commish question (1 Viewer)

[lion_crazz]

This past week, the owner in my league who had Nate Kaeding put in a request for a kicker on Sunday morning because he realized Kaeding was not playing. He asked for David Akers and I ok'ed the transaction. No problem normally. However, I did not realize that David Akers was just dropped on Friday and our league rules state that a player must be on waivers for a full week before he is able to be picked up. Akers did not wind up being the winning factor, but the person who faced Akers realized that Akers was not a legal pick-up and told me this on Tuesday morning. He said he wanted to let me know because the illegal points gained by Akers could wind up playing a factor in tiebreakers at the end of the season, since a three way tie is broken by highest points scored.

How do I resolve this issue? I can't give the owner a 0 for his kicker because it was my mistake. The only two things I thought of were to give him the average of all the kickers who were free agents for week 7, or to give him the point total for Kaeding's back-up, who was Kris Brown. Or possibly do I just leave the whole thing alone because it was my mistake?

What do you guys think?

 

[emge]

points stay... it was your a mistake... #### happens when u do this manually. the other ppl should have complained before the games started

 

[GoBears84]

It's really HIS mistake. He waited until Sunday and he made an inappropriate request. You compounded it. I would just apologize to the league and let it go...

But if somebody drops a player during weekly waivers - nobody can pick them up that week? That seems wrong. Nothing better than picking up a dropped player and using him successfully...

 

[Chaka]

Tell them that as soon as the NFL credits the Vikings for Shiancoe's TD and wipes Quarless' TD off the board you will negate Akers points. Until then they're SOL.

 

[glong989]

Leave the points as is.

What if the Eagles were shutout last week? You think anyone in the league says anything about it and tells you that since it's an illegal pickup you should either average the kickers or give him Kris Brown's points? I don't think so.

 

[lion_crazz]

Tell them that as soon as the NFL credits the Vikings for Shiancoe's TD and wipes Quarless' TD off the board you will negate Akers points. Until then they're SOL.

That's actually a great point that I did not think of. The NFL Commish does not go back and change mistakes that they make. Why would a fantasy football league do so?The question then remains, does Akers go back in the free agent pool for this week or do I leave him on the roster of the person who got him technically illegally?

 

[The_Wolfman]

Why did the guy wait until Tuesday to tell you? He might have a case if he mentioned it before or during Akers' game. Apologize for the mistake and try to do better next time, but the points should stay.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

You acted in good faith, so it's not on you, in my opinion. I'd take the points away if I were you but can't disagree with some of the points made thus far.

 

[glong989]

Tell them that as soon as the NFL credits the Vikings for Shiancoe's TD and wipes Quarless' TD off the board you will negate Akers points. Until then they're SOL.

That's actually a great point that I did not think of. The NFL Commish does not go back and change mistakes that they make. Why would a fantasy football league do so?The question then remains, does Akers go back in the free agent pool for this week or do I leave him on the roster of the person who got him technically illegally?

Leave him there. Move on.

 

[da_budman]

It's really HIS mistake. He waited until Sunday and he made an inappropriate request. You compounded it. I would just apologize to the league and let it go...But if somebody drops a player during weekly waivers - nobody can pick them up that week? That seems wrong. Nothing better than picking up a dropped player and using him successfully...

Agreed that it was his mistake but also the commishs mistake as well. I am assuming you have a waiver wire that runs and then fiest come first serve after that. If that is the case sense the pickup was in fact illegal I would make the guy dive up Akers so that he can rightfully go through wavers. This would probably require manual waivers next week but it is an equitable answer to a compounf problem. As to why nobody can pick them up there is a simple answer. Suppose your buddy who is out of the playoff race tells you heis about to drop a good player and you scoop him up being the only one who knew in advance? Simply put everybody should have the same knowledge of who is and isnt available to be picked up. Only players who were passed over in the normal waiver wire process are eligible for first come first serve.

 

[Black]

points stay... it was your a mistake... #### happens when u do this manually. the other ppl should have complained before the games started

Agree with all of this. It is your job to put the rules in place and enforce them as well and fairly as possible. It is the responsibility of the league to validate the scoring and their lineups. They have to live with the fact that mistakes are made.Just tell them 'I made a mistake, and the points will remain.'

 

[Nemesis]

This past week, the owner in my league who had Nate Kaeding put in a request for a kicker on Sunday morning because he realized Kaeding was not playing. He asked for David Akers and I ok'ed the transaction. However, I did not realize that David Akers was just dropped on Friday and our league rules state that a player must be on waivers for a full week before he is able to be picked up.

Question 1: Why didn't the owner go to the website and pick up a kicker himself?......pls explain, b/c if he had tried to p/u Akers, wouldn't the website have blocked him for completing the p/u?Question 2: For all those saying that he gets to keep Akers.............what if this p/u was a RB like D.Brown?Would you STILL be saying he gets to keep that player w/o going thru waivers?IMHO, the proper thing to do is to admit the mistake, the score & points from this past wkend stands "as is", and Akers is put back into the waiver pool for everyone.

 

[firstseason1988]

Dude, didn't read all answers but this is solution and case closed.

It's the team picking up Akers responsibility to know whether or not he is eligible to be picked up. He should have thought about it long before Sunday morning. Not your job to keep up with that stuff, especially that late in the week, he needs to pay attention to his own team, take away points. case closed. You let him off now and stick to the rules on someone else, it becomes bigger problem. Since it doesn't seem to matter so much now, do it now.

 

[thebestupsman]

Leave the points and let Akers go through waivers. It was an illegal pickup, but the other owner should have said something before Tuesday.

 

[Topes]

I, too, have many questions.

