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COLLUSION (1 Viewer)
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two_dollars
Footballguy
I like that clipping from your constitution
PoolShark
Footballguy
We have the following rules in place regarding "questionable" behavior:
COLLUSION will not be tolerated. Collusion, simply put as it relates to this league, is 2 owners making a deal to improve one team at the expense of the other. Collusion is cheating and will be considered grounds for dismissal from the league, and forfeiture of entry fees. If a team is dismissed, the roster will be frozen, with no f/a moves or trades for the remainder of the season. Depending on the situation, the team may be taken over by the commissioner, or a league average or similar method may be used for remaining scheduled games.
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The following trades will be disallowed:
1. Any trade in which either party does not intend to improve his own team. If your trade is questioned, be prepared to explain why you think your team is improved.
2. Any trade involving cash or other considerations beyond the players named in the trade.
3. Any trade involving a pre-arranged agreement to trade additional players in the future.
4. Any trade involving the “trade-back” of a player from Team B to Team A after he had previously been traded from Team A to Team B.
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***TANKING***
Tanking is intentionally starting players who you think will score less points in order to let your opponent win. Tanking is cheating and grounds for dismissal from the league and forfeiture of all fees.
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***GIVING UP***
By joining this league, you have agreed to compete for the duration of the season. Just because your team is not performing to expectations does not remove this obligation. Frequently, the teams you are playing against are fighting for playoff positioning and you are expected to submit a weekly lineup and make every effort to win. Leaving players in your starting lineup who are on byes is unacceptable. No one can be forced to make add/drops since there is a fee to do so. Setting a starting lineup is free and is expected.
Each owner will be assessed a $5.00 penalty for each “bye” player left in their starting lineup. Exception: A situation may arise where you wish to take a “0” at a position for one week rather than dropping a player who you consider more valuable than a one week fill-in. If the decision is made on these grounds, you must OK it with the commissioner ahead of time and the penalty will be waived. The penalty is not in place to prevent an owner from taking a calculated risk such as this, it is in place to keep a disinterested owner from compromising the integrity of the league.
They may not be perfect, but there haven't been any issues of that nature since they've been in place.
COLLUSION will not be tolerated. Collusion, simply put as it relates to this league, is 2 owners making a deal to improve one team at the expense of the other. Collusion is cheating and will be considered grounds for dismissal from the league, and forfeiture of entry fees. If a team is dismissed, the roster will be frozen, with no f/a moves or trades for the remainder of the season. Depending on the situation, the team may be taken over by the commissioner, or a league average or similar method may be used for remaining scheduled games.
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The following trades will be disallowed:
1. Any trade in which either party does not intend to improve his own team. If your trade is questioned, be prepared to explain why you think your team is improved.
2. Any trade involving cash or other considerations beyond the players named in the trade.
3. Any trade involving a pre-arranged agreement to trade additional players in the future.
4. Any trade involving the “trade-back” of a player from Team B to Team A after he had previously been traded from Team A to Team B.
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***TANKING***
Tanking is intentionally starting players who you think will score less points in order to let your opponent win. Tanking is cheating and grounds for dismissal from the league and forfeiture of all fees.
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***GIVING UP***
By joining this league, you have agreed to compete for the duration of the season. Just because your team is not performing to expectations does not remove this obligation. Frequently, the teams you are playing against are fighting for playoff positioning and you are expected to submit a weekly lineup and make every effort to win. Leaving players in your starting lineup who are on byes is unacceptable. No one can be forced to make add/drops since there is a fee to do so. Setting a starting lineup is free and is expected.
Each owner will be assessed a $5.00 penalty for each “bye” player left in their starting lineup. Exception: A situation may arise where you wish to take a “0” at a position for one week rather than dropping a player who you consider more valuable than a one week fill-in. If the decision is made on these grounds, you must OK it with the commissioner ahead of time and the penalty will be waived. The penalty is not in place to prevent an owner from taking a calculated risk such as this, it is in place to keep a disinterested owner from compromising the integrity of the league.
They may not be perfect, but there haven't been any issues of that nature since they've been in place.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
most important thing is to have a clause COMMISH reserves right to remove any owner
at any time! i won;t tolerate any collision in my leagues. In fact I dont tolerate anything. I offer 250 bonus money per league to win. And free website! I feel I have that right to replace who I want to replace when I need to. Never had to kick out anyone on collision yet in 15 years! I;ve kicked out a lot of losers for other reason though! haha not paying on time is by far the biggest reason!
at any time! i won;t tolerate any collision in my leagues. In fact I dont tolerate anything. I offer 250 bonus money per league to win. And free website! I feel I have that right to replace who I want to replace when I need to. Never had to kick out anyone on collision yet in 15 years! I;ve kicked out a lot of losers for other reason though! haha not paying on time is by far the biggest reason!
