Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (8 Viewers)

[Limp Ditka]

there was a congress person calling for Obama's assassination ? singers video's shooting a clown Obama? a Kathy Griffin example of beheading Obama ?

it is unprecedented what's happened with the violent protests of the left

These are acts of violence?

interesting.

 

[Stealthycat]

And that's your opinion.  At first I though it was a terrible idea but the more I learned about it the more I realized it wasn't that big of a deal.  Doesn't offend me at all and I actually find the entire protest to be done respectfully.  Much better than most protests I see.

you can see it that way sure

but you can also see all the people pissed off about it, and recognize than the NFL players have taken a huge hit for doing what they chose to do - that's real

 

[Hawkeye21]

there was a congress person calling for Obama's assassination ? singers video's shooting a clown Obama? a Kathy Griffin example of beheading Obama ?

it is unprecedented what's happened with the violent protests of the left

I agreed with you.  I don't like it either.  The far left are just as terrible as the far right.  I tend to stay in the middle, leaning towards the left.  I don't like to see any crap like that regardless of who the person is since they are still humans.

 

[jonessed]

What he said was basically a recommendation of what he would like to be seen done.  He told us what he would like to see.  He gave us his opinion.  It was poorly handled and he should not be telling us what he would like to see a private business do like that.

Presidents do it all the time.  It's just generally less direct.  Trump isn't exactly subtle.

Nothing he said was illegal or "borderline illegal", if that's even a thing.

 

[sho nuff]

The unity message was completely muddled.  Some teams stayed in the tunnel, some stayed in the locker room, some linked arms, some kneeled, some had a mixture of protests, and most just stood.

The NFL has tried to walk the middle ground on this, but not only was there very little NFL unity even the teams that did unify didn't really define what they were unifying on.  It certainly didn't come across as Kaepernick's original message.

Im talking about the statements the Packers put out this week for the game tonight.

They have said they will link arms as a team...invited police/first responders and military to join them as well...and they asked the fans to join them as well int he crowd.  To show unity as a whole...to try and stop the divisive nature of what has gone on in the last week of this blowing up.

“I think there’s been a great sense of unity and love and support in this locker room, guys coming together,” Rodgers said.

He also felt, however, that the message behind the players’ actions has been misconstrued in some circles, based on the “hatred” he’s seen on his and others’ social media accounts.

“It’s never been about the military or our men and women in uniform. Like I said after the game, we love and support them,” Rodgers said, noting that several players, himself included, have done military-related charity events over the years. “We love them, and we’re thankful for the opportunity they give us.

“This is about equality. This is about unity, and love, and growing together as a society, and starting a conversation around something that might be a little uncomfortable for people. But we have to come together and talk about these things and grow as a community, as a connected group of individuals in our society, and we’re going to continue to show love and unity.

“This week we’re going to ask the fans to join in as well, come together and show people we can be connected, and we can grow together.”

Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-daily-news-story/article-1/Aaron-Rodgers-calls-for-fans-to-link-arms-like-players/f16805e2-fd9f-4c1e-956c-48c940c59237#ixzz4tzRombIt

 

[Limp Ditka]

you can see it that way sure

but you can also see all the people pissed off about it, and recognize than the NFL players have taken a huge hit for doing what they chose to do - that's real

Amazing to me that protest comes with sacrifice. Who woulda thunk?

 

[sho nuff]

and you'd also have to be offended that people have called for Trump's assassination, faux killed him in video's, faux beheaded him etc

lots of things people have done in the last 9 months that have been far lower than I ever thought the US people could go politically 

Few things here...people called for Obama's assassination or wished him and/or his wife dead...faux killed him as well.  That isn't new in the last 9 months.

 

[sho nuff]

I meant the unprecedented attacks on Trump

They are not unprecedented at all.

 

[Hawkeye21]

you can see it that way sure

but you can also see all the people pissed off about it, and recognize than the NFL players have taken a huge hit for doing what they chose to do - that's real

Of course I can see why people are pissed off.  I told you, I was upset at first also but then I thought more about it and tried to empathize with them.  I began to understand why they did it and realized there were not many other options to get their point across the way they did.  Feelings get hurt and people get offended everyday but people get over it.