Why, in 2010, isn't this handled automatically? - That's my main question.

My feeling is that the mistake is definitely majority-owned by the Akers-requester.

No two ways about it: The pickup should be rescinded. The owner should get 0 points.

You're setting a very bad precedent, if you let it stand.

You are very fortunate that the points did not affect the outcome of the game.

I suspect that a greater portion of respondents to this thread would be in favor of nullifying the pickup if Aker's points won the game for that team.

 

[Phantom Knight]

This past week, the owner in my league who had Nate Kaeding put in a request for a kicker on Sunday morning because he realized Kaeding was not playing. He asked for David Akers and I ok'ed the transaction. No problem normally. However, I did not realize that David Akers was just dropped on Friday and our league rules state that a player must be on waivers for a full week before he is able to be picked up. Akers did not wind up being the winning factor, but the person who faced Akers realized that Akers was not a legal pick-up and told me this on Tuesday morning. He said he wanted to let me know because the illegal points gained by Akers could wind up playing a factor in tiebreakers at the end of the season, since a three way tie is broken by highest points scored. How do I resolve this issue? I can't give the owner a 0 for his kicker because it was my mistake. The only two things I thought of were to give him the average of all the kickers who were free agents for week 7, or to give him the point total for Kaeding's back-up, who was Kris Brown. Or possibly do I just leave the whole thing alone because it was my mistake?What do you guys think?

Points stay. Deduct the points from your score instead (just joking!). Seriously, points stay. Apologize for your mistake and move on. The only other possible alternative I would see, would be to pick some outside 3rd party source that ranks kickers (FBG, for example) and then exchange Akers for the kicker that was ranked highest going into week 7 games.

 

[Kleck]

I'm siding with Topes here and say no points and Kaeding goes back on the roster. And also agree with him in that you're setting a very bad precedent if you let it stand.

If the rules state that the player must be on waivers for a week before they can be picked up then Akers should not have been added. I commish a few leagues, and my opinion has always been that the commish is not above the law, but the enforcer of it. If the rules leave interpretation, or the rule isn't clear, then I will make a judgment call and stick with it until the season is over where a vote can take place to better clarify the rule. In this case, the rule appears to be pretty clear.

 

[Topes]

I can't give the owner a 0 for his kicker because it was my mistake.

Of course, you can.It was more his mistake than yours, IMO.Owners are responsible for knowing their league rules.What if you had not seen his request until after kickoff? BUT, when you saw the request, you instantly noticed that Akers was not a free agent?In that scenario, I'd imagine the best course of action would have been to send him an email that said "sorry I didn't catch this until after kickoff, but your invalid request will be denied. you're sol."Owner submitted an illegal lineup, basically, as it included a player that was not eligible to be on his team.In the first several weeks of the season, many a league realizes their commish incorrectly set up the lineup requirements on the league management site. In such instances, a reasonable response is that owners are responsible for knowing their league rules, for knowing what a legal lineup is and knowing the consequenses of setting an illegal lineup.This is similar to that.It's on all owners to know their league rules and be responsible to their league rules.However unfortunate it is that you have put yourself (as commish) in the position of having to double-check whether owners are abiding by the rules while manually administering waiver claims, your mistake is still second to the team owner's mistake.

 

[Kleck]

I can't give the owner a 0 for his kicker because it was my mistake.

Of course, you can.It was more his mistake than yours, IMO.Owners are responsible for knowing their league rules.

Exactly. Allowing someone to break the rules and let it stand is a far greater mistake. You can save your integrity by admitting you were wrong to allow it in the first place, and by going back and correcting it now.

 

[Captain Hook]

As a commissioner this seems pretty obvious ......not a valid pickup.....points deducted; Akers off roster and now on waivers; Kaeding returned to roster

ANYTHING else sets a terrible precedent

Apologize, fix it and move on

 

[da_budman]

I can't give the owner a 0 for his kicker because it was my mistake.

Of course, you can.It was more his mistake than yours, IMO.Owners are responsible for knowing their league rules.What if you had not seen his request until after kickoff? BUT, when you saw the request, you instantly noticed that Akers was not a free agent?In that scenario, I'd imagine the best course of action would have been to send him an email that said "sorry I didn't catch this until after kickoff, but your invalid request will be denied. you're sol."Owner submitted an illegal lineup, basically, as it included a player that was not eligible to be on his team.In the first several weeks of the season, many a league realizes their commish incorrectly set up the lineup requirements on the league management site. In such instances, a reasonable response is that owners are responsible for knowing their league rules, for knowing what a legal lineup is and knowing the consequenses of setting an illegal lineup.This is similar to that.It's on all owners to know their league rules and be responsible to their league rules.However unfortunate it is that you have put yourself (as commish) in the position of having to double-check whether owners are abiding by the rules while manually administering waiver claims, your mistake is still second to the team owner's mistake.

I agree with most of what you said but take issue with your hypothetical. While the problem was mostly with the owner picking up someone who wasnt available, the commish erred by actually putting the request through. So the owner puts through the request, checks his lineup and sees Akers and all is right with the world in his eyes. Once the commish actually made the change any chance the owner had to correct his error was effectively gone. You say what if the commish didnt see it? Then the owner can check his lineup, realize the change hasnt been made, then call the commish to correct the problem. I am not saying this would definitely happen but it is certainly a possibility. I think your second anaology is a bit closer but still quite different than this situation. I still say split the baby. Give the guy the points since you screwed up as well and wffectively eliminated any chance of him rectifying his mistake before kickoff....then put Akers back in the free agent pool for the whole league to potentially pick up on the waiver wire.