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Commissioner changes schedule in the middle of the season (1 Viewer)

mike11162

Footballguy
I'm in a dynasty league with 12 teams, 3 divisions. We play a 13 week schedule and we are supposed to play each team in our division twice and 7 of the other 8 teams once. Commissioner apparently set the schedule wrong after he randomized divisions and we were scheduled to play teams outside our division twice. After week 8's games someone noticed he was playing a team outside his division for a second time in week 9. He posts about it, and the commissioner decides that it's necessary to correct it now and changes the entire schedule, including the previous 8 weeks games. I think it's bs to change a schedule after games are already played, and it also costs me a win, dropping me from 6-2 to 5-3. I don't think he can change the schedule back now since he changed the schedule completely on the site already and I'm not sure there's a way to find what it was previously. What should be done?

 

parasaurolophus

Footballguy
Nothing you can do, but I agree its crap.

I was pretty annoyed that our commissioner changed the schedule from 13 regular season games to 14 regular season games midseason. This of course has me playing the first place team one extra time and the guy that is one game behind me in my division gets to play the last place team one extra time. I thought that was pretty bad. Yours is far worse.

 

mike11162

Footballguy
Did your commish's record improve, by any chance?
No, I checked that. I don't think he did it to improve his standing, he thought he was doing the right thing fixing the schedule towards what it was supposed to be, but his timing is flawed. You don't change a schedule halfway through a season.

To the poster who asked if I get the report emails to me, no, I don't have it sent there. I check the site regularly so figured I don't need it. And I'm in 9 leagues and if I got the email in every league, I'd have a flooded inbox. Maybe a ticket to MFL can get it restored, but I don't know.

 
The Commish is wrong for changing the schedule mid-season. IMO once the draft is completed, the only way anything should be changed from that point until the end of the year is by a unanimous vote despite the fact that it was clearly his fault.

Is this a big money league? If not, the guy who brought it up is also wrong for crying about playing the same non-division team twice. Is the team he's facing the top team in the other division? No way this guy would complain if he were facing a total pushover twice. The commish might've screwed this up, but the guy crying about is the one who would annoy me most about this situation. It's just fantasy football. Stop complaining and play.

 

Agent575

Footballguy
Complaining is what people do. He is a sissy ##### but the commish is the ultimate tool here.

I doubt this can be fixed now but it is unexcuseable and quitting the league at years end is the only answer. I would recommend to him what he should have done so there is a chance that in the future he gets it right but I would just tell him that I can't trust him to run a league properly so I am going elsewhere.

That sucks man.

 

xfactor99

Footballguy
This is why as commish I always make sure I create the schedule before the draft starts. People cant complain that way and they would have a legitimate grievance if I did change it halfway through.

 

mike11162

Footballguy
Went through each team's schedule and 4 teams gained wins, 3 teams lost wins, 5 stayed the same. One team went from 4-4 to 1-7, another went from 6-2 to 4-4, and mine went from 6-2 to 5-3. One went from 5-3 to 7-1, one from 3-5 to 5-3, one from 3-5 to 4-4 (the guy who first complained) and another from 1-7 to 2-6. The commish was among the teams that stayed the same.

It is a $100 league, and on top of that I already paid for next year in full because I traded my first rounder next year and per rules I was required to do that.

So far no one else has complained, but he hasn't updated the standings (so it reflects record before he changed the schedule), but I just posted how the standings will change once he does that.

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
I had a commish change scoring one year in a league. He was loaded at receiver and his running backs sucked so he changed it to PPR.

The only thing you can do is ride it out and find a new league next year.

 

Tool

Footballguy
i can actually see the argument for switching back. commish is in a tough spot. Now everyone has the record they would have had if the mistake hadn't been made. Commish isn't benefitting. Sounds like he's just trying to do the right thing.

 

jonboltz

Footballguy
I'm the team going from 4-4 to 1-7.

This was a very, very surprising decision by the commish; a guy who posts on here regularly and is fairly well known in the dynasty community. My team actually deserves to be pretty bad, its a rebuild and got really lucky to be 4-4. Though part of me would have loved to make the playoffs with the emergence of Gio and Reed, and return of Percy. I could do some damage.

