Colleges have ruined America (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Cross]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit. So now these kids are saddled with a lot of debt and do not even have a degree. So many in the raise the minimum wage movement are college graduates that can not find a decent paying job. The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports while often times letting them cheat there way through school. After they can not play any longer they are forgotten. Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive. All other thought is shut down and discouraged. These same teachers force the students to pay hundereds of dollars for books that they have written. They change a few words every couple of years to keep students from buying used books. The college also likes to raise tuition every year even thought they have billions of dollars in endowments. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

 

[Chadstroma]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

Wait....

Link or something?

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Wat?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive

yeah your true agenda here.

I agree college is a rip off, your best bet is to hope mommy and daddy saved enough to pay for it for you.

If not go to community college for the first couple of years, then goto a higher learning institution.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Students have to take some responsibility. You have a vast choice of potential majors. Hard to feel bad for the kid saddled with debt and no job prospects when he decided to cruise through with a degree in 18th century music history.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I blame white people pretending to be black. Thanks a lot, Obama!

 

[Mr. Cross]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

My nephew told me he has teachers that have told the class this. Even if you disagree you know I am right about everything else.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

My nephew told me he has teachers that have told the class this. Even if you disagree you know I am right about everything else.

 

[dozer]

Parents that think their kid is to good to be a welder or carpenter have ruined college.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

I doubt they publicly acknowledge this, but I would bet that it makes financial sense to get students to drop out during the first 1-2 years after overcharging for a bunch of gened, remedial and large lecture hall classes.

 

[joffer]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

My nephew told me he has teachers that have told the class this. Even if you disagree you know I am right about everything else.

 

[Gr00vus]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit. So now these kids are saddled with a lot of debt and do not even have a degree. So many in the raise the minimum wage movement are college graduates that can not find a decent paying job. The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports while often times letting them cheat there way through school. After they can not play any longer they are forgotten. Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive. All other thought is shut down and discouraged. These same teachers force the students to pay hundereds of dollars for books that they have written. They change a few words every couple of years to keep students from buying used books. The college also likes to raise tuition every year even thought they have billions of dollars in endowments. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

If your post is indicative of the result of a college education, I'll have to agree with your premise - however poorly written it may be.

 

[Mr. Cross]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit. So now these kids are saddled with a lot of debt and do not even have a degree. So many in the raise the minimum wage movement are college graduates that can not find a decent paying job. The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports while often times letting them cheat there way through school. After they can not play any longer they are forgotten. Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive. All other thought is shut down and discouraged. These same teachers force the students to pay hundereds of dollars for books that they have written. They change a few words every couple of years to keep students from buying used books. The college also likes to raise tuition every year even thought they have billions of dollars in endowments. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

If your post is indicative of the result of a college education, I'll have to agree with your premise - however poorly written it may be.

I did not go to college.

 

[mquinnjr]

High schools are so bad that "college" is basically 10th-12th grade, with a year of "basic training" in whatever field you're actually there for.

I had a number of classes in my Freshman/Sophomore year that I had already taken in HS. I am far from naturally smart, etc. so I'll second this. Also allowed me to party more without paying for it

 

[Gr00vus]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit. So now these kids are saddled with a lot of debt and do not even have a degree. So many in the raise the minimum wage movement are college graduates that can not find a decent paying job. The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports while often times letting them cheat there way through school. After they can not play any longer they are forgotten. Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive. All other thought is shut down and discouraged. These same teachers force the students to pay hundereds of dollars for books that they have written. They change a few words every couple of years to keep students from buying used books. The college also likes to raise tuition every year even thought they have billions of dollars in endowments. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

If your post is indicative of the result of a college education, I'll have to agree with your premise - however poorly written it may be.

I did not go to college.

Then I don't agree with your premise.

 

[Apple Jack]

The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports

 

[jon_mx]

The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports

So should we only cheer for the crackers?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

I doubt they publicly acknowledge this, but I would bet that it makes financial sense to get students to drop out during the first 1-2 years after overcharging for a bunch of gened, remedial and large lecture hall classes.

I know that this whole thing is trolling (and I love this alias), but it could also be referring to certain majors especially, where they do design classes to weed out underclassmen who are just not going to make it (like pre-med or what have you).

 

[Jayrod]

Yes, yes....clearly the problem with America is people getting an education.

 

[bigbottom]

My Accounting 310 professor was so darn liberal, always espousing his dirty liberal GAAP theories.

