CNN: Why Trump is still winning (1 Viewer)

[Bozeman Bruiser]

CNN link

Mark Bauerlein explains why Trump keeps winning.... The answer? The left keeps doubling down on victim politics and hatred and the GOPe just stand there with their hand in the pockets looking at their bellybutton.

While this makes for great Twitter trends and animated CNN rants it does not help the left in defeating Trump and his agenda.

"This correction is not that hard to understand. You see, Trump has an invincible ally at the far end of the ideological spectrum. I don't mean the extreme right, the nationalists, paleoconservatives, and fringe groups that the media relentlessly tie to the President. He has better friends at the other pole, people on the far left who see the world only through the lens of race, gender, sexuality, and victimhood."

...

Something about a black professor claiming Galileo, Newton, Pasteur, and Einstein were only successful because of racism. Lol.

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"When you sit at the top with an office in the Capitol and people lining up to tell you how wonderful you are, an academic on MSNBC going on about white privilege, toxic masculinity, and cisgender bias doesn't bother you.

Nor does a school board that approves opposite-sex bathroom privileges for transgender students and casts concerned parents as "phobic."

"But people who voted for Trump have become especially attuned to such charges, and it only takes a quick playback by Rush Limbaugh or Tucker Carlson of the day's denunciation of America, white males, or the West by Professor X, Opinionator Y, or Celebrity Z to stoke their sense that the intellectuals loathe them. The more the accusers talk, the more rock hard Trump's base becomes."

This is probably the most accurate thing that has appeared on CNN's website in years.

Summary: Identity politics and morality policing are not winning strategies for the left. That is why Trump keeps winning and his base keeps getting stronger.

If the GOPe doesn't figure that out they will all be Corkered and Flaked come next election.

If the left doesn't figure it out they will never regain control of anything in DC.

 

[McGarnicle]

his base keeps getting stronger.

 cute 

 

[knowledge dropper]

You see this every day on this board. 

 

[Amused to Death]

Can you list all of his wins?  TIA.

 

[Mile High]

Maybe we should wait until the 2018 elections before declaring who the winners are.

 

[badmojo1006]

Which banned alias are you again?

 

[ericttspikes]

Which banned alias are you again?

My guess is Dodds alias

 

[McGarnicle]

#churchfart 

 

[Amused to Death]

Will the government shut down count as a win?

 

[timschochet]

Approval rating at 33% Last I checked. 

 

[Limp Ditka]

Approval rating at 33% Last I checked. 

And if there's one thing we can count on, its opinion polls.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In favor of Boze: Let me just say that opposing voices should be welcome.

Boze, as a point towards you, please try to be responsive and hear people's points. I think where we left off was you were asked to back up your assertion about Democratic payments "to Russia." Never heard back. And if you lose a point, maybe concede it and reconsider your POV. Congrats on your new thread.

 

[squistion]

Can you list all of his wins?  TIA.

 

[rockaction]

In favor of Boze: Let me just say that opposing voices should be welcome.

Boze, as a point towards you, please try to be responsive and hear people's points. I think where we left off was you were asked to back up your assertion about Democratic payments "to Russia." Never heard back. And if you lose a point, maybe concede it and reconsider your POV. Congrats on your new thread.

This. All of it.  

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Approval rating at 33% Last I checked. 

To be fair, Trump’s approval rating with Young Republicans is only around 25%.  Trump’s weak performance in race relations affects his approval with Young Republicans more than it does with older generations of Republicans.

 

[knowledge dropper]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/12/07/trump-removed-handcuffs-border-patrol-yielding-45-year-low-illegal-crossings-says-ice/

 

[rodg12]

Wait, wait, wait.  CNN is a reliable source NOW?!

 

[CentralPA]

"But people who voted for Trump have become especially attuned to such charges, and it only takes a quick playback by Rush Limbaugh or Tucker Carlson of the day's denunciation of America, white males, or the West by Professor X, Opinionator Y, or Celebrity Z to stoke their sense that the intellectuals loathe them. The more the accusers talk, the more rock hard Trump's base becomes."

Hey man, leave Charles Xavier out of this muck yall.  He can move #### with his mind and stuff.

 

[joffer]

Why California isn’t on fire......

 

[moleculo]

there's something to it for sure - victim politics is very much a source for right wing energy.

 IMO, what is happening is the Vast Right Wing Media Empire finds some obscure left-wing nutjob, hoists them up on a pedestal, and then knocks them down.  It's not quite making straw-man arguments because someone actually does make a (stupid) argument, but these idiots hardly represent mainstream thought.

I don't believe the Democrats are really as much into victim-politics as much as Rush and friends claim.  Rush goes on rants about how the liberals are all America haters..."I know these people because I've spent decades watching them" , all based on some idiot professor saying something stupid.  Suddenly all of the crusty old white men listen are convinced that all democrats want to take away their bibles.