 

nobiz

Footballguy
?????????he changed the prior weeks' schedules??????????

I have been playing fantasy sports for 20 years and thought I'd seen everything. Until 2 minutes ago.

 

Godsbrother

Footballguy
I can definitely see being upset about it, especially the guy that went from 4-4 to 1-7, but in reality this where he would have been anyway, right? It's not like you change your starting lineup based upon who your fantasy opponent is.

The only other thing the commish can do would be to let the game results stand and rearrange the divisions based on the schedule, which might not be a bad option.

 

shadyridr

Footballguy
I can definitely see being upset about it, especially the guy that went from 4-4 to 1-7, but in reality this where he would have been anyway, right? It's not like you change your starting lineup based upon who your fantasy opponent is.

The only other thing the commish can do would be to let the game results stand and rearrange the divisions based on the schedule, which might not be a bad option.
Probably not but your record affects what kind of trades youre gonna make (especially in a Dynasty league) and possibly waivers.

 

Godsbrother

Footballguy
I can definitely see being upset about it, especially the guy that went from 4-4 to 1-7, but in reality this where he would have been anyway, right? It's not like you change your starting lineup based upon who your fantasy opponent is.

The only other thing the commish can do would be to let the game results stand and rearrange the divisions based on the schedule, which might not be a bad option.
Probably not but your record affects what kind of trades youre gonna make (especially in a Dynasty league) and possibly waivers.
Good point.

 

Shrek

Having a great season
You can't change the results of games played. That's some BS. You gotta find a new league.

 

Apple Jack

Footballguy
I can definitely see being upset about it, especially the guy that went from 4-4 to 1-7, but in reality this where he would have been anyway, right? It's not like you change your starting lineup based upon who your fantasy opponent is.

The only other thing the commish can do would be to let the game results stand and rearrange the divisions based on the schedule, which might not be a bad option.
This. In addition to going against the rules stated at the beginning of the season, somebody was surely getting the short end of the stick. Regardless, it should have been talked out by everybody in the league rather than the commissioner just doing it.

 
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4th&inches

Footballguy
I can definitely see being upset about it, especially the guy that went from 4-4 to 1-7, but in reality this where he would have been anyway, right? It's not like you change your starting lineup based upon who your fantasy opponent is.

The only other thing the commish can do would be to let the game results stand and rearrange the divisions based on the schedule, which might not be a bad option.
Probably not but your record affects what kind of trades youre gonna make (especially in a Dynasty league) and possibly waivers.
this is what I was about to say. As a commish in multiple leagues, "IF" this had happened in any of my leagues, I would try to adjust the schedule to accommodate the teams playing their division 2x MOVING FORWARD. You can't change what happened in the past b/c record dictates moves that are made.

during the 1st 8 weeks, if you're say 0-4 are you trading to win now or looking at next year? If your say 6-1 are you more likely to drop that player on the bottom of your bench who "might" break out late this year/ next year or try to pick up the hot player for the week to keep winning, etc...

Just my opinion, but the only fair options at this time (since the commish already screwed up) is to either keep the schedule the way it was originally or change the remaining games to try to have each division team play eachother again.

 

nobiz

Footballguy
I can definitely see being upset about it, especially the guy that went from 4-4 to 1-7, but in reality this where he would have been anyway, right? It's not like you change your starting lineup based upon who your fantasy opponent is.

The only other thing the commish can do would be to let the game results stand and rearrange the divisions based on the schedule, which might not be a bad option.
I peek at my opponent's lineups all the time, including using the waiver wire on blowout wins/losses. An example: I was being blown out last week (vs Stafford/Johnson guy) so I dropped Suisham for bye-week Vinatieri right before the late game. Took the 0 points in the slot for the week to set myself up better,

 

Dr. Octopus

Footballguy
Did your commish's record improve, by any chance?
No, I checked that. I don't think he did it to improve his standing, he thought he was doing the right thing fixing the schedule towards what it was supposed to be, but his timing is flawed. You don't change a schedule halfway through a season.

