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Come get me Mr Abortion President (1 Viewer)

Dr Oadi said:
The Creator will not hold us guiltless if we turn a deaf ear to the cries of His innocent babies. So come and get me if you must, Mr. President. I will not bow before your wicked regulation.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/dobson-obama-is-abortion-president/#Fru70jCLKYSYgvjm.99
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So you believe that no matter what the individual soul has experienced, even being Reborn in the Blood of Christ through baptism, the actions of the non-believers in this nation are going to doom you to hell?

Do you think that this nation, a creation of man, has a soul?

 
In general, nationwide, is it easier or harder to get an abortion than 10 years ago.

I know the answer in Texas

 
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.

 
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.

 
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.

But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.

 
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar

That much is true

But even then I knew I'd find a much better place

Either with or without you

 
Eephus said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar

That much is true

But even then I knew I'd find a much better place

Either with or without you
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Yeah, I knew as soon as I wrote that somebody would quote the song.

 
timschochet said:
Eephus said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar

That much is true

But even then I knew I'd find a much better place

Either with or without you
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Yeah, I knew as soon as I wrote that somebody would quote the song.
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Don't you want my baby?

 
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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maybe you need a smaller condom.. :giggle:

 
Dr Oadi said:
The Creator will not hold us guiltless if we turn a deaf ear to the cries of His innocent babies. So come and get me if you must, Mr. President. I will not bow before your wicked regulation.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/dobson-obama-is-abortion-president/#Fru70jCLKYSYgvjm.99
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http://nationaldayofprayer.org/faq/:

Is the National Day of Prayer a political event?
No. The National Day of Prayer, as designated by our government, belongs to all Americans. It is not sponsored or owned by any one group. Every American can observe the NDP in his or her own way. Each year, the President issues a proclamation in support of this significant day.

Who is behind the National Day of Prayer Task Force?
The Chairman is Mrs. Shirley Dobson, who has held the position since 1991. Mrs. Dobson volunteers her time and does not receive a salary. The NDP Task Force consists of a full-time staff and a network of thousands of grassroots volunteers nationwide. Mr. John Bornschein serves as the Vice Chairman and Executive Director. Prior to Mrs. Dobson’s involvement, the Task Force was led by Mrs. Vonette Bright, wife of former Campus Crusade for Christ president and founder Bill Bright.

Is the Task Force affiliated with Focus on the Family or Family Talk?
No. Though Mrs. Dobson is married to Focus on the Family and Family Talk founder Dr. James Dobson, the NDP Task Force is a separate organization. It was housed at the Focus on the Family headquarters from 1991 to 2009 and is currently located at an independent office in Colorado Springs, CO. Its business affairs have always remained separate and Focus on the Family was compensated for services rendered. However, between 1991 and 1993, Focus on the Family did provide grants in support of the NDP Task Force. Since then, the Task Force has been completely self-supported.
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So much for that, then.


 
Abortion rate peaked in 1981 under former President Reagan (though he had just taken office), and is at the lowest rate since 1973 as of 2011, under President Obama. The abortion rate had been falling until it “stalled” between 2005 and 2008, under former President Bush.

According to a new study by Guttmacher, the abortion rate fell by 13% under Obama. Declines were the steepest in the Midwest and West, and “less steep yet noteworthy” in the South and Northeast (emphasis mine):
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Buy a ####### clue already

 
Anyone check out the other headlines on that site? :lmao:

WTF is up with the Girl Scout hate?? :lmao:

Not just Britain! Babies burned in U.S. too

War on women? When men force abortion

Feminist: Babies are 'time-sucking monsters'

Girl Scout cookie fight surges

Girl Scout cookie boycott to hit business climate?

Boycott goal: Crumble Girl Scout cookie sales

Millions more asked to 'just say no' to Girl Scout cookies

WHAT!? A boycott of Girl Scout cookies?

Porn professor goes berserk on campus

Midwife fired for refusing to do abortions

Fugitive abortionist nabbed after decade on run

Obama's cringe-worthy remarks about slaying babies

Report: How men conned feminists into abortion

Devil worshippers cringe over 'hail Satan' abortion chants

Babies drowned alive in toxic liquid

Abortion-clinic worker: Baby 'swimming' in toilet

'Pattern emerges' of abortionists covering for child sex-traffickers

Girl's 'forced' abortion blamed on government 'death panel'

'Scheme' to 'peddle abortions' investigated

Does this look like a baby to you?

Girl Scouts hiding secret sex agenda?

Girl Scouts taught how to be 'hot'

Planned Parenthood hides child sex abuse 10 times!

 
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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I'm not taking a stand one way or another, but the laws seem to contradict themselves. Clearly the law agrees with you in that the fetus isn't a human life or how could abortion be legal? Yet, if a pregnant woman is assaulted and the baby dies, the perp would get charged with murder.
 
