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Coach Skeletor's hilarious reaction to if Cutler gets the start (1 Viewer)

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"Coach Mike Shanahan left the podium after Thursday's game when asked if he'll replace Jake Plummer with Jay Cutler at practice Monday.

The Denver Post describes Shanahan's flight from the stage as "One, Mississippi. Two, Miss ... and Shanahan was gone." Cutler looks to be the pick next Sunday night versus Seattle."

 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
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why do you keep saying that?
Probably because the ONE person on this board who has their finger on the pulse of the Broncos better than anyone else here (except maybe Cecil) is SSOG. :shrug:
Don't forget we have a lurker named Schefter......He is pretty good too.Besides, we all just try to hit on a big percentage. I'm not even perfect all the time (but I come pretty close) :yes: :thumbup:

 
Denver is learning the very distasteful fact that they may well be the third best team in their division this year.

 
Clearly SSOG doesn't understand the power of "take it to the bank." The next thing you know people will be making "locks of the week" without any real insight or breakdown. You can take that to the bank. :D

 
"Coach Mike Shanahan left the podium after Thursday's game when asked if he'll replace Jake Plummer with Jay Cutler at practice Monday.The Denver Post describes Shanahan's flight from the stage as "One, Mississippi. Two, Miss ... and Shanahan was gone." Cutler looks to be the pick next Sunday night versus Seattle."
Funny, I watched the press conference and when Shanny was done talking he asked if anyone had any more questions. Long pause. Then he said OK if there are no more questions... Then he got up and left. If the Post wanted to ask about Cutler, they had plenty of opportunity. Typical Post reporting. I read the Rocky.
 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
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why do you keep saying that?
Probably because the ONE person on this board who has their finger on the pulse of the Broncos better than anyone else here (except maybe Cecil) is SSOG. :shrug:
SSOG is great at showing what has happened, and what is happening. His analysis of the current state of the Broncos is usually spot on.Not so much when it comes to what is going to happen.

 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
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why do you keep saying that?
Probably because the ONE person on this board who has their finger on the pulse of the Broncos better than anyone else here (except maybe Cecil) is SSOG. :shrug:
Really? Every piece of advice he threw out in the preseason about their running back situation was wrong. Not that I don't appreciate the effort, but I'm pretty sure that he can make mistakes. I think he's making one here, too - I expect to see Cutler next week.
 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
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PLEASE do not quote posts from other threads this way.If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."BTW, SSOG knows a lot about the Broncos - probably more than anyone else oin the board - but he will be the first to tell you he has no "sources" in the organization.
 
If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."
Hi Marc,What is the problem with calling someone out? People (not necessarily SSOG) love bumping posts and quoting themselves when they are right, so why not hold people accountable when they are wrong? Do people get offended when others call them out on the predictions that they've made?Just curious. TIA.
 
If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."
Hi Marc,What is the problem with calling someone out? People (not necessarily SSOG) love bumping posts and quoting themselves when they are right, so why not hold people accountable when they are wrong? Do people get offended when others call them out on the predictions that they've made?Just curious. TIA.
agree with this... if you're gonna bump old posts and beat your chest when you're right, you should be able to take the lumps and eat crow when you're wrong.
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.

SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.

One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.

 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
:popcorn:
why do you keep saying that?
Probably because the ONE person on this board who has their finger on the pulse of the Broncos better than anyone else here (except maybe Cecil) is SSOG. :shrug:
Really? Every piece of advice he threw out in the preseason about their running back situation was wrong. Not that I don't appreciate the effort, but I'm pretty sure that he can make mistakes. I think he's making one here, too - I expect to see Cutler next week.All of the advise that I've seen from him this year during the regular has also been weak.

The Denver running game is a shadow of its former self. It's current state is below average as is the entire Bronco offense. Yes, they have a below average NFL offense.

The right advise this year was to stay away from the Denver RBs.
 
