Traders2001
Footballguy
He has blazing speed great hands and is a competitor , that would be a hell of a weapon for Michael Vick ( finally ).
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Coles unsure if he will be with Jets next season. (1 Viewer)
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Coles will be a Jet for the foreseeable future. He's their best offensive player.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
... and that's not saying a whole lot.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Coles definitely isn't towing the line with Mangini like the rest of the team; so if his recent complaints about training camp continue he can force their hand.
Ultimately I would like to think Coles is just grousing right now and will get in line, but he could easily raise the volume on his comments and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Mangini and Mad Mike Tanenbaum trade him away.
Ultimately I would like to think Coles is just grousing right now and will get in line, but he could easily raise the volume on his comments and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Mangini and Mad Mike Tanenbaum trade him away.
lord_helmet
Footballguy
I think its safe to say he isn't going to New England 
diesel7982
Footballguy
T Man
Footballguy
SOunds like he doesn't like to put in the time and hard work..
He had a good season, and his value is high -- especially considering the weak WR market.
I could see Mangini and crew telling him that they think he is worth a #1, and then let his agent do some work to see if they can get a #1.
The process either gets the Jets a #1 or humbles Coles.
In the end, I think he is a JET for the considerable future. In the words of Pete Carroll "I fully expect " him to be a JET.
He had a good season, and his value is high -- especially considering the weak WR market.
I could see Mangini and crew telling him that they think he is worth a #1, and then let his agent do some work to see if they can get a #1.
The process either gets the Jets a #1 or humbles Coles.
In the end, I think he is a JET for the considerable future. In the words of Pete Carroll "I fully expect " him to be a JET.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
He HAD blazing speed, he HAS decent speed.
would be a nice fit in Atlanta, though :hoping:BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Atlanta needs to fix their QB position first.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
I have a GREAT idea! Coles to Washington for Santana Moss!How's that for originality?
diesel7982
Footballguy
Exactly.Can't expect WRs to catch when you have the 2nd best RB on the team throwing the ball.Atlanta needs to fix their QB position first.
CalBear
Footballguy
Yeah, his picture would fit right in next to Peerless Price and Ashley Lelie's on the Atlanta WR milk carton.He HAD blazing speed, he HAS decent speed.
would be a nice fit in Atlanta, though :hoping:
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Coles isn't a "Mangini type player." He doesn't practice that hard and can be a distraction at times.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Coles is one of Mangini's favorite players, and Mangini often singles Coles out for his toughness and work ethic. I can't think of when Coles has ever been a distraction to the team.
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pigskin pimp
Footballguy
Coles in Atlanta = Pierless Price in Buffalo
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
Coles in Atlanta = Pierless Price in Buffalo
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Chase, I have absolutely no idea why you're so adament about this. Me, TMan, and Jason Wood have all said similar things- do you think that we all just got together and decided to start spreading rumors about Coles? Theres absolutely no reason that I'd badmouth him for no reason as....1. I like him since hes a former Redskin2. I kinda root a bit for the Jets as they were my surprise pick this year, and I like their underdog mentality3. I live in NY and root for them a bit due to that(I would never call myself a "fan" but I was definitely hoping they'd beat the Pats for example)Living in NY, I listen to a lot of local sports talk radio, and I have heard from multiple sources that Coles and Mangini have clashed. The gist of it all is that Mangini runs a really hard practices, and Coles being an older veteran player would rather have easier practices as long as he gets it done on game day. Coles has been vocal about this, and Mangini has not responded well to it.Again, I HAVE NO REASON TO SIMPLY MAKE THIS UP AND I'M NOW THE THIRD PERSON TO SAY IT IN THIS VERY THREAD.Coles is one of Mangini's favorite players, and Mangini often singles Coles out for his toughness and work ethic. I can't think of when Coles has ever been a distraction to the team.
Rovers
Footballguy
Yes, Coles did some complaining this year, especially in training camp. He piped up again rather early in the season, but hasn't said a word for at least a couple of months. Mangini has singled him out on many occassions as a guy he really likes. His team mates voted him this years team MVP.
Coles has always been a guy that will complain. Nothing new there. Mangini isn't stupid, in case anyone hasn't figured that out yet. He knows that the team looks up to him, loves his toughness on the football field and also knows what a valuable commodity he is to the team. Coles is the one player that Mangini will give some leeway to in this area. It's not like it was ever a big distraction either.
I think Coles stopped complaining because he saw how well Mangini's tough program worked. The Jets had very few injuries and didn't tire during games, as opposed to the results of Edwards' "Camp Marshmellow". There was bound to be at least some complaining given the changes Mangini implemented.
