Combine Results and Depth of Rookie Draft (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

Ok, most rookie draft discussions to date have assumed that there were four or at most five rookie RBs who would go in the first and second rounds and who would be good picks in rookie dynasty drafts. After the times recorded today I am wondering if the draft got deeper? How deep does it go? How many of these guys will be drafted in the first two rounds? First three rounds?

Here are the top 10 running back 40 times:

Chris Johnson, East Carolina -- 4.24

Darren McFadden, Arkansas -- 4.33

Anthony Aldridge, Houston -- 4.36

Jamaal Charles, Texas -- 4.38

Chad Simpson, Morgan St. -- 4.42

Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois -- 4.45

Matthew Forte, Tulane -- 4.46

Felix Jones, Arkansas -- 4.47

Jalen Parmele, Toldeo -- 4.47

Jonathan Stewart, Oregon -- 4.48

I don't know what Rice, Slaton, or Kevin Smith's numbers were, but they have been talked about quite a bit this year too. I can't recall a group of RBs this talented this deep.

 

[EBF]

Not much has changed really. McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall still look like a solid top 3.

Chris Johnson made a move up and may have passed Felix Jones in the NFL draft. Those two guys will probably be the 4th and 5th backs off the board come April.

The third tier is still pretty crowded with Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, and Steve Slaton. They all did well enough to hang around on the first day, yet none of them really stands out from the others.

I don't really think the depth is extraordinary. Chances are a couple of the unheralded guys will develop into solid pros, but they're all going to slip in the draft for a reason. There are only 3-4 first round talents in this bunch.

 

[Riffraff]

I don't know what Rice, Slaton, or Kevin Smith's numbers were

All were 4.4x or better according to the video of the timings.

 

[az_prof]

Not much has changed really. McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall still look like a solid top 3.Chris Johnson made a move up and may have passed Felix Jones in the NFL draft. Those two guys will probably be the 4th and 5th backs off the board come April.The third tier is still pretty crowded with Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, and Steve Slaton. They all did well enough to hang around on the first day, yet none of them really stands out from the others. I don't really think the depth is extraordinary. Chances are a couple of the unheralded guys will develop into solid pros, but they're all going to slip in the draft for a reason. There are only 3-4 first round talents in this bunch.

Aren't these 40 times far superior to normal in terms of the number of guys sub 4.4 and sub 4.5?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I was wondering if the LB's and CB's run really good 40 times, do these good RB times mean less than they do now? If everyone is getting faster, then the times are all relative.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not much has changed really. McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall still look like a solid top 3.

Chris Johnson made a move up and may have passed Felix Jones in the NFL draft. Those two guys will probably be the 4th and 5th backs off the board come April.

The third tier is still pretty crowded with Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, and Steve Slaton. They all did well enough to hang around on the first day, yet none of them really stands out from the others.

I don't really think the depth is extraordinary. Chances are a couple of the unheralded guys will develop into solid pros, but they're all going to slip in the draft for a reason. There are only 3-4 first round talents in this bunch.

Didnt you tell people to not get carried away with Mcfaddens 40 time? I would bet Rice goes before Johnson, unless a team wants him for something more than a RB.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Not much has changed really. McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall still look like a solid top 3.

Chris Johnson made a move up and may have passed Felix Jones in the NFL draft. Those two guys will probably be the 4th and 5th backs off the board come April.

The third tier is still pretty crowded with Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, and Steve Slaton. They all did well enough to hang around on the first day, yet none of them really stands out from the others.

I don't really think the depth is extraordinary. Chances are a couple of the unheralded guys will develop into solid pros, but they're all going to slip in the draft for a reason. There are only 3-4 first round talents in this bunch.

Didnt you tell people to not get carried away with Mcfaddens 40 time? I would bet Rice goes before Johnson, unless a team wants him for something more than a RB.

Many people- Kiper with his connections, Mayock, etc. had Johnson ahead of Rice pre-combine. Barring pre-existing injury concerns for Johnson, I think he gets drafted before Rice.

 

[EBF]

Not much has changed really. McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall still look like a solid top 3.

Chris Johnson made a move up and may have passed Felix Jones in the NFL draft. Those two guys will probably be the 4th and 5th backs off the board come April.

