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Blackjacks
Footballguy
I like Portis's value alot more. The RBBC isn't as scary now as many thought in the preseason. Clinton has looked much better than Betts and is now definetly the man in Washington. I think Portis ends up being a top ten guy for the rest of the year.
Respectfully disagree.First, Edge is the clear #1 back. Portis has pulled away a bit, but Betts always looms. Second, Edge's sched from here on out is ridiculously easy -- EDGE: @STL CAR @WAS BYE @TB DET @CIN SF CLE @SEA @NO ATL...PORTIS: @ GB ARI (hard) @NE (hard) @NYJ PHI (hard) @DAL (hard) @TB BUF CHI @NYG @MIN (Week 16 championship)Everyone's opinion will likely differ here, but add this stuff to the fact that Warner is believe it not a QB upgrade from Leinart and will make D's respect the pass more, and I'd say Edge has, um, the edge here.AND POST THIS IN ASSISTANT COACH NEXT TIME!
The_Man
Footballguy
I was an official Portis Pimp in the pre-season and picked him up in the 4th round to be my RB2, convinced I had gotten a Top 10 RB.
Four games in, I'm feeling like instead of a SOD, I got 3rd round value in the 4th. He's now fumbled his last two games, and has also gotten vultured at the goal line in both those games as well.
While I remain convinced Portis COULD put up Top 10 RB numbers if he got 20+ carries per game and all the goal line looks, it's now looking to me like he's going to get 15-17 carries per game and maybe one-half (or less) of the goal line carries. If he can pull out one huge game, I will try to sell high on Portis for a WR in the 10-20 range.
Four games in, I'm feeling like instead of a SOD, I got 3rd round value in the 4th. He's now fumbled his last two games, and has also gotten vultured at the goal line in both those games as well.
While I remain convinced Portis COULD put up Top 10 RB numbers if he got 20+ carries per game and all the goal line looks, it's now looking to me like he's going to get 15-17 carries per game and maybe one-half (or less) of the goal line carries. If he can pull out one huge game, I will try to sell high on Portis for a WR in the 10-20 range.
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Eagle Eye
Footballguy
It sux but
Resident A
Footballguy
I don't think there are 10 RBs I'd rather have than Portis. He's not fresh in anyone's mind because he has only played 4 games. The Skins are quietly a force in the NFC, Portis will be top-10.
redman
Footballguy
Portis in normal performance scoring, prorated for the bye, would rank 9th among RB's, and 10th in PPR leagues. And that was after one game of him splitting carries 50-50 with Betts, and with Campbell starting slowly but developing. I agree the team appears to be moderating his carries, which is a good thing frankly, but he's on pace for at least 250-270 carries looks every bit like a legit top 10 RB from here on out. And also keep in mind that Gibbs gets serious in December if his team's in the playoff hunt and will feed his workhorse. I could see Portis improving from his pace during fantasy playoffs.
The_Man
Footballguy
I hope you're right. Even with his limited carries, Portis is on pace for 1200 rushing yards, 250 receiving yards, and 12 TDs.
And his current pace might well be at the low end of what we can expect. His 4.5 ypc average is great.
I guess I'm still just waiting for that kind of 130-yard, 2 TD performance that carries me to a win.
And his current pace might well be at the low end of what we can expect. His 4.5 ypc average is great.
I guess I'm still just waiting for that kind of 130-yard, 2 TD performance that carries me to a win.
Amen to that. One 65 yard TD scamper and everyone will remember CP. I drafted him in the 5th and am holding.
Koya
Footballguy
What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
are you joking?and I am a portis owner.But a rb with an inury history, who has a more than proven back taking 10 carries a game from him, and is more likely to be used as a decoy than get the ball inside the 5?I might be able to name 20.What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
redman
Footballguy
are you joking?and I am a portis owner.But a rb with an inury history, who has a more than proven back taking 10 carries a game from him, and is more likely to be used as a decoy than get the ball inside the 5?I might be able to name 20.What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
Betts per-game carries, in order are: 17, 6, 7, 8. And the decoy stuff is baloney.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Understood.I think we established our two differing opinions of Portis in another thread before the season started. I'm just not as high on him as most in CP's FBG threads.
I don't think Portis will suit up all 16 games & I'd take any of the 11 straight up in redraft.
(Portis owner x2)
bucs4life_99
Footballguy
Agreed. If you've watched any Redskins games this year, it's pretty clear that Betts can't hold Portis's jock. Portis is averaging 4.5 ypc this year; Betts is at 2.7. And Portis has 37% of his team's offensive touchdowns this year, a number that puts him near the top of all running backs. As the Washington offense continues to improve, so will Portis. And he's already a top 10 RB right now!are you joking?and I am a portis owner.But a rb with an inury history, who has a more than proven back taking 10 carries a game from him, and is more likely to be used as a decoy than get the ball inside the 5?I might be able to name 20.What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
What were you expecting from him? As far as I'm concerned he's proven to be a great value and will only get better as the season wears on.
I would only take LT, Addai, Westbrook, Parker, Brown, Edge and LJ ahead of Portis right now.
I would only take LT, Addai, Westbrook, Parker, Brown, Edge and LJ ahead of Portis right now.
Ralph Furley
Footballguy
I don't understand the all the hate thrown CP's way.
He has been extremely consistent putting up double digit points all year, averaging about 70% of the carries in the backfield, in addition to scoring a TD in 3/4 games played.
Granted he has not had the "big" game yet but he still has 12 more games to play. I drafted him as my rb 3 and I couldn't be more happy with the pick.