Mangini got rid of the two biggest whiners on the team, Mawae and Abraham. He knew Coles could make some noise on occassion as well, but he kept him, right? He'll keep him again. Yes, I think those that are mongering this rumor are borderline fishing. There aren't any solid reasons to believe Coles will go anywhere.
If other players had followed Coles' example, and also began to complain, then there would be reason to think Mangini might trade him, but that never happened. In fact, as the season wore on, players talked about how the tough TC helped them during the season. They bought in. Even during TC, the players were into the competitive nature of Mangini's camp. At the end of one two a day I went to, after over 6 hours out in the brutal heat, Mangini had the offense line up at the two yard line. If the offense could score, practice was over. The defense stopped them four times, hooting and hollering the whole time. They then played another ten minutes of 11 on 11.
Coles wan't a distraction. The press tried to make a big deal of it, but it wasn't a big deal at all.
PS: The topic starter says "Coles Unsure".... where exactly did that come from? link?
Coles has always been a guy that will complain. Nothing new there. Mangini isn't stupid, in case anyone hasn't figured that out yet. He knows that the team looks up to him, loves his toughness on the football field and also knows what a valuable commodity he is to the team. Coles is the one player that Mangini will give some leeway to in this area. It's not like it was ever a big distraction either.
I think Coles stopped complaining because he saw how well Mangini's tough program worked. The Jets had very few injuries and didn't tire during games, as opposed to the results of Edwards' "Camp Marshmellow". There was bound to be at least some complaining given the changes Mangini implemented.
Mangini got rid of the two biggest whiners on the team, Mawae and Abraham. He knew Coles could make some noise on occassion as well, but he kept him, right? He'll keep him again. Yes, I think those that are mongering this rumor are borderline fishing. There aren't any solid reasons to believe Coles will go anywhere.
If other players had followed Coles' example, and also began to complain, then there would be reason to think Mangini might trade him, but that never happened. In fact, as the season wore on, players talked about how the tough TC helped them during the season. They bought in. Even during TC, the players were into the competitive nature of Mangini's camp. At the end of one two a day I went to, after over 6 hours out in the brutal heat, Mangini had the offense line up at the two yard line. If the offense could score, practice was over. The defense stopped them four times, hooting and hollering the whole time. They then played another ten minutes of 11 on 11.
Coles wan't a distraction. The press tried to make a big deal of it, but it wasn't a big deal at all.
PS: The topic starter says "Coles Unsure".... where exactly did that come from? link?
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obxlegends
Footballguy
Jets | Coles unsure where he stands with teamPublished Tue Jan 9 11:53:00 a.m. ET 2007(KFFL) Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets WR Laveranues Coles is unsure if he will be with the team next season. "This was the hardest season I've ever endured in my whole career, period," Coles said. "Maybe I'll feel a lot better in a couple of weeks. I don't know what (Mangini) has in store for us. I'm sure he'll get the chance to put his stamp on the team and bring his guys in, so we'll see what all happens this off-season."
Traders2001
Footballguy
Atlanta needs to fix their QB position first.
SInce when is nt it fixed ( Hello Schaub is a back up , he has proven nothing since he is in the NFL )
JaxBill
Footballguy
FWIW, COles just built a huge house in suburban Jacksonville.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...s_5736109.shtml
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...s_5736109.shtml
sheerterror
Footballguy
Maybe because he's from there...?
Rovers
Footballguy
This is an excerpt from an article in the NY Times January 9....
The 2007 training camp may be a speck on the horizon but it is already looming large in the mind of Laveranues Coles, who led the team in receptions (91) in the regular season while battling injuries to his calf, wrist, back, jaw and head.
“I thought about that all year,” he said. “Like man, will I be able to make it through another one of these camps? I guess we’ll see.”
As merciless as Mangini could be, his methods received an unsolicited endorsement Monday from running back Curtis Martin, a probable Hall of Famer.
Martin, who did not play in what would have been his 12th season after having a knee injury that was slow to heal, said: “He made a huge difference, especially the mentality that was here before he came. The thing that I was most impressed with about him is he stuck to his guns even when a lot of us didn’t agree with the way things were changing so rapidly. But it was that change that got us this far.”
He added: “Not to speak against any other coaches, but the Jets got the best coach that was out there. If I owned a team, Eric would be my head coach.”
So, these comments are to mean Coles thinks he'll get traded?
Vilma also said on local radio that he's dreading training camp too. Does that mean Vilma will get traded too? Very few players actually like TC. Nuthin new there. Mangini runs a tougher camp than most. I would expect some grumbling. Nothing to see here, move along....