If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."
Hi Marc,What is the problem with calling someone out? People (not necessarily SSOG) love bumping posts and quoting themselves when they are right, so why not hold people accountable when they are wrong? Do people get offended when others call them out on the predictions that they've made?Just curious. TIA.
agree with this... if you're gonna bump old posts and beat your chest when you're right, you should be able to take the lumps and eat crow when you're wrong.
I agree - but SSOG did not post in THIS thread. Nor did he respond to Shannie's press conference. It is inappropriate to take someone's post from ANOTHER thread and use it in THIS thread in an effort to call them out.
 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
:popcorn:
why do you keep saying that?
Probably because the ONE person on this board who has their finger on the pulse of the Broncos better than anyone else here (except maybe Cecil) is SSOG. :shrug:
Really? Every piece of advice he threw out in the preseason about their running back situation was wrong. Not that I don't appreciate the effort, but I'm pretty sure that he can make mistakes. I think he's making one here, too - I expect to see Cutler next week.All of the advise that I've seen from him this year during the regular has also been weak.

The Denver running game is a shadow of its former self. It's current state is below average as is the entire Bronco offense. Yes, they have a below average NFL offense.

The right advise this year was to stay away from the Denver RBs.
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
Why are folks getting so bent out of shape about this? If you are ####y enough to end an opinion with "Take it to the bank", you should be big enough to take it when someone "calls you out" on it. Not sure why this is even being discussed? Ignore it and let SSOG stand up fo himself IMHO... :shrug:
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
Why are folks getting so bent out of shape about this? If you are ####y enough to end an opinion with "Take it to the bank", you should be big enough to take it when someone "calls you out" on it. Not sure why this is even being discussed? Ignore it and let SSOG stand up fo himself IMHO... :shrug:
pet peeve of mine. The only reason I take offense is that SSOG and I were in complete agreement at the time.
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
Yes, we know you kiss SSOG's ### and we know you two are always wrong together and we will all pickup up Cutler (if we need a QB) because you two said he will not play. Why everyone considers SSOG the voice of the Denver Broncos is hilarious unless of course it’s opposite day …then he is always right.
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
Why are folks getting so bent out of shape about this? If you are ####y enough to end an opinion with "Take it to the bank", you should be big enough to take it when someone "calls you out" on it. Not sure why this is even being discussed? Ignore it and let SSOG stand up fo himself IMHO... :shrug:
I have no problem with a poster ragging on someone for a failed call (I said the same thing about Cutler :bag: )The problem is Big Score has done it in a couple of threads. If you want to call out a person's missed prediction once, great, but to go into a couple of different threads and be a stalker is just being an ###.
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
Why are folks getting so bent out of shape about this? If you are ####y enough to end an opinion with "Take it to the bank", you should be big enough to take it when someone "calls you out" on it. Not sure why this is even being discussed? Ignore it and let SSOG stand up fo himself IMHO... :shrug:
The problem is Big Score has done it in a couple of threads. If you want to call out a person's missed prediction once, great, but to go into a couple of different threads and be a stalker is just being an ###.
:goodposting: Big Score is always doing this type of stuff here. :yes:
 
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The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
:popcorn:
PLEASE do not quote posts from other threads this way.If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."BTW, SSOG knows a lot about the Broncos - probably more than anyone else oin the board - but he will be the first to tell you he has no "sources" in the organization.
WTF? This seems perfectly appropriate to me.
 
If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."
Hi Marc,What is the problem with calling someone out? People (not necessarily SSOG) love bumping posts and quoting themselves when they are right, so why not hold people accountable when they are wrong? Do people get offended when others call them out on the predictions that they've made?Just curious. TIA.
agree with this... if you're gonna bump old posts and beat your chest when you're right, you should be able to take the lumps and eat crow when you're wrong.
I agree - but SSOG did not post in THIS thread. Nor did he respond to Shannie's press conference. It is inappropriate to take someone's post from ANOTHER thread and use it in THIS thread in an effort to call them out.
That sounds pretty absurd to me. So, according to this logic, we really can't make reference to anything anybody says unless it's posted in this thread? What's the difference between this and referencing newspaper articles or news reports (that obviously weren't part of this thread) and calling THEM out? Or, do you limit this just to the FBG community--that we can't make reference to anything any FBG hass said in other posts? I don't get it. Look, if SSOG said it, it's in the public record. No sense in acting like it never happened.
 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.

SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.

