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College CB/WR Travis Hunter, Colorado (1 Viewer)

I don't think it's a given that he would be a Top 13 WR
Of course no given he’ll be the top CB either.

I’m just saying if he believes in himself to be a top WR in the league there is more money to be had at that position. Higher ceiling in pay, lower bar to pass to make what the best CB's make.

don't think any team will allow him to be a significant contributor on ball sides of the ball . .
What is significant to you?
Similar to what he did this season at Colorado (ie, where he is considered an every down player on offense and defense). As others have mentioned, I expect his new team may have a small package of plays for him situationally on offense. Maybe 6 or 8 snaps a game. Deion only had one season with double digit receptions. Maybe Hunter gets 15 or 20. Deion's biggest season on offense was 67 targets. I don't think the new Sanders gets anything near that. I would guess 95%+ of defensive snaps and 5-10% of snaps on offense depending on the game.

Just because Hunter believes he is a top WR doesn't mean the NFL does. Other players in the past have wanted to play one position, but their teams didn't acquiesce. What is Hunter going to do if the team drafting him says he is a CB only . . . will he refuse to play?

What do you consider a significant contribution? What percentage of snaps do you think he will play of defensive snaps and offense snaps? What sort of offensive totals would you project him at?
 
I don't really get why this guy would be the top pick in this draft unless a team intended to play him both ways regularly.

The best WR in this or any class probably wouldn't go 1.01, nor would the best corner realistically. So why would Hunter if he was only going to specialise in one thing?
 
I don't think the new Sanders gets anything near that. I would guess 95%+ of defensive snaps and 5-10% of snaps on offense depending on the game.
Ok, thanks for answering. I expect him to play more two way then any player of our lifetime but nothing remotely close to the amount he played at Colorado. Instead of putting a percentage on it I'd say essentially full time starter on defense, maybe some special teams and on offense mainly passing downs to start, something in the 10-15 snap per game range with room to grow that role signficantly based on overall performance.

Other players in the past have wanted to play one position, but their teams didn't acquiesce.
Who? I know of some arbitration cases like Jimmy Grahams were for tag purposes they tried to have their position changed in title. Any of this recent were a top notch player was told he had to play a certain position? It's a new era in the NFL, I don't think if this happened a long time ago where a player was refused it holds a lot of weight now, He'll agree to play any position he's asked when he's drafted, which I'm sure will be CB, to help him get drafted as high as possible though I think he's going to make it clear he expects to play both. But I think if at some point in his career he decided he'd rather play WR primarily I would 100% expect him to get what he wants with his current team or moved to one that would let him. Do I think this is possible? Unlikely but not impossible depending on of course how good he was playing at WR and how it impacted his pay. And my only thinking on this is from a dynasty angle is it possible that he excelled at WR so much that before he enters his second contract he makes it clear that's what he wants to make his primary position. Again I say unlikely, not impossible.



Just because Hunter believes he is a top WR doesn't mean the NFL does.
I did not make this clear but I was really thinking more in terms of after he got in the league he was demonstrating ability to be a top 10'ish type WR in the league.
 
Who? I know of some arbitration cases like Jimmy Grahams were for tag purposes they tried to have their position changed in title.
I meant more players entering the draft where the league envisioned them differently than what they were in college . . . a QB asked to move to WR (when he wanted to be a QB) . . . think Malik Cunningham. Or guys that were OT but teams felt they were better suited at G or C. Admittedly, most of the time the situation involved guys tagged as "athletes" or "football players" and a franchise tried to find a role for them. They rarely were two-way players, and they never were top-tier players at more than one spot.

IMO, Hunter may be a step up from Deion, but I think there's just so much that would be required of him defensively that he won't have the ability to be heavily involved in the offense. I know some guys have had situational roles . . . Julian Edelman played CB in 2011 when all NE's CB's were banged up. The Pats use Marcus Jones on offense every once in a while. Back in the day, they had Vrabel in at the goal line for 1-yard dump-off TDs. IIRC, the Texans used J.J. Watt like that one season. And Patrick Peterson has been used sparingly on offense. But other than that, other than guys like Deion and Hester, there haven't been many guys that played much on the opposite side of the ball.
 
There is still just too much money on the offensive side of the ball to pass up. Its not only in NFL contracts, but in exposure and endorsement opportunities.

Hunter only needs to be a good WR to get a solid second payday. He would need to play all pro level CB to get a similar payday.
 
I don't really get why this guy would be the top pick in this draft unless a team intended to play him both ways regularly.

