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Redskins Likely to Release Coles

Gibbs, Snyder Agree to Unhappy Wide Receiver's Request to Leave Team

By Nunyo Demasio

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, February 21, 2005; Page D01

Washington Redskins wide receiver Laveranues Coles has had at least two extensive conversations with Coach Joe Gibbs since the season ended which are expected to lead to his release from the team, according to sources familiar with the situation.

Sources confirmed last night that Gibbs, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and Roosevelt Barnes, the agent for Coles, have reached an oral agreement that will likely lead to his release, making the 27-year-old wideout an unrestricted free agent.

Upset with the Redskins' offensive philosophy and lack of a deep passing game, the team is prepared to grant wideout Laveranues Coles's request to be released, team sources said Sunday. (Tony Dejak - AP)

Coles met privately with Gibbs at Redskins Park to express his unhappiness with the offense and a desire to leave the club.

Gibbs has acknowledged meeting twice with Coles, including earlier this month, but he turned reticent and cryptic when asked about the possibility of Coles's departure.

"We had a couple of good talks. That's the only statement I want to make," Gibbs said earlier this week. "Me and Laveranues talked, and we have a good understanding."

Coles caught a career-best 90 passes last season, the third-most in franchise history behind Art Monk. Yet the five-year veteran became frustrated by the lack of a deep passing game. The Redskins finished with the 30th-ranked offense in the league last season, and Gibbs's ball-control philosophy coupled with a 6-10 record made Coles miserable, said one person with knowledge of the situation.

Gibbs, who also serves as team president, intends to accommodate Coles's request instead of keeping a player who prefers to be elsewhere, said two other sources who requested anonymity.

Should Coles be released, one source said, he would return part of his $13 million signing bonus to minimize salary cap ramifications. Tomorrow is the first day that NFL teams are allowed to waive players.

Sources said that late this past season Coles requested a trade after meeting with Snyder and Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato, since they were the two most responsible for acquiring him in 2003. But after discussions with Gibbs, a collective decision was made to likely waive Coles.

Coles, who has changed his cell phone number, could not be reached for comment. Barnes didn't return several calls last week to his Roanoke, Indiana office. Snyder, through spokesperson Karl Swanson, referred questions to Gibbs. Reached last night, Cerrato declined to comment.

The Redskins signed Coles as a restricted free agent from the New York Jets to a seven-year, $35 million deal. At the time, the $13 signing bonus was the richest in Redskins history, forcing the Jets to settle for Washington's first-round pick (No. 13 overall) instead of matching it. The Redskins had envisioned the 5-foot-11, 193-pound Coles using his combination of speed and quickness to stretch the field, allowing Rod Gardner to exploit single coverage. In Steve Spurrier's pass-happy offense, Coles responded with 82 catches for 1,204 and six touchdowns. He also made the Pro Bowl.

Add another WR to the Free Agency pool.

 
This is curious. Why wouldn't Washington and Coles mutually agree to keep the unhappiness quiet, and get a list of teams for whom Coles would like to play? I'm sure many teams would kill to add him to their WR corp. I can't believe that the Skins would acquiesce with Coles' request without getting anything in return for an asset like him.

 
Amazing. They're trying to get rid of Gardner too. Who's going to start at WR for them next year? Moose and Taylor Jacobs?!

 
It seems strange both Coles and Gardiner want out of Washington. Or did Gardiner change his mind? I just can’t see them letting Coles go without some sort of contingency plan. Does anyone besides me think that they must have a deal lined up with some other FA or soon to be FA?

 
It seems strange both Coles and Gardiner want out of Washington. Or did Gardiner change his mind? I just can’t see them letting Coles go without some sort of contingency plan. Does anyone besides me think that they must have a deal lined up with some other FA or soon to be FA?
they could get in serious trouble with the league if that is the case.but, there are going to be enough quality FA WRs this year that I'm sure Danny-boy will be able to wind up with at least 1 of them.This is crazy and a very surprising story.
 
This is crazy and a very surprising story.
I have to say, what's happened in Washington since Snyder took over is tragic-comic, with a whole lot of comedy for observers as well as tragedy for Skins fans. I mean only he could take a semi-divine, universally-worshipped figure in recent Redskins history - ie Joe Gibbs - and manage to mess up his return so much that he's in danger of tarnishing his legacy.
 
It seems strange both Coles and Gardiner want out of Washington. Or did Gardiner change his mind?
Gardner never said he wanted out. Gibbs is the one who wanted to release him because he didn't fit the offense well. Coles is getting exactly what that punk ### deserves.
 
