Colts tweaked D philosophy may help Peyton's stats (1 Viewer)

[djcolts]

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Yet, (new Colts D coordinator Larry) Coyer — like Freeney and cornerback Marlin Jackson said earlier in the ongoing organized team activities session — said there will be some changes:

We can’t stand still.

Perhaps the most notable comment by Coyer came late in Chappell’s story, when he said:

You want to give (Colts quarterback Peyton Manning) as many (possessions) as you can

...the Colts’ offense averaged a league-low 10 possessions a game the past seven seasons, which was nearly two fewer than the league average. The Colts have had the fewest possessions in each of the past four seasons.

If the Colts have a more aggressive defense (with a DT rotation that will approach average - unlike last year's disaster witih non-talented 260 lbers starting at both DT spots) that leads to more possesions for the Colts offense - then this will affect Peyton's stats more than offensive coaching changes or the addition of Donald Brown.

 

[JamesTheScot]

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Yet, (new Colts D coordinator Larry) Coyer — like Freeney and cornerback Marlin Jackson said earlier in the ongoing organized team activities session — said there will be some changes:

We can’t stand still.

Perhaps the most notable comment by Coyer came late in Chappell’s story, when he said:

You want to give (Colts quarterback Peyton Manning) as many (possessions) as you can

...the Colts’ offense averaged a league-low 10 possessions a game the past seven seasons, which was nearly two fewer than the league average. The Colts have had the fewest possessions in each of the past four seasons.

If the Colts have a more aggressive defense (with a DT rotation that will approach average - unlike last year's disaster witih non-talented 260 lbers starting at both DT spots) that leads to more possesions for the Colts offense - then this will affect Peyton's stats more than offensive coaching changes or the addition of Donald Brown.

Not to rain on your parade, but this sounds like coachspeak. Coyer might as well have just said "I want the D to play better this year". It has about the same impact IMO in projecting Manning's production this year - which is to say none at all.The thing is, there are 31 other teams in the league that want their '09 D to perform better than their '08 D did and are also tweaking their D and evaluating their talent this offseason. And if the ones that play the Colts are successful, their improvement could offset or exceed whatever gains the Colts D might make. Nothing in the league occurs in a vacuum. For every tweak the Colts implement, there are tweaks their opponetns are also implementing.

Sorry to come off so pessimistic.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

They have to, the league has figured out the "tampa 2"

 

[Scooby1974]

In other news...

Water is wet and chickens cluck.

 

[The Real Yoda]

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Here are some key quotes/stats

Yet, (new Colts D coordinator Larry) Coyer — like Freeney and cornerback Marlin Jackson said earlier in the ongoing organized team activities session — said there will be some changes:

We can’t stand still.

Perhaps the most notable comment by Coyer came late in Chappell’s story, when he said:

You want to give (Colts quarterback Peyton Manning) as many (possessions) as you can

...the Colts’ offense averaged a league-low 10 possessions a game the past seven seasons, which was nearly two fewer than the league average. The Colts have had the fewest possessions in each of the past four seasons.

If the Colts have a more aggressive defense (with a DT rotation that will approach average - unlike last year's disaster witih non-talented 260 lbers starting at both DT spots) that leads to more possesions for the Colts offense - then this will affect Peyton's stats more than offensive coaching changes or the addition of Donald Brown.

Not to rain on your parade, but this sounds like coachspeak. Coyer might as well have just said "I want the D to play better this year". It has about the same impact IMO in projecting Manning's production this year - which is to say none at all.The thing is, there are 31 other teams in the league that want their '09 D to perform better than their '08 D did and are also tweaking their D and evaluating their talent this offseason. And if the ones that play the Colts are successful, their improvement could offset or exceed whatever gains the Colts D might make. Nothing in the league occurs in a vacuum. For every tweak the Colts implement, there are tweaks their opponetns are also implementing.

Sorry to come off so pessimistic.

Have to agree here. They want Peyton to get more possessions? Shocking.

 

[djcolts]

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Here are some key quotes/stats

Yet, (new Colts D coordinator Larry) Coyer — like Freeney and cornerback Marlin Jackson said earlier in the ongoing organized team activities session — said there will be some changes:

We can’t stand still.

Perhaps the most notable comment by Coyer came late in Chappell’s story, when he said:

You want to give (Colts quarterback Peyton Manning) as many (possessions) as you can

...the Colts’ offense averaged a league-low 10 possessions a game the past seven seasons, which was nearly two fewer than the league average. The Colts have had the fewest possessions in each of the past four seasons.

If the Colts have a more aggressive defense (with a DT rotation that will approach average - unlike last year's disaster witih non-talented 260 lbers starting at both DT spots) that leads to more possesions for the Colts offense - then this will affect Peyton's stats more than offensive coaching changes or the addition of Donald Brown.

Not to rain on your parade, but this sounds like coachspeak. Coyer might as well have just said "I want the D to play better this year". It has about the same impact IMO in projecting Manning's production this year - which is to say none at all.The thing is, there are 31 other teams in the league that want their '09 D to perform better than their '08 D did and are also tweaking their D and evaluating their talent this offseason. And if the ones that play the Colts are successful, their improvement could offset or exceed whatever gains the Colts D might make. Nothing in the league occurs in a vacuum. For every tweak the Colts implement, there are tweaks their opponetns are also implementing.

Sorry to come off so pessimistic.

Coyer is more prone to blitz than Meeks was - that really is the point here. More blitzing = more risk, less sitting back.

 

[JamesTheScot]

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Here are some key quotes/stats

Yet, (new Colts D coordinator Larry) Coyer — like Freeney and cornerback Marlin Jackson said earlier in the ongoing organized team activities session — said there will be some changes:

We can’t stand still.

