Clinton Portis (1 Viewer)

[MaddHatter]

I am loving what he has provided so far. He is outperforming his ADP as expected, all but being in a RBBC.

He is off next week, but returns week 5 against DET, then GB, ARI before taking on NE. I know GB isn't the same old pushover defense, but I still like his prospects.

Anybody disagree and selling him high? I am staying put.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

 

[MaddHatter]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

 

[otb_lifer]

 

[nflguru]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

When the game is on the line, he is watching from the sidelines.. Amazing to me.. Is it that Gibbs is so old he didnt remember he had portis?

 

[yesitsme]

Yep, to have your goaline back on the sideline and run the ball 2 times in a row with the game on the line is ridiculous. I am not one who likes to blame coaches but I don't get that.

Not only that....Washington was going way to fast. They had more time than they realized and it was all rushed. As a Cowboy fan, I'm glad the Giants won but mostly I like to see good football and that was junk at the end.

Good 2nd half defense by the Giants with their season on the line. Campbell shows flashes of greatness but really showed is lack of experience when he didn't slow down that offense on those last 2 plays.

 

[kensat30]

Betts is a stud. He is sure to get a bigger cut of Portis' carries going forward.

PS- Gibbs you are a moron.

 

[CowboyFan]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

That wasn't as bad as spiking the ball at the one with a FULL min. left.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

What a terrible call...

 

[otb_lifer]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

When the game is on the line, he is watching from the sidelines.. Amazing to me.. Is it that Gibbs is so old he didnt remember he had portis?

... errr ... perhaps the Portis fumble played into the equation and, oh yeah ...

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

If Portis gets that carry in the red zone it is a td and the game is going to over time, what a terrible decision to have him on the sideline.

 

[Bri]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the game

Gibbs is old school

IIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Portis did have a fumble, but Portis played quite well in the game. He ran hard with limited holes and caught 6 balls out of the back field although he did drop an easy pass. He had a couple of huge blocks as well and Gibbs is going to regret not having him in there at the end of the game.

 

[Bri]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Portis did have a fumble, but Portis played quite well in the game. He ran hard with limited holes and caught 6 balls out of the back field although he did drop an easy pass. He had a couple of huge blocks as well and Gibbs is going to regret not having him in there at the end of the game.

IMO 1st half Portis and 2nd half Portis completely differentgo grab some stats if ya want, just a watching the game thing

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Portis did have a fumble, but Portis played quite well in the game. He ran hard with limited holes and caught 6 balls out of the back field although he did drop an easy pass. He had a couple of huge blocks as well and Gibbs is going to regret not having him in there at the end of the game.

IMO 1st half Portis and 2nd half Portis completely differentgo grab some stats if ya want, just a watching the game thing

You obviously did not watch the game did you? The Redskins could not pass the ball at all, they couldn't even get a first down in the second hald. Sure Portis did have a fumble which was a costly mistake, but you don't leave your best RB on the bench in that situation, that mistake by Gibbs of leaving Portis on the bench in that situation trumps Portis' fumble mistake.

 

[Bri]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Portis did have a fumble, but Portis played quite well in the game. He ran hard with limited holes and caught 6 balls out of the back field although he did drop an easy pass. He had a couple of huge blocks as well and Gibbs is going to regret not having him in there at the end of the game.

IMO 1st half Portis and 2nd half Portis completely differentgo grab some stats if ya want, just a watching the game thing

You obviously did not watch the game did you? The Redskins could not pass the ball at all, they couldn't even get a first down in the second hald. Sure Portis did have a fumble which was a costly mistake, but you don't leave your best RB on the bench in that situation, that mistake by Gibbs of leaving Portis on the bench in that situation trumps Portis' fumble mistake.

Yes I saw the game, why people say those replies here is beyond me.Old school coaches would disagree with ya on pulling a fumbling RB

 

[RnR]

Yes I saw the game, why people say those replies here is beyond me.Old school coaches would disagree with ya on pulling a fumbling RB

So one fumble and you are out? I don't care how "old school" you are, that's just stupid.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Portis did have a fumble, but Portis played quite well in the game. He ran hard with limited holes and caught 6 balls out of the back field although he did drop an easy pass. He had a couple of huge blocks as well and Gibbs is going to regret not having him in there at the end of the game.

IMO 1st half Portis and 2nd half Portis completely differentgo grab some stats if ya want, just a watching the game thing

You obviously did not watch the game did you? The Redskins could not pass the ball at all, they couldn't even get a first down in the second hald. Sure Portis did have a fumble which was a costly mistake, but you don't leave your best RB on the bench in that situation, that mistake by Gibbs of leaving Portis on the bench in that situation trumps Portis' fumble mistake.

