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These talking heads in the studios (this includes ex-players and coaches) are making a mountain out of a molehill once again.

I can't believe they are placing so much emphasis on this "Dallas can't win in December" lie. The Cowboys beat the Giants just last year in December. I don't mind a true interesting story, but c'mon man, be real at least a little.

When you make a statement like this at least make it a couple years trend. But when just the year before the feat they are saying doesn't happen, happened, that's nothing but a complete lie.

/rant

ps - wanted to post this before they won a game this year in December, but didn't think it would be last night. oops.

 
These talking heads in the studios (this includes ex-players and coaches) are making a mountain out of a molehill once again.I can't believe they are placing so much emphasis on this "Dallas can't win in December" lie. The Cowboys beat the Giants just last year in December. I don't mind a true interesting story, but c'mon man, be real at least a little.When you make a statement like this at least make it a couple years trend. But when just the year before the feat they are saying doesn't happen, happened, that's nothing but a complete lie./rantps - wanted to post this before they won a game this year in December, but didn't think it would be last night. oops.
I can't believe I'm replying to this or defending those morons at ESPN but obviously (I least I thought it was obvious) when they say Dallas "can't win in December" they don't mean that the Cowboys never ever, ever, ever, win a December game. They are referencing a trend where they Cowboys do in fact swoon in December... although last nights game was an impressive and perhaps trend-reversing (is that a word?) win.
 
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These talking heads in the studios (this includes ex-players and coaches) are making a mountain out of a molehill once again.I can't believe they are placing so much emphasis on this "Dallas can't win in December" lie. The Cowboys beat the Giants just last year in December. I don't mind a true interesting story, but c'mon man, be real at least a little.When you make a statement like this at least make it a couple years trend. But when just the year before the feat they are saying doesn't happen, happened, that's nothing but a complete lie./rantps - wanted to post this before they won a game this year in December, but didn't think it would be last night. oops.
I can't believe I'm replying to this or defending those morons at ESPN but obviously (I least I thought it was obvious) when they say Dallas "can't win in December" they don't mean that the Cowboys never ever, ever, ever, win a December game. They are referencing a trend where they Cowboys do in fact swoon in December... although last nights game was an impressive and perhaps trend-reversing (is that a word?) win.
This. Their record is something like 12-46 over the last several years. (Too lazy to look up stat, sorry.) It is a legitimate topic, like it or not.Besides- did you really think they meant that the Boys NEVER win a game? Dude... :mellow:
 
Actually I guess I'm just nitpicking. I would expect them to leave it at "The Cowboys suck in December". Just me I guess.

I'll pull a Roseanne Rosanna-Danna now.... Nevermind.

 
It's correlation vs. causation. We have 16 NFL games a week, 17 weeks a year. Over that many games, year after year, some fake "trends" are going to develop just out of basic statistical probability that people try and label a reason to. People can try and say it's cold in December, but they play in Texas. People can try and say they are chokers, but the team is composed of completely different people now than they were when this "trend" started.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins were the December chokers. Every year they'd start hot and fade in December. Everyone said that a warm weather team couldn't handle the cold of Foxboro/Buffalo, but even years where they got their division rivals at home in December it didn't help. Here we are a few years later and now the Dolphins have been strong in December the last few years, but they still play in Miami all year, nothing has changed with the weather.

It's barely different than the "Madden curse" really. Correlation.

 
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It's correlation vs. causation. We have 16 NFL games a week, 17 weeks a year. Over that many games, year after year, some fake "trends" are going to develop just out of basic statistical probability that people try and label a reason to. People can try and say it's cold in December, but they play in Texas. People can try and say they are chokers, but the team is composed of completely different people now than they were when this "trend" started.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins were the December chokers. Every year they'd start hot and fade in December. Everyone said that a warm weather team couldn't handle the cold of Foxboro/Buffalo, but even years where they got their division rivals at home in December it didn't help. Here we are a few years later and now the Dolphins have been strong in December the last few years, but they still play in Miami all year, nothing has changed with the weather.

