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CNNSI: Trent Edwards favourite for MVP? (1 Viewer)

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I could see Warner getting it, but Edwards?? :goodposting: :confused:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...atch/index.html

MVP

1. Trent Edwards, QB, Bills (Last week's ranking: 5): The Bills' budding superstar has rallied the team in three of their four victories. With a looming showdown with the Chargers, the Bills need Edwards to pick up where he left off prior to his concussion.

2. Clinton Portis, RB, Redskins (3): The league's leading rusher has topped the century mark in three consecutive games. His re-emergence as a premiere back has ignited the Redskins' surprisingly hot start.

3. Jay Cutler, QB, Broncos (1): The Broncos star quarterback has cooled off in recent weeks, but his solid play under center is the primary reason the team leads the AFC West.

4. Drew Brees, QB, Saints (NR): After passing for more than 300 yards for the fifth time in six starts, Brees is on track to surpass Dan Marino's single-season passing record of 5,084 yards.

5. Kurt Warner, QB, Cardinals (NR)
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Even though he's only a rookie, how can a guy like Matt Ryan be omitted? The Falcons are 4-2 and tied for first in their division.

 
I think the whole MVP thing is looked at the wrong way. IMO, the MVP is not necessarily the best player in the league, but the one that is most valuable to his team. If you look at it that way, Edwards and Warner could both get a look along with Ryan as mentioned above. We all saw what the Bills looked like with Edwards out of the lineup 2 weeks ago and I don't think they would go anywhere if he was out for an extended period of time.

 
IndyHavoc said:
Sinrman said:
Uhhh.. Drew Brees by a lot...
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:yes: There is NO possible reasoning that has Brees as anything but the front runner by a TON at this point in the season.
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I can think of one possible reason; Has the NFL MVP award ever gone to a player on a team that was last in it's division? As of this moment the Saints are dead last in their division.BTW, I'm not saying he isn't playing great this season..... just that it's hard for me to believe that's not a "possible" reason he's not "the front runner by a TON at this point in the season".

 
Agree with 4 of the 5 choices, but haven't really thought about MVP yet. (Would probably swap Ryan with Edwards right now, but I don't expect either in the discussion by the end of the year).

 
I know Buffalo is practically Canada, but technically it's not so let's please do away with this "favourite" stuff. TIA.

 
It's a 3 horse race right now with Brees, Warner and Portis, imo.

Cutler needs to right the ship in Denver from the recent dropoff, and Edwards needs to do more than 200 yards and 1 TD on a good week to even be considered.

 
snellman said:
I think the whole MVP thing is looked at the wrong way. IMO, the MVP is not necessarily the best player in the league, but the one that is most valuable to his team. If you look at it that way, Edwards and Warner could both get a look along with Ryan as mentioned above. We all saw what the Bills looked like with Edwards out of the lineup 2 weeks ago and I don't think they would go anywhere if he was out for an extended period of time.
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So, Edwards gets MVP consideration just because Losman sucks?
 
Perception is a funny thing. Edwards was viewed with indifference until the Bills started the year strong. Somehow the same old 200 yards and 1 TD performance turned into MVP play. Despite the fact that the Bills are the class of the AFC East right now, this notion of Edwards being an MVP is silly, imo.

 
snellman said:
I think the whole MVP thing is looked at the wrong way. IMO, the MVP is not necessarily the best player in the league, but the one that is most valuable to his team. If you look at it that way, Edwards and Warner could both get a look along with Ryan as mentioned above. We all saw what the Bills looked like with Edwards out of the lineup 2 weeks ago and I don't think they would go anywhere if he was out for an extended period of time.
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Is that how the NFL looks at it? After all, don't 32 players fit that description?
 