One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
I like the "100% correct opinion" part best. Last I checked, your "evidence" might not have accounted for all relevant factors (e.g., Jake Plummer sucks), whereas those of us who thought Cutler would get some PT this year were clearly looking at a different set of evidence. And, now it appears that your opinion was 0% correct, and ours was 100% correct.This is getting funny now.

 
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I don't think it's Cutler for good, at least. I mean maybe Shanny sees a win-able game or an "easy" stretch but he would have to be super with his decision making to keep the starting job in the playoffs. Plummer's had his share of bad games but I'd take a vet in the playoffs anyday.

 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.

SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.

One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
I like the "100% correct opinion" part best. Last I checked, your "evidence" might not have accounted for all relevant factors (e.g., Jake Plummer sucks), whereas those of us who thought Cutler would get some PT this year were clearly looking at a different set of evidence. And, now it appears that your opinion was 0% correct, and ours was 100% correct.This is getting funny now.
evidence <> opinion. I'm looking for direct quotes from people on staff at Denver. "Plummer sucks" is an opinion. Tell me what this opinion is based on, and restrict your arguement to Jakes stats with the Broncos, pre-season performance, direct quotes from Broncos and/or coaching staff, and first hand reports from writers at training camp.Maybe you are ok with pure guessing for your pre-season predicitons and holding onto your pre-concieved biases, I'm not.

 
The only way Cutler even gets a SNIFF of the starting lineup this year is if Plummer is injured. Take it to the bank.
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PLEASE do not quote posts from other threads this way.If SSOG posts in here, fine. Otherwise, bringing him into this thread like that is, in essence, "calling him out."

BTW, SSOG knows a lot about the Broncos - probably more than anyone else oin the board - but he will be the first to tell you he has no "sources" in the organization.
Sorry Marc, et al.When quoting SSOG, it was not my intention to be "calling him out.", as you put it. I personally don't know a ton about the Broncos, except what I see hyped by ESPN & the NFL network etc. Right now, as far as I can tell, the call for a change from Plummer to Cutler, is being heavily pushed on us by the media.

SSOG, on the other hand, does seem to have a clearer picture of the Broncos. I even said as much several posts back;

Probably because the ONE person on this board who has their finger on the pulse of the Broncos better than anyone else here (except maybe Cecil) is SSOG. :shrug:
The idea behind quoting SSOG, was to show a different opinion from somebody who, to me anyway, is a knowledgeable poster on the Broncos & because I don't feel that I am. If I quote a piece from the Blogger, that has a differing perspective of a situation being discussed here on the board, am I "calling out" that publication & reporter? In fact, if you go back through various threads where others have been taking pot shots at SSOG, you'll see that I have been one of the people defending him. I thought my explanation to moleculo way back at post #5, would clear up any misinterpretation of my quote & it's use, but I guess not. Sorry about that, as this thread has gone way off on a different tangent, because of it.I also see some are bringing up SSOG's Denver RB predictions. I personally can't find fault with SSOG's early take on the Denver RB situation. SSOG told us all, over & over again, that he did not think Tatum Bell would be able to carry a heavy workload and I know he pointed to past injuries as one of the concerns.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but it seems to me that was a pretty darn accurate call by SSOG.

Where he missed was on his Ron Dayne call, but injuries that occurred to Dayne in TC's & then preseason threw that prediction off kilter. Can anybody here safely say, with 100% confidence, that if Dayne had not had the injury & had been able to perform in TC's & preseason, we would not be seeing a Denver backfield rotation similar to what SSOG predicted?

Again, I apologize for this thread being thrown off track by my quote of SSOG & the consequent misinterpretation of it's intent.

 
As a Broncos' fan, I'm conflicted about the aparent decision to go with Cutler going forward. There is a really decent chance he'll be great, but I'm not so sure its worth the risk. What if he gets hurt? What if he gets crushed by unfair expectations that have been building all year? What if he sucks? I'm afraid that a change now (which is a desperate move to attempt to make the playoffs THIS year) had the potential to negatively affect Cutler and therefore Denver's playoff aspirations for years to come.