 

[drummer]

Another POTUS comes in, and changes everything that Trump has done. It's not that he is doing anything remarkable. If it weren't for the adults in the room, Trump would have screwed it up even further. 

He was left with a bullish market, and a global economy that is going well forward. Where the danger lies: how well his administration can handle a crisis. All you need to recognize how well they are doing with that: Puerto Rico, which that article didn't mention. 

 

[Lutherman2112]

Several other works on CNN by Mark Bauerlein:

Why conservatives aren't buying Sen. John McCain's Trump-bashing

- Conservatives are not buying into the media narrative of McCain bravely calling out Trump, Bauerlein writes. McCain and others in the GOP are responsible for the party's long inability succeed -- until Trump, he writes.

GOP doesn't have a clue -- but Bannon does

- To grasp why many warm to Steve Bannon's war talk, listen to Paul Ryan using "inclusion" and other liberal catchwords. Bannon gets that the right hears such accommodation from GOP as assault on the patriotic, religious beliefs that they prize.

How Bannon turned the tables on liberals

- CBS interview with Steve Bannon upended the left's expectations: ruthless strategist? yes. Malicious, bigoted, idiotic? No way. He says Bannon plays political hardball, like the left has long done with "personal is political." He's evened up the teams.

By leaving Trump's panel, CEO's made things worse

- Trump dissolved business advisory panels after exodus of CEOs who said they were troubled by his handling of Charlottesville. Liberals have made it impossible to sit at table with someone with whom you disagree. This hurts democracy.

Liberals can't handle the Asian factor in affirmative action

- NY Times reflexively mis-characterized Justice Dept.'s affirmative action initiative as discrimination against whites. He says liberals uncomfortable facing 'Asian factor' in college admissions and with Trump administration transgressing progressive sacred principle.

James Comey, too sensitive for his own good
- James Comey did not sound like a respected former director of the FBI. He came across as a meek and fearful middle manager unable to stand up to his boss, writes Bauerlein

Before his penchant for Trump:

The novel America needs in 2013 - Clinging to fantasies like "Fifty Shades of Grey" may keep pre-adults from growing up, says Mark Bauerlein. 
- Today's 20-somethings want to stretch out their adolescence. We need a comic novel that exposes the habits of "pre-adults" as ludicrous. He says books have the power to fortify attitudes. Only all-out comedy or satire can show that pre-adults' behavior is backward.

Did Facebook kill love letters?

- In the old days, love wasn't social, it was private between couples. Today, social media services want all human experiences to be social. Psychologists have found that social media doesn't actually cure loneliness. He says that genuine love is anti-social.

 

[drummer]

Several other works on CNN by Mark Bauerlein:

Why conservatives aren't buying Sen. John McCain's Trump-bashing

- Conservatives are not buying into the media narrative of McCain bravely calling out Trump, Bauerlein writes. McCain and others in the GOP are responsible for the party's long inability succeed -- until Trump, he writes.

GOP doesn't have a clue -- but Bannon does

- To grasp why many warm to Steve Bannon's war talk, listen to Paul Ryan using "inclusion" and other liberal catchwords. Bannon gets that the right hears such accommodation from GOP as assault on the patriotic, religious beliefs that they prize.

How Bannon turned the tables on liberals

- CBS interview with Steve Bannon upended the left's expectations: ruthless strategist? yes. Malicious, bigoted, idiotic? No way. He says Bannon plays political hardball, like the left has long done with "personal is political." He's evened up the teams.

By leaving Trump's panel, CEO's made things worse

- Trump dissolved business advisory panels after exodus of CEOs who said they were troubled by his handling of Charlottesville. Liberals have made it impossible to sit at table with someone with whom you disagree. This hurts democracy.

Liberals can't handle the Asian factor in affirmative action

- NY Times reflexively mis-characterized Justice Dept.'s affirmative action initiative as discrimination against whites. He says liberals uncomfortable facing 'Asian factor' in college admissions and with Trump administration transgressing progressive sacred principle.

James Comey, too sensitive for his own good
- James Comey did not sound like a respected former director of the FBI. He came across as a meek and fearful middle manager unable to stand up to his boss, writes Bauerlein

Before his penchant for Trump:

The novel America needs in 2013 - Clinging to fantasies like "Fifty Shades of Grey" may keep pre-adults from growing up, says Mark Bauerlein. 
- Today's 20-somethings want to stretch out their adolescence. We need a comic novel that exposes the habits of "pre-adults" as ludicrous. He says books have the power to fortify attitudes. Only all-out comedy or satire can show that pre-adults' behavior is backward.

Did Facebook kill love letters?