Weiner Dog said:
Even though he's only a rookie, how can a guy like Matt Ryan be omitted? The Falcons are 4-2 and tied for first in their division.
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he has a QB rating of 83, has thrown 5 TDs, and has the 2nd best running game in the NFL.when ppl think of Ryan/Falcons they think Dilfer/Ravens (whether right or wrong)
 
shakeybarn said:
Weiner Dog said:
Even though he's only a rookie, how can a guy like Matt Ryan be omitted? The Falcons are 4-2 and tied for first in their division.
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he has a QB rating of 83, has thrown 5 TDs, and has the 2nd best running game in the NFL.when ppl think of Ryan/Falcons they think Dilfer/Ravens (whether right or wrong)
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I would argue that they probably think more Roth (in his first year) and the Steelers. Perhaps it is the same thing, but Roth as a rookie had a lot more potential than Dilfer had when he won the SB with the Ravens.
 
To the original point of the thread, and this is just my opinion but I think it is a joke to think that Edwards is the MVP even just up to this point. The Bills team has definitely been good so far, and Edwards has been a more than adequate QB, but if you are going to go by that then also included on the list should be

Rodgers

Orton

Rivers

Romo

Eli

Campbell

Delhomme

Big Ben (probably could make a strong argument for him anyway)

Peyton

and Oh yeah, Kerry Collins.

Brees to me seems to be hands down the guy, because though he also has a strong surrounding cast he has been spectacular individually as well. Edwards has a strong surrounding cast, and has been average.

 
While the SI column had its desired effect b/c we're talking about it, anyone that's spent 15 minutes actually looking at the previous winners and the commonalities they share would know that saying Edwards is a contender, much less the favorite for MVP right now is silliness personified.

 
Jason Wood said:
While the SI column had its desired effect b/c we're talking about it, anyone that's spent 15 minutes actually looking at the previous winners and the commonalities they share would know that saying Edwards is a contender, much less the favorite for MVP right now is silliness personified.
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the writer has to be a bills fan.
 
NFL debates about the MVP are annoying because some people argue who should win the MVP and some people argue who will win the MVP. They really are different questions, as the first asks you who you think the most valuable player is and the second asks who you think other people think the most valuable player is. That leads to lots of confusing arguments.

Of course, we don't really need to focus on that distinction in this thread.

 
Hipple said:
Bojang0301 said:
Ryan has been good but it's Roddy White that's the MVP of that team.
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:shrug:Just cuz Roddy finally figured out how to catch a pass doesn't make him team mvp.1. ryan2. Turner3. mike smith4. Falocons o line5. roddy roddy pooper
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Let me guess you dropped him in Dynasty. No way Ryan is the most valuable. If anything I would buy that Turner is keeping teams honest and allowing Ryan to excel as a rookie. BTW, why the Roddy hate? He has been consistent for two years now with Joey Harrington, Chris Redman, Byron Leftwich and a Rookie Matt Ryan at QB.
 
13-7 Bills at halftime vs. SD, Edwards looking sharp !

19/21 179YDS and a TD

 
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Obviously anybody that has not mentioned Trent Edwards as a serious MVP canidate base everything they know about football completely on fantasy football value! How can a guy who is the most efficiant, who has the best QB rating in the 4th quarter, and has led his team to a 5-1 start get no MVP love? Oh because he doesn't throw for 5 TDs and 2 picks a game! No he's more a ball control, never make mistakes, throw for 250 and a TD with no turnovers type a guy! He's the guy the entire offense and defense look to for leadership. Since his rookie year he's like 10-4 as a starter. Can anybody name me 10 other QB to start that way their first 2 years off the top of their head ever? There is no doubt that the 4 or 5 other QB taken before Edwards in the draft are nowhere near his caliber and I bet if you ask any other of the 31 teams that passed on this guy they will tell you they are kicking themselves! As of right now bottom line Edwards is the MVP of the League! Show me a stat that proves different, because I can assure you no MVP is going to be on a team that is just above .500!