NCCommish said:
Abortion rate peaked in 1981 under former President Reagan (though he had just taken office), and is at the lowest rate since 1973 as of 2011, under President Obama. The abortion rate had been falling until it stalled between 2005 and 2008, under former President Bush.



According to a new study by Guttmacher, the abortion rate fell by 13% under Obama. Declines were the steepest in the Midwest and West, and less steep yet noteworthy in the South and Northeast (emphasis mine):
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Buy a ####### clue already
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How he espost to do that when Obama take all his money with teh alltime sky high income taxing?

 
You want to decrease abortions. Start spending money on sex ed and increase funding to planned parenthood. If you want to stop all abortions just stick your head in the sand.

 
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.

But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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This probably won't end well, but can you explain your rationale for why you don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life?

 
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.

But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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Which is quite simply the most ridiculous belief I've ever read. More illogical than creationism, YEC, global warming or any other "hot topics" combined.

 
bucs4life_99 said:
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.

But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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This probably won't end well, but can you explain your rationale for why you don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life?
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Because when a fetus passes through the birth canal, "magic happens" and it turns into a homo sapien.

 
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Yes by all means, let's go down this road. Surely within a couple of pages we will reach a consensus on ####### abortion. That's not really a hotbutton topic usually.

I found it much more fun to ridicule the kook website.

 
shader said:
bucs4life_99 said:
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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This probably won't end well, but can you explain your rationale for why you don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life?
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Because when a fetus passes through the birth canal, "magic happens" and it turns into a homo sapien.
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If you consider separating the mother from the baby "magic", so be it. After all you do worship rabbits that lay eggs and give children candy.

 
bucs4life_99 said:
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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This probably won't end well, but can you explain your rationale for why you don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life?
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I doubt there is anything I can tell you on this subject which you haven't already heard many times.
 
timschochet said:
bucs4life_99 said:
timschochet said:
Jayrod said:
timschochet said:
When I was 22 I got a girl pregnant. It's not that we weren't careful, but the condom slipped off- just one time, but that was it. I thought I was in love with her, but I wasn't- I was incredibly immature, and I was in love with the idea of having a girlfriend. (I had been a nerd in high school, so it took a while). Even so, I offered to marry her. I was in my 3rd year of college. She was working as a waitress.

Anyhow, she declined, and decided to get an abortion. I paid for it, drove her to the clinic, drove her home. My feelings at the time were entirely selfish- would she still want to be with me afterwards? About the abortion itself, I had no feeling one way or the other. I was numb. She broke up with me a few weeks later, and that made me miserable.

Several months after that I met the woman who became my wife. We've now been married over 20 years, and have two lovely children. I still think back about what would have happened if my girlfriend had chosen to have that baby? My entire life would have changed, and honestly, for the worst.
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This is the kind of story that makes us pro-lifers livid and is exactly what I'd guess leads to abortions the vast majority of the time. You always hear the outrage over banning abortions because of rape and incest cases, but in reality it is a backup form of birth control for people who are casual and/or careless about sex.In my mind you and her decided to abort the baby because you had sex before you were ready to be parents and it was more convenient for you both that the baby die than you take responsibility for your actions.

The choice was to have sex. After that, you shouldn't be able to kill a living human just out of inconvenience. I know that isn't PC, but that is exactly how I feel.
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I understand your feelings, Jayrod. Keep in mind that she's the one who decided to have an abortion. I would have supported her decision whatever it was. Despite my immaturity and unreadiness, I did offer to marry her. I would have honored that.But ultimately my disagreement with you has nothing to do with motives- I simply don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life. So I don't feel the guilt that you would feel over my girlfriends' decisions.
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This probably won't end well, but can you explain your rationale for why you don't believe an abortion is the taking of a human life?
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I doubt there is anything I can tell you on this subject which you haven't already heard many times.
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Perhaps -- I haven't discussed it at any great length. My interest mainly comes from a book I read by Peter Singer, who is probably one of the most well known current philosophers and also a strong proponent of abortion.

Interestingly enough, he basically dismisses the idea that abortion is not the taking of human life as a flawed argument since human life most definitely begins at conception. Where he attacks the anti-abortion argument, though, is on the basis that it is sometimes ok to kill an innocent human being.

I don't know a lot of the science behind it, but the way he presented it was that people who believe human life begins at some other time basically don't know anything about science or embryology, which I found surprising because I had always heard the "where does life begin" argument as the primary defense of abortion.

Like I said, I just found it interesting because this was not some schmo with a blog, this was Peter Singer, a proponent of abortion, basically saying the whole "life doesn't begin at conception" argument doesn't really hold water.

 
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