Collusion (1 Viewer)

[Northbound Train]

Guys...please give me your quick .02 and vote.

Mods...please move to appropriate forum if this is not the right one. All I ask is that allow 100 votes or Wednesday at Midnight before moving. The other forums just don't get enough action.

Team A + B are roommates and very good friends...this is a money league.

Team A (5-5) deals Vikings DST to Team B (4-6) for Lawrence Tynes...

Yep...why am I even bringing this to the Shark Pool.

Well Team A is out of cash to bid and has Mike Nugent who was just placed on IR

Team B only has Tynes as a K...

I imagine he will pick one up and probably drop the 27th ranked DST in our league...regardless if he does that or not he's dealing his only K to his roommate whom is out of cash and has NUgent, now on IR

With 6 teams making the playoffs in our league, and 2 teams with an 8-2 and 7-3 record these teams very much are in the playoff/wildcard hunt.

If this isn't collusion then I certainly have no idea what would be...

Thoughts....TIA

 

[Northbound Train]

SOB...lol

How do you add a poll...thought I had it

 

[Clifford]

Mods, please don't waste any time in moving or deleting this thread.

 

[Wrigley]

don't think you're going to get 100 votes here either

But it does look like two teams using their rosters to help one team out.

COLLUSION.

 

[pantagrapher]

That's not collusion. That's a trade. He might technically be "helping out" a team that's in a bind, but that team is giving him something in return.

 

[Black]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.

It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

 

[Northbound Train]

Mods, please don't waste any time in moving or deleting this thread.

I reply to everyone of these that come up daily. It's Tuesday....can you give me a break for a day or so

 

[FantasyTrader]

Who does team B have for their other defense and where are the Vikings currently ranked?

 

[bshell27]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

 

[Please See Mine]

COLLUSION! DISBAND THE LEAGUE!

 

[Northbound Train]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

Then what would constitute collusion One guy is out of blind bid cash, has his K now on IR and his buddy is trading him his ONLY K....and then will pick one up and I'd bet (based on his roster) drop that Vikes DSt who is 5th last in our league...

 

[Northbound Train]

Who does team B have for their other defense and where are the Vikings currently ranked?

Team B has Bucs and Vikes are ranked 27th

 

[Please See Mine]

Scoring System?

 

[thecardiackid]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

if it was MN D for AP, then i'd be angry. let it go. it's not worth irritating the FF gods - especially this time of year.and a ww system like that - where after you spend your bucks or whatever - you cant even pu a friggin kicker?

 

[JbizzleMan]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.

It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

if it was MN D for AP, then i'd be angry. let it go. it's not worth irritating the FF gods - especially this time of year.

and a ww system like that - where after you spend your bucks or whatever - you cant even pu a friggin kicker?

My league has limits on acquisitions, but you are allowed to purchase more in situations like this.

 

[Limp Ditka]

'Don't Care' option seems to be missing.

 

[paulbertini]

Perhaps collusion, but its not veto worthy. He may be helping his buddy out, but hes also taking advantage of him not being able to pick up a kicker. The defensive pairing schedule actually works good. When Min faces GB, TB plays SF. When MIN faces NYG, TB plays WAS and when MIN plays PHI TB plays Sea.

11 TB 11/21/10 4:05pm @SF

12 MIN 11/28/10 1:00pm @WAS

13 MIN 12/05/10 1:00pm BUF

14 TB 12/12/10 1:00pm @WAS

15 MIN 12/20/10 8:30pm CHI

16 TB 12/26/10 1:00pm SEA

 

[FantasyTrader]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

I'm normally EXTREMELY quick to jump on the not-collusion bandwagon but I think this is one of the few rare instances that collusion is almost certainly the answer here. "It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but..." No buts. This is clearly a rent-a-kicker situation without giving up anything of value in return. Personally, I'd make team B articulate how he thinks the Vikings defense improve his overall team. What matchup left on the Vikes schedule are you liking and what week will you be starting them?

 

[_lurker_]

say nothing to any league mates. If the guy drops MIN DEF *this* week, then it was clearly collusion. You can't drop the only player you get in a trade immediately, otherwise, what was the point?

 

[_lurker_]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with...

Isn't that one of the clear definitions of collusion?

 

[footballnerd]

You should of held out on this poll until he dropped MIN D, then you might have a good case. Dropping a player you just traded for def is cause for concern. Until then this is premature.

 

[Mello]

Looks like two teams making a trade to improve each other. One needs a kicker the other is looking for a defense to match with TB. I see nothing wrong that would cause me to veto.

 

[FantasyTrader]

say nothing to any league mates. If the guy drops MIN DEF *this* week, then it was clearly collusion. You can't drop the only player you get in a trade immediately, otherwise, what was the point?

On second thought, this is great advice. Say nothing and see how it plays out. If Team B starts the Vikings (even ONCE) the rest of the year, you can't really claim collusion because he at least used the one commodity he got in return. If he immediately turns around and drops the Vikes, that tells the story.