 
nubadunk said:
Obviously anybody that has not mentioned Trent Edwards as a serious MVP canidate base everything they know about football completely on fantasy football value! How can a guy who is the most efficiant, who has the best QB rating in the 4th quarter, and has led his team to a 5-1 start get no MVP love? Oh because he doesn't throw for 5 TDs and 2 picks a game! No he's more a ball control, never make mistakes, throw for 250 and a TD with no turnovers type a guy! He's the guy the entire offense and defense look to for leadership. Since his rookie year he's like 10-4 as a starter. Can anybody name me 10 other QB to start that way their first 2 years off the top of their head ever? There is no doubt that the 4 or 5 other QB taken before Edwards in the draft are nowhere near his caliber and I bet if you ask any other of the 31 teams that passed on this guy they will tell you they are kicking themselves! As of right now bottom line Edwards is the MVP of the League! Show me a stat that proves different, because I can assure you no MVP is going to be on a team that is just above .500!
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There was a vocal group calling for David Garrard to get the MVP last year. He didn't.VERY similar situations (except Garrard is more of a playmaker and mobile QB than Edwards).So NO, while Edwards is playing great, he simply can't win the MVP with pedestrian stat lines.
 
Edwards has played very well this year, and deserves major kudos for that, but there is no way he is a serious MVP candidate right now. No way. I think his surprising play is causing some people to overrate his MVP chances at this point. That tends to happen sometimes. A player plays much better than most thought he would, and all of a sudden, he is the best or most valuable player in the league. Heck, if the Pro Bowl were next week, Edwards wouldn't even be one of the AFC's three QBs (not that the Pro Bowl is a true indication of anything, but in this case, if you cannot even crack being one of the top three at your position in your conference, your chances of being the entire league's MVP are slim to none).

 
Ghost Rider said:
Edwards has played very well this year, and deserves major kudos for that, but there is no way he is a serious MVP candidate right now. No way. I think his surprising play is causing some people to overrate his MVP chances at this point. That tends to happen sometimes. A player plays much better than most thought he would, and all of a sudden, he is the best or most valuable player in the league. Heck, if the Pro Bowl were next week, Edwards wouldn't even be one of the AFC's three QBs (not that the Pro Bowl is a true indication of anything, but in this case, if you cannot even crack being one of the top three at your position in your conference, your chances of being the entire league's MVP are slim to none).
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:) He's essentially undefeated, and has the #2 QB rating in the AFC. He's only behind Rivers, who Trent totally outplayed this past weekend.
 
Histroically, the best offensive player on one of the best (ie elite) teams will win the award. So guys that have great years on .500 teams won't get much love (at least usually).

 
nubadunk said:
Obviously anybody that has not mentioned Trent Edwards as a serious MVP canidate base everything they know about football completely on fantasy football value! How can a guy who is the most efficiant, who has the best QB rating in the 4th quarter, and has led his team to a 5-1 start get no MVP love? Oh because he doesn't throw for 5 TDs and 2 picks a game! No he's more a ball control, never make mistakes, throw for 250 and a TD with no turnovers type a guy! He's the guy the entire offense and defense look to for leadership. Since his rookie year he's like 10-4 as a starter. Can anybody name me 10 other QB to start that way their first 2 years off the top of their head ever? There is no doubt that the 4 or 5 other QB taken before Edwards in the draft are nowhere near his caliber and I bet if you ask any other of the 31 teams that passed on this guy they will tell you they are kicking themselves! As of right now bottom line Edwards is the MVP of the League! Show me a stat that proves different, because I can assure you no MVP is going to be on a team that is just above .500!
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OK, that's fair. Then ad Jason Campbell to your list as well...
 
I will say upfront that any MVP talk (for any player) this early in the season in silly, and instead address those in here who have said that Edwards' play has merely been mediocre or marginally above average. Simply, you have no idea what you are talking about and I am almost 100% sure you have not watched any Bills game this year to make a qualified statement.

Watching this team for more than a couple quarters, you quickly realize how dependent the Bills are on Edwards. The guy has amazing pocket presence, a quick release and is reading defenses as well as any quarterback in the league. Yes, his offensive line is above average in pass protection, but I would not say that his surrounding cast as a whole is above average... their running game is still non-existent and the roster still lacks a true #2 receiver and a pass-catching tight end. And yet Edwards is making the most of what he has and he has been remarkably efficient at it... particularly with games on the line in the 4th quarter.

Given the current make-up of their roster, coaching philosophy and the annual weather issues that come with playing in Buffalo/AFC East, Edwards will probably never be a guy that will put up huge numbers, but that alone should not exclude him from being mentioned in the top tier of quarterbacks in the league.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Heck, if the Pro Bowl were next week, Edwards wouldn't even be one of the AFC's three QBs
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I agree that Edwards shouldn't really be in the discussion for MVP at this point, but it would be a travashamockery if he wasn't in the Pro Bowl if the season ended today.
 