Shrek
Having a great season
One other provision we have is a Rules Committee. It's a 12 owner league, and we have 3 owners who are voted onto the Rules Committee each year. We do this vote at the fantasy draft. Then we have the Rules Committee meeting on te day of the NFL Draft. As Commissioner, I attend the meeting to bring up discussion points and present votes, but the actual voting is done by the three committee members (I abstain).
While I think every league deserves and needs a strong Commissioner, I definitely don't think you need total autonomy to run it successfully. I personally find that involving the Rules Committee makes each member feel that they have more of a say in what's going on. Plus, it invites new ideas and proposals that keep the league innovative and fresh.
While I think every league deserves and needs a strong Commissioner, I definitely don't think you need total autonomy to run it successfully. I personally find that involving the Rules Committee makes each member feel that they have more of a say in what's going on. Plus, it invites new ideas and proposals that keep the league innovative and fresh.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Very well put,Much of this will be added to our constitution next year. Never thought we'd have a problem with collusion, but it has reared it's ugly head this week.
Just thought I'd point out that there's quite a bit of inconsistency in your collusion terminology.Purposely submitting an illegal lineup is not secretive, nor does it involve two or more parties. Everyone can see your lineup, and only one team controls it. Same with purposely losing by submitting a sub-optimal lineup. Everyone can see when you're not playing your best guys. It only becomes collusion if the motivation for it is some sort of under-the-table kickback such as I've bolded above.
Now you may wish to prohibit these behaviors in your league even absent the secret kickback element, but then it's not collusion, it's tanking.
Similarly, player sharing ought to be prohibited even if both owners are completely upfront about their intentions, and aren't being at all secretive. My league dealt with this once, but never was the term collusion affixed to the situation. It's not collusion, it's player sharing, so just call it what it is.
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Not to hijack but to veer down the Keeper/Dynasty road,,,I'm trying to lure last place teams in my keeper league to trade me their first round talent that they can't keep next year for some talent on my team that will be worth more next year. Example: I drafted Braylon Edwards in the 5th and he will count against next years 4th round which will be good value if he gets a QB that will throw more accurately and he gets an easier schedule and he stops dropping balls. I'm trying to get first round guys like Addai who can't be kept next year.
So is it just part of the game of Dynasty/Keeper that the last place teams start tanking (not playing for this year) and sell off their players for a better chance next year??? It just feels a little dirty coming from my redraft mindset.
So is it just part of the game of Dynasty/Keeper that the last place teams start tanking (not playing for this year) and sell off their players for a better chance next year??? It just feels a little dirty coming from my redraft mindset.
Considering that very same sort of thing happens in real football, I'm going to say you're fine here.
Genester
Footballguy
From our Constitution:
"Trades will be allowed, as long as there is no collusion between trading partners, and as long as neither owner is dumping player(s) or is determined to be grossly negligent with respect to the welfare of his team. Collusion is defined as a secret activity or agreement by two or more owners for the purpose of fraud. Gross negligence is defined as an intentional failure to perform a duty to compete, reckless disregard of the consequences as affecting the competitive ability of the league. Collusion and gross negligence are notoriously difficult to prove. As such, it is highly likely the vast majority of all trades will be allowed to go through, even those which may not seem “fair” to some of the owners. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the league conducted a lengthy discussion followed by a vote to determine whether the above rule is adequate as is. A significant majority (77%) re-affirmed this rule. It is therefore expected all owners understand collusion and gross negligence definitions and abide by the rule."
"Trades will be allowed, as long as there is no collusion between trading partners, and as long as neither owner is dumping player(s) or is determined to be grossly negligent with respect to the welfare of his team. Collusion is defined as a secret activity or agreement by two or more owners for the purpose of fraud. Gross negligence is defined as an intentional failure to perform a duty to compete, reckless disregard of the consequences as affecting the competitive ability of the league. Collusion and gross negligence are notoriously difficult to prove. As such, it is highly likely the vast majority of all trades will be allowed to go through, even those which may not seem “fair” to some of the owners. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the league conducted a lengthy discussion followed by a vote to determine whether the above rule is adequate as is. A significant majority (77%) re-affirmed this rule. It is therefore expected all owners understand collusion and gross negligence definitions and abide by the rule."
Road Warriors
Footballguy
A keeper league I am commissioner of had this issue earlie... a 1-7 team dealt some top talent for a top keeper option next year. Some of the league #####ed, and I did quesion the parties involved to explain their motivation, but both parties have acted in a way they believe improves their team, either for the current season or for the future, and that is all we can ask. As long as the team making deals for the future still puts out his best team every week, even if it has been somewhat lessened by his moves for the future, there is nothing wrong with it.
Nemesis
Footballguy
I think you might have gotten this part from me (or vice versa) as that is what I have had in my rules word for word as far back as I can remember. I do like most of the other paragraph and might have to add that also.
Irish1995
Footballguy
SECTION 2. Ethics
Losing Intentionally
ARTICLE 1. a. Losing intentionally is prohibited and could be grounds for dismissal from the league or reduction of draft picks.