 

[Northbound Train]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

I'm normally EXTREMELY quick to jump on the not-collusion bandwagon but I think this is one of the few rare instances that collusion is almost certainly the answer here. "It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but..." No buts. This is clearly a rent-a-kicker situation without giving up anything of value in return. Personally, I'd make team B articulate how he thinks the Vikings defense improve his overall team. What matchup left on the Vikes schedule are you liking and what week will you be starting them?

I'm always in those threads early on yelling NO COLLUSION as well...but this really has me questioning the Owners involved.Don't all leagues that use a Blind Bid type of waivers institute a policy that when you run out of cash, you are OUT...I noticed a couple responces opposite of this Isn't that the point of saving some bucks for situations like such

 

[netnalp]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

I'm normally EXTREMELY quick to jump on the not-collusion bandwagon but I think this is one of the few rare instances that collusion is almost certainly the answer here. "It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but..." No buts. This is clearly a rent-a-kicker situation without giving up anything of value in return. Personally, I'd make team B articulate how he thinks the Vikings defense improve his overall team. What matchup left on the Vikes schedule are you liking and what week will you be starting them?

I'm always in those threads early on yelling NO COLLUSION as well...but this really has me questioning the Owners involved.Don't all leagues that use a Blind Bid type of waivers institute a policy that when you run out of cash, you are OUT...I noticed a couple responces opposite of this Isn't that the point of saving some bucks for situations like such

My league process blind bids wed mornings, the first time each week that a claim can be put in. After that it's first come and there's no cost.

 

[MDSkinner]

Minny gets Buffalo at home in two weeks and then Chicago at home in 4. Couple that with the fact that they have 4 of their next 5 games at home and I think you can make a legit argument than having Minny Defense (even if 27th right now) over the next 5-6 weeks could be a very realistic strategy to improve ones team.

It is an easy case to make, IMO.

 

[brewer]

Not collusion.

Just to be clear, under your current rules team B is allowed to pick up no more players for the rest of the season? If so, I think this would be a good time to revisit your free agency rules as they seem to be broken.

 

[Northbound Train]

Not collusion.Just to be clear, under your current rules team B is allowed to pick up no more players for the rest of the season? If so, I think this would be a good time to revisit your free agency rules as they seem to be broken.

Everybody had $100 to start with...only two guys are out and several others have plenty of cash left. It's only broken for those two, they chose to empty the wallet and not save a buck or two for an injury to a K. 16 team rosters also...no excuse to be out of cash IMO.

 

[Mello]

My only other comment is that I think the trading deadline should have been last week since bye weeks are now over. Earlier the deadline the better to limit collusion.

 

[footballnerd]

Not collusion.Just to be clear, under your current rules team B is allowed to pick up no more players for the rest of the season? If so, I think this would be a good time to revisit your free agency rules as they seem to be broken.

we have this in our league too, one owner blew his wad on BJax at the beginning of the year and ran out of cash. he was SOL during the recent bye weeks for DEF. rules were laid out far in adv and its up to owners to budget themselves and be prepared

 

[Northbound Train]

My only other comment is that I think the trading deadline should have been last week since bye weeks are now over. Earlier the deadline the better to limit collusion.

Deadline is tomorrow at midnight

 

[brewer]

Not collusion.Just to be clear, under your current rules team B is allowed to pick up no more players for the rest of the season? If so, I think this would be a good time to revisit your free agency rules as they seem to be broken.

we have this in our league too, one owner blew his wad on BJax at the beginning of the year and ran out of cash. he was SOL during the recent bye weeks for DEF. rules were laid out far in adv and its up to owners to budget themselves and be prepared

Sounds like this guy was... he traded a crummy defense for a kicker.Seriously though, you would rather have a team play out the year without a kicker than tweak the rules to allow for situations like this?

 

[Northbound Train]

I'm getting the feeling that some are saying "no collusion" because of the players or lack of being involved.

I see it as a roommate helping his bud out cause he is stuck...even though MIN has a decent playoff schedule there are far better DST on the WW right now.

Per our league scoring these teams are available:

OAK 102. pts

Saints 93

Colts 79

Falcons 70

Those are just a few available.

Vikes have 53 pts on the year

 

[Northbound Train]

Not collusion.Just to be clear, under your current rules team B is allowed to pick up no more players for the rest of the season? If so, I think this would be a good time to revisit your free agency rules as they seem to be broken.

we have this in our league too, one owner blew his wad on BJax at the beginning of the year and ran out of cash. he was SOL during the recent bye weeks for DEF. rules were laid out far in adv and its up to owners to budget themselves and be prepared

Sounds like this guy was... he traded a crummy defense for a kicker.Seriously though, you would rather have a team play out the year without a kicker than tweak the rules to allow for situations like this?

Well...there is some strategy involved in the blind bid process. I mean if you want to blow your wad on a Brandon Jackson then you must deal with shortcomings like this. We all had $100, the rules has been in place for years and he decided to blow his wad...Am I supposed to give this guy a mulligan cause he opted not to save a buck or two for an injury So, to answer your question....YES

 

[belljr]

If this is collusion, I have done it 3 times this year.