The third tier is still pretty crowded with Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, and Steve Slaton. They all did well enough to hang around on the first day, yet none of them really stands out from the others.

I don't really think the depth is extraordinary. Chances are a couple of the unheralded guys will develop into solid pros, but they're all going to slip in the draft for a reason. There are only 3-4 first round talents in this bunch.

Didnt you tell people to not get carried away with Mcfaddens 40 time? I would bet Rice goes before Johnson, unless a team wants him for something more than a RB.

Chris Johnson was also among the RB leaders in the broad jump and the vertical jump. He may have been the best all-around performer of the backs today and definitely boosted his draft stock in a big way.

 

[Rodeojones]

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[broncofan13000]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

I like Smith, i would not be at all shocked if he ends up as the #4 RB.

 

[loose circuits]

It seems like this draft is very deep

3 superstars with Mendenhall, Stewart, and McFadden ranked differently on teams draft boards. More would say Mcfadden is ahead

An argument could be made for any of F. Jones, Forte, Rice, Smith, J. Charles, and maybe Choice or Slaton to be at the top of the next group

Forsett, Hart, and Hester bring something to the table as well.

Then there are other guys I like, but they are kinda reaches Boyd, T. Brown, BGE, Omon, and maybe Torain or Patrick

overall, the depth of this class amazes me

 

[Poppa]

:whoosh:

 

[JAA]

Easiest is Rice up and Slaton down

 

[JAA]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

 

[JAA]

It seems like this draft is very deep3 superstars with Mendenhall, Stewart, and McFadden ranked differently on teams draft boards. More would say Mcfadden is aheadAn argument could be made for any of F. Jones, Forte, Rice, Smith, J. Charles, and maybe Choice or Slaton to be at the top of the next groupForsett, Hart, and Hester bring something to the table as well.Then there are other guys I like, but they are kinda reaches Boyd, T. Brown, BGE, Omon, and maybe Torain or Patrickoverall, the depth of this class amazes me

I gotta bring Slaton down. I dont see what he did to improve his draft stock. He was the player who needed to shock the combine more than anyone else. The only thing I saw him do was run 2 consistent 40's. The other players all lapsed a bit on their second run.The talk about converting Slaton to a WR was interesting. It wont happen, their reasoning being he was asked to catch balls with WRs. Some Player Personel folks prolly were interested in his speed and hands and thought he could be an excellent 3rd down back. I know Slaton has good hands, but not great. Slatons 40 and bench just make me go ho-hum. I would be surprised if he is a 1st day pick. The only surprised I could see on draft day is if he goes Julius Jones on the draft class. I dont see it happening, but no one predicted JJ being picked as high as he did.

 

[MAC_32]

What did I take away from the combine?

*There are 3 elite RBs and everyone else, same as before the combine - and none of them did anything to warrant being adjusted on anyone's pre combine draft board

*Felix Jones didn't do anything to include himself in the top 3 conversation

*Mike Hart killed his draft stock, but I still think he has what it takes to be an NFL RB...just needs a do-over at his pro day or prove himself in TC wherever he ends up

*Ray Rice and Kevin Smith validated cases for them, but are still not even within shouting distance of the top 3

If I were a fan of a team looking for a RB and missed on the big 3 I'd wait and snatch a 3rd/4th rounder on Choice, Forsett, Forte, or Hart, depending on the makeup and scheme of my team. I simply don't see a large difference between RB4 and RB12. Other areas can be addressed in the early rounds, it's all about value.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

 

[JAA]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

 

[JAA]

What did I take away from the combine?*There are 3 elite RBs and everyone else, same as before the combine - and none of them did anything to warrant being adjusted on anyone's pre combine draft board*Felix Jones didn't do anything to include himself in the top 3 conversation*Mike Hart killed his draft stock, but I still think he has what it takes to be an NFL RB...just needs a do-over at his pro day or prove himself in TC wherever he ends up*Ray Rice and Kevin Smith validated cases for them, but are still not even within shouting distance of the top 3If I were a fan of a team looking for a RB and missed on the big 3 I'd wait and snatch a 3rd/4th rounder on Choice, Forsett, Forte, or Hart, depending on the makeup and scheme of my team. I simply don't see a large difference between RB4 and RB12. Other areas can be addressed in the early rounds, it's all about value.