 

[Apple Jack]

My Accounting 310 professor was so darn liberal, always espousing his dirty liberal GAAP theories.

dont for get the colord athlete carry all the strayer and mt joe to teh finance promise land

 

[PatsWillWin]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit. So now these kids are saddled with a lot of debt and do not even have a degree. So many in the raise the minimum wage movement are college graduates that can not find a decent paying job. The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports while often times letting them cheat there way through school. After they can not play any longer they are forgotten. Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive. All other thought is shut down and discouraged. These same teachers force the students to pay hundereds of dollars for books that they have written. They change a few words every couple of years to keep students from buying used books. The college also likes to raise tuition every year even thought they have billions of dollars in endowments. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

If your post is indicative of the result of a college education, I'll have to agree with your premise - however poorly written it may be.

I did not go to college.

Then I don't agree with your premise.

 

[Leviathan]

I majored in bong hits and minored in keg tapping.

I turned out OK.

 

[rockaction]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

Italicized, no. Colleges and universities went from finishing schools for the rich and liberal arts-minded to meritocracies whereby people could get educations for a myriad number of disciplines and subjects, including research areas and concentrations in the hard sciences.

Bolded, possibly. The advent of the SAT's importance with respect to admissions certainly opened up higher education to people of social classes other than upper and upper-middle. But as far as a lottery ticket? Hyperbole. There was a study released the other day that just found that your major, strangely, determines your future earnings more than where you attended university. I think Georgetown released it. I'm not looking up the link for an alias, though.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

I doubt they publicly acknowledge this, but I would bet that it makes financial sense to get students to drop out during the first 1-2 years after overcharging for a bunch of gened, remedial and large lecture hall classes.

I can see why a person might think that. Large lecture classes are serious cash cows for universities, whereas some upper-level courses, especially graduate courses, are loss-leaders. That is absolutely true.

That said, almost all people on the academic side of the administrative house came up through the faculty ranks, and harbor a strong distaste for making decisions on grubby rationales like money. Most of them genuinely want their students to succeed. But even if they didn't, and they cared only about bottom-line issues, statistics like a university's retention rate and its six year graduation rate are really important in rankings and accreditation. It's not actually in the university's long-term interest to admit students who don't graduate, and most schools go out of their way to get students finished wherever feasible. That excludes the for-profits, some of whom really are predatory.

 

[PatsWillWin]

College is vastly over-priced, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have value (and obviously saying that it "ruined America" is just nonsense). I believe throughout the recession, as high as unemployment rates went, those with degrees fared much better than those without. It's over-priced, some people have illusions about what a degree guarantees you, but that doesn't mean you're not better off having one than not, in a vacuum.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

True that college is not for everyone.

 

[Apple Jack]

if you want to give a college money for the next 50 years, one will be happy to take it. but you can get a good education at a state school, on in-state tuition, while working, and not end up in debt up to your eyeballs. you just have to actually think for a second before making that decision.

 

[joffer]

Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive

yeah your true agenda here.

 

[elguapo07]

Had an intern from NYU years ago....doing laundry, mending chicken wire, high tea with a Mr. Newman didn't sit too well with young Darrens academic advisor.

 

[mquinnjr]

My Accounting 310 professor was so darn liberal, always espousing his dirty liberal GAAP theories.

Looks like we have another IFRS sympathizer in our midst. Always complicating things!

 

[Otis]

Jesus didn't go to college.

 

[Jayrod]

Your mom goes to college.

 

[Mr. Cross]

Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive

yeah your true agenda here.

That well known right wing Christian Jerry Seinfled agrees with me. http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/13/the-lefts-outrage-at-jerry-seinfeld-proves-his-point/

 

[Cjw_55106]

College used to be about getting a higher education in a specialize field. Now it is just a lottery ticket for the lower and middle classes in the hopes of landing a decent job. Like a lottery ticket, it is not a very good investment. Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit. So now these kids are saddled with a lot of debt and do not even have a degree. So many in the raise the minimum wage movement are college graduates that can not find a decent paying job. The college also like to take advantage of People Of Color to make billions off there ability in sports while often times letting them cheat there way through school. After they can not play any longer they are forgotten. Then there are the teachers that preach an open mind as long as it is liberal and progressive. All other thought is shut down and discouraged. These same teachers force the students to pay hundereds of dollars for books that they have written. They change a few words every couple of years to keep students from buying used books. The college also likes to raise tuition every year even thought they have billions of dollars in endowments. College is the biggest scam in America for most people.

If your post is indicative of the result of a college education, I'll have to agree with your premise - however poorly written it may be.

I did not go to college.

