.

I've been saying for months that I think Betts will end up having a very big role and that Portis's best season's may be in the past due to all the carries he had from 2004-2005, his frame, how physical he plays and the mounting injuries.

i got portis in round 9 of my super high stakes money league yesterday... all former WCOFF champions and pro gamblers.

He went at 2.08 in my ten team local league on the 11th, and I couldn't believe he went there! I grabbed Betts in the 8th, better value IMO.

And it goes on... sure there were 2 or 3 people in there saying Portis was clearly the better back, but a large percentage were crowing about how Portis fell to round 5-9, yada yada and the rest saying Betts was going to beat Portis out of a job LOL

 

[Keys Myaths]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

Thats what I was thinking as I drafted Betts. Either you get a back-up that really is not worth starting even on bye weeks, but if Portis goes down Betts would be RB2 quality in the 7-8th round and give my team that extra push. I am going to hold on to him the whole season in case Portis misses a week or more at the end of the season, having another starting RB on your roster come playoff time is always gold.

This is a very good point, by the way.

If that comment was twoards my post, thanks.

It was. But, I think you're wrong about him being a RB2. I think he's a low-end RB1 should Portis go down.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I took him at 2.03

 

[numberSE7EN]

It was. But, I think you're wrong about him being a RB2. I think he's a low-end RB1 should Portis go down.

He was last year for sure, I had both Portis and Betts and Betts did not miss a beat. I can agree with low-end #1/high end #2, it really depends on how many RBs the league your in starts each week.

14 team league with a flex spot 35ish RBs start each week, and I would put him in the top 14 easy

10 team league with no flex, 20 rbs start each week, and i would put him as a high RB2.

 

[dgreen]

And it goes on... sure there were 2 or 3 people in there saying Portis was clearly the better back, but a large percentage were crowing about how Portis fell to round 5-9, yada yada and the rest saying Betts was going to beat Portis out of a job LOL

I don't know. I'm not going to go and dig up quotes, but there was a decent number of us trying to spread the word.

 

[mozzy84]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

Thats what I was thinking as I drafted Betts. Either you get a back-up that really is not worth starting even on bye weeks, but if Portis goes down Betts would be RB2 quality in the 7-8th round and give my team that extra push. I am going to hold on to him the whole season in case Portis misses a week or more at the end of the season, having another starting RB on your roster come playoff time is always gold.

he got cut last week in two of my three leagues, portis has as much chance as anyone to get hurt at this point. Of course if you have roster spots to burn no harm in holding him, lots of leagues dont have that luxury though.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

just registered -- make that 3-4

 

[Keys Myaths]

Here's a thought...Betts is a back up, opposed to the dubbed committee guy that many said he'd be.

People grabbed Betts in the 7th or 8th round, most likely. Nobody ever asserted that they got a #1 back with their 7th/8th pick. He's a reasonably priced lottery ticket, nothing more.

Exactly. And yet people continue to crow about their genius. I think we need to wait awhile before that happens.Lottery tickets are good. You can survive them and still compete. If you hit, you are on the fast lane to championship city.

Thats what I was thinking as I drafted Betts. Either you get a back-up that really is not worth starting even on bye weeks, but if Portis goes down Betts would be RB2 quality in the 7-8th round and give my team that extra push. I am going to hold on to him the whole season in case Portis misses a week or more at the end of the season, having another starting RB on your roster come playoff time is always gold.

he got cut last week in two of my three leagues, portis has as much chance as anyone to get hurt at this point. Of course if you have roster spots to burn no harm in holding him, lots of leagues dont have that luxury though.

It's not about having roster spots to "burn". I can think of two backup RBs that should be drafted in nearly every league. Betts is the #2 guy on that list.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

just registered -- make that 3-4

:serves punch and pie:Napkins are to your right. We have plenty for everyone.

 

[Tanner9919]

Portis looks great so far! the line is a problem, ,but he seems unaffected by it,really..

I'd like to see more carries, 17/week is a bit low.

but if you're looking for real value, I think Lamont Jordan has to be the #1 Shark Move of the year, at least at this point..

he's been a beast.

I really don't know what things will look like with Rhodes coming back in 2 weeks, but as of this moment, Jordan is

a stud!