That said, if Cutler does get the nod (and it certainly sounds like he will), I'll be extremely excited and interested to see how he handles all the various pressures of the situation hes forced into. If he comes through unscathed (or perhaps even successfully), us Denver homers have a QB for the long haul

 
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I don't think it's Cutler for good, at least. I mean maybe Shanny sees a win-able game or an "easy" stretch but he would have to be super with his decision making to keep the starting job in the playoffs. Plummer's had his share of bad games but I'd take a vet in the playoffs anyday.
Totally disagree. It's Cutlers job. Plummer has been terrrible for most of the year and Shanny realizes that they aren't going to win anything with him at QB. This past 4 game stretch was a huge measuring stick for Plummer. He was lousy the 1st half of the season but they were playing lousy teams and the team was winning. I think all would have been ok if he elevated his game in the games that they needed to win which were Indy, SD and KC. They lost 3 all of those games to possible playoff foes and two games were at home. Plummer didn't step up in any game and looked like a below average QB, missing open wr's, throwing bad picks, fumbling, etc. Shanny's not looking to back into the playoffs and lose in the 1st round, been there done that. Their season is imploding, their defense is being exposed, their running game is in shambles and their veteran QB is throwing up yawn inspiring stat lines of 15-28-200-1-1. Jake thrives on play action and the rollout and with no running game he becomes ineffective because he's not a pocket passer that can stay in there and beat you. Cutler on the other MAY be. None of us are there in the film room, on the practice field watching what this kid has, Shanny on the other hand is. It's an awful lot of pressure on Cutler to come in and save their season but they don't have a choice, they need something to spark this team because they are going down fast. I really see this situation like the Dallas situation a few weeks ago. Bledsoe was a statue back there and there was this kid that everyone was raving about in the wings. The team was going nowhere with Bledsoe and their ship was sinking fast. Fast forward a few weeks and it's Drew who? I don't expect Cutler to step in and perform like Romo but I see the situations being similar. The coach's can see what defenses are doing and how their QB's are responding and they know that they aren't giving their teams a chance to win and that the alternative can't be worse. Both Shanny and Parcells are savy enough to see their seasons are on the brink and gutsy enough to make such bold moves which is why they are some of the all time great coachs'. There's no going back they will sink or swim with Cutler.
 
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"Coach Mike Shanahan left the podium after Thursday's game when asked if he'll replace Jake Plummer with Jay Cutler at practice Monday.The Denver Post describes Shanahan's flight from the stage as "One, Mississippi. Two, Miss ... and Shanahan was gone." Cutler looks to be the pick next Sunday night versus Seattle."
Funny, I watched the press conference and when Shanny was done talking he asked if anyone had any more questions. Long pause. Then he said OK if there are no more questions... Then he got up and left. If the Post wanted to ask about Cutler, they had plenty of opportunity. Typical Post reporting. I read the Rocky.
Hey I got that from rotoworld, which gave the Denver Post as the source. Don't get all up in my grill. The quick exchange of what looks to be valid reporting is what makes this site great.
 
...and there's no way they go to Cutler and then go BACK to Plummer unless Cutler plays like Ryan Leaf. It's going to be Cutler's job the moment he gets in there until he leaves the team.

I've been waiting for the Plummer experiment in Denver to end since he got there. I remember when he left Arizona and all the fuss was about how the 'system' in Denver was perfect for Plummer's talents and that he'd be what takes them to the next level and helped them get over the Elway hangover. Um....not so much. COSTLY interceptions in BIG games are what Plummer is now known for. (which beats nose picking on national TV)

The sooner they get Cutler in there to start learning, the better. I know it was pre-season but he was throwing some insanely nice balls in August.

 
Lincicome: Plummer still Broncos' best hope of salvaging season

November 24, 2006

Over and over in the midst of Thanksgiving's long day's football into night, Jake Plummer came up, in this studio, on that sideline, in another Web site.

Quite the topic of conversation, ol' Jake the Snake. Still is.

Everyone agreed that the Kansas City game was the last game for Plummer, and opinion being the father of fact, the very least Plummer would have to do is not lose the football game, and that would postpone the problem for another week.

As we know and as Plummer has known, his days have been numbered since the draft, when Mike Shanahan connived to get Jay Cutler. By common consent it seemed, Plummer's number was up.

Otherwise a whole bunch of folks would be found to not know what they are talking about, never a real concern among the shouting classes.

