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Colts confirm they'll use backfield rotation (2 Viewers)

JohnnyU

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Coach Jim Caldwell confirmed that there will be "some sort of rotation" between Joseph Addai and Donald Brown this year, but that each runner's usage may be based on week-to-week matchups.

"It depends on...the type of defensive structure that you have to deal with," he said. Addai packs more power and wastes few steps, while Brown is more of a creative, shake-and-bake back. Addai could dominate touches versus smaller front sevens, with Brown playing more against slower, bigger ones. Aug. 12 - 7:03 pm et

Source: colts.com

 
When addai avgs about 3.4 ypc that distribution will shift toward Brown.
Careful JohnnyU, Switz is not going to like you putting a Fork in Addai, LOLJust messing with Switz, I value his opinion as a much as any on FBG, but him and I just dont see eye to eye on Addai and Brown.
 
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Addai packs more power
really worries me. Is there any way that Addai has more power than Brown? I will admit the only tape I have seen of Brown was on youtube but I have seen plenty of Addai and I just dont see JD having much power at all.
 
don't think any RB ever gets all the carries. saying there will be "some sort of rotation" doesn't seem all that informative. 95% touches for Addai and 5% of touches for Brown would fit that description.

 
I'm not sure about running with power, but...We know he can jump

He's a guy I thought was being overlooked by everybody. I would have been very happy to have him as my RB3 or as a guy to rotate in a flex spot. When healthy he's been very valuable, very solid total yards, lots of TDs. Between this and their LT situation I'm having some doubts.

 
don't think any RB ever gets all the carries. saying there will be "some sort of rotation" doesn't seem all that informative. 95% touches for Addai and 5% of touches for Brown would fit that description.
Not if you know the Colts. With the Colts it truly does mean a rotation. Think 2006, with the better performing back getting slightly more carries, but not much. 187 vs 226 rushes.
 
don't think any RB ever gets all the carries. saying there will be "some sort of rotation" doesn't seem all that informative. 95% touches for Addai and 5% of touches for Brown would fit that description.
Not if you know the Colts. With the Colts it truly does mean a rotation. Think 2006, with the better performing back getting slightly more carries, but not much. 187 vs 226 rushes.
Where he's going in drafts, a strict 60/40 split would be great. I took the quote & analysis more to mean that its going to vary from game to game. That kind of unpredictability is what has me uneasy.
 
Big Q is the oline.
True, but from a fantasy perspective Rhodes had some productive games last season despite their offensive line issues. If Rhodes can fare well, it seems to me Brown will be able to as well. For fantasy purposes, Brown's the value guy at the present time. His ADP is nearly four rounds lower than Addai's in 12-team drafts. If this becomes a 50-50 or 60-40 split (I think the latter is a pretty safe bet as the floor), Brown is the guy to target here in my opinion. If both are RB3s and you can get one four rounds later, that's the guy I'd be looking at. The only question I have is who gets the goal-line looks? My money's on Addai but again if Brown shows he can convert some early chances then that could change too.
 
Every year we see this scenario. A team drafts a more talented back while the veteran tries to hold him off. Addai just is not that good of a running back in my opinion. I think Addai will get the bulk of the carries early though because of the difficulty to learn everything Manning is doing with all the audibles, etc. Brown has to show that he understands the blitz pickups before getting any significant workload. But the second Addai gets dinged and sits for a few series is when we all see how much better Brown is. I suspect this plays out exactly like that. Addai 75/25 split early. Addai gets dinged. Brown excels. Split is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.

 
I was takin a break from doin hmwk and started doin some research on this (since I'm a Brown owner), figured I'd post my thoughts.

For 6 games last year (Week 9-14) Addai and Rhodes were both splitting touches. Check this out:

Colts Backfield, Week 9-14

Who was worth a fantasy start?

