Colts RBs (1 Viewer)

[Maurile Tremblay]

Between Addai and Brown, I can realistically see it going anywhere from a 2-1 advantage in carries to Addie to a 2-1 advantage in carries to Brown.

Obviously, it depends on how each one is playing, and that's impossible to predict right now. The Colts' coaches probably don't have a good idea right now, before training camp even starts, about how the carries will be split.

But if you had to guess, how do you see things unfolding this season?

I'm inclined to think Addai will get the bulk of the work early in the season, and will probably keep being the lead back as long as that's working out.

But Brown could do this year what Addai did in his rookie year, getting the more important carries as the season progresses. Brown is a tougher north-south runner than Addai, and will probably be the more effective goal-line back. He's got to show that he can pass-block, but I think he'll pick everything up pretty quickly. So it wouldn't shock me if Brown leads the team in carries over the second half of the season.

My gut feeling, though, is that the Colts will use Brown right away mostly in situational packages, while Addai gets most of the action in base packages all season long.

My first crack:

217 carries, 40 receptions for Addai.

127 carries, 28 receptions for Brown.

18 carries, 8 receptions for Hart.

How do those ratios look to you?

 

[TenTimes]

I wouldn't count on Brown as a RB3 in 2009, but see him as a high end RB2 in 2011, maybe even halfway through 2010.

I think his best assets are his attitude and work ethic. Unfortunately those won't lead to short term fantasy greatness because isn't as physically gifted as a high NFL 1st rounder.

I'd rather have undeniable physical ability than undeniable character every day as a fantasy owner

 

[TenTimes]

My first crack:217 carries, 40 receptions for Addai.127 carries, 28 receptions for Brown.18 carries, 8 receptions for Hart.How do those ratios look to you?

As for these.. Why not.

 

[kerpow]

My gut feeling, though, is that the Colts will use Brown right away mostly in situational packages, while Addai gets most of the action in base packages all season long.My first crack:217 carries, 40 receptions for Addai.127 carries, 28 receptions for Brown.18 carries, 8 receptions for Hart.How do those ratios look to you?

Looks good. However, I think it will be far harder to project yards and TDs for each of them, there's just too many unknowns in Indy.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Addai Has never looked special to me, just lots of opportunities. Watching him last year I couldn't help but think what a better Rb could have done. It looks like Indy wondered the same. I've only ever seen Addai run away from people for a TD once over 30 yards, and I think he got lucky. He is shifty in the hole and can get 3 or 4 yards, but I thnk Brown is the guy. And If Hart is healthy I think you will see even less oF Addai.

 

[gianmarco]

I wouldn't count on Brown as a RB3 in 2009, but see him as a high end RB2 in 2011, maybe even halfway through 2010.

I think his best assets are his attitude and work ethic. Unfortunately those won't lead to short term fantasy greatness because isn't as physically gifted as a high NFL 1st rounder.

I'd rather have undeniable physical ability than undeniable character every day as a fantasy owner

I know there are more things to consider than a combine, but in terms of physical gifts, the guy rocked the combine:Brown's Impressive Combine

The measurables are there and the guy was picked in the 1st round by a team that notoriously does well with 1st round picks. I think you have D. Brown all wrong, to be honest. The physical tools are definitely in place.

 

[T Bell]

Addai Has never looked special to me, just lots of opportunities. Watching him last year I couldn't help but think what a better Rb could have done. It looks like Indy wondered the same. I've only ever seen Addai run away from people for a TD once over 30 yards, and I think he got lucky. He is shifty in the hole and can get 3 or 4 yards, but I thnk Brown is the guy. And If Hart is healthy I think you will see even less oF Addai.

Why would that be the case? Is Hart any more explosive than Addai? I don't see that (and BTW I'm a Hart owner who'd love for that to happen).

 

[djcolts]

I forsee more of a 50/50ish split. Addai will be the starter, but I expect something similar to 2006 - the veteran starts, and the talented rookie splits the carries, get more and more as the season progresses. And, the rookie will have a better YPC, because it easier to be the "change of pace" back than the starter (see 2006 - Rhodes struggled in the regular season as the starter, then exploded in the playoffs when he wasn't the starter anymore).

Hart is there to be the short-yardage back - if he's healthy. Though, more on 3rd and 1s at midfield, not necessariliy a TD vulture.

 

[switz]

I know there are more things to consider than a combine, but in terms of physical gifts, the guy rocked the combine.