curious, what would have Rice had to do to be included? Or, what is removing him from the list? Simply based onm his size? Have you watched Rice play? Have you seen a 5'8 non-burner grinder take over a college game before?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

 

[KSUinSFO]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

he looked really awkward in the cone/change of direction drills imho

 

[JAA]

What did I take away from the combine?*There are 3 elite RBs and everyone else, same as before the combine - and none of them did anything to warrant being adjusted on anyone's pre combine draft board*Felix Jones didn't do anything to include himself in the top 3 conversation*Mike Hart killed his draft stock, but I still think he has what it takes to be an NFL RB...just needs a do-over at his pro day or prove himself in TC wherever he ends up*Ray Rice and Kevin Smith validated cases for them, but are still not even within shouting distance of the top 3If I were a fan of a team looking for a RB and missed on the big 3 I'd wait and snatch a 3rd/4th rounder on Choice, Forsett, Forte, or Hart, depending on the makeup and scheme of my team. I simply don't see a large difference between RB4 and RB12. Other areas can be addressed in the early rounds, it's all about value.

curious, what would have Rice had to do to be included? Or, what is removing him from the list? Simply based onm his size? Have you watched Rice play? Have you seen a 5'8 non-burner grinder take over a college game before?

bumpanyone care to answer what Ric needed to do? Or are all of you keeping him out of your top 3 because of size? I know it isnt because of productivity.I wanted to see Stewart run 'fast' at the combine to show me something. He didnt show me. I didnt like Stewarts runs, and I didnt like the way he ran in college. Rice? I wanted to see him run 'fast' and I did. Overall I was more impressed with Rice and what he brought than Stewart. Im just thankful that all my rookie drafts are after the NFL draft. Could you imagine having to draft simply on the combine results? uke:

 

[FUBAR]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.1 2 Ronnie Brown Auburn Miami Dolphins

1 4 Cedric Benson Texas Chicago Bears

1 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2 44 J.J. Arrington California Arizona Cardinals

2 54 Eric Shelton Louisville Carolina Panthers

3 65 Frank Gore Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

3 73 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State Houston Texans

3 77 Ryan Moats Louisiana Tech Philadelphia Eagles

4 109 Marion Barber Minnesota Dallas Cowboys

4 110 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois New York Giants

1 24 Steven Jackson Oregon State St. Louis Rams

1 26 Chris Perry Michigan Cincinnati Bengals

1 30 Kevin Jones Virginia Tech Detroit Lions

2 41 Tatum Bell Oklahoma State Denver Broncos

2 43 Julius Jones Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys

2 55 Greg Jones Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars

4 119 Mewelde Moore Tulane Minnesota Vikings

4 128 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas New England Patriots

5 154 Michael Turner Northern Illinois San Diego Chargers

1 16 William Green Boston College Cleveland Browns

1 18 T.J. Duckett Michigan State Atlanta Falcons

2 34 DeShaun Foster UCLA Carolina Panthers

2 51 Clinton Portis Miami (Fla.) Denver Broncos

2 54 Maurice Morris Oregon Seattle Seahawks

2 56 Ladell Betts Iowa Washington Redskins

3 84 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State St. Louis Rams

3 91 Brian Westbrook Villanova Philadelphia Eagles

 

[g5jamz]

One of the RBs would dip before taking off...and I believe it was Smith. He was told that the timer starts off movement, and I believe that dip cost him in time.

 

[KSUinSFO]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.1 2 Ronnie Brown Auburn Miami Dolphins

1 4 Cedric Benson Texas Chicago Bears

1 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2 44 J.J. Arrington California Arizona Cardinals

2 54 Eric Shelton Louisville Carolina Panthers

3 65 Frank Gore Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

3 73 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State Houston Texans

3 77 Ryan Moats Louisiana Tech Philadelphia Eagles

4 109 Marion Barber Minnesota Dallas Cowboys

4 110 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois New York Giants

1 24 Steven Jackson Oregon State St. Louis Rams

1 26 Chris Perry Michigan Cincinnati Bengals

1 30 Kevin Jones Virginia Tech Detroit Lions

2 41 Tatum Bell Oklahoma State Denver Broncos

2 43 Julius Jones Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys

2 55 Greg Jones Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars

4 119 Mewelde Moore Tulane Minnesota Vikings

4 128 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas New England Patriots