Addai Only: 1 Game (Week 11)

Rhodes Only: 2 Games (Week 10 & 14)

None Worthy: 2 Games (Week 9 & 13)

Both Worthy: 1 Game (Week 12)

Deeper Breakdown of Touches (Attempts and Receptions):

Week 9: 19 to 5 in Addai's Favor, (None Worthy)

Week 10: 14 to 9 in Addai's Favor, (Rhodes Only)

Week 11: 26 to 13 in Addai's Favor, (Addai Only)

Week 12: 23 to 12 in Addais' Favor, (Both Worthy)

Week 13: 16 to 11 in Addai's favor, (None Worthy)

Week 14: 12 to 13 in Rhodes Favor, (Rhodes Only)

Just health and age considered, you'd have to guess that Addai will be the hot hand early while he's fresh and while Brown is learning. As the season goes on, more wear and tear for Addai and more learning and comfort level for Brown, which should result in increased touches for Brown. I'm in a 2rb/3wr/3flex league, and Brown is on my bench. I don't expect him to be starting on my team much, not unless Addai has an injury or is completely ineffective (which I'm banking on as the year unfolds). Fact is the Colts are loyal to Addai. But this loyalty won't really disappear until BOTH of these things happen. 1) The Playoffs get closer and they feel pressure (to win, or to not lose), and 2). If Brown clearly gives Colts a better chance to win than Addai.

Another disturbing fact, the Colts running game isn't fantasy predictable. Take CJ and Lendale White. It's CJ's ball for 90 yards from the 5 to the 5. It's Lendale's ball for those other 10 yards of the field. Add to Lendale's touches the short yardage, some spelling here and there, and a heavier workload if they are leading in the 4th, and you pretty much know what to expect with the Titans run game fantasy wise. CJ will get you tons of yardage and receptions, hopefully a TD or two every other game, and Lendale will be a TD threat every game, hopefully sneak some good yardage in a game here or there.

Not nearly that easy for the Colts. If anyone watched Colts games last year, forget the Oline or whatever else excuse we have for a bad year by the running backs. If you add their stats you get about 1000 yards rushing and about 500 receiving and 16 TDs. If the workload wasn't perfectly split we'd be more looking at 1 fantasy stud with about 800 Rushing, 50 receptions, 300 Receiving, maybe 10-12 TDs which is very respectable.

But what really matters is how the Colts use their RB rotation. Last year they'd rotate the RBs by offensive POSSESSION, which isn't nearly as predictable as the Titans, who rotate by field position and situation. Colts would take turns 1 possession on 1 possession off, sometimes two on and two off. As the game went on, and the possessions got longer, they'd start rotating by SERIES. 4-8 Downs for Addai, 4-8 Downs for Rhodes.

Translation, unlike the Titans, the Colts running game will be guesswork all year until one of them gets injured. Not sure if this philosophy about RB rotation will carry through from last year though cuz of their coaching changes.

 
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Every year we see this scenario. A team drafts a more talented back while the veteran tries to hold him off. Addai just is not that good of a running back in my opinion. I think Addai will get the bulk of the carries early though because of the difficulty to learn everything Manning is doing with all the audibles, etc. Brown has to show that he understands the blitz pickups before getting any significant workload. But the second Addai gets dinged and sits for a few series is when we all see how much better Brown is. I suspect this plays out exactly like that. Addai 75/25 split early. Addai gets dinged. Brown excels. Split is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
Why is Brown better again? He certainly isn't a better athlete.
 
Every year we see this scenario. A team drafts a more talented back while the veteran tries to hold him off. Addai just is not that good of a running back in my opinion. I think Addai will get the bulk of the carries early though because of the difficulty to learn everything Manning is doing with all the audibles, etc. Brown has to show that he understands the blitz pickups before getting any significant workload. But the second Addai gets dinged and sits for a few series is when we all see how much better Brown is. I suspect this plays out exactly like that. Addai 75/25 split early. Addai gets dinged. Brown excels. Split is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
What is it specifically that you think makes Brown a significantly better RB?
 