P.S., Portis gets the goal line carries. Every once in awhile you see the fullback get the carry(Sellers TD) to keep the d honest, other then that, everything I have seen indicates he is the man at GL.
ETA - If a redraft was today, no doubt he is one of the top ten rb's off the board.
He has been extremely consistent putting up double digit points all year, averaging about 70% of the carries in the backfield, in addition to scoring a TD in 3/4 games played.
Granted he has not had the "big" game yet but he still has 12 more games to play. I drafted him as my rb 3 and I couldn't be more happy with the pick.
P.S., Portis gets the goal line carries. Every once in awhile you see the fullback get the carry(Sellers TD) to keep the d honest, other then that, everything I have seen indicates he is the man at GL.
ETA - If a redraft was today, no doubt he is one of the top ten rb's off the board.
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protoslacker
Footballguy
Bodysnatcher
Footballguy
I think that chucking 25% of the carries to Betts only helps Portis in the long run. Keeps him fresh, healthy, and changes the pace of the running game a bit.
Betts isn't getting 10 carries per game. Decoy stuff isn't true, name me 20 RBs that don't have a injury history. RBs get dinged up.are you joking?and I am a portis owner.But a rb with an inury history, who has a more than proven back taking 10 carries a game from him, and is more likely to be used as a decoy than get the ball inside the 5?I might be able to name 20.What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
.3 points per carry? That is a strange league.
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Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
He's had his bye. Where is he in per game average?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Do it.are you joking?and I am a portis owner.What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
But a rb with an inury history, who has a more than proven back taking 10 carries a game from him, and is more likely to be used as a decoy than get the ball inside the 5?
I might be able to name 20.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Do it.are you joking?and I am a portis owner.What 10 RBs would you draft ahead of Portis if the draft were held today?It sux but
But a rb with an inury history, who has a more than proven back taking 10 carries a game from him, and is more likely to be used as a decoy than get the ball inside the 5?
I might be able to name 20.
I wanna see these 20 RB's... Are we talking all time or currently playing? Because if it's currently playing, there is no way!
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
The league I own Portis in:RB11 in pp week. (just a smidgin behind James (.5) and Barber (.6)) Not bad for a 3rd round pick.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
In my mind, yes. You heard me right.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Same here. Like others, though, wishing they'd feed it to him 20 times a game.The league I own Portis in:RB11 in pp week. (just a smidgin behind James (.5) and Barber (.6)) Not bad for a 3rd round pick.
redman
Footballguy
@ Blazing Saddles. Sellers is interesting. He's emerging as a weapon, and I may have to eat some crow with regards to him stealing goalline touches from Portis but it's early. The coaches have been joking about how much Sellers has pestered them to get the ball, and the more they feed him the more they see how much of a mismatch he can be against people given his size and athleticism. He's essentially a larger Brandon Jacobs, and he probably catches better than Jacobs does though Jacobs is a more nimble runner. It helps that he never comes off the field given his role as a lead blocker and TE.I still don't envision the team ever lining up Sellers as the deep back or one back and simply handing him the ball down at the goalline though. He's going to fill the traditional H-back role, and get occasional quick handoffs as the lead back as a change of pace, or get receptions off of play-action or due to ad-libbed roll-outs by Campbell like you saw a lot in 2005 or on Sunday against the Lions.
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redman
Footballguy
I've maintained for over two years that Portis is probably optimized around 270-290 carries in a season, which is what he was getting in Denver. Any more and he gets worn down, any less and you're wasting his talent on the bench.I don't like it either, I voted no to that. It's a silly rule.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
The_Man
Footballguy
Latest thoughts on Portis? Green Bay's defense is tough, but another game, another fumble is not great.I'm still not sold on him as a Top 10 RB at this point.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He's just not putting up those big games I thought he would. I benched him yesterday and am glad I did so.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
He's starting to really frustrate me.
The Redskins' O-line is a shambles due to injuries. Not sure anyone can put up good numbers. An article in the Washington Post today quoted Chris Cooley as saying that they could no longer run the ball to the right side of the line, where all the injuries have been. When asked if the opponents had noted that trend, he said "Definitely".
I don't see how you can be successful if you can only call plays in one direction in the NFL.
I don't see how you can be successful if you can only call plays in one direction in the NFL.
shadyridr
Footballguy
So much for the Redskins homers who said the backup RT was actually better than Jansen and that they should be able to also overcome the injury to Thomas.
Gopher State
Footballguy
My take on Portis, first I drafted him the 4th round of my performance redraft league:
He is currently the 12 best RB in my scoring system and has had his bye week.
Averaging 4.2 yards per carry (LT is averaging 4.3 yards per carry)
Overall I happy to have him as my #3 RB on my team.
The key is where you drafted him if you used a 1st or 2nd round pick, not a great value, but 3rd or later I think he is a value play.
He is currently the 12 best RB in my scoring system and has had his bye week.
Averaging 4.2 yards per carry (LT is averaging 4.3 yards per carry)
Overall I happy to have him as my #3 RB on my team.
The key is where you drafted him if you used a 1st or 2nd round pick, not a great value, but 3rd or later I think he is a value play.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
he is always looking like he's dinged up every game. starting not to trust him. looking like a rb2 for the rest of the year.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I know. He limps off of the field at least once every game.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Green Bay got shredded early on when the Skins ran left, but quickly adjusted. Basically, the Skins need Moss out there to help stretch the field, and they need a healthy O-line. Portis will probably put up RB2 numbers the rest of the year. Good news - Betts hardly got any carries yesterday.
Bodysnatcher
Footballguy
His explosiveness is still there. The Redskins can't get the deep ball going, so there is no threat for the defenders not to play up and stop the short game.