It's barely different than the "Madden curse" really. Correlation.
I disagree. Athletes don't get it into their heads that they're going to get injured because they were on the Madden cover. But players can and do allow those "trends" to mess with their heads. It's a mental game-- just ask Nick Folk. A team can become interested in reversing a trend, focus on it, try too hard and hurt themselves in the long run. In the case of Dallas, there's merit to that trend. They don't play as well in December as they do the rest of the year. If the only thing those Dallas clubs have in common is the trend itself...it's in their heads.

 
It's correlation vs. causation. We have 16 NFL games a week, 17 weeks a year. Over that many games, year after year, some fake "trends" are going to develop just out of basic statistical probability that people try and label a reason to. People can try and say it's cold in December, but they play in Texas. People can try and say they are chokers, but the team is composed of completely different people now than they were when this "trend" started.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins were the December chokers. Every year they'd start hot and fade in December. Everyone said that a warm weather team couldn't handle the cold of Foxboro/Buffalo, but even years where they got their division rivals at home in December it didn't help. Here we are a few years later and now the Dolphins have been strong in December the last few years, but they still play in Miami all year, nothing has changed with the weather.

It's barely different than the "Madden curse" really. Correlation.
While I generally agree with this line of thinking, there have been some studies to indicate that Dallas and Denver are particularly predisposed to late-season meltdowns.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=1104

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=307

 
It's correlation vs. causation. We have 16 NFL games a week, 17 weeks a year. Over that many games, year after year, some fake "trends" are going to develop just out of basic statistical probability that people try and label a reason to. People can try and say it's cold in December, but they play in Texas. People can try and say they are chokers, but the team is composed of completely different people now than they were when this "trend" started.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins were the December chokers. Every year they'd start hot and fade in December. Everyone said that a warm weather team couldn't handle the cold of Foxboro/Buffalo, but even years where they got their division rivals at home in December it didn't help. Here we are a few years later and now the Dolphins have been strong in December the last few years, but they still play in Miami all year, nothing has changed with the weather.

It's barely different than the "Madden curse" really. Correlation.
I disagree. Athletes don't get it into their heads that they're going to get injured because they were on the Madden cover. But players can and do allow those "trends" to mess with their heads. It's a mental game-- just ask Nick Folk. A team can become interested in reversing a trend, focus on it, try too hard and hurt themselves in the long run. In the case of Dallas, there's merit to that trend. They don't play as well in December as they do the rest of the year. If the only thing those Dallas clubs have in common is the trend itself...it's in their heads.
Nick Folk is a poor example. There's a big difference between the mental aspects of being out there for a single play, performing a single action, while everyone is staring at you than their is the mental aspect of an entire group of 52 players over the course of an entire game. So when a lineman whiffs on a block in a December game do you think it's because it was in his head that this was December so he's not supposed to be as good of a blocker now, or do you think it's just because linemen miss blocks and this one happened to be in December? Do you think when Newman gets beat for a TD it's because he knows he's supposed to be a worse defender, or is it because cornerbacks get beaten for TDs and this one just happened to be in December?If anything, I would think the opposite of what you say would be more true. It seems feasible that a player on the Madden cover could know about the injury "curse" and play more passively because of it, which often times is what actually leads to injuries. Sort of a stretch, but much less of one than an entire large group of players that's different every year all suffering the exact same bizarre symptoms of somehow playing worse because they're aware of what month of the year it is.

And again, no one's addressed the Dolphins. They're "December fade" disappeared. Why? Was it because they took some classes on how to deal with the mental aspects that the month of December brings along, or was it just because statistical probability eventually balances out? My money is on the latter.

Also, one thing that people haven't addressed is that this is the Cowboys, and NFC East team we're talking about here. Those four teams are the most schizophrenic teams in the world. Every year the outlook of that division looks completely different in week 5 than it does in week 10 than it does in week 15. In week 5 one of the teams is seen as unbeatable while two are seen as in big trouble, then by week 10 that unbeatable team is now looked at as chumps while the two previously struggling team are seen as unbeatable. It's all cyclical in that division, eventually.