I'm finding the people who are still really pissed off just don't care about their cause or don't believe them.  They've made up their mind and I don't think it will get changed.

 

[Henry Ford]

Let's think of all the times other than this one that kneeling is disrespectful.  Every other circumstance where it would be.  I'm having trouble getting a list together. 

 

[squistion]

What's it going to be like when the players go back to standing every game?  I have a feeling that the ones upset are going to find new arguments to be mad at them.  I saw it with Kaepernick when he said he would start standing again.  If players decide to go back to standing there are going to be fans yelling that it's too late and that they already made their bed.  Some will say if they are going to make that stand then have the balls to do it every game.  If they continue kneeling those same people are very likely to keep being upset and yell at them for continuing to kneel.  Some people just love to be mad at others.

Exactly. With Kaepernick, after it was announced that he would stand for all games this year, that didn't satisfy his critics. Someone said earlier in this or the other Kaep thread, that wasn't enough, that he needs to apologize to the military, police, and fans for the controversy he caused and then maybe, they might forgive him.

 

[jonessed]

Im talking about the statements the Packers put out this week for the game tonight.

They have said they will link arms as a team...invited police/first responders and military to join them as well...and they asked the fans to join them as well int he crowd.  To show unity as a whole...to try and stop the divisive nature of what has gone on in the last week of this blowing up.

That seems rather silly.  They were the ones that started the divisiveness.  If they really wanted unity they could have just played football

There is no way out of this now.  The fans are divided.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Spike Lee likens CK not having a NFL job to Jackie Robinson not being in baseball until Branch Rickey signed him to play MLB

The reaction from the guy on the far right is meme worthy

 

[Don't Noonan]

Another question I have...there were many who called Obama "the divider in chief".  it appears that group is now pretty silent.  Was what Trump did, not more divisive than Obama?  If not, why do you believe that?

I had hoped Obama as the first African American President would improve race relations and he did the opposite.  Trump's tweets naming the kneelers SOBs was extremely stupid and yes perhaps more divisive than Obama.  All the protests last week were directed at Trump. 

 

[Skoo]

I don't know a single person who's ever said that police issues and injustices aren't problems

Show me one post where people said that, I dare you

a very few rare instances of police injustice happens - like the islamic officer in MN shooting the white Australian woman ....... as far as all the information I've seen, that was cold blooded murder 

but they are very few instances

What do I win?!?

 

[adonis]

Let's think of all the times other than this one that kneeling is disrespectful.  Every other circumstance where it would be.  I'm having trouble getting a list together. 

My wife was soooo pissed at me when I disrespected her by kneeling when I proposed.

 

[jonessed]

Exactly. With Kaepernick, after it was announced that he would stand for all games this year, that wasn't enough for his critics. Someone said earlier in this or the other Kaep thread, that wasn't enough, that he needs to apologize to the military, police, and fans for the controversy he caused and then maybe, they might forgive him.

Other players were already kneeling.  There was no putting the genie back into the bottle at that point.

 

[adonis]

Another question I have...there were many who called Obama "the divider in chief".  it appears that group is now pretty silent.  Was what Trump did, not more divisive than Obama?  If not, why do you believe that?

I had hoped Obama as the first African American President would improve race relations and he did the opposite.  Trump's tweets naming the kneelers SOBs was extremely stupid and yes perhaps more divisive than Obama.  All the protests last week were directed at Trump. 

Here was Obama's response to Colin kneeling:

 "I want Mr. Kaepernick and others who are on a knee, I want them to listen to the pain that may cause somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat and why it hurts them to see somebody not standing. But I also want people to think about the pain he may be expressing about somebody who's lost a loved one that they think was unfairly shot."

 

[jonessed]

What do I win?!?

You seemed to have simply confirmed what he was saying.

 

[squistion]

there was a congress person calling for Obama's assassination ? singers video's shooting a clown Obama? a Kathy Griffin example of beheading Obama ?

it is unprecedented what's happened with the violent protests of the left

Which member of Congress called for Trump's assassination? I don' recall that and would like to see a link.