Collusion
ARTICLE 2. a. Collusion is not permitted. Each owner will try to win through the efforts of his or her team only. Collusion is demonstrated by any transaction or series of transactions that works to the exclusive benefit of one team and the detriment of the other, or any series of transactions that amount to two or more teams pooling their rosters.
b. A transaction done solely to aid another team who plays a rival does not constitute showing a benefit, and is a clear cut example of collusion.
c. Borrowing players (making a trade with the intention of reversing the trade at a later date) is a form of collusion and is prohibited.
d. Releasing players without benefiting your team can be ruled as collusion and may be disallowed by the MFFL Rules Council.
Participation
ARTICLE 3. a. Once you make a commitment to play in the league your participation is expected. Failure to participate may result in action by the Rules Council. This action may include dismissal from the league. (See also Section 3. Article 1. d.)
b. Participation is defined, at a minimum, as submitting lineups each week.
Losing Intentionally
ARTICLE 1. a. Losing intentionally is prohibited and could be grounds for dismissal from the league or reduction of draft picks.
Collusion
ARTICLE 2. a. Collusion is not permitted. Each owner will try to win through the efforts of his or her team only. Collusion is demonstrated by any transaction or series of transactions that works to the exclusive benefit of one team and the detriment of the other, or any series of transactions that amount to two or more teams pooling their rosters.
b. A transaction done solely to aid another team who plays a rival does not constitute showing a benefit, and is a clear cut example of collusion.
c. Borrowing players (making a trade with the intention of reversing the trade at a later date) is a form of collusion and is prohibited.
d. Releasing players without benefiting your team can be ruled as collusion and may be disallowed by the MFFL Rules Council.
Participation
ARTICLE 3. a. Once you make a commitment to play in the league your participation is expected. Failure to participate may result in action by the Rules Council. This action may include dismissal from the league. (See also Section 3. Article 1. d.)
b. Participation is defined, at a minimum, as submitting lineups each week.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
anyone found colluding will be identified, and the entire league will drive to that person's home and punch them in the face, preferably in front of their kids.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ditto.Drive over to his house, knock on his door, punch him in the face in front of his wife and kids.It's a highly effective deterrent.But we also have a league bylaw no douchebags may join the league, so we've never had to enforce the collusion rule.
DropKick
Footballguy
The real issue here is NOT collusion. It is restrictive keeper rules that encourage people to make otherwise irrational decisions. Your league suxor because of it.
Any league in which rosters carry over from year to year (partial keeper or full dynasty) will inherently encourage this type of strategy for the handful of teams that are hopelessly behind in the standings at this stage of the season.The strategy is not at all irrational, nor does the league automatically "suxor". Unless you think the NFL also "suxor".
Good Lord, people...constitutions...really?!? If you've got guys colluding, why would a constitution help? That's kind of like when Neville Chamberlain signed the treaty with Hitler...or Clinton having North Korea sign an agreement not to build nuclear weapons...or Obama with Iran (just a novel prediction). Corruption is only avoided via integrity and if you've got collusion, integrity was gone long ago. What's funny is we have a guy in our league that made the ridiculous claim of collusion between me and another guy. Trades are common in our league, but after I bought high on LJ as my RB keeper prior to the draft, had buyer's remorse, and then sold low after week 2...both with the same guy, though I entertained lesser offers from others...our buddy claimed collusion. Ridiculous...and what does he do, but a few weeks later makes a blatant trade with another guy and essentially admits they're in it together.Look...I'm not in it to put another guy's name on the trophy, and it'll sure as hell take more than hundreds of dollars to sway my integrity. Maybe y'all are running $1,000,000 pots...but your COLLUSION is probably more like PARANOIA in most instances...but if you actually have collusion then you might as well shut down the league...it's corrupt, nontrusting, and not without collateral damage...
daveandken
Footballguy
What a strange post.Two things - one, you claim that you are in a league where two teams admit "they're in it together", and yet you suggest that "if you actually have collusion then you might as well shut down the league". So are you quitting your league? Sure doesn't sound like it. Wierd.And two, the constitution is there for the gray areas. If you don't have a constitution then you are either not in a serious league, or you are setting yourself up for trouble when situations arise as they always do when people are competing at anything. People's natural competitive drive causes them to subconsiously try to do whatever they can to win - and that's where you run into the gray area. Your "paranoia" may be someone else's "collusion". Which is why there needs to be a constitution to spell it out.
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Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
Actually these hybrid/draft value keeper leagues are among my favorites! And I am guilty every year of makeing trades that just wouldn't be seen as normal in a normal redraft or dynasty league! These leagues are one of a kind! It is imprtant to impose a reasonable trade deadline so it doesn;t get too carried away! I just traded Rodgers, Carlson, and Bruce all with decent lifetime keeper values for non keepersGates, Randy Moss and Freotte. What it did was help us both! It gave the owner having a terrible year hope for future and gave me a better chance to make a run for the title this year. In a normal league this would look bad. Fugureing in keeper values its a perfectly even trade.