5 154 Michael Turner Northern Illinois San Diego Chargers

1 16 William Green Boston College Cleveland Browns

1 18 T.J. Duckett Michigan State Atlanta Falcons

2 34 DeShaun Foster UCLA Carolina Panthers

2 51 Clinton Portis Miami (Fla.) Denver Broncos

2 54 Maurice Morris Oregon Seattle Seahawks

2 56 Ladell Betts Iowa Washington Redskins

3 84 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State St. Louis Rams

3 91 Brian Westbrook Villanova Philadelphia Eagles

 

[Burning Sensation]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.

Umm, first of all, the GM's have teams of scouts giving them the information they base their picks on. Second, who do you trust more than those guys, Mayock, Kiper, message board "experts"?

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'd also point out that a GM drafts a certain player to fit their current type of team. If a coaching change has taken place since, that is also a contributor to a player not having success. Of course, sometimes there are red flags to work ethic, but they also don't find out about all them. It doesn't help when a player stops working hard at the next level and didn't show that before.

 

[FUBAR]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.

Umm, first of all, the GM's have teams of scouts giving them the information they base their picks on. Second, who do you trust more than those guys, Mayock, Kiper, message board "experts"?

Bizkiteer gives a good answer, not all teams want the same type of player. Some systems want a speedy RB, some want tough runners, some want their RBs to be good receivers for screens, etc. I won't get into the specifics as there are people here wiser than I, but this is a pretty simple concept. Second, the GMs and scouts have great information, yet many teams don't seem to get it right. If Indianapolis or New England drafts a RB or WR, I'll bump them up. If Detroit does, I'l avoiding them. Many teams fall in the middle.

Finally, many picks bust. I'd rather have my pick make it or bust due to me following my own opinions, rather than blindly following draft order.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.

Umm, first of all, the GM's have teams of scouts giving them the information they base their picks on. Second, who do you trust more than those guys, Mayock, Kiper, message board "experts"?

Bizkiteer gives a good answer, not all teams want the same type of player. Some systems want a speedy RB, some want tough runners, some want their RBs to be good receivers for screens, etc. I won't get into the specifics as there are people here wiser than I, but this is a pretty simple concept. Second, the GMs and scouts have great information, yet many teams don't seem to get it right. If Indianapolis or New England drafts a RB or WR, I'll bump them up. If Detroit does, I'l avoiding them. Many teams fall in the middle.

Finally, many picks bust. I'd rather have my pick make it or bust due to me following my own opinions, rather than blindly following draft order.

Ill trade you Chad Jackson for Roy Williams or Calvin Johnson.

 

[az_prof]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? :( Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.1 2 Ronnie Brown Auburn Miami Dolphins

1 4 Cedric Benson Texas Chicago Bears

1 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2 44 J.J. Arrington California Arizona Cardinals

2 54 Eric Shelton Louisville Carolina Panthers

3 65 Frank Gore Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

3 73 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State Houston Texans

3 77 Ryan Moats Louisiana Tech Philadelphia Eagles

4 109 Marion Barber Minnesota Dallas Cowboys

4 110 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois New York Giants

1 24 Steven Jackson Oregon State St. Louis Rams

1 26 Chris Perry Michigan Cincinnati Bengals

1 30 Kevin Jones Virginia Tech Detroit Lions

2 41 Tatum Bell Oklahoma State Denver Broncos

2 43 Julius Jones Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys

2 55 Greg Jones Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars

4 119 Mewelde Moore Tulane Minnesota Vikings

4 128 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas New England Patriots

5 154 Michael Turner Northern Illinois San Diego Chargers

1 16 William Green Boston College Cleveland Browns

1 18 T.J. Duckett Michigan State Atlanta Falcons

2 34 DeShaun Foster UCLA Carolina Panthers

2 51 Clinton Portis Miami (Fla.) Denver Broncos

2 54 Maurice Morris Oregon Seattle Seahawks

2 56 Ladell Betts Iowa Washington Redskins

3 84 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State St. Louis Rams

3 91 Brian Westbrook Villanova Philadelphia Eagles

This just points out how it is all pretty much a crap shoot. NFL drafting AND fantasy is much more luck than any of us would admit.