The Redkins are going to suck forevor. Not because they're releasing Coles, but because he's another example of a free-agent they gave a ton of money and never got what they paid for. They actually gave up a first round pick to get this guy, on top of giving him a $13 million dollar signing bonus. You better be getting Randy Moss for that kind of a deal. Now the Redskins are going to repeat their mistake and dramatically overpay for Moose, a wide receiver who had one great year and was more the product of an offense than a guy like Owens who could come in and dramatically improve an offense. They'll give him a big bonus and cut him in two years. Snyder's a moron. I feel bad for Redskins fans, they're like the New York Knicks and the New York Mets. So many big name moves in the offseason that don't lead to wins and make things worse in the long run.

 
1200 yards wasn't exactly a bad season.If he wasn't so short, I'd say he's now the premier WR in the FA market. I love to watch him play. I remember that first TD catch of his that was tipped and just fell into his hands. I don't know why really but I've got issues with his height as "my team's " #1. That friggin guy can play though.Of all the Redskins signing's over the years, it just sounds weird that you would complain about him.

 
I wonder what Gibbs is up to. He's no dope and he's got plenty of Snyder's money to play with. You know the guy's got a plan it's just....hmmmm I wonder.As for WRs leaving:It's a job, your paid to do a job and all that stuff aside, I'd hate to play WR for a team with a junky QB year in year out. Gardner strikes me as the kind of guy that would benefit from a change of scenery. He needs it IMO.

 
I keep reading Jonas Jennings mentioned the last couple days. The Walter Jones contract article at Washington Post mentioned Chris Samuels. He was "the greatest"a year or two ago but they don't seem so high on him anymore. I wonder if Washington won't just replace him with Jennings. Williams is the one that loved Jennings and moved him around the OL in Buffalo isn't he?

 
They have to sign a vet or get Moss if this happens. They can not rebuild under Gibbs. No time and too much money being tossed around.

 
Explains their interest in Muhammad at the least.Where does Coles end up? If he wants a deep passing game, he'd be an awesome addition to the KC offense opposite Morton. Dallas would also be a great fit, as Dallas really needs and wants a primary option.
I think if this happens, there is real good chance that he ends up in Jacksonville. He is from Jax and they are looking to add a receiver.
 
This is curious. Why wouldn't Washington and Coles mutually agree to keep the unhappiness quiet, and get a list of teams for whom Coles would like to play? I'm sure many teams would kill to add him to their WR corp. I can't believe that the Skins would acquiesce with Coles' request without getting anything in return for an asset like him.
As noted in the article, hes returning part of his signing bonus(one would assume the pro-rated portion that has not played out).If they trade him, they take a massive cap hit from the bonus being pro-rated out.Both sides get what they want. Coles gets out, Skins get no cap trouble.
Actually no, there really is no reason for the Redskins not to try and trade him first. Even if he gives part of his signing bonus back to the Redskins, it still all counts against the cap. No cap relief in it.Any signing bonus immediately is prorated against the cap when the deal is signed, even if it is paid out in several payments. Like Randy Moss. I'm pretty sure his SB was paid out in two payments of $9 million, but the $18 million was prorated over the entire contract.
 
Now the Redskins are going to repeat their mistake and dramatically overpay for Moose, a wide receiver who had one great year and was more the product of an offense than a guy like Owens who could come in and dramatically improve an offense.
I have always thought Moose was a class act and definitely a valuable asset to an offense.Really would like to see him stay in Carolina. :( But if they're looking for him to entirely carry the team based on last season's numbers they're just looking for more lightning in a bottle. I'd more expect numbers along the lines of 1998-2000, not from a season when the team was in desperation mode and putting out fires from all the injuries.
 
I would like to see Coles end up in Dallas. Coles would be a great deep thread for Bledsoe if Dallas chooses to go that route.Plus, if they acquired Coles, they wouldn't have to use one of their NO.1 draft picks on WR, and could use them on defense where they need it.

 
The Redskins are going nowhere fast.Bad contracts for over-rated players.At least they're keeping the same defensive coordinator for subsequent years for the first time under Snyder. That's got to count for a couple of extra victories.... D'oh! I forgot, they're going to lose one of their starting CBs.....

 
Given the incestuous relationship between the two franchises, I can't believe that nobody has brought up the Eagles (see Kalu, Thrash-2X, Trotter-2x, BMitchell).Sure, he's smaller than Muhammad, but he's considerably younger also.

 
As a Jets fan, I can't help but laugh at little Snyderbrenner. So much was made out of the Skins' signing of the four Jets players. I remember the reference on national tv that the Jets were raped (nice analogy). So, Coles should be gone. Morton hasn't done anything. Hall was hurt. Thomas to me was always overrated and the Skins line has been terrible even with his signing.Spurrier was a joke. Then Gibbs was supposed to turn it around.It doesn't matter how much cheating and tampering Napolean does, the Skins still suck. It serves that little jerk right.

 
I would like to see Coles end up in Dallas. Coles would be a great deep thread for Bledsoe if Dallas chooses to go that route.Plus, if they acquired Coles, they wouldn't have to use one of their NO.1 draft picks on WR, and could use them on defense where they need it.
Didn't they HAVE 2 good good deep threats in Galloway and Bryant?
 