The best WR in this or any class probably wouldn't go 1.01, nor would the best corner realistically. So why would Hunter if he was only going to specialise in one thing?

Hmm... so how does that work in practice... would Hunter cover himself... or is he so good, that he doesn't even need to practice. Just gonna step in and dominate the NFL.

Deion was the most electric player I have ever seen with respect to his Swiss Army Knife skillset. I don't see anything close to Deion when I watch Hunter.
 
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Hunter isn't going to the #1 pick... probably not the #2 either.

earliest I see him going, is #3.

I don't see any issue w a generationally talented CB going #3 overall, esp in today's NFL. and i'm tripling down on him being a ONE position player. again, maybe a sprinkle of 2-3 plays a game on the other side... but he's going to play 1 role and play it to the top level
 
Any of this recent were a top notch player was told he had to play a certain position?

Parsons. He wants or wanted to be a middle linebacker, not a pass rusher. The Cowboys knew they’d found a gem and made him do it. I drafted him in IDP as an LB, so I’ve been following his career intently. If you read between the lines, he wanted to be a linebacker but Dan Quinn (?) made him into a sort of pass rushing rover. I think it’s the LEO in Quinn’s defense. Anyway, that ship has sailed and he’s now a pass rusher exclusively. He’s also a primo IDP piece and I dealt him for Brian Thomas after Week Two or so of this year when I became convinced BTJ was gonna be a superstar (he is).

But I had Parsons for years and he did play middle linebacker at times in his first year. You can check the tackle statistics. He especially did one game against Denver, which was a game he won all by himself for me.
 
Will it matter to him that the best WR's make $10M more a season then the best CB's pay or that the 13th highest paid WR is on par with the highest paid CB's?
I think this is a very reasonable consideration. The only thing I can lean on is Hunter mentioned his goal was to be better than Deion, which I assume he was speaking about the corner position. I think most teams based on what I have heard consider him primarily on the defensive side of the ball.
 
Hunter isn't going to the #1 pick... probably not the #2 either.

earliest I see him going, is #3.

I don't see any issue w a generationally talented CB going #3 overall, esp in today's NFL. and i'm tripling down on him being a ONE position player. again, maybe a sprinkle of 2-3 plays a game on the other side... but he's going to play 1 role and play it to the top level
Don't step too far out on that limb. Him going #3 has more to do with the QB starved teams picking in front of him than it does his talent. Still, depending on Ward/Sanders evaluations pre-draft, it's feasible someone trades up to get him at 1 or 2. I'm not saying it's likely, just that I believe he's hand down the best talent in this draft.

And 2-3 plays on the other side? Based on what? Guys like Sanders, Hester, Champ, PP, and others were gadget guys on offense because they lacked the route running prowess Hunter possesses. The guy is unlike any we've seen in the modern era. I would go as far as to say anyone spending a top 5 pick on the guy will EXPECT him to play a significant role on both sides of the ball early in his career.

As his career progresses and the wear and tear of the NFL starts to catch up with him, I expect him to focus either O or D. Which side is anyone's guess, and when this happens, who knows? But for now, get your popcorn ready!
 
I'm apparently a lot higher on Hunter than the recent posts in this thread. I think Hunter could absolutely be the best CB in the NFL. He's the best CB prospect since AT LEAST Ramsey.

He also looks like he could be a #1 pretty good WR, but he's much better at CB. This is like asking if you'd rather have the career of Jalen Ramsey or Amari Cooper.

This is a bad QB draft. Ward looks like a 1st round talent, and is in play at #1 despite being nowhere near the talent that typically nets you. Sanders would be a 2nd rounder in most drafts, and he's in play at #2 because of desperation. Hunter is highly likely to be a better pick than either of those guys as far as likelihood of becoming an elite player. So, to me, Hunter is shaping up to be a steal, even if he goes #3.

On a team as bad as Carolina he might be the best WR and CB on the roster
Honestly, that'd probably be the case on like 10 teams.
 
Hunter isn't going to the #1 pick... probably not the #2 either.

earliest I see him going, is #3.

I don't see any issue w a generationally talented CB going #3 overall, esp in today's NFL. and i'm tripling down on him being a ONE position player. again, maybe a sprinkle of 2-3 plays a game on the other side... but he's going to play 1 role and play it to the top level
Don't step too far out on that limb. Him going #3 has more to do with the QB starved teams picking in front of him than it does his talent. Still, depending on Ward/Sanders evaluations pre-draft, it's feasible someone trades up to get him at 1 or 2. I'm not saying it's likely, just that I believe he's hand down the best talent in this draft.