 

[Old Smiley]

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

 

[sho nuff]

That seems rather silly.  They were the ones that started the divisiveness.  If they really wanted unity they could have just played football

There is no way out of this now.  The fans are divided.

Until this past weekend...none of the Packers players sat or knelt for the anthem.  They did not start any divisiveness at all.

I think they are also seeing what has gone on...and are trying to move past it...if people choose now not to do so...then that is their fault, not that of the players who are trying to move on and play football...trying to come together with people that may not agree on everything.

Hard to do so when one side may call it silly and not be willing to do so.

 

[jonessed]

Which member of Congress called for Trump's assassination? I don' recall that and would like to see a link.

The state congressman I assume.

 

[Skoo]

You seemed to have simply confirmed what he was saying.

Try again.

ETA: When you repeatedly say that something is "very rare", you're implying it's not a big issue.

 

[jonessed]

Until this past weekend...none of the Packers players sat or knelt for the anthem.  They did not start any divisiveness at all.

I think they are also seeing what has gone on...and are trying to move past it...if people choose now not to do so...then that is their fault, not that of the players who are trying to move on and play football...trying to come together with people that may not agree on everything.

Hard to do so when one side may call it silly and not be willing to do so.

This past weekend happened.  The Packers organization divided their fans.  That's on them.

 

[Henry Ford]

My wife was soooo pissed at me when I disrespected her by kneeling when I proposed.

Zod was actually a submissive asking for degradation. 

 

[sho nuff]

I had hoped Obama as the first African American President would improve race relations and he did the opposite.  Trump's tweets naming the kneelers SOBs was extremely stupid and yes perhaps more divisive than Obama.  All the protests last week were directed at Trump. 

What exactly did Obama do to make them worse?

I agree the protests were directed at Trump...in a way to back up their "brothers" on the field for being called out like that by the President.  I can't say that i blame them much for that...and would guess it was the intended reaction.

 

[squistion]

Let's think of all the times other than this one that kneeling is disrespectful.  Every other circumstance where it would be.  I'm having trouble getting a list together. 

Genuflecting is usually considered a sign of respect.

 

[sho nuff]

This past weekend happened.  The Packers organization divided their fans.  That's on them.

I believe the division happened on Friday...not Sunday.  The fans were already divided.

 

[Godsbrother]

no - we have grown into a nation of a short attention span and memory 

Your're righ....  wait what we were talking about again?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Genuflecting is usually considered a sign of respect.

I think most people realize how this came to be though. it's clearly not meant as a sign of respect to the country. Kaepernick's original was to sit for it and then was encouraged to kneel hoping it would be less of an affront. 

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

I fully support their right to kneel. It's peaceful protest and free speech. But pretending it's something positive toward the US isn't helpful to the discussion in my opinion.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

They are not unprecedented at all.

Oh please....the amount of hate and vile rhetoric publicly directed at Trump and by those in the entertainment business in nothing like it was for Obama. 

 

[Radical Larry]

After giving it some more thought, here's the worst way the weekend spirals into chaos.  Fans run onto the field to confront the players when they kneel.  The players tackle those fans.  This causes more fans to run onto the field to defend them.  The cops are in the middle of this, and in the heat of the moment and in the confusion, some players tackle the cops.  Then a lvery large number of fans run onto the field to protect the cops.  Games are never played and we have civil unrest.

The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them!

 

[cosjobs]

Classic tweets from last night

Charlie Daniels @CharlieDaniels
I would ordinarily be watching Thursday Night Football, but for some reason I’m not

Keith Olbermann @KeithOlbermann
It's Wednesday, Goober. 
 

 

[adonis]

They are not unprecedented at all.

Oh please....the amount of hate and vile rhetoric publicly directed at Trump and by those in the entertainment business in nothing like it was for Obama. 

That's because Obama was nothing like Trump.

(also, hollywood is largely liberal and will be more favorable to liberals over conservatives, but still)

 

[Radical Larry]

D: wait until the end of the game when your team has a lead and have the most visible player take a knee with the ball in his hands.