Yes I saw the game, why people say those replies here is beyond me.Old school coaches would disagree with ya on pulling a fumbling RB

Well, that's worked out pretty well for Gibbs since he re-joined the NFL, wouldn't you say? Bottom line: Gibbs pulled his best offensive threat out of the game during crunch time, and (partially) because of that decision, his team lost. Big mistake.

 

[otb_lifer]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Portis did have a fumble, but Portis played quite well in the game. He ran hard with limited holes and caught 6 balls out of the back field although he did drop an easy pass. He had a couple of huge blocks as well and Gibbs is going to regret not having him in there at the end of the game.

IMO 1st half Portis and 2nd half Portis completely differentgo grab some stats if ya want, just a watching the game thing

You obviously did not watch the game did you? The Redskins could not pass the ball at all, they couldn't even get a first down in the second hald. Sure Portis did have a fumble which was a costly mistake, but you don't leave your best RB on the bench in that situation, that mistake by Gibbs of leaving Portis on the bench in that situation trumps Portis' fumble mistake.

Yes I saw the game, why people say those replies here is beyond me.Old school coaches would disagree with ya on pulling a fumbling RB

WOW ... why are all of you trying to change bri's mind? IMHO, he is absolutely spot on about the fumble/second half performance by Portis as being the reason. Ferchrissakes, why do you feel the need to try and change his mind? He made his (very valid) point ... live with iT1Oh, and if you're just in here because you're a Portis owner

 

[Bri]

I count 15 yards for Portis in the 2nd half ETA rushing

 

[RnR]

Betts had 7 carries for 9 yards, and his first run was for 13 yards. You do the math. I'll take the chance that Portis fumbles.

 

[otb_lifer]

Betts had 7 carries for 9 yards, and his first run was for 13 yards. You do the math. I'll take the chance that Portis fumbles. :(

when your name is COACH GIBBS ... then I'll give a crap ...

 

[Steel Town]

As a Portis owner, I want to first acknowledge how thrilled I am to have CP in my rotation. I am hopeful that once the Skins see tape of the game, they will realize they are a better team when they run first and throw second. I was certainly disappointed to see my player on the sidelines when the game was on the line.....but from a real football perspective, I just don't get why the Skins didn't try to run the ball more....Portis was on the sideline the last 2 minutes, but Betts didn't get an opportunity. It looked like they had no concept of time, they were spiking balls and insisting on throwing the football....until of course, it was painfully obvious they were going to run the ball near the goalline.

 

[Bri]

Betts had 7 carries for 9 yards, and his first run was for 13 yards. You do the math. I'll take the chance that Portis fumbles. :(

Portis had 11 yards rushing, a drop, a catch for -4 yards, and an untouched unbotherred by anyone just take the handoff fumble.You guys are all over this guy but he clearly didn't have his head in the game in the 2nd half

 

[SCT]

Sportsline gave the fumble to Campbell FWIW.

 

[Ranethe]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the gameGibbs is old schoolIIRC Shanny did the same thing to Portis

Much of the Redskins team (except Moss and Randle El) looked like the Keystone Cops that entire second half. One of the worst second halves I've seen.One fumble and he "didn't have his head in the game"? That's nonsensical. Old school or not, they blew the game with a litany of bad decisions.

 

[joffer]

i still can't believe they spiked the ball on 1st down.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Sportsline gave the fumble to Campbell FWIW.

The fumble was still on Portis for not taking it in, although technically since he never had possession it gets credited to the QB

 

[fatness]

He fumbled and easy handoff and didn't have his head in the game

It was a crap handoff. But go right ahead. You'll have to count on the people who didn't see it to agree with you.

 

[fatness]

Sportsline gave the fumble to Campbell FWIW.

As well they should have.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Sportsline gave the fumble to Campbell FWIW.

As well they should have.

doesnt the QB get the fumble until the rb has control?

 

[GOroute]

disbelief watching wash in that final drive. they were lucky to even get to where they were. the fumbled sack and then spike to get to 3rd down. yikes! then the goal line crap plays? pass to fb that is completely covered? then portis just sitting there. okay, fine dont give him the ball but at leats make the de respect your best player which they will do. gibbs is a moron

 

[RnR]

Betts had 7 carries for 9 yards, and his first run was for 13 yards. You do the math. I'll take the chance that Portis fumbles.