My one league you are allowed 1 pickup a week, with byes and injuries sometimes you need more than 1 player to fill holes.

There have been backup te's traded for a marginal wr and then a pickup.

 

[Northbound Train]

If this is collusion, I have done it 3 times this year.My one league you are allowed 1 pickup a week, with byes and injuries sometimes you need more than 1 player to fill holes.There have been backup te's traded for a marginal wr and then a pickup.

That's somewhat difft...when you are only allowed 1 pickup a week things can be tough.We are essentially allowed 100 pickups if one would choose....and we have 16 team rosters so you can have depth at positions like TE if you choose so.

 

[Sweet Love]

It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but don't think you can prove it.

It's a KICKER and a crappy DEF. I'd let it go.

I'm normally EXTREMELY quick to jump on the not-collusion bandwagon but I think this is one of the few rare instances that collusion is almost certainly the answer here. "It might be a friend hooking up a friend with an innocuous trade, but..." No buts. This is clearly a rent-a-kicker situation without giving up anything of value in return. Personally, I'd make team B articulate how he thinks the Vikings defense improve his overall team. What matchup left on the Vikes schedule are you liking and what week will you be starting them?

Why does he have to start them in order for this trade to seem valid? I make minor deals all the time, dealing guys I would never start for other guys I do not plan on starting. The Minny D was top 3 going into the year. Sure they most likely won't turn things around, but trading a kicker when I could have a good defense that finally wakes up after a possible coaching change, is a pennies on the dollar investment. If I never start them, who cares??? I just gave up a kicker...

 

[King of the Wolfies]

i see teams do this all the time and have never seen anyone complain about it. most leagues dont like to see teams lose just because they are missing a kicker or defense.

 

[apalmer]

I'm getting the feeling that some are saying "no collusion" because of the players or lack of being involved.I see it as a roommate helping his bud out cause he is stuck...even though MIN has a decent playoff schedule there are far better DST on the WW right now.Per our league scoring these teams are available:OAK 102. ptsSaints 93Colts 79Falcons 70Those are just a few available.Vikes have 53 pts on the year

In my league, before Sunday's games, Chester Taylor, D. Ward, Sproles and Keiland Williams were all available. All of the others had scored at least twice as many points as Williams up to that point. Who was the best pickup for Sunday's game? Besdies, maybe he's trying to conserve his waiver money. He gets Minny without spending anything. If he picks up one of the others, it costs him $1. Wouldn't want to run out of cash, you know.

 

[Zegras11]

It's collusion if you don't allow the trade.

He had no cash. BFD.

He used another legal method to acquire a player.

Doesn't matter where MINN is ranked. If he has TB also, he gave up the ability to play best match ups.

 

[two_dollars]

If he drops the D right after the trade that's one thing.. if he keeps MIN on his roster, that's another. You have no clear idea what their intent is, so you have to let it play out. How you proceed depends on Team B. Give them enough rope and they might just hang themselves.

 

[Don Quixote]

I don't see it as collusion, and I don't care if he immediately drops the defense. If he thinks giving the other team a kicker improves his own chances of making the playoffs, then there is no collusion. I don't see it as any different from giving someone playing your division rival a reminder to set their lineup.

 

[T. Bagger]

I've been commishing a keeper league for about 20 years. I don't think there's anything to see here. One league mate helping another one out with an unforeseen roster issue. Not really a huge deal. I think with collusion (a very serious charge) there should be a quid pro quo type of thing, splitting winnings or something like that. Unless you suspect that's the case here, I personally wouldn't rock the league boat.

This sort of thing happens routinely 2-3 times a year in our league, although admittedly we are a little different in that we only allow waiver transactions every 4 weeks for a variety of reasons, and we are not a blind bidding league. Waiver order is based on record at the time. So, that would be my only hesitation in your case (that the guy made his own bed by not conserving cash). Our league is a $150 dollar entry fee league, but friendly and certainly not cutthroat enough to make an issue out of something like this.

That said, as far as the trade goes, the Minn def plays the Bears and Cutler in week 15, which is a juicy matchup in an important week, so I personally like the trade from that angle. However, even if he drops the D, my vote would be to let it go.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

A kicker and crap defense? This has to be a fishing trip.

 

[bcflyer]

So the guy ran out of money and got caught. He has to field a kicker so he acquired one by trading an asset. Not collusion. It was his only real choice at this point.

 

[Northbound Train]

So the guy ran out of money and got caught. He has to field a kicker so he acquired one by trading an asset. Not collusion. It was his only real choice at this point.

Correct...but his roommate traded him his only K for a craptastic DST

 

[squistion]

Looks clearly like collusion to me, but I am in 28% minority.

 

[Northbound Train]

A kicker and crap defense? This has to be a fishing trip.

YOu can't make this ##### up bud

 

[PatsFanCT]

Sure, it's collusion. But it's like driving 65 in a 55. Sure, it's speeding, but who cares?

 

[Northbound Train]

Thanks for the quick responces....I think otherwise but I'll roll with the masses