The measurables are there and the guy was picked in the 1st round by a team that notoriously does well with 1st round picks. I think you have D. Brown all wrong, to be honest. The physical tools are definitely in place.

The exact same thing could be said about Addai. In fact Addai finished 1st in 5 of the combine drills
Addai Brown40 yd dash 4.37* 4.51 20 shuttle 4.50 4.103 cone 7.09 6.93vertical 38.5 41.5broad 10'4 10'5bench 18 n/a*-Wikipedia has Addai's 40 at 4.43, other sites have 4.37Their combines are almost identical except for 40 yard dash, where Addai is clearly faster, and vertical where Brown was better, though Addai's vert was the best among RBs in his combine, and verts vary widely by who is used to administer them.

Running in the 4.5s is a little slow for an RB. And Brown doesn't really have the size to run over people if he can't run past them. The Colts system runs the stretch, which requires speed to transition from EW to NS, and I see Brown not being as successful as Addai on those types of plays.

I think we'll see a 60-40 split, and I don't think Brown will be as good as people here are expecting. Honestly, I think a lot of people are high on Brown, not because he's good, but rather because they're down on Addai for his struggles with his own injuries, and playing behind an injured OL.

I'd predict Addai gets over 1200 yards rushing this season, and scores about 11 TDs. He'll be, at the least, the main GL RB, as he's one of the best goal line rushers in the NFL.

 

[gianmarco]

I'd predict Addai gets over 1200 yards rushing this season, and scores about 11 TDs. He'll be, at the least, the main GL RB, as he's one of the best goal line rushers in the NFL.

 

[switz]

I'd predict Addai gets over 1200 yards rushing this season, and scores about 11 TDs. He'll be, at the least, the main GL RB, as he's one of the best goal line rushers in the NFL.

Yeah, after refreshing myself on the stats I take that back.

 

[TenTimes]

I wouldn't count on Brown as a RB3 in 2009, but see him as a high end RB2 in 2011, maybe even halfway through 2010.

I think his best assets are his attitude and work ethic. Unfortunately those won't lead to short term fantasy greatness because isn't as physically gifted as a high NFL 1st rounder.

I'd rather have undeniable physical ability than undeniable character every day as a fantasy owner

I know there are more things to consider than a combine, but in terms of physical gifts, the guy rocked the combine:Brown's Impressive Combine

The measurables are there and the guy was picked in the 1st round by a team that notoriously does well with 1st round picks. I think you have D. Brown all wrong, to be honest. The physical tools are definitely in place.

Then why do I read that he has narrow shoulders, can't add weight, doesn't have the leg drive or speed to run away from defenders, and marginal size as a pass blocker?

 

[gianmarco]

I wouldn't count on Brown as a RB3 in 2009, but see him as a high end RB2 in 2011, maybe even halfway through 2010.

I think his best assets are his attitude and work ethic. Unfortunately those won't lead to short term fantasy greatness because isn't as physically gifted as a high NFL 1st rounder.

I'd rather have undeniable physical ability than undeniable character every day as a fantasy owner

I know there are more things to consider than a combine, but in terms of physical gifts, the guy rocked the combine:Brown's Impressive Combine

The measurables are there and the guy was picked in the 1st round by a team that notoriously does well with 1st round picks. I think you have D. Brown all wrong, to be honest. The physical tools are definitely in place.

Then why do I read that he has narrow shoulders, can't add weight, doesn't have the leg drive or speed to run away from defenders, and marginal size as a pass blocker?

I have no idea. Why don't you show where you're reading this? As you can read with what I linked above as well as listening, he's most definitely a physical specimen. And there are plenty of other RB's smaller than him that are effective pass blockers.Also, judging by his vertical and broad jump, I'd say his leg drive is more than adequate.

 

[TenTimes]

Got it from your link, by continuing to the D Brown profile.

 

[gianmarco]

Got it from your link, by continuing to the D Brown profile.

Donald Brown scouting reportMentions some of the same things even though I think they sometimes contradict each other (i.e., lacks elite speed but is a homerun hitter?). Either way, he's not your next Adrian Peterson or LT that has all the measurables and the talent, but as I pointed out above, his combine results were very solid and he's got excellent technique when running the ball.

 

[CiscoKid]

I know there are more things to consider than a combine, but in terms of physical gifts, the guy rocked the combine.