Portis had 11 yards rushing, a drop, a catch for -4 yards, and an untouched unbotherred by anyone just take the handoff fumble.You guys are all over this guy but he clearly didn't have his head in the game in the 2nd half

The whole Redskins offense was sputtering in the second half. You see the catch for-4 yards? Not a thing he could do about that... it was a well-defended swing pass. The fumble was a botched exchange, it was charged to Campbell, and there is really no way to know who was off rhythm. Sure, it looks like Portis was at fault, but it is possible that Campbell was off on his timing of the exchange. The drop I'll give you, he should've caught it. By the Gibbs "old school" methodology, Burress would have been out of this game after his critical drops and the Giants never win this game. The fact remains that Portis gets that score, and Gibbs will have to shoulder the burden of a divisional loss based on his "old school" mentality. He may have proved a point to Portis, but that point may be moot when they are sitting at home in January because of this loss.

 

[Bonginator]

And why would the Redskins have him on the sideline and give the ball to Betts twice at the end of the game ?? What a blunder...

 

[JPeso]

Betts is a stud. He is sure to get a bigger cut of Portis' carries going forward.PS- Gibbs you are a moron.

Not even close. How about watching a Redskins game before you make this comment. Betts is very good for a 2nd back, but he is no stud. When healthy, Portis is top 10. The knock isn't that he isn't talented when he is able to go.

 

[mad sweeney]

Betts is a stud. He is sure to get a bigger cut of Portis' carries going forward.PS- Gibbs you are a moron.

I think nygiants56 of whatever took pics of Gibbs in compromising positions and was secretly making the playcalls so he could come in and say I told you so

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What is all this mumbo-jumbo about 1st half Portis vs. 2nd half Portis?

Sure, he had only 15 yards in the 2nd half.......ON FOUR CARRIES. His ypc was basically in-line with what it was in the 1st half, and having watched every snap of the game I can say without convocation that he was running every bit as hard. If anything was worse in the 2nd half it was Campbell who couldn't help pick up a 1st down to extend a drive past 3 and out and more importantly the defense, which could barely get the Giants off the field. Oh, and for what it's worth, Betts put up -2 yards in the 2nd half which makes that paultry 15 of Portis' look quite good.

The fumble excuse is rubbish too. Portis was in the game for a couple plays after the fumble so it wasn't like he was benched for the fumble. However, even if that were what people were trying to claim it's no better. Portis doesn't have a history of fumbling, he hasn't lost one this season, and it wasn't like they were just running out the clock with 90 seconds left and all they had to do was hold onto the ball. Fumbles happen, it's football. When a guy fumbles one time in three games you don't bench him for it, and you certainly don't take a loss just to spite him.

 

[senrico]

I think this game will help to solidify Portis' control over the starting position. Why? Gibbs will be regretting his decision to play Betts at the end. He basically gave the game away and he knows it.

 

[Bri]

Betts had 7 carries for 9 yards, and his first run was for 13 yards. You do the math. I'll take the chance that Portis fumbles.

Portis had 11 yards rushing, a drop, a catch for -4 yards, and an untouched unbotherred by anyone just take the handoff fumble.You guys are all over this guy but he clearly didn't have his head in the game in the 2nd half

The whole Redskins offense was sputtering in the second half. You see the catch for-4 yards? Not a thing he could do about that... it was a well-defended swing pass. The fumble was a botched exchange, it was charged to Campbell, and there is really no way to know who was off rhythm. Sure, it looks like Portis was at fault, but it is possible that Campbell was off on his timing of the exchange. The drop I'll give you, he should've caught it. By the Gibbs "old school" methodology, Burress would have been out of this game after his critical drops and the Giants never win this game. The fact remains that Portis gets that score, and Gibbs will have to shoulder the burden of a divisional loss based on his "old school" mentality. He may have proved a point to Portis, but that point may be moot when they are sitting at home in January because of this loss.

It's not too old school. Shanny did it to Portis too. The other side to the argument is they get the W(going with what you said, I don't think LT2 would have scored in that awful rushed final play) and Portis fumbles often. How big was Romo's fumble last year? Wasn't it a Bledsoe fumble that was the last straw and started Romo's career?Emmitt and Curtis Martin and tons of great backs rarely ever fumbled.You guys don't like the theory, that's fine but a coach sticking to his rules is essential to running a team. Some are acting as if he put in some shmoo RB not the guy that was their leading rusher in 2006 with 1150 yards or so. How many of those people said in preseason "if Portis struggles, they'll just give the ball to Betts"? Well Portis struggled.

 

[RnR]

Some are acting as if he put in some shmoo RB not the guy that was their leading rusher in 2006 with 1150 yards or so. How many of those people said in preseason "if Portis struggles, they'll just give the ball to Betts"? Well Portis struggled.

