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Colts LB's exposed...again (1 Viewer)

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After watching the first few series, it is painfully obvious that Brackett is not the answer at MLB. Not that Morris is any better but Dunn with one cut had an open lane all night.It appears as if Gardner has replaced Nelson as the nickel backer. Pope looked solid in space as did Gardner but that was more against the pocket passing of Schuab (who impressed me again).Well back to my recording of the 2nd halfTom

 
Any word on David Thornton moving back to the weakside? Thornton was on his way to stardom in that role.

 
Any word on David Thornton moving back to the weakside? Thornton was on his way to stardom in that role.
They broke away from the WLB/SLB desognations before the 04 campaign. However, Thornton was everywhere. Not making alot of plays, just close to everything though.The LB's looked ALOT better vs Schuab than they did vs Vick.

I was suprised to see Gardner running with the first unit as much as I did. However, I cannot figure out who he replaced.

THEY NEED A STUD DT AND MLB

 
Any word on David Thornton moving back to the weakside? Thornton was on his way to stardom in that role.
I was suprised to see Gardner running with the first unit as much as I did. However, I cannot figure out who he replaced.
I would assume Gardner replaced June. June started the game at WLB.
 
Any word on David Thornton moving back to the weakside?  Thornton was on his way to stardom in that role.
I was suprised to see Gardner running with the first unit as much as I did. However, I cannot figure out who he replaced.
I would assume Gardner replaced June. June started the game at WLB.
It wasn't that easy. Even though June started they used 4 LB's very evenly throughout the first two series with Vick in there. Just struck me as odd that Gardner seemed replace all three of them at one time or another depending on down and distance.Tom

 
Any word on David Thornton moving back to the weakside? Thornton was on his way to stardom in that role.
I was suprised to see Gardner running with the first unit as much as I did. However, I cannot figure out who he replaced.
I would assume Gardner replaced June. June started the game at WLB.
It wasn't that easy. Even though June started they used 4 LB's very evenly throughout the first two series with Vick in there. Just struck me as odd that Gardner seemed replace all three of them at one time or another depending on down and distance.Tom
Ahhhh...I got ya now.Maybe Gardner was playing the "shadow" or "spy" position (...or whatever it's called). If I remember correctly, I think some opponents last year used their most athletic defenseman to mirror Vick in an effort to deter him from scrambling.

 
Any word on David Thornton moving back to the weakside? Thornton was on his way to stardom in that role.
I was suprised to see Gardner running with the first unit as much as I did. However, I cannot figure out who he replaced.
I would assume Gardner replaced June. June started the game at WLB.
It wasn't that easy. Even though June started they used 4 LB's very evenly throughout the first two series with Vick in there. Just struck me as odd that Gardner seemed replace all three of them at one time or another depending on down and distance.Tom
Ahhhh...I got ya now.Maybe Gardner was playing the "shadow" or "spy" position (...or whatever it's called). If I remember correctly, I think some opponents last year used their most athletic defenseman to mirror Vick in an effort to deter him from scrambling.
The other possibility is that the coaching staff wanted to see Gardner play all the positions to get a better idea what he can do and where he best can help the D.
 
The other possibility is that the coaching staff wanted to see Gardner play all the positions to get a better idea what he can do and where he best can help the D.
I understood that Indy/Dungy was trying to get Gardner & Pope on the field more this yr. They have done some major shuffling in the Ind Def and with the issues at DB, rumors had it June was going to SS and Gardner to WLB. I picked up Garnder cheap in March with the hope he'd get a good shot at starting. Maybe not such a gamble!!

 
rumors had it June was going to SS and Gardner to WLB.
I have never heard that from a reliable source. It was thrown out on this board many times by several people as a possibility because June played safety in college. I think people on this board started the "rumor."June will not be moving to safety. I have heard no reports of him taking any reps in the secondary in camp. They moved a corner to safety to get some help at that position, and with their LBs as poor as they are, June will not be moving to SS only to leave the LB corp even more pathetic. Even if June cannot hold the starting job, they would keep him at backup and he would still see the field fairly often especially in the nickle and dime. He grew into one of their better pass defending LBs late last year.

 
June looked way to big to be safety to me.And with Doss and Sanders, it seems his value is greater at LB for them.

 
I think 1 of the reason the Rumor had any substance was the height issue of the Indy DB's .... most are 5'8" or so and June is 6'1" (IIRC). That was a big advantage the Colts were giving up. I have not heard of June taking any time at SS or FS for that matter, but they were talking about a major shuffling of the Colts Def in general. June could lose a bit of weight and take a DB role (he has the speed). It would put more pressure on Pope and Gardner.Time will tell. But 1 thing is for certain.... the Colts Def will not be a Top 15 again this year if they continue as they did vs ATL.

 
June going back to SS makes sense to me. The Colts are paper thin in the defensive backfield at all 4 positions. And while the LB isnt much better, they are still in better shape all around in terms of depth.Who the heck knows what is going to happen though. They have way too many holes to run Dungy's cover 2 scheme.