And 2-3 plays on the other side? Based on what? Guys like Sanders, Hester, Champ, PP, and others were gadget guys on offense because they lacked the route running prowess Hunter possesses. The guy is unlike any we've seen in the modern era. I would go as far as to say anyone spending a top 5 pick on the guy will EXPECT him to play a significant role on both sides of the ball early in his career.

As his career progresses and the wear and tear of the NFL starts to catch up with him, I expect him to focus either O or D. Which side is anyone's guess, and when this happens, who knows? But for now, get your popcorn ready!

So, again... Propose to me how ONE player is going to attend FULL TIME practice, training and meetings for both offense and defense. And learn TWO entire playbooks, concurrently.

Then explain how one player, at the absolute pinnacle of the sport, is somehow going to manage to not gas after 1-2 quarters of football on both sides of the ball, unlike every other player in the game who is gassed after 4 quarters of one side.
 
So, again...
'He's different!!!' Haven't you heard?

Except he probably isn't. He's just a really exceptional athlete, same as many other players in the NFL currently.

he was an exceptional college player. what he did is very, very rare.
none of that matters at the next level. being the best at ONE position is damn near impossible, but some want him to do it on both sides?

he's a lock at DB for me. Im not even entertaining anything else, and I'm the holder of the #3 dynasty pick, which would mean he's mine (if he was a WR). but again, he and the league knows where he's best
 
It's hard to predict but if he was a full time WR, he would be my WR1 in this class
Are you saying this as in he also plays 0 DB snaps? Or just that he plays starting WR snaps? Because to me those are two different scenarios that would change my opinion on that. Regardless I have McMillan firmly ahead of him at this point. But if he/the team he plays for is trying to have him do both, it will have Hunter falling further down my board namely because of a lot of the issues already brought up in this thread.
 
Hunter isn't going to the #1 pick... probably not the #2 either.

earliest I see him going, is #3.

I don't see any issue w a generationally talented CB going #3 overall, esp in today's NFL. and i'm tripling down on him being a ONE position player. again, maybe a sprinkle of 2-3 plays a game on the other side... but he's going to play 1 role and play it to the top level
Don't step too far out on that limb. Him going #3 has more to do with the QB starved teams picking in front of him than it does his talent. Still, depending on Ward/Sanders evaluations pre-draft, it's feasible someone trades up to get him at 1 or 2. I'm not saying it's likely, just that I believe he's hand down the best talent in this draft.

And 2-3 plays on the other side? Based on what? Guys like Sanders, Hester, Champ, PP, and others were gadget guys on offense because they lacked the route running prowess Hunter possesses. The guy is unlike any we've seen in the modern era. I would go as far as to say anyone spending a top 5 pick on the guy will EXPECT him to play a significant role on both sides of the ball early in his career.

As his career progresses and the wear and tear of the NFL starts to catch up with him, I expect him to focus either O or D. Which side is anyone's guess, and when this happens, who knows? But for now, get your popcorn ready!

So, again... Propose to me how ONE player is going to attend FULL TIME practice, training and meetings for both offense and defense. And learn TWO entire playbooks, concurrently.

Then explain how one player, at the absolute pinnacle of the sport, is somehow going to manage to not gas after 1-2 quarters of football on both sides of the ball, unlike every other player in the game who is gassed after 4 quarters of one side.
So you’re saying it’s impossible? Can’t be done? Tape marked.

For the record, my prediction is full time DB and 30-40% of the offensive snaps.

He lives football. He might have the greatest gas tank we have ever seen. He is capable of so much more than you give him credit for.
 
This whole learning “two playbooks” thing is being overblown IMO. If he’s a full time CB, he doesn’t need to learn the full offensive playbook to play 20 snaps on offense per game and make an impact.
 
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This whole learning “two playbooks” thing is being overblown IMO. If he’s a full time CB, he doesn’t need to learn the full offensive playbook to play 20 snaps on offense per fake and make an impact.
I don't know that the play books are some huge deal breaker for it.

I think the reality is: If you're paying him 20 million plus to be an elite CB, you don't want the other team getting a chance to smash him when he's got the ball in his hand. Other elite CB's could surely make plays with the football in their hands. We see them do it when they get interceptions.

If you're paying him to be an elite WR for your team--you don't want him expending energy trying to also shut down the other team's elite WR.
 
Then explain how one player, at the absolute pinnacle of the sport, is somehow going to manage to not gas after 1-2 quarters of football on both sides of the ball, unlike every other player in the game who is gassed after 4 quarters of one side.
He averaged more than 100 snaps per game
Sure.