The 2007 training camp may be a speck on the horizon but it is already looming large in the mind of Laveranues Coles, who led the team in receptions (91) in the regular season while battling injuries to his calf, wrist, back, jaw and head.
“I thought about that all year,” he said. “Like man, will I be able to make it through another one of these camps? I guess we’ll see.”
As merciless as Mangini could be, his methods received an unsolicited endorsement Monday from running back Curtis Martin, a probable Hall of Famer.
Martin, who did not play in what would have been his 12th season after having a knee injury that was slow to heal, said: “He made a huge difference, especially the mentality that was here before he came. The thing that I was most impressed with about him is he stuck to his guns even when a lot of us didn’t agree with the way things were changing so rapidly. But it was that change that got us this far.”
He added: “Not to speak against any other coaches, but the Jets got the best coach that was out there. If I owned a team, Eric would be my head coach.”
So, these comments are to mean Coles thinks he'll get traded? Vilma also said on local radio that he's dreading training camp too. Does that mean Vilma will get traded too? Very few players actually like TC. Nuthin new there. Mangini runs a tougher camp than most. I would expect some grumbling. Nothing to see here, move along....
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Reaper
Footballguy
Yes
"A Story" about a player who says something negative about an NFL training camp = Player wants a new team (with Easy Training Camp) In perspective, I think the Jets brass knows this kind of toungue in cheek whining is NOTHING when it comes to top NFL wr's.
Warpig
Footballguy
This is up for debate. Cotchery was making a push to become the #1 WR. They both put up nice numbers.I wonder if the fact that Cotchery has stepped up added to Coles's "venting".
Reaper
Footballguy
I don't think Coles is like that at all.... I think Coles is a very humbled man from what he's been through and is enjoying working with Cotchery.....This is up for debate. Cotchery was making a push to become the #1 WR. They both put up nice numbers.I wonder if the fact that Cotchery has stepped up added to Coles's "venting".
"I can't wait until Jerricho's time comes to get his shine on and people recognize him as one of the best receivers in the league," Coles said.
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Reaper
Footballguy
On a team with few playmakers I can't see the Jets giving up either of these guys and again, I think the whole Coles thing is way overblown.......I think the Jets go with Leon, Houston and then a cheaper 3rd option while bolstering the OL...Tannenbaum was on the radio last night talking about the team's core beliefs in building from the draft and keeping their own players as opposed to Massive Free Agent spending and trading.Maybe they get a cheap FA RB or draft one.
Banger
Footballguy
I agree that Coles will probably be on the team and it's total speculation and I was just adding mine. The 3 headed monster wasn't very effective this year and while those guys are "decent" I don't see the Jets taking the next step without the threat of a running game. They were servicable and the Jets used them to the best of their ability but I would be surprised if they didn't do something more significant to solidify their RB situation. I read a similar thing about the Jets this morning (building via draft, etc.) and then in the next line it said that there was strong indications that they would go after A. Samuels after the season.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I for one would be interested to see him play for ATL. I would like to see how Vick could develop if he had a good WR to throw to for the first time in his career. There's an argument to be made that Coles would be the first NFL caliber WR in ATL to play with Vick.
Banger
Footballguy
I may be in the minority but I don't think it will make that big a difference. Somehow the few times I've seen Schaub throw he seems to hit the wr's and the passing offense looks much better. Yes Vick's wr's are not great but I think Vick is as much to blame as his wr's.
Boston
Footballguy
One thing to remember about Mangini. He coached a team that won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith. The second one came after an offseason where every expert in the world felt the Pats would address the RB position and they didn't. Now, that doesn't mean the Jets won't upgrade here because that could happen. Yet, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't make a major move here as well because this team does have other areas to upgrade.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
0% chance the Jets deal Cotchery. Only chance is Coles if he gets fed up with working hard - but he is also quoted as saying Chad is his man and he'll follow him for the long haul so I doubt he goes. Can see the JEts mdangling the skins 2nd rder for Turner first then offering their 1st rder as a best offer. Not sold that SD would take that.
Reaper
Footballguy
I completely disagree - The 3 Headed monster was Totally effective this season - How else do you rebuild an OL on the fly, install a new intricate Offensive system with a QB coming off two major surguries that limits what the opposing defense needs to cover, and make the playoffs all without an All World Defense?The Offensive line is still a baby - add some beef on the right side and now see what Washington can do in year 2... What Chad or Clemens can do..... What Cedric Houston can do.I see them Staying with what they have - Adding experience from another year and some cheaper depth at both WR and RB and OL....
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Volleydog
Footballguy
Before we all start trading Coles to every team in the league, don't forget the contract/salary cap issue that accompanies him.
He had a $10,000,000 cap number for 2006.