 
Everyone who has G. Gardner has to like how he led his team in tackles against the Falcons. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20050806_IND@ATL

When I watched the game, it looked as if C. June was confused and hesitant on passing situations. I think his flaws were exposed in the game and you better believe the defensive coordinator saw his inabilities in the game. Cato June owners better sell his value high as we speak or it will be too late.

You will see Gardner as a starter in game 1 or mix of the two between him and June. By midseason, it will be Gardner as the lone-starter at WLB for the Colts. Write it down!

RAPTURE

 
I know the LBs looked bad, but they had ZERO starters on the DL for Saturday's game. So, it is too early to judge them yet. The Colts looked awful (both O and D) in the pre-season last year, too.

 
June going back to SS makes sense to me. The Colts are paper thin in the defensive backfield at all 4 positions. And while the LB isnt much better, they are still in better shape all around in terms of depth.

Who the heck knows what is going to happen though. They have way too many holes to run Dungy's cover 2 scheme.
June's not moving to safety. They have Sanders/Joseph Jefferson and Doss (after the 1st 2 game). They will be fine at safety. No reason to move someone from their weakest position, which is LB, to their 2nd strongest D position, which is safety. Colt's D - from best positions to worst: (. meaning gaps).

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Brackett supposedly started at MLB ........ how did he look? Did R Morris get any time at all? I didn't see any of teh game so looking for some help.Thx

 
Brackett supposedly started at MLB ........ how did he look? Did R Morris get any time at all? I didn't see any of teh game so looking for some help.

Thx
Brackett started and was completely overmatched. Dunn ran up the guy at will. Morris came in in the seond and looked like the Morris of old, a statue.If I could just get Dungy to put Pope at SLB, Thornton in the middle and Gardner on the weakside I would be a bit happier.

Tom

 
Brackett supposedly started at MLB ........ how did he look?  Did R Morris get any time at all?  I didn't see any of teh game so looking for some help.

Thx
Brackett started and was completely overmatched. Dunn ran up the guy at will. Morris came in in the seond and looked like the Morris of old, a statue.If I could just get Dungy to put Pope at SLB, Thornton in the middle and Gardner on the weakside I would be a bit happier.

Tom
I can live with that if you can work it out . Give Dungy a call and let him know what we would like - go Gardner !!
 
Colts | Gardner Leaves Practice EarlyTue, 9 Aug 2005 16:28:54 -0700Michael Marot, of the Associated Press, reports Indianapolis Colts LB Gilbert Gardner (heat) had to be carted off the field after dropping to one knee midway through practice, Tuesday, August 9, overcome by the heat.

 
So, what's everyone's best bet as to the LB depth chart on this team right about now?
If the season were to start today, thankfully it won't, I would say it would go like this.SLB Thornton, Pope

MLB Brackett, Morris, Hagler

WLB June, Gardner

Bracket and June on passing downs.

Since we still have a few weeks, I will not be suprised to see Garner and Morris win out.

Tom

 
So, what's everyone's best bet as to the LB depth chart on this team right about now?
If the season were to start today, thankfully it won't, I would say it would go like this.SLB Thornton, Pope

MLB Brackett, Morris, Hagler

WLB June, Gardner

Bracket and June on passing downs.

Since we still have a few weeks, I will not be suprised to see Garner and Morris win out.

Tom
I just finished watching the tape of the 1st qtr and Brackett, Pope and June started. Brackett and June were the nickel backers and believe me when I say they look better against the pass than they do vs the run. For the 2nd week in a row, Brackett cannot shed the blockers and June while always there, is just not there if you know what I mean.Those LB's better pray that Sanders does not get hurt caused he saved their collective butts by coming up and smacking the Bills at will.

Marlin Jackson impressed me too.

That secondary, with a healthy DL may help limit the exposure of a very week set of LB's.

What I wouldn't give for a Mike Singletary type

Tom

 
well, Game 2 is in the books. What do you think about the LB's now. I didn't see much of the game but I don't see a player among them. Brackett makes a couple of picks with very few tackles, Morris makes some tackles but slow as usual, Cato and Gilbert about the same .... any LB :wall: worth taking in an IDP for this year?

 
well, Game 2 is in the books. What do you think about the LB's now.

I didn't see much of the game but I don't see a player among them. Brackett makes a couple of picks with very few tackles, Morris makes some tackles but slow as usual, Cato and Gilbert about the same .... any LB :wall: worth taking in an IDP for this year?
As you saw last year on this very unit, a LB's numbers need not come from his actual, on-field dominance. As long as Cato June remains the starting WLB in this defense, he's one of my 3-4 starting LB's on my IDP squad.
 
Any update? Does JUNE still have the job over GARDNER?
There have been NO indications of Gardner surpassing June on the depth charts. June has started each preseason game w/o a hint of losing his job.Give it time. Gardner is simply a better football player. A passing of the WLB crown would not surprise anyone.