But certainly the NFL is a different monster. Covering and tackling Chase, Lamb, Jefferson, etc. is different than covering Big 12 recievers. Some of who will never even see the NFL.

Maybe "gassed" is too strong of a statement. But I think going all out nearly ever single play of the game--I think you're going to see some fatigue and diminished performance later in games. Maybe it's minor. Maybe in college it's not noticable. But if I'm an NFL team, I'm worried after 100 plays, the fatigue is enough that an elite NFL WR is going to start cooking him.

He's human. He breathes oxygen. He muscles that will experience fatigue when pushed too far.
 
This whole learning “two playbooks” thing is being overblown IMO. If he’s a full time CB, he doesn’t need to learn the full offensive playbook to play 20 snaps on offense per fake and make an impact.
Maybe depending on what offense he's playing in. I understand hype blinds all, but for most teams the NFL isn't a "just go run down field and we'll get you the ball" league. Most plays have a large multitude of variations based on offensive formations, pre-snap motions, QB reads, defensive showings, audibles, option routes etc. etc. etc. On a garbage team and a garbage offensive with 0 other talent, sure they might have him do just that. But physical talent doesn't automatically translate to mental fortitude and most coaches and OC aren't putting a guy out there who doesn't know what he's doing. We've seen dozens of guys just as gifted as Hunter from a WR perspective and completely flop bc you can't just win on talent alone playing against NFL secondaries. We are obviously at agree to disagree on this one, and I think you're drastically underselling it.

This is also early in the process for me, but so far his injury history, esp. in 2023, is concerning. It seems likely due to not only usage, but size. He has issues getting off the line against larger DBs and gets knocked off routes by physical coverage. This being a weak overall draft class is putting him higher than he would be in other classes IMO, at least with regard to WR talent. I understand the CB hype. I DO NOT understand the WR hype at this point. He's not going to be playing NDSU, Baylor, and CInn. anymore... Again, I don't think he's bad. In fact he seems pretty darn good. But he's a much better CB than WR to me, and expecting him to not only do both, but do both at an elite level stepping up to NFL competition is a gigantic leap of faith. At the very least, it will impact the time it will take to acclimate.
 
Then explain how one player, at the absolute pinnacle of the sport, is somehow going to manage to not gas after 1-2 quarters of football on both sides of the ball, unlike every other player in the game who is gassed after 4 quarters of one side.
He averaged more than 100 snaps per game
Sure.

But certainly the NFL is a different monster. Covering and tackling Chase, Lamb, Jefferson, etc. is different than covering Big 12 recievers. Some of who will never even see the NFL.

Maybe "gassed" is too strong of a statement. But I think going all out nearly ever single play of the game--I think you're going to see some fatigue and diminished performance later in games. Maybe it's minor. Maybe in college it's not noticable. But if I'm an NFL team, I'm worried after 100 plays, the fatigue is enough that an elite NFL WR is going to start cooking him.

He's human. He breathes oxygen. He muscles that will experience fatigue when pushed too far.
Of course the NFL is a different monster, but he's already demonstrated something that just about every other amateur athlete has not. Can he be effective and average 100+ plays / game in the NFL? No, of course not. Can he average more than his contemporaries? Likely, and I'd bet on it. How many? That's to be determined.
 
There were 14 CBs that played 1,000+ defensive snaps this year (with a high of 1,200+) in the NFL. It seems likely that Hunter would be in that 1,000+ snap group (essentially 60 snaps on defense a game). There was one player this season that topped 1,300 total snaps (1,308) and 2 others that went over 1,250 (1,270 and 1,251) that were basically one-way players who also played special teams.

Based on that, how many snaps do people think Hunter will have on offense and what would you project his receiving numbers to be (receptions / yardage / TD)?
 
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Then explain how one player, at the absolute pinnacle of the sport, is somehow going to manage to not gas after 1-2 quarters of football on both sides of the ball, unlike every other player in the game who is gassed after 4 quarters of one side.
He averaged more than 100 snaps per game
Sure.

But certainly the NFL is a different monster. Covering and tackling Chase, Lamb, Jefferson, etc. is different than covering Big 12 recievers. Some of who will never even see the NFL.

Maybe "gassed" is too strong of a statement. But I think going all out nearly ever single play of the game--I think you're going to see some fatigue and diminished performance later in games. Maybe it's minor. Maybe in college it's not noticable. But if I'm an NFL team, I'm worried after 100 plays, the fatigue is enough that an elite NFL WR is going to start cooking him.

He's human. He breathes oxygen. He muscles that will experience fatigue when pushed too far.
Outside of Tet Mac, I can't name another big 12 WR.
 