He is signed through 2009 (3 more seasons). Any team picking him up will probably have to do the usual contract re-negotiation and extend him beyond that.
His base salary for 2007 is $4,000,000, with an additional $2.75M tacked on from the signing bonus, for a total $6.75M cap hit this year.
The contract is still hefty through it's termination. His base salary climbs to $5M in '08, and $6M in '09, plus the same $2.75M bonus addition in both years.
If you'd like to verify, go here: http://www.wissearch.net/Jets/Default.aspx.
This is not an easy contract to move, as it would also cause an accelerated cap hit to the Jets if they were to move him this offseason. Having said that, the Jets are in the right place if this is a move they want to make. At present, they project to roughly $26M under the 2007 cap. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/487262p-410259c.html
Is it possible? Sure. But they need to find a team with WR needs, that has extra cap room, AND that can send adequate compensation back to the Jets.
Finally, it's not like he's a TO cancer and would be addition by subtraction. Even if it's true he's not a "Mangini guy", he's still their best offensive player (as mentioned by Chase). They just went a surprising 10-6. They do NOT want to backslide in Year 2, so they can't afford to let him go for nothing.
He had a $10,000,000 cap number for 2006.
He is signed through 2009 (3 more seasons). Any team picking him up will probably have to do the usual contract re-negotiation and extend him beyond that.
His base salary for 2007 is $4,000,000, with an additional $2.75M tacked on from the signing bonus, for a total $6.75M cap hit this year.
The contract is still hefty through it's termination. His base salary climbs to $5M in '08, and $6M in '09, plus the same $2.75M bonus addition in both years.
If you'd like to verify, go here: http://www.wissearch.net/Jets/Default.aspx.
This is not an easy contract to move, as it would also cause an accelerated cap hit to the Jets if they were to move him this offseason. Having said that, the Jets are in the right place if this is a move they want to make. At present, they project to roughly $26M under the 2007 cap. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/487262p-410259c.html
Is it possible? Sure. But they need to find a team with WR needs, that has extra cap room, AND that can send adequate compensation back to the Jets.
Finally, it's not like he's a TO cancer and would be addition by subtraction. Even if it's true he's not a "Mangini guy", he's still their best offensive player (as mentioned by Chase). They just went a surprising 10-6. They do NOT want to backslide in Year 2, so they can't afford to let him go for nothing.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Coles is one of the most durable and tough players in the league. Not only is he the only WR in the league to play every game the last six years, every other receiver has missed at least two games.
After a tough training camp that wore on him, he played this year with injuries to his calf, wrist, back, jaw and head. There's probably some causal relationship there, especially since things seemed worst at the end of the year.
After Al Groh ran a very tough training camp in 2000, the team #####ed and complained that it wore them down, and they lost their last three games after going 9-4. The team brought in Herm, who brought in a much lighter training camp, and the team didn't collapse. The veterans (as they always will) liked this much better.
But anything about Coles not working hard or being a complainer or a bad apple is total B.S. He's one of the most respected players on the team because of his hard work and dedication, and because he puts himself on the line and gets pummeled as a smaller receiver. Mangini and Pennington both <3 Coles, and that's why he's not going anywhere.
After a tough training camp that wore on him, he played this year with injuries to his calf, wrist, back, jaw and head. There's probably some causal relationship there, especially since things seemed worst at the end of the year.
After Al Groh ran a very tough training camp in 2000, the team #####ed and complained that it wore them down, and they lost their last three games after going 9-4. The team brought in Herm, who brought in a much lighter training camp, and the team didn't collapse. The veterans (as they always will) liked this much better.
But anything about Coles not working hard or being a complainer or a bad apple is total B.S. He's one of the most respected players on the team because of his hard work and dedication, and because he puts himself on the line and gets pummeled as a smaller receiver. Mangini and Pennington both <3 Coles, and that's why he's not going anywhere.
Banger
Footballguy
I wouldn't call 20th in the league in ypg and 30th in ypc totally effective. Servicable as I said but not much more. IMO they need to improve on that part of the game to be a more serious contender. They were 7th in carries per game so the quantity was there just not the quality. If they go with the "decent" rb's they have now I really don't see much room for improvement.Reaper said:
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zamboni
Footballguy
As noted elsewhere, Cotch is going to get a hefty contract extension in the offseason. And Mangini absolutely loves the guy.
Big Score
Footballguy
Not sure how the passing offense looks better to you with Schaub at QB, as his passing stats are sub par compared to Vick's across the board <_< Vick career passing stats:Banger said:
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Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate TOTAL 1730 930 53.8 11505 6.65 74 71 52 75.7
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Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate TOTAL 161 84 52.2 1033 6.42 59 6 6 69.2