To the poster who asked if I get the report emails to me, no, I don't have it sent there. I check the site regularly so figured I don't need it. And I'm in 9 leagues and if I got the email in every league, I'd have a flooded inbox. Maybe a ticket to MFL can get it restored, but I don't know.
How did no one notice that the schedule wasn't correct until Week 8? It should be pretty obvious that you weren't playing teams in your division twice by one quick glance at the schedule.

 

Spin

Footballguy
Only time you should change ANYTHING mid season is with a vote by the owners. And then it should be 80%-100% needed to change it.

 

mike11162

Footballguy
i can actually see the argument for switching back. commish is in a tough spot. Now everyone has the record they would have had if the mistake hadn't been made. Commish isn't benefitting. Sounds like he's just trying to do the right thing.
Yes and no. He might be setting the schedule correctly now by the original parameters, but it's generated randomly and the actual matchups week by week can vary in thousands of ways. Any team that gained wins could have just as easily lost wins if the schedule were arranged differently and still adhered to the underlying parameters.

The biggest problem for me is the changing of matchups week by week. Let alone that lineup decisions, trades and waiver moves could be affected by perceived previous matchups, but for me the biggest problem is the fact I now was tracking my players against the wrong opponents. For me a large part of the fun is tracking my players and my opponent's players while the games are being played. Now I feel half cheated because I was rooting against the wrong players.

I didn't notice because it's not my job to set the schedule right. I'm not the commish, and I just set my lineups based on what the schedule says. Problem came up because he randomized the divisions before the season, which is done each year. He forgot to adjust the schedule after he did that. Honest mistake but one he should have gotten correct from the start.

I know the commish is trying to do the right thing, and I don't have any animosity towards him for it. But he didn't take into account/realize the unintended consequences of what he did.

 

Don Quixote

Footballguy
I once had a commish process scoring changes in Week 9 going back to Week 1, changing the outcomes of some earlier games. I thought that was pretty egregious. This is about 10x more so.

 

Steel City

Footballguy
Why not just accept that the commissioner made a mistake and leave the schedule as it is? I find it ridiculous that teams would have wins taken away.

A change like this in the middle of the season should require a supermajority vote.

 

Dr. Octopus

Footballguy
Why not just accept that the commissioner made a mistake and leave the schedule as it is? I find it ridiculous that teams would have wins taken away.

A change like this in the middle of the season should require a supermajority vote.
Honestly the best solution would have been to leave things as they were. Not playing the proper teams the proper amount of times, is far less egrecious than changing the past weeks' results and messing up everything, including waivers, trades, standings etc.

I don't see how the commish thought this was the "right thing" to do. Not saying he had dishonest intentions, but it just seems so misguided.

 

The Football Freak

Footballguy
Why not go back and just rearrange the games so that both the schedule is correct and each team has at least close to the same record they had? It would take some work, but if he puts the puzzle pieces together correctly, he might be able to get everyone to the correct win-loss and have the rest of the games play out correctly. It's not perfect, but the commish should put a little effort in here to maintain the records. If I went from 4-4 to 1-7 overnight, man, I would be PISSED!

 
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stugnut

Footballguy
The commish set a schedule before the season started but entered it incorrectly into the league site. He is now correcting that mistake. A tough spot for him but it's the correct call.

Remember, playoff seeding rests on how you do against division opponents and why you play them twice; the current and incorrect schedule becomes almost meaningless for playoff seeding and tiebreakers and it needs to be fixed.

 

Dr. Octopus

Footballguy
The commish set a schedule before the season started but entered it incorrectly into the league site. He is now correcting that mistake. A tough spot for him but it's the correct call.

Remember, playoff seeding rests on how you do against division opponents and why you play them twice; the current and incorrect schedule becomes almost meaningless for playoff seeding and tiebreakers and it needs to be fixed.
He could have just eliminated the divisions altogether for this one season and had the top 6 (or whatever the number is) make the playoffs this year. imo he compounded his original mistake by making a far bigger mistake and tainting the season.

 

DeaLerZ

Footballguy
you absolutely cannot go back and change the schedule... he messed up.. that's his issue.. but there has to be other alternatives to correcting this....

Change the Schedule moving forward.. if it can't be corrected to where everyone plays teams in their division twice...

than you just go by overall wins, and points.. screw divisions for the year

schedule needs to be re-adjusted to what it was before....