 
It's correlation vs. causation. We have 16 NFL games a week, 17 weeks a year. Over that many games, year after year, some fake "trends" are going to develop just out of basic statistical probability that people try and label a reason to. People can try and say it's cold in December, but they play in Texas. People can try and say they are chokers, but the team is composed of completely different people now than they were when this "trend" started.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins were the December chokers. Every year they'd start hot and fade in December. Everyone said that a warm weather team couldn't handle the cold of Foxboro/Buffalo, but even years where they got their division rivals at home in December it didn't help. Here we are a few years later and now the Dolphins have been strong in December the last few years, but they still play in Miami all year, nothing has changed with the weather.

It's barely different than the "Madden curse" really. Correlation.
I disagree. Athletes don't get it into their heads that they're going to get injured because they were on the Madden cover. But players can and do allow those "trends" to mess with their heads. It's a mental game-- just ask Nick Folk. A team can become interested in reversing a trend, focus on it, try too hard and hurt themselves in the long run. In the case of Dallas, there's merit to that trend. They don't play as well in December as they do the rest of the year. If the only thing those Dallas clubs have in common is the trend itself...it's in their heads.
Nick Folk is a poor example. There's a big difference between the mental aspects of being out there for a single play, performing a single action, while everyone is staring at you than their is the mental aspect of an entire group of 52 players over the course of an entire game. So when a lineman whiffs on a block in a December game do you think it's because it was in his head that this was December so he's not supposed to be as good of a blocker now, or do you think it's just because linemen miss blocks and this one happened to be in December? Do you think when Newman gets beat for a TD it's because he knows he's supposed to be a worse defender, or is it because cornerbacks get beaten for TDs and this one just happened to be in December?If anything, I would think the opposite of what you say would be more true. It seems feasible that a player on the Madden cover could know about the injury "curse" and play more passively because of it, which often times is what actually leads to injuries. Sort of a stretch, but much less of one than an entire large group of players that's different every year all suffering the exact same bizarre symptoms of somehow playing worse because they're aware of what month of the year it is.

And again, no one's addressed the Dolphins. They're "December fade" disappeared. Why? Was it because they took some classes on how to deal with the mental aspects that the month of December brings along, or was it just because statistical probability eventually balances out? My money is on the latter.

Also, one thing that people haven't addressed is that this is the Cowboys, and NFC East team we're talking about here. Those four teams are the most schizophrenic teams in the world. Every year the outlook of that division looks completely different in week 5 than it does in week 10 than it does in week 15. In week 5 one of the teams is seen as unbeatable while two are seen as in big trouble, then by week 10 that unbeatable team is now looked at as chumps while the two previously struggling team are seen as unbeatable. It's all cyclical in that division, eventually.
I think you're making my point for me. It is kind of bizarre, isn't it? That means it must not be an external force, but an internal one. All those players are aware of the problem and all of them are worried about continuing it. It's mental. It takes on a life of its own and becomes something big. It's all in their heads, but because it affects their play it's real. Winners have a winning mentality. Losers have a losing mentality. The Saints have a mentality that they can come back from anything. The Cowboys have a mentality that they fade down the stretch. Saturday night threw cold water on both of those positions. But they certainly existed before, and we'll see if one game was enough to erase them.

 
The Final tally for "December".

3-2, with wins over the two of the top teams in the NFC (including the #1 seed), and a close loss to the #2 seed in the AFC.

3 straight wins to close out the season.

Outscored their opponents, who had a combined record of 49-31, by a total of 99-61.

 
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The Final tally for "December".3-2, with wins over the two of the top teams in the NFC (including the #1 seed), and a close loss to the #2 seed in the AFC. 3 straight wins to close out the season.Outscored their opponents, who had a combined record of 49-31, by a total of 99-61.
Nice stat summary, thanks.
 

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