Well why would you? All the college girls are too old for you.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Ruined

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

I doubt they publicly acknowledge this, but I would bet that it makes financial sense to get students to drop out during the first 1-2 years after overcharging for a bunch of gened, remedial and large lecture hall classes.

USF..U Stay Forever

 

[Cjw_55106]

Perhaps I'd be with you if you stated that coporate America requiring a college degree for nearly all jobs is ruining America. The colleges themselves? Not so much.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

In the military the college educated officers #### everything up while the sergeant and grunts get #### done. It is no different in a business organization.

 

[moleculo]

I think colleges are what make America great. We have turned our economy into a knowledge based service economy. In aggregate, we don't make money on the backs of labor any more. We are not agricultural, or mining, or manufacturing. We are a great economy because we run successful businesses, we create, we innovate. We can do great things because we are well educated.

Go to any college campus, and note how many foreign students are enrolled full time...especially in tougher majors - medicine, engineering, hard sciences, etc. The best and the brightest from around the world come here to further their education. When they graduate, some head back but many try to stay here. Colleges are a great way for us to attract the best and brightest (as opposed to the poor, huddled masses).

Yes, there are plenty of great jobs out there for non-degreed folks. But we, as a nation, aren't going to drive the economy further without secondary education and our colleges are at the forefront of developing workers of tomorrow.

 

[Jayrod]

In the military the college educated officers #### everything up while the sergeant and grunts get #### done. It is no different in a business organization.

Don't mistake activity for achievement.

 

[moleculo]

Then the colleges publicly acknowledge that they try to get a certain percenatge of students to quit.

I stopped here... Please show your math.

I doubt they publicly acknowledge this, but I would bet that it makes financial sense to get students to drop out during the first 1-2 years after overcharging for a bunch of gened, remedial and large lecture hall classes.

I can see why a person might think that. Large lecture classes are serious cash cows for universities, whereas some upper-level courses, especially graduate courses, are loss-leaders. That is absolutely true.

That said, almost all people on the academic side of the administrative house came up through the faculty ranks, and harbor a strong distaste for making decisions on grubby rationales like money. Most of them genuinely want their students to succeed. But even if they didn't, and they cared only about bottom-line issues, statistics like a university's retention rate and its six year graduation rate are really important in rankings and accreditation. It's not actually in the university's long-term interest to admit students who don't graduate, and most schools go out of their way to get students finished wherever feasible. That excludes the for-profits, some of whom really are predatory.

I think most majors have "weeder" classes, designed to weed out those not fit for that particular discipline. Just because your test scores can get you admitted into a particular college doesn't mean you are fit for 4 years of it. It's better to separate the wheat from the chaff early, especially for challenging majors. In this case, the objective isn't necessarily to get kids to drop out of school, just to maybe guide them to something more suiting.

An example might be really difficult calculus classes in the first year of engineering. They fully expect some percentage of students to fail, and it's better to get those kids out of the program early, and maybe into engineering technology or business or something less rigorous.

 

[Zow]

Yes, clearly too much education is what is ruining this country.

 

[Zow]

Yes, yes....clearly the problem with America is people getting an education.

 

[TripItUp]

Lumping all colleges together is a mistake.

A lot of these "art" colleges and/or online "universities" lure lower middle class children into taking out six figures in loans for worthless degrees in "business management" or "fashion design."

It is essentially predatory lending. The students lose by wrecking their credit or living in poverty while trying to pay off the loans. The taxpayers lose with unpaid federal backed loans. The only winners are the executives and "professors" at these for-profit, scamming institutions.

Politicians have discussed, but have done nothing.

 

[jon_mx]

What isn't a sham? Medicine and in particular Prescription Drugs....Lawyers involved in everything....All government procurements....Real Estate Agents.....Title Insurance......Car Insurance....Movie Popcorn......The whole economy is one sham after another.

 

[JohnnyU]

The problem isn't college, it is those who graduate and then are blown away when they realize they aren't special like they've been told by their mommy and high school teachers and will start at the bottom of their chosen profession and will not be a top executive anytime soon.

 

[moleculo]

In aggregate, we don't make money on the backs of labor any more.

This is bs. We've simply moved the sweatshops to China. Out of sight, out of mind.

if I said, "the backs of our labor", would that make you feel better?

 

[moleculo]

What isn't a sham? Medicine and in particular Prescription Drugs....Lawyers involved in everything....All government procurements....Real Estate Agents.....Title Insurance......Car Insurance....Movie Popcorn......The whole economy is one sham after another.

feel free to drop out of the economy. I think Ted Kaczynski may have a cabin for sale.