It seems strange both Coles and Gardiner want out of Washington. Or did Gardiner change his mind? I just can’t see them letting Coles go without some sort of contingency plan. Does anyone besides me think that they must have a deal lined up with some other FA or soon to be FA?
they could get in serious trouble with the league if that is the case.but, there are going to be enough quality FA WRs this year that I'm sure Danny-boy will be able to wind up with at least 1 of them.This is crazy and a very surprising story.
Something just doesn't add up here.. Coles certainly hasn't lived up to his massive contract and expectations, but he's also played hurt and been fairly productive doing so. It just doesn't make sense. He's basically in his prime and the Redskins think they can dump him and get better with an older WR with a history of injuries (Moose)? I don't get it.I can only think if they do this then Mike Williams won't get past them on draft day - whether they need to move up to get him, etc. That can't help Portis' cause any as Coles was by far their best deep threat (even though we saw far too little of that from him this year, but I gotta believe that's more by design than any fault of Coles).
 
wow... plax, muhamad, mason, and now colesthat's some serious firepower on the market
Memo to Arthur Blank... Prepare to wine, dine and schmooze said FAs in waiting. Adding Lavarenues Coles or Derrick Mason to the Falcons mix would help everyone involved especially Peerless "I can't toe the line myself" Price.
 
Now the Redskins are going to repeat their mistake and dramatically overpay for Moose, a wide receiver who had one great year and was more the product of an offense than a guy like Owens who could come in and dramatically improve an offense.
I have always thought Moose was a class act and definitely a valuable asset to an offense.Really would like to see him stay in Carolina. :( But if they're looking for him to entirely carry the team based on last season's numbers they're just looking for more lightning in a bottle. I'd more expect numbers along the lines of 1998-2000, not from a season when the team was in desperation mode and putting out fires from all the injuries.
Moose is a class act.. a good guy and he had a whale of a season, but counting on him re-enacting 2004 from here on out might be a fishing trip - and an expensive one at that.. I hope he goes strong for a few more years, but I'd be wary of throwing a ton of cash at him considering his age and the likelihood that his numbers will be on the decline if not this year then fairly soon.
 
This is a very big hit for the Redskins, there's no way around that. Coles did everything they asked of him without complaining, played hurt, caught 90 passes in a crappy passing offense. This hurts them, possibly badly.

 
It seems strange both Coles and Gardiner want out of Washington.  Or did Gardiner change his mind? I just can’t see them letting Coles go without some sort of contingency plan.  Does anyone besides me think that they must have a deal lined up with some other FA or soon to be FA?
they could get in serious trouble with the league if that is the case.but, there are going to be enough quality FA WRs this year that I'm sure Danny-boy will be able to wind up with at least 1 of them.This is crazy and a very surprising story.
Something just doesn't add up here.. Coles certainly hasn't lived up to his massive contract and expectations, but he's also played hurt and been fairly productive doing so. It just doesn't make sense. He's basically in his prime and the Redskins think they can dump him and get better with an older WR with a history of injuries (Moose)? I don't get it.I can only think if they do this then Mike Williams won't get past them on draft day - whether they need to move up to get him, etc. That can't help Portis' cause any as Coles was by far their best deep threat (even though we saw far too little of that from him this year, but I gotta believe that's more by design than any fault of Coles).
Coles is damaged goods.He refuses to take care of his foot problem, and until he does, he's not going to be the same guy the Skins paid for.If you listened to Gibbs much last year, he indirectly hinted all year that he believed his receivers were THE problem on his offense. He'd go out of his way to protect Brunell, Ramsey and the line, but he never really defended the receivers. And I certainly saw enough games to somewhat concur. They didn't get open.When Coles came to the Skins, he was terrific route-runner in those first few games. His cuts were incredibly sharp, but he wasn't been able to do that for over 20 games now. He's still gutsy. He was still the best they had, but he wasn't the guy they were paying for.And unless he gets surgery and takes the time to recover properly, he doesn't deserve to be one of the "elite" WR FAs available.Snyder is going to deserve every criticism until he quits overspending on players and builds a team with depth. That's fair. But I've got no problem getting rid of Coles.
 
I would like to see Coles end up in Dallas. Coles would be a great deep thread for Bledsoe if Dallas chooses to go that route.Plus, if they acquired Coles, they wouldn't have to use one of their NO.1 draft picks on WR, and could use them on defense where they need it.
Ouch.. I'm not a fan of either team, but that would be like a double poison pill for the Skins fans to swallow. Seeing their best WR leave without compensation only to go bolster the Cowboys WR corps. Way to go Skins..Note to self: Lay off the double-bag Starbucks.. 3 posts in 5 minutes.. phew..
 