 

[Moniker]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.1 2 Ronnie Brown Auburn Miami Dolphins

1 4 Cedric Benson Texas Chicago Bears

1 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2 44 J.J. Arrington California Arizona Cardinals

2 54 Eric Shelton Louisville Carolina Panthers

3 65 Frank Gore Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

3 73 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State Houston Texans

3 77 Ryan Moats Louisiana Tech Philadelphia Eagles

4 109 Marion Barber Minnesota Dallas Cowboys

4 110 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois New York Giants

1 24 Steven Jackson Oregon State St. Louis Rams

1 26 Chris Perry Michigan Cincinnati Bengals

1 30 Kevin Jones Virginia Tech Detroit Lions

2 41 Tatum Bell Oklahoma State Denver Broncos

2 43 Julius Jones Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys

2 55 Greg Jones Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars

4 119 Mewelde Moore Tulane Minnesota Vikings

4 128 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas New England Patriots

5 154 Michael Turner Northern Illinois San Diego Chargers

1 16 William Green Boston College Cleveland Browns

1 18 T.J. Duckett Michigan State Atlanta Falcons

2 34 DeShaun Foster UCLA Carolina Panthers

2 51 Clinton Portis Miami (Fla.) Denver Broncos

2 54 Maurice Morris Oregon Seattle Seahawks

2 56 Ladell Betts Iowa Washington Redskins

3 84 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State St. Louis Rams

3 91 Brian Westbrook Villanova Philadelphia Eagles

It's a terrible posting, actually.Frank Gore fell because of his injuries.

Marion Barber was splitting time.

Brandon Jacobs -- what has he actually proven?

Michael Turner -- see Brandon Jacobs and double it.

Clinton Portis -- I'll give you this one, but he was smallish and both Green and Duckett were studs.

Brian Westbrook went to Villanova and was injured, it's why he dropped.

For the most part, the GMs made the right picks.

 

[loose circuits]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.1 2 Ronnie Brown Auburn Miami Dolphins

1 4 Cedric Benson Texas Chicago Bears

1 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2 44 J.J. Arrington California Arizona Cardinals

2 54 Eric Shelton Louisville Carolina Panthers

3 65 Frank Gore Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

3 73 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State Houston Texans

3 77 Ryan Moats Louisiana Tech Philadelphia Eagles

4 109 Marion Barber Minnesota Dallas Cowboys

4 110 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois New York Giants

1 24 Steven Jackson Oregon State St. Louis Rams

1 26 Chris Perry Michigan Cincinnati Bengals

1 30 Kevin Jones Virginia Tech Detroit Lions

2 41 Tatum Bell Oklahoma State Denver Broncos

2 43 Julius Jones Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys

2 55 Greg Jones Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars

4 119 Mewelde Moore Tulane Minnesota Vikings

4 128 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas New England Patriots

5 154 Michael Turner Northern Illinois San Diego Chargers

1 16 William Green Boston College Cleveland Browns

1 18 T.J. Duckett Michigan State Atlanta Falcons

2 34 DeShaun Foster UCLA Carolina Panthers

2 51 Clinton Portis Miami (Fla.) Denver Broncos

2 54 Maurice Morris Oregon Seattle Seahawks

2 56 Ladell Betts Iowa Washington Redskins

3 84 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State St. Louis Rams

3 91 Brian Westbrook Villanova Philadelphia Eagles

It's a terrible posting, actually.Frank Gore fell because of his injuries.

Marion Barber was splitting time.

Brandon Jacobs -- what has he actually proven?

Michael Turner -- see Brandon Jacobs and double it.

Clinton Portis -- I'll give you this one, but he was smallish and both Green and Duckett were studs.

Brian Westbrook went to Villanova and was injured, it's why he dropped.

For the most part, the GMs made the right picks.