Every year we see this scenario. A team drafts a more talented back while the veteran tries to hold him off. Addai just is not that good of a running back in my opinion. I think Addai will get the bulk of the carries early though because of the difficulty to learn everything Manning is doing with all the audibles, etc. Brown has to show that he understands the blitz pickups before getting any significant workload. But the second Addai gets dinged and sits for a few series is when we all see how much better Brown is. I suspect this plays out exactly like that. Addai 75/25 split early. Addai gets dinged. Brown excels. Split is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
From your keyboard to Gods ears DD... :thumbup:
 
David Dodds said:
Every year we see this scenario. A team drafts a more talented back while the veteran tries to hold him off. Addai just is not that good of a running back in my opinion. I think Addai will get the bulk of the carries early though because of the difficulty to learn everything Manning is doing with all the audibles, etc. Brown has to show that he understands the blitz pickups before getting any significant workload. But the second Addai gets dinged and sits for a few series is when we all see how much better Brown is. I suspect this plays out exactly like that. Addai 75/25 split early. Addai gets dinged. Brown excels. Split is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
Good post. Came in here to post the same thing. I won't have Addai on any of my teams and wasn't a fan of his before they drafted Brown. Its only a matter of time.
 
David Dodds said:
Every year we see this scenario. A team drafts a more talented back while the veteran tries to hold him off. Addai just is not that good of a running back in my opinion. I think Addai will get the bulk of the carries early though because of the difficulty to learn everything Manning is doing with all the audibles, etc. Brown has to show that he understands the blitz pickups before getting any significant workload. But the second Addai gets dinged and sits for a few series is when we all see how much better Brown is. I suspect this plays out exactly like that. Addai 75/25 split early. Addai gets dinged. Brown excels. Split is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
David, I'm surprised to hear you say this. I wouldn't say Brown is as talented as Addai, much less more talented than Addai. What is it about Brown that makes you think he's more talented?I will buy 100% that Brown is more durable, but more talented? No way in hades.

 
plit is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
80/20 seems WAY high. In Addai's rookie year Rhodes had 17, 11, 23, 3, 9 touches the last 5 games while Addai had 21, 16, 20, 7, 5. This was with JA averaging 1.4 y/c more than Rhodes on the season and 1.4 y/r as well and scoring more TDs. It was clear that Addai was the better back and it never got close to an 80/20 split between the two. Unless Addai is injured, and not just dinged, I don't see the spread widening this much.
 
Addai and Brown will get enough touches to be starter worthy (RB3) but it's all about the goal line looks. Right now it sounds like Addai is that guy and it gives him the upside if he can stay healthy. That would make Addai a nice value pick. If not, Brown could end up being the guy in Indy and give some fantasy teams a big boost late in the season.

 
plit is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
80/20 seems WAY high. In Addai's rookie year Rhodes had 17, 11, 23, 3, 9 touches the last 5 games while Addai had 21, 16, 20, 7, 5. This was with JA averaging 1.4 y/c more than Rhodes on the season and 1.4 y/r as well and scoring more TDs. It was clear that Addai was the better back and it never got close to an 80/20 split between the two. Unless Addai is injured, and not just dinged, I don't see the spread widening this much.
To quoe what coach Caldwell says in the Colts camp update on NFL.com
The years that we've been really effective, obviously we've had someone who can just take a little bit of the load off the guy who is, um, you know, carrying the ball the majority of the time. So when Edge was here, obviously Dominic sort of helped Edge with that part of the game. And then also obviously with Joseph, uh, Dom and him teamed together and worked well, we anticipate the same things will happen obviously with the backs we have here now, Joseph and, uh, Donald Brown, and we have some other backs coming along well.
Here's how I read it. They expect one guy to carry it the majority of the time.In each grouping, they named the starter first (Edge/Dom, Addai/Dom) and so, at least now, in Caldwell's mind, Addai (named first among current RBs) is going to be the starter, and Brown will spell him. This isn't going to be 50-50, more like 65-35, even 70-30.

