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Combine --- Winners and Losers (non-OL positions) (1 Viewer)

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Winners:

Rashard Mendenhall - 26 reps, weighed a chiseled 225 lbs, and showed he can carry the load

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result) and surprisingly had 23 reps

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and had 19 reps --- may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

Felix Jones (RB) - it's been posted that Jones only posted an embarrassing 8 reps

 
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Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

 
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
 
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Hardy has lost a little "freak" value. Instead of being a potential immense red-zone talent, he'll now be measured against the likes of Malcom Kelly and Limas Sweed and I fear his clockings will fall short (...and Sweed is not a speedster).I agree Brennan does not have the physical tools to be a viable NFL player. However, his leadership and cerebral game could net him a 2nd-day drafting.

 
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Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

 
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
6'2" is not big for a QB. I think Brennan is this year's Ken Dorsey (minus 2" of height). Despite their accuracy, both players have subpar arm strength. Brennan won't hit receivers in stride if the DL bats the ball down 30% of the time, especially with Brennan's awkward delivery.
 
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.

 
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.
Unfortunately, a lot of weight is placed on pre-combine events...like the Senior Bowl.If Ryan, Brohm, Henne, Woodson and Flacco are NOT drafted before Brennan, I will be more than willing to support a Ramblin Wreck banning for one month.

 
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Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.
Did I say I judged him solely on the Senior Bowl week? No, I just referenced it.If you think Tom Brady has a weak arm you're crazy. Or if you think Colt Brennan has the intangibles of Montana or Brady you're really crazy.

We'll see in just over 2 months. Brennan has virtually no shot of being one of the first 5 QBs drafted.

 
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.
Did I say I judged him solely on the Senior Bowl week? No, I just referenced it.If you think Tom Brady has a weak arm you're crazy. Or if you think Colt Brennan has the intangibles of Montana or Brady you're really crazy.

We'll see in just over 2 months. Brennan has virtually no shot of being one of the first 5 QBs drafted.
Not arguing that Brennan won't be one of the first 5 qbs taken. I said he is a top 5 qb in the draft. I think most will agree with the fact that TOm Brady is better than Spergon Wynn, despite Wynn being drafted 4 rounds earlier. Nor did I say Brennan has Montana and Brady's intangibles. I said arm strength is extremely overrated. You need to be able to read defenses and get the ball to your receivers where they can do damage. Brennan can.

 
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Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Hardy has lost a little "freak" value. Instead of being a potential immense red-zone talent, he'll now be measured against the likes of Malcom Kelly and Limas Sweed and I fear his clockings will fall short (...and Sweed is not a speedster).I agree Brennan does not have the physical tools to be a viable NFL player. However, his leadership and cerebral game could net him a 2nd-day drafting.
I keep hearing people say that Sweed doesn't have speed. That scouldn't be further from the truth. if he runs higher than a 4.45 i would be surprised. He does have a Plaxico type feel to his game but he does have real speed. As a freshman he was clocked in the sub 4.4.
 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

eta:

unless i'm looking at a misprint...

 
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Weiner Dog said:
Balco said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Weiner Dog said:
Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time
I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.
Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.
6'2" is not big for a QB. I think Brennan is this year's Ken Dorsey (minus 2" of height). Despite their accuracy, both players have subpar arm strength. Brennan won't hit receivers in stride if the DL bats the ball down 30% of the time, especially with Brennan's awkward delivery.
:shrug: as exposed vs. GA

 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...
I saw that and wondered the same thing,8 reps? I'd be more inclined to put him under "Losers" as opposed to "Winners" at this point.
 
The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!!

:confused:

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
Don't forget he had the wonder kin Mike Martz as his coach as well messing with his mechanics. Brennan's body of work at UH should speak much louder then a poor Senior Bowl. It wasn't too long ago that Colt Brennan's name was included in the Heisman conversation.
 
The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!! :confused:
I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them?? :thumbup:
 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...
I agree that 8 reps would completely negate him from the "winners" category. 8 reps at 207 lbs is a complete disregard for upper-body strength.NOTE: I'm going to move Jones to the loser category based on the 8 reps (unless an injury is responsible).
 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...
Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.
 
The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!! :confused:
I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them?? :confused:
Just to be clear, you are arguing that height is a huge factor in a qb's success? Or just where they are drafted? If you are arguing where they are drafted I am in agreement. If you are saying success, I disagree. Mainly because I put height and arm strength way down on the list for qb's.
 
Weiner Dog said:
Winners:

Rashard Mendenhall - 26 reps, weighed a chiseled 225 lbs, and showed he can carry the load

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result) and surprisingly had 23 reps

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and had 19 reps --- may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

Felix Jones (RB) - it's been posted that Jones only posted an embarrassing 8 reps
Wow Felix Jones is a wimp. Hello kick returner.
 
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And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

 
The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!! :confused:
I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them?? :confused:
Just to be clear, you are arguing that height is a huge factor in a qb's success? Or just where they are drafted? If you are arguing where they are drafted I am in agreement. If you are saying success, I disagree. Mainly because I put height and arm strength way down on the list for qb's.
It's a huge factor in both their success and ultimate draft position. Here's what will happen...you'll name the dozen or so QB's in NFL history who have bucked the trend and then I will have to spend my entire Sunday listing the thousands of great college QB's who never had NFL success b/c they simply did not have the size. YES...Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith ran slow 40's. YES...Priest Holmes was never drafted. YES...Doug Flutie was only 5'10". However, naming exceptions to a general rule mean very little when your rookie pick is on the clock in your FF draft.Are you going for the 1-in-a-1000 shot you find the next Rice, E Smith, Holmes or Flutie??
 