- In the old days, love wasn't social, it was private between couples. Today, social media services want all human experiences to be social. Psychologists have found that social media doesn't actually cure loneliness. He says that genuine love is anti-social.

#FAKENEWS 

 

[The General]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/12/07/trump-removed-handcuffs-border-patrol-yielding-45-year-low-illegal-crossings-says-ice/

Nobody wants to come here anymore! Yes!

 

[Joe Summer]

CNN IS FAKE NEWS EXCEPT WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING THAT I LIKE.

 

[dickey moe]

Imagine the heads that will explode if he gets reelected.

 

[The General]

Imagine the heads that will explode if he gets reelected.

Putin is working on it.

 

[drummer]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/12/07/trump-removed-handcuffs-border-patrol-yielding-45-year-low-illegal-crossings-says-ice/

This only shows there is no need to build a wall. 

But: 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/09/deportations-of-vietnamese-cambodians-leave-asian-immigrants-shaken/

More than 200 Vietnamese and Cambodian immigrants across the Bay Area and nationwide were detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in October in never-before-seen roundups that have left communities shocked and fearful, according to local and national immigration activists.

Many of those detained have been transferred to detention centers in southern states as they await deportation. Others have already been sent back to their home countries, they said.

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/15/deportations-plea-bargains-immigration/

ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF Sessions is pushing federal prosecutors to bypass immigration courts as part of the Trump administration’s hard-line strategy on deportation. Behind closed doors, prosecutors are pressing noncitizens to sign away their rights to make a case for remaining in the country.

In the most dramatic cases, immigrants charged with crimes are signing plea agreements in which they promise they have “no present fear of torture” on returning to their home country. The pleas can block them from seeking asylum or protection from persecution.

http://www.kcra.com/article/immigration-crackdown-leads-to-deportations-of-europeans/10288871

BOSTON (AP) —

Europeans often hid in plain sight as Latin Americans, Asians and others living illegally in America were sent packing. But now they're starting to realize they are not immune to President Donald Trump's crackdown on illegal immigration, and they're worried.

The number of Europeans deported this federal fiscal year from the United States could surpass last fiscal year's total, according to figures provided to The Associated Press by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

From Oct. 2, 2016 through June 24, more than 1,300 Europeans have been removed, compared with 1,450 during all of federal fiscal year 2016 -- the last under President Barack Obama. The agency didn't provide estimates broken down by calendar year.

A border wall with no real immigration policy, is just that: a border wall real immigration policy. Discouraging illegal immigration could had been done if they enforced laws against hiring illegal immigrants, but the trade off for having them was the labor force they brought. While discouraging illegal immigration is something that should be done and can be effective, to have no real policy with it that could infringe the basic human rights of anyone is just bad policy all around, and to have an idiot like Stephen Miller in charge of it can only make it worse. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

Has anyone explained what Trump is "still winning" yet? I know why thanks to Mr. Bauerlein, but I'm not quite clear on the what.  It seems to me that if you're 11 months into your presidency and your campaign/administration has produced more felony indictments than real accomplishments you're not really winning anything.

 

[The General]

Has anyone explained what Trump is "still winning" yet? I know why thanks to Mr. Bauerlein, but I'm not quite clear on the what.  It seems to me that if you're 11 months into your presidency and your campaign/administration has produced more felony indictments than real accomplishments you're not really winning anything.

Angering libitards, duh.

 

[drummer]

Has anyone explained what Trump is "still winning" yet? I know why thanks to Mr. Bauerlein, but I'm not quite clear on the what.  It seems to me that if you're 11 months into your presidency and your campaign/administration has produced more felony indictments than real accomplishments you're not really winning anything.

"Winning" would mean Trump is expanding his base as well. Right now he is losing support of independents and the moderates who voted Obama to then voting for Trump. If a Blue Wave happens in 2018, well so much for he winning for his party. 

 

[Gr00vus]

I think the article is making some valid conclusions.

I think liberals do often times become preachy an condescending, and its a turn off. I'm guilty of it myself more often than I would like, and I'm trying to tone it down.

Things aren't perfect, and some segments of society have legitimate complaints - but addressing these complaints can't be the bulk of the highlights of a party platform. It creates a perception that that's all we care about, when that's not the case. There are serious issues to be addressed - the discrepancy in prison population demographics vs. the demographics of the U.S. is a big one, which has significant repercussions in multiple policy areas. You can't get hung up on the symptom itself to the extent you aren't able to convey legitimate solutions to the underlying problems. And I think that's where liberals get lost often times - we never get past screaming that the injustices exist to move on to what rational approaches to dealing with them are. And we need to do this without completely demonizing people who may not completely get it yet. Not everybody who doesn't understand your point of view or your experience is a bigot. They may be ignorant in a particular area, but reveling in their ignorance or browbeating them about it isn't going to make things better.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I think the article is making some valid conclusions.