This is where guys who don't watch games come off looking like fools. Portis was Washington's best offensive weapon all day. If you consider Campbell botching a hand off and Portis dropping a pass as sufficient evidence that he struggled, I'd be curious to see who didn't "struggle" this week by that definition.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Bri,

if you are using the old school theory of Portis being benched because of fumbling then why was he playing on the Redskins first series after his fumble?

 

[bez18]

Some are acting as if he put in some shmoo RB not the guy that was their leading rusher in 2006 with 1150 yards or so. How many of those people said in preseason "if Portis struggles, they'll just give the ball to Betts"? Well Portis struggled.

This is where guys who don't watch games come off looking like fools. Portis was Washington's best offensive weapon all day. If you consider Campbell botching a hand off and Portis dropping a pass as sufficient evidence that he struggled, I'd be curious to see who didn't "struggle" this week by that definition.

I agree... Portis was the Skins best weapon in this game... he had some nice runs, some great catches too. Granted he had a bad drop, but everyone goes to move w/o the ball from time to time. The point is, he IS your stud rb. Whether or not you're using RBBC.. .he is the stud. In 2005 the Skins rode his back all season into the playoffs.. today, the entire 1st half they did the same. With the game on the line, I would've been more comfortable with him in there... I just couldn't believe we couldn't punch it in from there. This was a tough loss to swallow. Skins are a better team than the Giants.. they manhandled them the first half and were dominated in the 2nd ... That last drive, as ugly as some of the plays were, did show that Campbell will be able to handle the pressure of the NFL. He hung in there... some optimism

 

[Bri]

Some are acting as if he put in some shmoo RB not the guy that was their leading rusher in 2006 with 1150 yards or so. How many of those people said in preseason "if Portis struggles, they'll just give the ball to Betts"? Well Portis struggled.

This is where guys who don't watch games come off looking like fools.

I watched the game, like almost every if not every Giants game for the past 20+ yearsIf you can't debate without making stuff up and calling people names then .......

 

[Bri]

Bri, if you are using the old school theory of Portis being benched because of fumbling then why was he playing on the Redskins first series after his fumble?

I don't knowThere's little doubt in my mind Gibbs and/or Saunders will let us know

 

[redman]

I'm not sure why Portis wasn't in there. The only explanation that makes sense would be an injury, but there was no injury I saw except when he came off late in the first half limping after someone came down on his ankle during a tackle. I note that he didn't seem to have any explosive runs after that point, and maybe Gibbs thought that it affected him on the fumble because he did reach for the ball rather than getting there for Campbell to put it into his stomach. In that spirit, the fumble could have been the deciding factor for Gibbs.

This is pure supposition, of course. If he was healthy, there was no excuse for him to be on the sideline in that situation.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

NFL.com didn't credit Portis with the fumble, they credited Campbell.

 

[fatness]

I think this game will help to solidify Portis' control over the starting position. Why? Gibbs will be regretting his decision to play Betts at the end. He basically gave the game away and he knows it.

If Gibbs gave it away, it was with bad clock management, bad playcalling, and putting personnel in the wrong places.

 

[JayMan]

I sure hope this will settle once and for all the Portis/Betts debacle... You could clearly see the better RB today (runs, cuts, pass blocking)... 7 runs for 9 yards with a long of 13?

Gibbs 'old school' mentality (costly fumble and you stay on the sideline) cost him the game by leaving his biggest weapon out during crunch time - Emmith rarely fumbled but if he was pulled every time he put one on the ground he wouldn't be heading to Canton...

It's been a while since I have seen such a poorly managed club during the last 2 minutes... spiking the ball on the one with over one minute to go?... wow... and hurrying for the next/last two runs?... pathetic...

Let's just hope that these costly coaching decisions won't go unoticed because it was funny/nice/oldie Joe Gibbs...

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthr...age=1&pp=15

 

[senrico]

I sure hope this will settle once and for all the Portis/Betts debacle... You could clearly see the better RB today (runs, cuts, pass blocking)... 7 runs for 9 yards with a long of 13? Gibbs 'old school' mentality (costly fumble and you stay on the sideline) cost him the game by leaving his biggest weapon out during crunch time - Emmith rarely fumbled but if he was pulled every time he put one on the ground he wouldn't be heading to Canton...It's been a while since I have seen such a poorly managed club during the last 2 minutes... spiking the ball on the one with over one minute to go?... wow... and hurrying for the next/last two runs?... pathetic...Let's just hope that these costly coaching decisions won't go unoticed because it was funny/nice/oldie Joe Gibbs...