Perhaps the most notable comment by Coyer came late in Chappell’s story, when he said:

You want to give (Colts quarterback Peyton Manning) as many (possessions) as you can

...the Colts’ offense averaged a league-low 10 possessions a game the past seven seasons, which was nearly two fewer than the league average. The Colts have had the fewest possessions in each of the past four seasons.

If the Colts have a more aggressive defense (with a DT rotation that will approach average - unlike last year's disaster witih non-talented 260 lbers starting at both DT spots) that leads to more possesions for the Colts offense - then this will affect Peyton's stats more than offensive coaching changes or the addition of Donald Brown.

Not to rain on your parade, but this sounds like coachspeak. Coyer might as well have just said "I want the D to play better this year". It has about the same impact IMO in projecting Manning's production this year - which is to say none at all.The thing is, there are 31 other teams in the league that want their '09 D to perform better than their '08 D did and are also tweaking their D and evaluating their talent this offseason. And if the ones that play the Colts are successful, their improvement could offset or exceed whatever gains the Colts D might make. Nothing in the league occurs in a vacuum. For every tweak the Colts implement, there are tweaks their opponetns are also implementing.

Sorry to come off so pessimistic.

Coyer is more prone to blitz than Meeks was - that really is the point here. More blitzing = more risk, less sitting back.

More blitzing = more first downs for the opposing offense, which means longer drives for the opposing offense, which in turn means fewer possessions and TOP for Manning to work with.It all turns on how effective the Colts can be at blitzing...the same way that how well a team blocks determines how well they run the ball. So when a coach says "We're going to try and block better this year" it doesn't really mean anything.

That's really the point.

It's all talk, which means nothing to how I am going to rank Manning. Talk is cheap without anything to back it up. What makes you think that Coyer will successfully implement this philosophy change to such a degree that it becomes statistically significant for Manning? Everyone has grand plans of improving their team in the offseason, yet we know that every year, many won't be successful...at least not relative to their competition.

DJ, I'm not calling you out or anything. I'm just saying a coach saying what he'd like to do, in such general terms, isn't that informative to me. But if it means you want to bump Manning up in your draftboard, go right ahead.

 

[PrimUomo]

The Tampa defense depends on great defensive lineman and the Colts haven't developed amazing interior lineman. That is the defenses major weakness. They are pretty much turning their back on the Tampa defense (which fundamentally creates long drives). I see Peyton's numbers going through the roof. When they scored on the Colts previously it took 5+ minutes. If they give up field goals, Peyton can carry them. I expect Peyton to pretty much run the offense with his decision making a la audibles.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I think djcolts has a solid point here. It's not just that the coaches are expressing a desire to get off the field more quickly and stop the run better. There is a philosophy shift in that direction, with an accompanying investment in bigger DT's and a coordinator who has historically emphasized the run more.

For years, the Colts' defense has, in a sense, conceded the run in favor of protecting against big plays and looking for turnovers. To protect the undersized defense, Peyton and the offense sought long, conservative drives. As a fan, I was happy with this system and am worried about the overall effectiveness of the team this year. Nevertheless, the implications for the offense seem clear: more possessions and a more aggressive approach. The outlook is positive for fantasy owners.

One last consideration: With Dungy gone, I see the most influential members of the organization, in no particular order, are as follows:

Jim Irsay

Bill Polian

Jim Caldwell

Peyton Manning

The histories of all four suggest an aggressive offense, in stark contrast to Dungy's successful, conservative approach. I see the changes to the defensive approach discussed in this thread as one prominent example of the overall change in the franchise's philosophy.

 

[gonzobill5]

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...the Colts’ offense averaged a league-low 10 possessions a game the past seven seasons, which was nearly two fewer than the league average. The Colts have had the fewest possessions in each of the past four seasons.

Wouldn't this be as much a result of the success of the Colts offense over the last seven years as anything else? How does the length of their drives compare league wide?

 

[pizzatyme]

I think djcolts has a solid point here. It's not just that the coaches are expressing a desire to get off the field more quickly and stop the run better. There is a philosophy shift in that direction, with an accompanying investment in bigger DT's and a coordinator who has historically emphasized the run more.

For years, the Colts' defense has, in a sense, conceded the run in favor of protecting against big plays and looking for turnovers. To protect the undersized defense, Peyton and the offense sought long, conservative drives. As a fan, I was happy with this system and am worried about the overall effectiveness of the team this year. Nevertheless, the implications for the offense seem clear: more possessions and a more aggressive approach. The outlook is positive for fantasy owners.

One last consideration: With Dungy gone, I see the most influential members of the organization, in no particular order, are as follows:

Jim Irsay

Bill Polian

Jim Caldwell

Peyton Manning

The histories of all four suggest an aggressive offense, in stark contrast to Dungy's successful, conservative approach. I see the changes to the defensive approach discussed in this thread as one prominent example of the overall change in the franchise's philosophy.

This is what most non-homers miss in their analysis. For years, the Offense was tyring to score but doing it methodically to allow the Defense time to recover. Many will just look at the end of year offense and defense rankings and say the defense was okay.Well, that's just not the case. What was maddening for me was seeing move the offense down the field like he was supposed to and then the drive stalls and then the defense giving up a TD.

When you have limited possessions, you can't trade FGs for TDs. That is what happened and it put incredible pressure on Manning and the offense to be overly efficient.

What I hope Coyer's comments translate into is a more aggressive approach, both on offense and defense. I'm sure Peyton is willing to oblige.