The measurables are there and the guy was picked in the 1st round by a team that notoriously does well with 1st round picks. I think you have D. Brown all wrong, to be honest. The physical tools are definitely in place.

The exact same thing could be said about Addai. In fact Addai finished 1st in 5 of the combine drills
Addai Brown40 yd dash 4.37* 4.51 20 shuttle 4.50 4.103 cone 7.09 6.93vertical 38.5 41.5broad 10'4 10'5bench 18 n/a*-Wikipedia has Addai's 40 at 4.43, other sites have 4.37Their combines are almost identical except for 40 yard dash, where Addai is clearly faster, and vertical where Brown was better, though Addai's vert was the best among RBs in his combine, and verts vary widely by who is used to administer them.

Running in the 4.5s is a little slow for an RB. And Brown doesn't really have the size to run over people if he can't run past them. The Colts system runs the stretch, which requires speed to transition from EW to NS, and I see Brown not being as successful as Addai on those types of plays.

I think we'll see a 60-40 split, and I don't think Brown will be as good as people here are expecting. Honestly, I think a lot of people are high on Brown, not because he's good, but rather because they're down on Addai for his struggles with his own injuries, and playing behind an injured OL.

I'd predict Addai gets over 1200 yards rushing this season, and scores about 11 TDs. He'll be, at the least, the main GL RB, as he's one of the best goal line rushers in the NFL.

Looking at just the stats that were posted, I think Brown might have the advantage, not Addai. Yes, those stats show Addai is quicker in the 40, but the 20 shuttle and 3 cone might be better indicators for a RB's "true" speed, and Brown appears to have a clear advantage in both of those. I think that Brown might have a lower "top end", but he gets up to speed faster and therefore might be better able to exploit a hole. I'm not an Indy fan and I don't get to see a ton of Colts games, but the games I have watched Addai has always looked slowwwww to me - I don't care what his overall 40 time is.Here's what NFL.com has for the 20 shuttle and 3 cone measurements:

3 cone drill

The 3 cone drill tests an athlete's ability to change directions at a high speed. Three cones in an L-shape. He starts from the starting line, goes 5 yards to the first cone and back. Then, he turns, runs around the second cone, runs a weave around the third cone, which is the high point of the L, changes directions, comes back around that second cone and finishes.

Shuttle run

The short shuttle is the first of the cone drills. It is known as the 5-10-5. What it tests is the athlete's lateral quickness and explosion in short areas. The athlete starts in the three-point stance, explode out 5 yards to his right, touches the line, goes back 10 yards to his left, left hand touches the line, pivot, and he turns 5 more yards and finishes.

That being said, I have to think its probably Addai's job to lose - at least for now, anyway.

 

[pizzatyme]

What does Addai's 40 time matter if he's always dancing behind the line?

 

[identikit]

What does Addai's 40 time matter if he's always dancing behind the line?

Helps when he's making his way to the sidelines....

 

[loose circuits]

I think Addai still ends up getting the majority of the carries. Now isn't the time to sell if you have him. I'm going to wait till the deadline maybe...we'll see. A lot probably depends on how much of the offense Donald can pick up...and how well he can pass protect (which is what got Joe on the field early)

 

[pizzatyme]

I think Addai still ends up getting the majority of the carries. Now isn't the time to sell if you have him. I'm going to wait till the deadline maybe...we'll see. A lot probably depends on how much of the offense Donald can pick up...and how well he can pass protect (which is what got Joe on the field early)

Loose, I know it's hard to move on, but from what I've seen in re-drafts thus far this season, you're better off moving him now. I've seen Addai go in the 3rd round of 12 teamers. I know dynasty is usually different, but I don't think so in this case.Move him while he still has value. I do think he'll start the season as the lead, but why risk it if you can move him for comparative value. I think if he falters in any way, he moves to 2nd string. While he may start the games, Brown and Hart (if healthy) get the bulk.Good luck.

 

[MAC_32]

I imagine their plan is similar to when Addai was a rook. The vet starts off with the job while the rook sees more opportunities as the season progresses. Whether Brown gets a chance to take the job depends on what he does with those opportunities and Addai's health/effectiveness. I'm buying into Brown, the Colts drafted Addai in round 1 to take the job, seems like they don't believe in Addai anymore and want to see if Brown can be an improvement. I won't have either too high on my board regardless, too much turnover in the coaching staff, the o line struggled for much of last year already, and the uncertainty on top of it? Unless this picture clears up a bit I won't take either as more than a RB3.