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Painter - decent pass to Reggie Wayne on first pass of the game - Wayne can't hold onto it - could have been thrown better, still should have been caught.

2nd play - Addai nice 18 yard run. Kind of surprising as I thought GB would be packing the box against Painter.

3rd play - 8 yard run. If he can run like this all year, Manning's play action can be killer.

4th play - 1 yard loss by Addai

 
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The hype on Finley is way down this year. In a 1.5 TE PPR league I got him at pick 46 this year in a draft. He was going in the top 20 last year.

 
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.

Anyone have any olinsight on this?

 
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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rule did changeETA: maybe not. can't find any evidence of it.
 
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I was going to say good, because that interpretation was horrible. And if it didn't change per the written rules they are never going to call it consistently one way or the other, apparently.

 
That's why Reggie wants Painter as the starter - he'll throw it to him every time even if he's blanketed. (almost got him killed on that last target)

 
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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Didn't Finley take at least one step with the ball? If you make a 'football move', you have possession.
 
57 yard td Painter to Reggie Wayne. Looked like blown coverage - walked into the end zone. Zone defense, looked like Morgan Burnett blown coverage.

 
'Loomba said:
'Late225 said:
'Loomba said:
did Grant or Starks start at RB?
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Grant started the first series, but they were both in during the first quarter. Didn't really notice how they alternated.
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Just trying to guage if Starks actually has the inside track now as suggested. Drafting tonight!
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I think they alternated series. Starks was in throughout the long TD drive. They both looked decent. Starks missed a couple blocking assignments.
 
'Johnny Blood said:
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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Didn't Finley take at least one step with the ball? If you make a 'football move', you have possession.
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Didn't appear to; he got both feet down before he went to the ground, but so did Calvin. Also appeared like he may have bobbled it a bit prior to hitting the ground. Not an identical play, but very similar. Main difference was CJ was clearly on his way up off the carpet when he put the ball back on it. Finley had no control of it getting up. If memory serves, this was a big point for ex head of officiating Mike Pereira.
 
'Neofight said:
'Johnny Blood said:
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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Didn't Finley take at least one step with the ball? If you make a 'football move', you have possession.
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Didn't appear to; he got both feet down before he went to the ground, but so did Calvin. Also appeared like he may have bobbled it a bit prior to hitting the ground. Not an identical play, but very similar. Main difference was CJ was clearly on his way up off the carpet when he put the ball back on it. Finley had no control of it getting up. If memory serves, this was a big point for ex head of officiating Mike Pereira.
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Wasn't Finley also out of the endzone by that point? Wouldn't that be the same thing as going out of bounds so it wouldn't really matter what happened once you left the field?http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011082653/2011/PRE3/packers@colts#tab:watchactually he was out of bounds and it looks like when he rolled over the ball was basically sitting in his lap and he could have gotten up with control of the ball if he wanted. IIRC CJ basically used the ball to brace his fall and fumbled it.
 
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'El Truth said:
'Neofight said:
'Johnny Blood said:
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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Didn't Finley take at least one step with the ball? If you make a 'football move', you have possession.
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Didn't appear to; he got both feet down before he went to the ground, but so did Calvin. Also appeared like he may have bobbled it a bit prior to hitting the ground. Not an identical play, but very similar. Main difference was CJ was clearly on his way up off the carpet when he put the ball back on it. Finley had no control of it getting up. If memory serves, this was a big point for ex head of officiating Mike Pereira.
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Wasn't Finley also out of the endzone by that point? Wouldn't that be the same thing as going out of bounds so it wouldn't really matter what happened once you left the field?http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011082653/2011/PRE3/packers@colts#tab:watchactually he was out of bounds and it looks like when he rolled over the ball was basically sitting in his lap and he could have gotten up with control of the ball if he wanted. IIRC CJ basically used the ball to brace his fall and fumbled it.
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Made the observation last year that on CJ's catch his left hand was on the chalk when he slammed the ball down with his right; so technically he was "out of bounds" too. On top of that, the mere fact that he had gotten off the ground prior to losing control could be deemed a "football move". Neither was considered relevant to the interpretation.
 
'Sandeman said:
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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rule did changeETA: maybe not. can't find any evidence of it.
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Not only did the rule not change, the league actually is using the Calvin video in a presentation to players to show them exactly what a catch is and isn't.
 
'Ilov80s said:
'Sandeman said:
'Neofight said:
On the Finley TD, is there any particular reason why that should've been ruled a TD in light of the Calvin Johnson "going to the ground" interpretation from last season? Did the league change how they are interpreting that? Because, if anything, Finley had less control of the ball on the way down and didn't get up with it.Anyone have any olinsight on this?
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rule did changeETA: maybe not. can't find any evidence of it.
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Not only did the rule not change, the league actually is using the Calvin video in a presentation to players to show them exactly what a catch is and isn't.
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Think that zebra was sleeping through that session?
 
Made the observation last year that on CJ's catch his left hand was on the chalk when he slammed the ball down with his right; so technically he was "out of bounds" too.

On top of that, the mere fact that he had gotten off the ground prior to losing control could be deemed a "football move". Neither was considered relevant to the interpretation.

Yeah I'm not arguing that CJ's shouldn't have been a catch, was just pointing out the differences.

 
'El Truth]Yeah I'm not arguing that CJ's shouldn't have been a catch said:
Near as I can tell, the only difference of note is that Finley clearly lost control while still on his back, which by the interpretation given last year means no TD. I actually think they got it wrong both times.
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Don't know if I agree with that. James Jones, Driver, Nelson, and Finley were often the receivers on the field during those dumpoffs and if that was the case, Grant would have had an even number of receptions as Starks.

The pass rush was getting to Rodgers, so he was probably dumping off quicker. I know Grant started the game, but not sure if they rotated evenly or if he went out midway through the first.

 
Pretty upset, they bring in Chad Spann at the 2, and then run a WR screen. They're not giving this kid a chance to succeed.

 
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