 

[jafo]

I'm curious to see what value Betts has in a redraft, I think with the bye and his limited play so far this year he could be had cheaply. One decent game from Betts or slight injury to Portis and his value goes up again. This would seem like the time to backup Portis with Betts if you have the roster space and are into handcuffing.

 

[Dought Man]

I'm actually trying to sell Portis now while his value is pretty high. I just forsee an injury, he always looks gimpy after 12-14 carries, he is often seen waving over to the sideline for Betts to come in for him. The Portis of 2 years ago was not doing this..

Not to mention, the right side of their OL was collapsing like a beach chair all day on Sunday. Eventually, when they run into some better defenses, he is going to have a hard time finding running room.

 

[Koya]

I'm actually trying to sell Portis now while his value is pretty high. I just forsee an injury, he always looks gimpy after 12-14 carries, he is often seen waving over to the sideline for Betts to come in for him. The Portis of 2 years ago was not doing this..Not to mention, the right side of their OL was collapsing like a beach chair all day on Sunday. Eventually, when they run into some better defenses, he is going to have a hard time finding running room.

The guy is still working himself into shape after his injuries from the past year and not participating much in camp. The skins' bye is perfect for Portis to come back truly raring to go.

 

[kensat30]

As a Portis owner in multiple leagues (who didn't draft Betts in any of them), I think now is the opportune time to BUY Ladell Betts. Alright, so you got Portis for cheap and he is performing like you expected. Awesome. Now is time to swoop in and get the proven backup for cheap. There is no longer a high value, 8th-9th round type pricetag on the guy. And the people who drafted Betts aren't thinking about the 2006 season anymore, they are looking at week 4 and Betts is a crappy producing player so far who is on his bye week. What's it gonna take you to get Betts? Not much.

I saw Portis with a slight limp off the field last weekend and it got me thinking. Now is the time to trade for Betts.

 

[Tau837]

Punch and pie in 15 minutes to all the Sharks!

Who drinks punch with pie?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Thought Betts was going to have a much bigger role this year. Thank god the people around here convinced me otherwise prior to my draft. Bostonfred in particular.

Grabbed him as my RB3 in the 5th. Would have even grabbed him in the 2nd if I didn't already know everyone in my league was down on him.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

One thing I saw in Clinton Portis in this past NY Giants game - and a Redskin fan actually spoke about it in this forum a week or so ago - was how good of a blocker he is. On one play in particular, I recall a blitzing LB broke through the middle almost untouched and Portis crushed him before he got to Campbell - even the commentators pointed it out. So on top of Portis being a better all-around rusher, he is pretty darn good blocker. It actually made me a little nervous, as a Portis owner, to see him lay into those defenders like that, with his shoulder injury from last year still fresh in my mind. If there is one reason for me to try to grab Betts, it's because Portis seems to play at such a high level of intensity that he is prone to hurt himself making another block/tackle/etc.

Ni

 

[KellysHeroes]

One thing I saw in Clinton Portis in this past NY Giants game - and a Redskin fan actually spoke about it in this forum a week or so ago - was how good of a blocker he is. On one play in particular, I recall a blitzing LB broke through the middle almost untouched and Portis crushed him before he got to Campbell - even the commentators pointed it out. So on top of Portis being a better all-around rusher, he is pretty darn good blocker. It actually made me a little nervous, as a Portis owner, to see him lay into those defenders like that, with his shoulder injury from last year still fresh in my mind. If there is one reason for me to try to grab Betts, it's because Portis seems to play at such a high level of intensity that he is prone to hurt himself making another block/tackle/etc. Ni

hes a great Tackler too

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Add in the fact we've seen Portis punch it in the end zone once each week while Betts hasn't sniffed the end zone yet.

Oh he sniffed he tripped over his own feet before he could get close enough for a taste

 

[KoolKat]

I snatched him up @ 4.11 in a 12 Team Dynasty League How could I pass on Coach Janky Spanky at that spot??? I had him as the 18th best player available. I really wish Portis would start doing characters during the weeks, that was hilarious. Sheriff Gone Getcha a championship.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

A lot of people inexplicably ignored a couple of rather important facts:

- Portis is the better RB in almost every aspect of the game, maybe excluding pass catching, although that's close, IMO.

- There is a reason he's got a $50 million dollar contract and Betts doesn't (see above).

- He's had one injury plagued season in his entire carreer ('06)

- Even with his shoulder injury he put up solid numbers last year.

 

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