It's hard to predict but if he was a full time WR, he would be my WR1 in this class
Are you saying this as in he also plays 0 DB snaps? Or just that he plays starting WR snaps? Because to me those are two different scenarios that would change my opinion on that. Regardless I have McMillan firmly ahead of him at this point. But if he/the team he plays for is trying to have him do both, it will have Hunter falling further down my board namely because of a lot of the issues already brought up in this thread.
I'm saying full time starting WR snaps and sprinkle him in on some defensive packages. I don't think this is what will happen but I think he's the best WR on tape in this class.
 
Is he 1.01 in IDP leagues?
no way, maybe top 5 but I'm skeptical its going to work in fantasy
I am certainly not advocating it, but it could be interesting depending on scoring system and his offensive involvement.
Is he 1.01 in IDP leagues?
no way, maybe top 5 but I'm skeptical its going to work in fantasy
I am certainly not advocating it, but it could be interesting depending on scoring system and his offensive involvement.
I could see it especially depending on the scoring in some leagues
 
He's an athlete
A good coach will find ways to use him to his full potential
Pray that he gets drafted by a good coaching staff
 
Best player in the draft and it’s not close. Would love to see the Giants get a gift with the 3rd pick since Tenn and Cleveland need a QB. The Giants too need a QB, but it would be nice to not have a choice at pick #3. You cannot pass on a unicorn like Travis if he’s available.
 
Best player in the draft and it’s not close. Would love to see the Giants get a gift with the 3rd pick since Tenn and Cleveland need a QB. The Giants too need a QB, but it would be nice to not have a choice at pick #3. You cannot pass on a unicorn like Travis if he’s available.
IDP asside, if he's not a full-time WR I'm not interested.
 
Best player in the draft and it’s not close. Would love to see the Giants get a gift with the 3rd pick since Tenn and Cleveland need a QB. The Giants too need a QB, but it would be nice to not have a choice at pick #3. You cannot pass on a unicorn like Travis if he’s available.
I've been saying a few times that I'm not sure if the second drafted player in this draft would go in the top 12 picks last year but I realized I've been phrasing that wrong.

How I should have phrased was that Hunter is the only player in this draft class I think would have gone in the top 12 picks last year. Carter might have, and we'll never know that or any of this, but my guess is would not. I don't think any of the teams who went QB would have preferred Ward or Sanders over the QB's they chose.

Just saying that to highlight how talented Hunter is and how weak the top of this draft class is this year.
 
For all you dynasty players I suspect you won't have much clarity about his role by the time your drafts roll around.

Good luck.
 
Titans president of football operations Chad Brinker said Wednesday the team “won’t pass on a generational talent,”

I think it's smoke, but it's a new GM and Hunter is unique.
 
Jeremiah's put out his top 50 this morning, listed Hunter as a WR and overall player 2 and said he'd prefer he prioritized WR and moonlighted on defense.
 
Is he really all that and a bag a chips? I don't watch a ton of college football but I did catch portions of a few different CO games and Hunter was either hurt or games were so out of hand that it seemed like they were just padding stats so it was hard to really evaluate his skills.

I can see this going the way of an overhyped showboater that does nothing at the next level and that there are so many ways he can go off the rails it seems to be the likely scenario.
 
Jeremiah's put out his top 50 this morning, listed Hunter as a WR and overall player 2 and said he'd prefer he prioritized WR and moonlighted on defense.
Interesting. I feel like the majority of opinion, is CB that plays occasional WR is the better path.
Agree it's not the majority opinion and it's interesting when this comes from a respected plugged in source, who just happened to drop this list after being around teams at the Senior Bowl.
 
Will it matter to him that the best WR's make $10M more a season then the best CB's pay or that the 13th highest paid WR is on par with the highest paid CB's?
5? Years ago, it was supposedly better to be a CB for longevity but better for Jersey sales to be a WR and....I remember some site did a comparison, I found it interesting, and it was commonly discussed.
Several college CBs have switched to WR and vice versa in the last few years mainly because of talent ahead of them and being good at both.
Some of them have made highlight reel interceptions with their great hands but are not the top CB recruits. And OU player got a lot of discussion going with his pick.
Last few years were the first draft that one sort of aged into. Seahawks tall CB a former WR? Trying to remember who.

Anyway...all of the above led to how many kids play WR and CB in high school and some at very high levels and more discussion.

Sooo I'm sitting here wondering why everyone is calling Hunter a unicorn.
I don't misunderstand he's talented and all but where's the line drawn?
 

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