Coles is damaged goods.He refuses to take care of his foot problem, and until he does, he's not going to be the same guy the Skins paid for.If you listened to Gibbs much last year, he indirectly hinted all year that he believed his receivers were THE problem on his offense. He'd go out of his way to protect Brunell, Ramsey and the line, but he never really defended the receivers. And I certainly saw enough games to somewhat concur. They didn't get open.When Coles came to the Skins, he was terrific route-runner in those first few games. His cuts were incredibly sharp, but he wasn't been able to do that for over 20 games now. He's still gutsy. He was still the best they had, but he wasn't the guy they were paying for.And unless he gets surgery and takes the time to recover properly, he doesn't deserve to be one of the "elite" WR FAs available.Snyder is going to deserve every criticism until he quits overspending on players and builds a team with depth. That's fair. But I've got no problem getting rid of Coles.
You could be right Scoob.. I know his foot/toe problem has gone on for much longer than anyone would like to see, but that sorta thing should work itself out unless, of course, you are dead on about him not getting it taken care of properly.Do you have any links or otherwise that discusses that situation? IF... he could get it straightened out there's no question Coles brings a lot to the table, but if there is any one reason why Coles would be gone that's probably it.
 
I am bumping up Portis if this goes through.
I see no rationale for this statement.,.Portis' production suffered greatly due to the Skins lack of complimentary offensive weapons. So now they get rid of their 2nd best offensive weapon -- all things equal, Portis' stock drops
 
Wow ... didnt see this coming. My guess is that all these releases around the league are team FO's learning the right way to do cap management.Im not sure if Coles and TO could live on the same team, but boy would Coles be a great fit on the Eagles. At 27, he is still youthfull and with his last season of mediocracy, as well as his huge contract to bring him into Washington, he should come cheaper than Mushin and Mason.

 
Coles is damaged goods.He refuses to take care of his foot problem, and until he does, he's not going to be the same guy the Skins paid for.If you listened to Gibbs much last year, he indirectly hinted all year that he believed his receivers were THE problem on his offense. He'd go out of his way to protect Brunell, Ramsey and the line, but he never really defended the receivers. And I certainly saw enough games to somewhat concur. They didn't get open.When Coles came to the Skins, he was terrific route-runner in those first few games. His cuts were incredibly sharp, but he wasn't been able to do that for over 20 games now. He's still gutsy. He was still the best they had, but he wasn't the guy they were paying for.And unless he gets surgery and takes the time to recover properly, he doesn't deserve to be one of the "elite" WR FAs available.Snyder is going to deserve every criticism until he quits overspending on players and builds a team with depth. That's fair. But I've got no problem getting rid of Coles.
You could be right Scoob.. I know his foot/toe problem has gone on for much longer than anyone would like to see, but that sorta thing should work itself out unless, of course, you are dead on about him not getting it taken care of properly.Do you have any links or otherwise that discusses that situation? IF... he could get it straightened out there's no question Coles brings a lot to the table, but if there is any one reason why Coles would be gone that's probably it.
Coles is damaged goods. And Coles' injury may never heal. It did not heal all off season last year. Coles will not do surgury since if it is unsuccessful, it could be career-ending. It is very painful and Coles ability to play right now is based on his pain tolerance. If it gets worse, he could end up playing very little.Coles may not have much trade value, depending on his contract. Most teams may be wary of signing Coles due to his toe injury.
 
Amazing. They're trying to get rid of Gardner too. Who's going to start at WR for them next year? Moose and Taylor Jacobs?!
Why does everyone think the Redskins are going after Muhamad? Does Muhamad has connections with Gibbs? Gibbs pretty much ruled Muhamad out during his radio show.I actually think Derrick Mason could be the guy for the Redskins. The Redskins don't have a lot of salary cap space to sign players this year.
 
Why does everyone think the Redskins are going after Muhamad? Does Muhamad has connections with Gibbs? Gibbs pretty much ruled Muhamad out during his radio show.I actually think Derrick Mason could be the guy for the Redskins. The Redskins don't have a lot of salary cap space to sign players this year.
I don't. Other teams are in far better position for Moose. I think the Skins may target someone like Porter or Houshmanzadeh.Possibly Mason if he's odd man out and his price is right.
 
I would like to see Coles end up in Dallas. Coles would be a great deep thread for Bledsoe if Dallas chooses to go that route.Plus, if they acquired Coles, they wouldn't have to use one of their NO.1 draft picks on WR, and could use them on defense where they need it.
Interesting thought (to me, anyway)... They could have Vinnie, Coles, and Keyshawn...maybe they'll go after Lamont Jordan and it will be Parcells coaching the Jets again! "We're gettin' the band back together." :D
 
As a Cowboys fan....YES! I love the Redskins shooting themsleves in the foot every single year!You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried! :no: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 
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