 

Mr.Pack

Footballguy
The commish set a schedule before the season started but entered it incorrectly into the league site. He is now correcting that mistake. A tough spot for him but it's the correct call.

Remember, playoff seeding rests on how you do against division opponents and why you play them twice; the current and incorrect schedule becomes almost meaningless for playoff seeding and tiebreakers and it needs to be fixed.
This is kind of how I see it.

He made a mistake, and everyone jumping down his throat is ridiculous. People make mistakes. Like others have said, he changed it back to where it should have been anyway.

Tough spot to be in for sure.

 

Mr.Pack

Footballguy
The commish set a schedule before the season started but entered it incorrectly into the league site. He is now correcting that mistake. A tough spot for him but it's the correct call.

Remember, playoff seeding rests on how you do against division opponents and why you play them twice; the current and incorrect schedule becomes almost meaningless for playoff seeding and tiebreakers and it needs to be fixed.
He could have just eliminated the divisions altogether for this one season and had the top 6 (or whatever the number is) make the playoffs this year. imo he compounded his original mistake by making a far bigger mistake and tainting the season.
This would be a decent option too, but hindsight is 20/20

 

Ignoratio Elenchi

Footballguy
There is no way you can go back and retroactively change the schedule. The most obvious issue would be if you have a waiver system that's based on record or anything like that (I'm assuming/hoping you don't).

Especially in a dynasty/keeper league, your record often informs the way you manage your team. A team that's 2-4 through six weeks might make different decisions than a team that's 4-2. This should be obvious to anyone who's played fantasy football for any length of time. Right now I'm sitting in 8th place in my ten-team local keeper league, and am currently entertaining trade offers to try to build for next season. If I had a few more wins right now, I'd be looking to make a run at this year's title instead.

And in particular, one of the owners who made me a trade offer this week wants to send me a player on bye week 10. I'm playing my biggest rival in week 10, so I countered with something different because I don't want to be shorthanded that week. Now imagine I manage my team under that framework, and three weeks from now you go back and change my schedule so that instead I'm playing someone else week 10 and ended up playing my rival in week 8. In fact, I often try to "sneak one past" the other guy when I make trades, and send him players that I know are on bye the week I play against him. You can't go and change the schedule after the fact, as I would've made a different trade had I known we'd be using a different schedule.

By changing the schedule halfway through the season, you're not changing things from "how they are" to "the way they would have been if the schedule had been right all along." You're changing them from "how they are" to some alternate reality where teams played out half the season and then suddenly half the league had their records changed. That's not "the way things would have been."

Your commissioner made a small mistake with the schedule at the beginning of the season. You don't fix a small mistake by making an even bigger mistake halfway through the season. Have him change it back and look for a new commissioner or league after the season is over.

 

CalBear

Footballguy
I once made a similar mistake as commish. Noticed it 5 weeks into the season. I was able to fix the rest of the matchups to make it work out, but it was a big, manual task, and I had some luck in terms of what games had already been played or it would have been impossible.

But I never considered going back and changing the schedule of games that had already been played. Still wouldn't. We have a "games are final on Wednesday" clause that makes it pretty clear you can't do this; that's one of the things that every league should have (and it's in the post by that name).

 

Godsbrother

Footballguy
The commish set a schedule before the season started but entered it incorrectly into the league site. He is now correcting that mistake. A tough spot for him but it's the correct call.

Remember, playoff seeding rests on how you do against division opponents and why you play them twice; the current and incorrect schedule becomes almost meaningless for playoff seeding and tiebreakers and it needs to be fixed.
That is why I suggested restructuring the divisions to match the schedule.

 

mike11162

Footballguy
Update, he pretty much said FU to everyone, updated the standings and said in his post the matchups stay changed, without any input from the rest of the league or vote. It's also not the first time he did something shady this season. A few weeks ago, after learning that he messed up setting the time schedule for FCFS wrong, he changed the time blind bids processed to 2 hours earlier without notifying anyone. A few asked what happened and he never bothered to respond. I didn't think it was that big a deal at the time, but now after this latest BS there is strong question of his integrity.

 

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