OC Zed said:
I will say upfront that any MVP talk (for any player) this early in the season in silly, and instead address those in here who have said that Edwards' play has merely been mediocre or marginally above average. Simply, you have no idea what you are talking about and I am almost 100% sure you have not watched any Bills game this year to make a qualified statement.Watching this team for more than a couple quarters, you quickly realize how dependent the Bills are on Edwards. The guy has amazing pocket presence, a quick release and is reading defenses as well as any quarterback in the league. Yes, his offensive line is above average in pass protection, but I would not say that his surrounding cast as a whole is above average... their running game is still non-existent and the roster still lacks a true #2 receiver and a pass-catching tight end. And yet Edwards is making the most of what he has and he has been remarkably efficient at it... particularly with games on the line in the 4th quarter. Given the current make-up of their roster, coaching philosophy and the annual weather issues that come with playing in Buffalo/AFC East, Edwards will probably never be a guy that will put up huge numbers, but that alone should not exclude him from being mentioned in the top tier of quarterbacks in the league.
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:no:Edwards is sort of like Aikman in the sense that he's playing at a very high level despite putting up pedestrian passing stats. (Note: I am not saying that Edwards is as good as Aikman was at the zenith of his career; I'm just saying that sometimes you can't judge the quality of a guy's play just by looking at statistics).
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
nubadunk said:
Obviously anybody that has not mentioned Trent Edwards as a serious MVP canidate base everything they know about football completely on fantasy football value! How can a guy who is the most efficiant, who has the best QB rating in the 4th quarter, and has led his team to a 5-1 start get no MVP love? Oh because he doesn't throw for 5 TDs and 2 picks a game! No he's more a ball control, never make mistakes, throw for 250 and a TD with no turnovers type a guy! He's the guy the entire offense and defense look to for leadership. Since his rookie year he's like 10-4 as a starter. Can anybody name me 10 other QB to start that way their first 2 years off the top of their head ever? There is no doubt that the 4 or 5 other QB taken before Edwards in the draft are nowhere near his caliber and I bet if you ask any other of the 31 teams that passed on this guy they will tell you they are kicking themselves! As of right now bottom line Edwards is the MVP of the League! Show me a stat that proves different, because I can assure you no MVP is going to be on a team that is just above .500!
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There was a vocal group calling for David Garrard to get the MVP last year. He didn't.VERY similar situations (except Garrard is more of a playmaker and mobile QB than Edwards).So NO, while Edwards is playing great, he simply can't win the MVP with pedestrian stat lines.
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If Edwards throws for at least 17 tds and has 5-6 picks all year and the Bills go 12-4 I guarantee Trent Edwards is in the Pro Bowl and in the top 3 for MVP quarantee!
 
jurb26 said:
nubadunk said:
Obviously anybody that has not mentioned Trent Edwards as a serious MVP canidate base everything they know about football completely on fantasy football value! How can a guy who is the most efficiant, who has the best QB rating in the 4th quarter, and has led his team to a 5-1 start get no MVP love? Oh because he doesn't throw for 5 TDs and 2 picks a game! No he's more a ball control, never make mistakes, throw for 250 and a TD with no turnovers type a guy! He's the guy the entire offense and defense look to for leadership. Since his rookie year he's like 10-4 as a starter. Can anybody name me 10 other QB to start that way their first 2 years off the top of their head ever? There is no doubt that the 4 or 5 other QB taken before Edwards in the draft are nowhere near his caliber and I bet if you ask any other of the 31 teams that passed on this guy they will tell you they are kicking themselves! As of right now bottom line Edwards is the MVP of the League! Show me a stat that proves different, because I can assure you no MVP is going to be on a team that is just above .500!
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OK, that's fair. Then ad Jason Campbell to your list as well...
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U could add Jason Cambpell to that list but the Redskins better win at least 11 games and dominate NYG and PHILI and Dallas which they won't do!
 
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