Old coach Jimmy Johnson, now a pundit, proclaimed that rookie Cutler should have been the Denver quarterback long ago, even if he wouldn't know Cutler from the guy who parks his car or Plummer without his beard.

Cris Collinsworth, or maybe it was Howie Long, counseled tolerance, citing Plummer's winning percentage with the Broncos and marveling at Plummer's adroitness outside the pocket. It was a matter of using Plummer properly, putting him in the best position to succeed.

It was possible to find reasoned judgment on both sides of the question, often from the same person.

None of that has changed since Plummer confirmed the worst against the Chiefs, except the weight of annoyance has tilted the choice much more to Cutler.

The unfortunate arrangement of the visiting locker room at Arrowhead Stadium put Cutler and Plummer side by side in the aftermath of Jake's Last Stand, and so there Cutler was, fresh and helpful, facing deadline media, vowing support for Plummer while Plummer, hidden but within earshot, awaited his turn in the box.

Whatever else is thought of Plummer, that he is inadequate, often harmful, at quarterback, sympathy must go to a man who will face his duty when his coach would not, and a man who has been answering an unasked question since the first game of the season.

When would he go?

Mike Shanahan created that situation - and he would not answer the same unasked question after the game - by inventing the tension in the first place.

At one point, Plummer blurted out that the press would know the answer before he would, and while he is giving us more credit than we deserve, his anxiety is obvious. And if a decision has been made, Shanahan ought not to be waiting three days to tell Plummer.

Would Plummer be a better quarterback without the threat of Cutler, clearly the anointed heir? Plummer was better last year when the only threat was from Bradlee Van Pelt, which is like being pressured by a house pet.

Shanahan's calculation that competition is healthy for all concerned is a sound concept, but it might not have worked on Plummer, any more than it seems to have worked on Tatum Bell or on Tony Scheffler or George Foster.

All players know how fragile are both their health and their jobs, and some players welcome the energy uncertainty brings. Others succeed better with reassurance, something that was moved from Plummer to Cutler.

The argument now is that Cutler cannot be worse than Plummer and there is no way to refute that, not having seen Cutler face a real rush or decisions of consequence.

From the meager evidence of preseason and limited practice, Cutler seems to have all the tools necessary to succeed. If he does not, then Shanahan has made the biggest mistake yet as a talent evaluator and no one forgets his endorsement of Bubby Brister and Brian Griese, nor of Plummer himself.

While it seems inevitable that Cutler will start the next game against Seattle, the simple truth is that abandoning Plummer is abandoning the season.

The Broncos may be one loss from being out of the playoffs altogether, and of the schedule ahead three losses seem wholly likely no matter who the quarterback is. Only Arizona and San Francisco seem to be comfortable wins.

That brings the Broncos in at 9-7 and outside looking in. Who gives the Broncos the best chance to win those other three games, Seattle, San Diego and Cincinnati? Is it a quarterback that might need to feel he is wanted and trusted, or a rookie who is learning with each new snap of the ball?

As long as the season is savable, the choice should be Plummer. Otherwise, the Broncos might as well just play the rest of the way waving a white flag.
 
...and there's no way they go to Cutler and then go BACK to Plummer unless Cutler plays like Ryan Leaf. It's going to be Cutler's job the moment he gets in there until he leaves the team. I've been waiting for the Plummer experiment in Denver to end since he got there. I remember when he left Arizona and all the fuss was about how the 'system' in Denver was perfect for Plummer's talents and that he'd be what takes them to the next level and helped them get over the Elway hangover. Um....not so much. COSTLY interceptions in BIG games are what Plummer is now known for. (which beats nose picking on national TV)The sooner they get Cutler in there to start learning, the better. I know it was pre-season but he was throwing some insanely nice balls in August.
truth be told, Plummer did get them over the hump. With Plummer at the help, Denver won it's first division title since Elway retired, not to mention hosted and won the first playoff game since the SB years, leading the Broncos to the AFC CG. Plummer was much better than Griese, it's simply becoming apparent that he isn't versatile to get over the NEXT hump, which is actually making it to the SB.Although, I'm not sure Denver is over the Elway hangover yet. It seems to me like Miami has gotten over Marino much faster than Denver got over Elway - I suppose those 2 SB wins has something to do with that.
 