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The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!! :goodposting:
I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them?? :confused:
Loserman was never any good and Rodgers has yet to have a real chance to show what he can do.Favre, Brees, Romo, McNabb all 6'-2" or less and 3 of them are top 10 in the league. Being under 6'3 meaningless. How many goons 6'-4" plus have failed over the last few years? Couch being one of them.Heck, Garrard is 6'1" and producing. ( I still don't like the guy and think he's a fluke)
 
And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).
We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".
 
And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).
We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".
I chose passer rating because many believe that is the greatest measure of a qb's success. Now, I did top 10 because that would be the upper echelon of the NFL. The fact remains 50 % are 6'3 and under and 50 % are 6'3 and higher. Height has no impact on a qb's success. And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)
 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

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unless i'm looking at a misprint...
Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.
Could you please tell us what muscles are used in a stiff arm as well as carrying and securing the football?
 
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Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

eta:

unless i'm looking at a misprint...
Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.
Could you please tell us what muscles are used in a stiff arm as well as carrying and securing the football?
:heart: :rolleyes: :wall: 1. Not all runningbacks utilize the stiff arm, and being able to bench 225 28 times does not mean you are going to be great at stiff arming someone.

2. You think bench press has any correlation to securing the football? Seriously?

My sarcasm meter is down today, so I am guessing you were just poking fun at people who say bench press matters for a back.

 
And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).
We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".
And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)
A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.
 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

eta:

unless i'm looking at a misprint...
Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.
Could you please tell us what muscles are used in a stiff arm as well as carrying and securing the football?
I hear ya. No clue why that other guy thinks that a RB with a weak upper body is not a problem.
 
And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).
We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".
And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)
A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.
Wow, that is not cherry picking? You only list drafted qb's and qb''s drafted this century :shrug: And when you tried to make your other point, you only used qbs drafted in the 1st round.
 
And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).
We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".
And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)
A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.
Wow, that is not cherry picking? You only list drafted qb's and qb''s drafted this century :shrug: And when you tried to make your other point, you only used qbs drafted in the 1st round.
I left my Annie Oakley decoder pin at work. Can you please decode your post?? Many thanks.
 
And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).
We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".
And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)
A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.
Wow, that is not cherry picking? You only list drafted qb's and qb''s drafted this century :goodposting: And when you tried to make your other point, you only used qbs drafted in the 1st round.
I left my Annie Oakley decoder pin at work. Can you please decode your post?? Many thanks.
I figured you would respond like that. Most people do when they have no good rebuttal.
 
The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!! :eek:
:goodposting: And Brennan's listed a winner at 6'2. But in any event, it doesn't matter because Brohm will go in the 1st and Henne the 2nd IMO. Brennan will go no earlier than Round 5.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
Don't forget he had the wonder kin Mike Martz as his coach as well messing with his mechanics. Brennan's body of work at UH should speak much louder then a poor Senior Bowl. It wasn't too long ago that Colt Brennan's name was included in the Heisman conversation.
Gino Toretta once won a Heisman Trophy. So did Danny Wuerrful
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
David Klingler, Andre Ware, Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, and many others were great "system QBs" too. The NFL ain't drafting the system though. I'm not impressed at all with the things I've seen and read concerning Brennan.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
Don't forget he had the wonder kin Mike Martz as his coach as well messing with his mechanics. Brennan's body of work at UH should speak much louder then a poor Senior Bowl. It wasn't too long ago that Colt Brennan's name was included in the Heisman conversation.
Gino Toretta once won a Heisman Trophy. So did Danny Wuerrful
Well right now Brennan is looking very good throwing the ball at the combine and looks very relaxed.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
David Klingler, Andre Ware, Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, and many others were great "system QBs" too. The NFL ain't drafting the system though. I'm not impressed at all with the things I've seen and read concerning Brennan.
I agree, it is very important to watch out for system qb's as they say. And you point out a couple players who were system qbs. And there are always programs that have fun and gun systems (i.e. the aforementioned TTech, and Hawaii). But you need to watch the games as well. If you watched Timmy Chang, you saw a guy who threw some terrible passes, and made questionable decisions with the football. Watch some game tape of Brennan when he has more than 1 second to throw the ball. He makes the right read 99 % of the time and really gets it to the receiver where they can do damage. Accurate, smart player.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.
didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.
David Klingler, Andre Ware, Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, and many others were great "system QBs" too. The NFL ain't drafting the system though. I'm not impressed at all with the things I've seen and read concerning Brennan.
I agree, it is very important to watch out for system qb's as they say. And you point out a couple players who were system qbs. And there are always programs that have fun and gun systems (i.e. the aforementioned TTech, and Hawaii). But you need to watch the games as well. If you watched Timmy Chang, you saw a guy who threw some terrible passes, and made questionable decisions with the football. Watch some game tape of Brennan when he has more than 1 second to throw the ball. He makes the right read 99 % of the time and really gets it to the receiver where they can do damage. Accurate, smart player.
I am forming my opinion of watching him play. I'm not NFL scout and may be wrong but I could say that about anyone on this board. We'll all find out how good he is come April when he gets drafted and then when he gets in camp.
 
How about Adarius Bowman? How much scratch has he cost himself since the Senior Bowl with a poor showing there and now a 4.69 at the combine? Ouch.

 
Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...
8reps!!!, my lord with Felix's upper body and Mcfadden's legs what kind of weightlifting program does Arkansas have?
 
How about Adarius Bowman? How much scratch has he cost himself since the Senior Bowl with a poor showing there and now a 4.69 at the combine? Ouch.
I can tell you now just keep in mind Boldin ran a 4.71 and this guy kinda reminds me of him the way he play.
 

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