Wasn't Caddy and Ronnie Brown splitting time?Brandon Jacobs has score a hell of a lot more TD's than most of the guys picked before him

I agree on turner, but he's still looked a lot better than some of the guys drafted ahead of him

Westbrook is a perfect examply you shouldn't discount small school guys (among many others)

I'd say it's far from an exact science. Just look at Green Bay...Hell the7th round draft pick (Wynn) was better than their 2nd round selection. speaking of that, shouldn't Ryan Grant be mentioned?

 

[FUBAR]

Anyone think Kevin Smith may rise up the charts (maybe to the #5 RB)? His biggest knock was his speed, and he ran a suprising 4.43 today.

My uneducated opinion was that I didnt like the way he ran. While I think Mayock is a tool, he kept harping on how Smith was a "glider". Seemed to me he is spot on and I dont think it will translate well.

Was he gliding in the 3 cone drill when he had a better time than every other RB? Smith has moved my to #4 RB right now, followed closely by Rice and Jones in that order.

I didnt see the 3-cone's. I guess I saw a strider, not a push/pump'er. While that may (does) sound strange, my perception gives me my opinion. And my opinion tells me to stay away from K Smith .Though NFL Draft day will tell us much much more about these players than the combine.

This is the key. We can all have our opinions, but the guys in charge of drafting these players opinions are all much better than ours. If Kevin Smith is the 8th RB taken, i can assure you, my opinion of him is going to change.

NFL GMs are FAR from perfect. I'm not about to rely on their opinions. I will factor them in, but not put too much weight on it.1 2 Ronnie Brown Auburn Miami Dolphins

1 4 Cedric Benson Texas Chicago Bears

1 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2 44 J.J. Arrington California Arizona Cardinals

2 54 Eric Shelton Louisville Carolina Panthers

3 65 Frank Gore Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

3 73 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State Houston Texans

3 77 Ryan Moats Louisiana Tech Philadelphia Eagles

4 109 Marion Barber Minnesota Dallas Cowboys

4 110 Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois New York Giants

1 24 Steven Jackson Oregon State St. Louis Rams

1 26 Chris Perry Michigan Cincinnati Bengals

1 30 Kevin Jones Virginia Tech Detroit Lions

2 41 Tatum Bell Oklahoma State Denver Broncos

2 43 Julius Jones Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys

2 55 Greg Jones Florida State Jacksonville Jaguars

4 119 Mewelde Moore Tulane Minnesota Vikings

4 128 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas New England Patriots

5 154 Michael Turner Northern Illinois San Diego Chargers

1 16 William Green Boston College Cleveland Browns

1 18 T.J. Duckett Michigan State Atlanta Falcons

2 34 DeShaun Foster UCLA Carolina Panthers

2 51 Clinton Portis Miami (Fla.) Denver Broncos

2 54 Maurice Morris Oregon Seattle Seahawks

2 56 Ladell Betts Iowa Washington Redskins

3 84 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State St. Louis Rams

3 91 Brian Westbrook Villanova Philadelphia Eagles

It's a terrible posting, actually.Frank Gore fell because of his injuries.

Marion Barber was splitting time.

Brandon Jacobs -- what has he actually proven?

Michael Turner -- see Brandon Jacobs and double it.

Clinton Portis -- I'll give you this one, but he was smallish and both Green and Duckett were studs.

Brian Westbrook went to Villanova and was injured, it's why he dropped.

For the most part, the GMs made the right picks.

Wasn't Caddy and Ronnie Brown splitting time?Brandon Jacobs has score a hell of a lot more TD's than most of the guys picked before him

I agree on turner, but he's still looked a lot better than some of the guys drafted ahead of him

Westbrook is a perfect examply you shouldn't discount small school guys (among many others)

I'd say it's far from an exact science. Just look at Green Bay...Hell the7th round draft pick (Wynn) was better than their 2nd round selection. speaking of that, shouldn't Ryan Grant be mentioned?

1. Do GMs usually make the right picks? Sure, and they usually haven't deviated far from what I, or many here, would rank these guys as - not to mention Kiper, Mayrock, etc.2. Jacobs has been a beast when healthy. Do you honestly don't think he's been better than Arrington, Shelton, Moats, or Morency?

I'll give you the injury concerns, but that doesn't change the fact that elite RBs can, and often do, go after others - it does provide a reason.

So what if Barber was splitting time? My boy Chris Henry got drafted higher than others who had a full load.