 

 

[Radical Larry]

Classic tweets from last night

Charlie Daniels @CharlieDaniels
I would ordinarily be watching Thursday Night Football, but for some reason I’m not

Keith Olbermann @KeithOlbermann
It's Wednesday, Goober. 
 

 

 

[jonessed]

Your're righ....  wait what we were talking about again?

Long division.

 

[Radical Larry]

Oh please....the amount of hate and vile rhetoric publicly directed at Trump and by those in the entertainment business in nothing like it was for Obama. 

Because he's a total disaster as a president and pretty crappy human being in general.  HTH

 

[sho nuff]

That's because Obama was nothing like Trump.

(also, hollywood is largely liberal and will be more favorable to liberals over conservatives, but still)

That and I was not trying to limit to the entertainment industry...not sure why anyone would...

 

[squistion]

What exactly did Obama do to make them worse?

I agree the protests were directed at Trump...in a way to back up their "brothers" on the field for being called out like that by the President.  I can't say that i blame them much for that...and would guess it was the intended reaction.

He didn't make things worse, but we can expect the usual suspects to bring up what he said re Trayvon Martin, his college professor friend who had a run in with the police and his views towards BLM his failure to condemn that organization.

It was pretty obvious that unless Obama criticized African Americans protests and groups or refrained from commenting on injustices he perceived toward blacks, he was further dividing the races rather than trying to bring them together.

 

[Stealthycat]

I, for one, am sick of all the disrespect going on in churches.  Kneeling during prayer in God's own house.  How disrespectful. 

you have that right

I mean its a real thing for you, because nobody has ever knelt at church before I guess?? 

 

[Stealthycat]

These are acts of violence?

interesting.

calling for people to kill the President isn't to be taken lightly Limp D

or if it is, then the next Democrat President expect the GOP and conservatives to ask for his death continually , right ?

 

[Stealthycat]

Amazing to me that protest comes with sacrifice. Who woulda thunk?

don't be amazed that people ignore the true problems either

 

[Don't Noonan]

What exactly did Obama do to make them worse?

I agree the protests were directed at Trump...in a way to back up their "brothers" on the field for being called out like that by the President.  I can't say that i blame them much for that...and would guess it was the intended reaction.

Obama continually railed against the police and had nothing but praise for Black Lives Matter.   "Travon Martin could have been me, 35 years ago".  In his Dallas speech after the Black Lives Matter shootings instead of unifying he brought up Travon Martin again and praised BLM.  Almost all polls I have seen have showed the majority of America feel racial relations worsened under Obama.

 

[Hawkeye21]

you have that right

I mean its a real thing for you, because nobody has ever knelt at church before I guess?? 

 

[Radical Larry]

Let's think of all the times other than this one that kneeling is disrespectful.  Every other circumstance where it would be.  I'm having trouble getting a list together. 

There was actually some controversy here a few years ago.  

Somebody wrote a letter to the editor slamming a local HS team/coach because they didn't take a knew during an injury time-out for an opposing player.  

I actually had an argument with my sister about it (she's kinda dumb).  She thought it was horrible that the other team didn't take a knee.  And that it was disrespectful.  

I told her that back when I played soccer, baseball, and football the taking a knee thing didn't exist.  And, as far as I knew, it came out of youth soccer as a way to keep all the players on the field and not doing stuff like kicking the ball.  And that it wasn't really a tradition. 

She wouldn't have it.  Of course now?  She's pissed at people kneeling during the anthem.

 

[Henry Ford]

you have that right

I mean its a real thing for you, because nobody has ever knelt at church before I guess?? 

Nobody's ever knelt before a flag before?  

 

[Stealthycat]

Few things here...people called for Obama's assassination or wished him and/or his wife dead...faux killed him as well.  That isn't new in the last 9 months.

list them

not unidentified tweeters - list the congressmen who did it, the famous singers, the actors and comedians etc

Ted Nugent said a harsh thing i remember, but nobody that was anybody called for Obama's death

 

[cosjobs]

you have that right

I mean its a real thing for you, because nobody has ever knelt at church before I guess?? 

No while singing a hymn. That's just taking it too far