I watch most of the Bronco games but have no other insight into the team. As to Plummer sucking, if y9ou want the stats, the key ones are:

55.5% passing completion - lowest as a Bronco

12 interceptions, 11 TDs - first time he has thrown more ints than tds as a Bronco

If you watch Jake, you see the old Arizona guy - trying to take too much unto himself, forcing balls, making some very bad throws. Just look at how "well-placed" that interception was on Thanksgiving. It was well behind Alexander. No chance of a completion. Too many of his passes that game and in the games past were too far off the mark. 12 ints = making bad decisions.

I think the reason is the lack of a running game. Maybe Shanny believed the media hype that it was the system, not the RB that made the running game go. Well, guess what? Maybe Davis and Portis and Anderson were better than the media gave them credit for. Maybe Mike Bell and Nash really do suck and maybe all Tatum Bell will ever be is a change of pace guy. So just maybe Plummer thinks everything is on his shoulders again - just like in Arizona.

I think that Denver stands a good chance of losing the next two games with Plummer at the helm. If they make a change now, they may lose anyway, but there comes a time when you have to try to fix something that is broken.

Time has come today. Can't put it off another day.

 
I said the same thing back in August that SSOG said...feel free to do a search with my user name and Cutler as a key word. Bump up one of my posts and call me out directly, if you like. But, in doing so, you will only demonstrate yourself to be a vindictive tool. If you didn't have anything to say on the topic back then, then you are a tool of the highest order.

SSOG and I maintained at that time that Cutler would not play in 2006. That was the 100% correct opinion based on all evidence at that time. Anyone who said otherwise was purely guessing. This is by far Jake's worse year as a Bronco QB - there is no way anyone could have predicted that - all indications pointed to Jake having a better season in 2006 than in 2005. Was I wrong? Definately, and I don't know why - I don't think there was anything that we missed in pre-season which could have led one to the conclusion that his play would deteriorate as much as it has. If you can find me the scrap of evidence pointing to this collapse, I'll be happy to salute you.

One other thing to bring up: a search of key word = "cutler", user = "Moleculo", searching posts 60 days and older yields 10 threads. user = "SSOG" yields 34 threads. user = "Big Score" yields on thread, and in that one thread Big Score was talking about Aaron Rogers.
I like the "100% correct opinion" part best. Last I checked, your "evidence" might not have accounted for all relevant factors (e.g., Jake Plummer sucks), whereas those of us who thought Cutler would get some PT this year were clearly looking at a different set of evidence. And, now it appears that your opinion was 0% correct, and ours was 100% correct.This is getting funny now.
evidence <> opinion. I'm looking for direct quotes from people on staff at Denver. "Plummer sucks" is an opinion. Tell me what this opinion is based on, and restrict your arguement to Jakes stats with the Broncos, pre-season performance, direct quotes from Broncos and/or coaching staff, and first hand reports from writers at training camp.Maybe you are ok with pure guessing for your pre-season predicitons and holding onto your pre-concieved biases, I'm not.
Wrong. Jake Plummer sucks is a well established fact that corroborated by volumes of statistics that you apparently ignore because nobody in the Bronco's camp (or SSOG, for that matter) told you to think this way. No way anybody could have predicted this? You're not paying attention if you really think this.
 
Don't forget we have a lurker named Schefter......He is pretty good too.
Really? Is this confirmed?
! confirmed he has a board membership a long time ago.How much time he spends here is unknown.
I would bet a pretty good amount. I can't think of a major story that has not hit this board within 15-20 minutes (sometimes quicker) of it happening. Also, there is plenty of gossip and rumors for him to verify or not.
 
The idea behind quoting SSOG, was to show a different opinion from somebody who, to me anyway, is a knowledgeable poster on the Broncos & because I don't feel that I am.

Again, I apologize for this thread being thrown off track by my quote of SSOG & the consequent misinterpretation of it's intent.
gotcha - that sounds reasonable.As my friend Sasha often says, big up yahself, respek.

Just keep in mind, SSOG knows a TON about the broncos, he generally has good insight into what its going on with the team, and he has good analysis, but he does NOT have any sources inside the organization.

In short, if Schefter says it, I trust that way more than SSOG's opinion.

 

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