 
Anybody else see this? From KFFL:Colts | Pope SuspendedTue, 30 Aug 2005 17:43:41 -0700John Oehser, of Colts.com, reports Indianapolis Colts LB Kendyll Pope has been suspended by the NFL office, the club announced Tuesday, Aug. 30. The duration of the suspension was not immediately announced. "That's something we're not able to comment on," head coach Tony Dungy said. "I guess the league office would need to comment on that."

 
Anybody else see this?

From KFFL:

Colts | Pope Suspended

Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:43:41 -0700

John Oehser, of Colts.com, reports Indianapolis Colts LB Kendyll Pope has been suspended by the NFL office, the club announced Tuesday, Aug. 30. The duration of the suspension was not immediately announced. "That's something we're not able to comment on," head coach Tony Dungy said. "I guess the league office would need to comment on that."
Gone for the yearTom

 
So what does that mean for the starting lineup? Who is actually the starting linebackers as of now? June, Brackett and Thornton?

 
So what does that mean for the starting lineup? Who is actually the starting linebackers as of now? June, Brackett and Thornton?
Yes. Pope was supposed to back up Thorton and/or June.
 
So what does that mean for the starting lineup? Who is actually the starting linebackers as of now? June, Brackett and Thornton?
Yes. Pope was supposed to back up Thorton and/or June.
Pope was backing up Thornton, Morris had Brackett and Gardner had June. Who backs up Thornton now is anyones guess. They did place Hagler on the PUP so he is out the first 6 games

Tom

 
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So has Gardner played so poorly in the preseason and at camp that he wouldn't be the backup to June and or any other LB? A lot of people here feel pretty strongly that he has the talent and it was his injury last year that kept him from taking Junes position. Has his injury lingered on? Inquiring minds want to know ;)

 
So has Gardner played so poorly in the preseason and at camp that he wouldn't be the backup to June and or any other LB? A lot of people here feel pretty strongly that he has the talent and it was his injury last year that kept him from taking Junes position. Has his injury lingered on? Inquiring minds want to know ;)
Gardner's still the official backup of June. Some dude named Nick Hannah :confused: is now the backup of Thorton. :shock:
 
I can't believe that there's no thread on Corey Simon. Anyway, I have to think that his signing is an upgrade for that defense and will boost the LB's as a good DT is an LB's best friend.

 
After watching the first few series, it is painfully obvious that Brackett is not the answer at MLB. Not that Morris is any better but Dunn with one cut had an open lane all night.

It appears as if Gardner has replaced Nelson as the nickel backer. Pope looked solid in space as did Gardner but that was more against the pocket passing of Schuab (who impressed me again).

Well back to my recording of the 2nd half

Tom
The COLTS LB's as a unit played great last night. I thought Thornton had his best game in awhile and Brackett in coverage is great. If a guard gets to them they will have a hard time but if Tripplett/Simon can wreak havoc, these little/fast LB's may amount to something after all.Tom

 
This is thoughts from a poster on a Colts message board. He's a fan, but doesn't see things through rose-colored glasses by any stretch and I think he has been very astute about the Colts and their D over the years:

Couple things i checked out that is suprising.  We played Balt at the end of last year.  On our field last year, Balt ran 29 times(less than last night) for 160 yrds.  Last night they ran 36 times for 77 yrds. We changed two players, Simon and Brackett.Last year,our 2 leading tacklers were our safeties which means the rb's were getting into the secondary.  Last night, our 2 leading tacklers were our LBers.That tells you something right there.  That as much as anything points to improvement.
 
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This is thoughts from a poster on a Colts message board. He's a fan, but doesn't see things through rose-colored glasses by any stretch and I think he has been very astute about the Colts and their D over the years:

Couple things i checked out that is suprising.  We played Balt at the end of last year.  On our field last year, Balt ran 29 times(less than last night) for 160 yrds.  Last night they ran 36 times for 77 yrds.  We changed two players, Simon and Brackett.

Last year,our 2 leading tacklers were our safeties which means the rb's were getting into the secondary.  Last night, our 2 leading tacklers were our LBers.That tells you something right there.  That as much as anything points to improvement.
:goodposting: I need to pick up a LB in my dynasty league.

Do you think Brackett would be a decent pickup?

 
This is thoughts from a poster on a Colts message board.  He's a fan, but doesn't see things through rose-colored glasses by any stretch and I think he has been very astute about the Colts and their D over the years:

Couple things i checked out that is suprising.  We played Balt at the end of last year.  On our field last year, Balt ran 29 times(less than last night) for 160 yrds.  Last night they ran 36 times for 77 yrds.  We changed two players, Simon and Brackett.

Last year,our 2 leading tacklers were our safeties which means the rb's were getting into the secondary.  Last night, our 2 leading tacklers were our LBers.That tells you something right there.  That as much as anything points to improvement.
:goodposting: I need to pick up a LB in my dynasty league.

Do you think Brackett would be a decent pickup?
A MLB who stays in in passing situations? Yes.
 
:goodposting:

I need to pick up a LB in my dynasty league.

Do you think Brackett would be a decent pickup?
A MLB who stays in in passing situations? Yes.
I had him selected as my first pick in waivers. I picked last and I was thrilled that he fell to me yesterday :pickle:
 

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