 
In each grouping, they named the starter first (Edge/Dom, Addai/Dom) and so, at least now, in Caldwell's mind, Addai (named first among current RBs) is going to be the starter, and Brown will spell him. This isn't going to be 50-50, more like 65-35, even 70-30.
I can definately see a 65-35 split, maybe even a 70-30 but I would venture that happens only if one guys just blows the other away (which I think is unlikely) or there is significant injury issues. But 80-20?
 
plit is 50/50 for a week or two before team makes Brown the #1 and the split goes 80/20 to Brown.
80/20 seems WAY high. In Addai's rookie year Rhodes had 17, 11, 23, 3, 9 touches the last 5 games while Addai had 21, 16, 20, 7, 5. This was with JA averaging 1.4 y/c more than Rhodes on the season and 1.4 y/r as well and scoring more TDs. It was clear that Addai was the better back and it never got close to an 80/20 split between the two. Unless Addai is injured, and not just dinged, I don't see the spread widening this much.
To quoe what coach Caldwell says in the Colts camp update on NFL.com
The years that we've been really effective, obviously we've had someone who can just take a little bit of the load off the guy who is, um, you know, carrying the ball the majority of the time. So when Edge was here, obviously Dominic sort of helped Edge with that part of the game. And then also obviously with Joseph, uh, Dom and him teamed together and worked well, we anticipate the same things will happen obviously with the backs we have here now, Joseph and, uh, Donald Brown, and we have some other backs coming along well.
Here's how I read it. They expect one guy to carry it the majority of the time.In each grouping, they named the starter first (Edge/Dom, Addai/Dom) and so, at least now, in Caldwell's mind, Addai (named first among current RBs) is going to be the starter, and Brown will spell him. This isn't going to be 50-50, more like 65-35, even 70-30.
we can make all the guesses about the carry splits but all that goes out the window once the games start and what will matter at the end of the day is the on field production. If one is a lot better than the other they will likely earn a bigger slice of the pie, it's that simple. It's all about winning and who gives the team the best opportunity to win the game. The bad thing for Addai is now his competition is D. Brown as opposed to a journeyman/scrub like D. Rhodes. The fact that it's knowingly going to start as a job share means that Brown will have the opportunity right off the bat to get the ball in his hands and make plays. In other situations where there is a clearly defined starter the new guy needs to wait for their opportunity or really shine on the few touches per game that they get. Not good for Addai IMO.

 
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Sounds like a nightmare to deal with...I'm not going to waste my time on either guy.
I'm actually thinking the opposite.. If you can get Addai in the 5th & Brown in the 7th-8th.. I think you have the potential to have a great #2 RB with late picks. If they do end up splitting 50-50 it may not work out but if one of those guys got hurt - then you would be golden..I think Brown may be the better value if you only can get one but I'm starting to warm up to the idea of grabbing both & hoping one of them takes over & runs with it..thoughts on drafting both?
 
Sounds like a nightmare to deal with...I'm not going to waste my time on either guy.
I'm actually thinking the opposite.. If you can get Addai in the 5th & Brown in the 7th-8th.. I think you have the potential to have a great #2 RB with late picks. If they do end up splitting 50-50 it may not work out but if one of those guys got hurt - then you would be golden..I think Brown may be the better value if you only can get one but I'm starting to warm up to the idea of grabbing both & hoping one of them takes over & runs with it..thoughts on drafting both?
You talk about 5th and 7th-8th round picks like they aren't worth a lot. They are.
 
Sounds like a nightmare to deal with...I'm not going to waste my time on either guy.
I'm actually thinking the opposite.. If you can get Addai in the 5th & Brown in the 7th-8th.. I think you have the potential to have a great #2 RB with late picks. If they do end up splitting 50-50 it may not work out but if one of those guys got hurt - then you would be golden..I think Brown may be the better value if you only can get one but I'm starting to warm up to the idea of grabbing both & hoping one of them takes over & runs with it..thoughts on drafting both?
You talk about 5th and 7th-8th round picks like they aren't worth a lot. They are.
cool. thanks..
 

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