I think liberals do often times become preachy an condescending, and its a turn off. I'm guilty of it myself more often than I would like, and I'm trying to tone it down.

Things aren't perfect, and some segments of society have legitimate complaints - but addressing these complaints can't be the bulk of the highlights of a party platform. It creates a perception that that's all we care about, when that's not the case. There are serious issues to be addressed - the discrepancy in prison population demographics vs. the demographics of the U.S. is a big one, which has significant repercussions in multiple policy areas. You can't get hung up on the symptom itself to the extent you aren't able to convey legitimate solutions to the underlying problems. And I think that's where liberals get lost often times - we never get past screaming that the injustices exist to move on to what rational approaches to dealing with them are. And we need to do this without completely demonizing people who may not completely get it yet. Not everybody who doesn't understand your point of view or your experience is a bigot. They may be ignorant in a particular area, but reveling in their ignorance or browbeating them about it isn't going to make things better.

Nice post

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Has anyone explained what Trump is "still winning" yet? I know why thanks to Mr. Bauerlein, but I'm not quite clear on the what.  It seems to me that if you're 11 months into your presidency and your campaign/administration has produced more felony indictments than real accomplishments you're not really winning anything.

If he gets the tax bill passed, that is a big win for the old-school GOP base, the 1%.  It is by far the most important current issue and will have real impact in all of our lives. Yet the focus is on Russia, which so far seems to be little more than nothing at all.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If he gets the tax bill passed, that is a big win for the old-school GOP base, the 1%.  It is by far the most important current issue and will have real impact in all of our lives. Yet the focus is on Russia, which so far seems to be little more than nothing at all.

So, no wins yet? And the "win" on the horizon is legislation that is so transparently awful that it actually polls worse than recent tax increases?

 

[Mister CIA]

Putin is working on it.

P####y Riot for Grand Poohbah of Russia!

America, #### yeah!

 

[RBM]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/12/07/trump-removed-handcuffs-border-patrol-yielding-45-year-low-illegal-crossings-says-ice/

Major WIN

 

[drummer]

Major WIN

Your palm is getting even more rosier than yesterday!

 

[RBM]

Economy booming the likes we haven’t seen in a long time. Jobs are back. 

Illegals WAY down. Travel ban IN. 

All legal Americans are winning but most on this board would rather cry about twitter and the like. 

 

[drummer]

Economy booming the likes we haven’t seen in a long time because the US economy is based on Trump's election. Jobs are back even though most are in the food industry

Illegals WAY down. Travel ban IN. 

All racist Americans are winning and most on this board have rosy palms about twitter and the like!

WINNING

 

[squistion]

Economy booming the likes we haven’t seen in a long time. Jobs are back. 

Illegals WAY down. Travel ban IN. 

All legal Americans are winning but most on this board would rather cry about twitter and the like. 

Yes, not since the likes of Obama.

 

[James Daulton]

Economy booming the likes we haven’t seen in a long time. Jobs are back. 

Illegals WAY down. Travel ban IN. 

All legal Americans are winning but most on this board would rather cry about twitter and the like. 

The likes of which we haven't seen in a long time?  Jobs are back?

So 1 or 2 years ago you'd have said the economy was bad and jobs were going away?

 

[McJose]

Jobs are back. 

Come on, man http://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_8974_us_unemployment_rate_n.jpg

 

[Gr00vus]

Come on, man http://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_8974_us_unemployment_rate_n.jpg

U.S. unemployment rate for Oct 2017 currently sits at 4.1% - that's pretty good.

 

[McJose]

U.S. unemployment rate for Oct 2017 currently sits at 4.1% - that's pretty good.

wat

 

[The General]

Economy booming the likes we haven’t seen in a long time. Jobs are back. 

Illegals WAY down. Travel ban IN. 

All legal Americans are winning but most on this board would rather cry about twitter and the like. 

Been winning for years now. 

 

[Gr00vus]

wat

The chart you posted is out of date. The rate has been below the 4.6% mark (from the 2007 point highlighted in the chart you posted) since March of this year. The most recent rate, from October this year, is 4.1%.

Now people can move on to arguing about whether the unemployment rate is the best measure for determining if people are adequately employed.

 

[McJose]

The chart you posted is out of date. The rate has been below the 4.6% mark (from the 2007 point highlighted in the chart you posted) since March of this year. The most recent rate, from October this year, is 4.1%.

Now people can move on to arguing about whether the unemployment rate is the best measure for determining if people are adequately employed.

I posted the chart simply to show our fellow scholar that "jobs have been coming back" since 2009-2010.

 

[RBM]

Yes, not since the likes of Obama.

Barak “never sniffed 3% GDP growth” Obama?  That guy?

 

[Dedfin]

Definitely Higgs.  100% him.