Commissioner Transaction question? (1 Viewer)

[cjack]

I'm the commissioner in our league and have been for several years. I think once before, and again yesterday with Selvin Young, an owner dropped a player that I then wanted to pick up. However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

We do not have any type of waiver process, it's just first come first serve on free agents.

So, in this case, and the case last year or whenever it was, I decided I would wait 24 hours. However, I missed out in both cases because another owner put in a request before 24 hours had elapsed.

What's a fair time to wait in a case like this?

In this case, Young was picked up once the news on Henry's pot trouble came through, and a total of three owners put in a request. I was going to pick him up yesterday afternoon just based on Henry's injury speculation.

The owner who dropped him yesterday dropped him for Kenton Keith because he owns Addai. He then tried to pick Young back up and drop someone else, but another owner beat him to the punch.

I'm not really concerned in this case, I'm happy for the owner that got him because he needs the help, but I just want to know the best way to handle it for the future to avoid any future problems. I am considering a waiver wire process for next year and beyond, but assume for this purpose that we'll keep the free agent acquistion process the same, since it will be for the remainder of this year at least.

 

[KellysHeroes]

when its Add/Drop period... there should be no time limit on a dropped player... once hes dropped; hes avalible to everyone.

 

[cjack]

when its Add/Drop period... there should be no time limit on a dropped player... once hes dropped; hes avalible to everyone.

Yea, but if I don't wait, I'll have the first chance to add any player that's dropped. Usually, that's not a big deal because people tend to drop crappy players, but every once in a while, someone drops a player that I would like to add, in this case Selvin Young.If I don't wait at all, I would effectively be able to add him to my roster before anyone else even got a chance to see that he was dropped.

 

[Angrymutt]

I'm the commissioner in our league and have been for several years. I think once before, and again yesterday with Selvin Young, an owner dropped a player that I then wanted to pick up. However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.We do not have any type of waiver process, it's just first come first serve on free agents.So, in this case, and the case last year or whenever it was, I decided I would wait 24 hours. However, I missed out in both cases because another owner put in a request before 24 hours had elapsed.What's a fair time to wait in a case like this?In this case, Young was picked up once the news on Henry's pot trouble came through, and a total of three owners put in a request. I was going to pick him up yesterday afternoon just based on Henry's injury speculation.The owner who dropped him yesterday dropped him for Kenton Keith because he owns Addai. He then tried to pick Young back up and drop someone else, but another owner beat him to the punch.I'm not really concerned in this case, I'm happy for the owner that got him because he needs the help, but I just want to know the best way to handle it for the future to avoid any future problems. I am considering a waiver wire process for next year and beyond, but assume for this purpose that we'll keep the free agent acquistion process the same, since it will be for the remainder of this year at least.

One thought is have players locked till next week. You also can lock all players from being picked up (dropped at the Waiver Wire deadline or FA's) for 18 hours. Gives time for people in other time zones to have a fair shot at seeing who is available. Some services that manage leagues allow owners to block waiver pick ups from the commish until past the deadline. Keeps it all fair.

 

[perry147]

when its Add/Drop period... there should be no time limit on a dropped player... once hes dropped; hes avalible to everyone.

But with that you run into the problem in which the commish makes a drop and then immediately picks up this player for his own team - this gives a very unfair advantage to the commish.

 

[mozzy84]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

 

[mrspree15]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Yeah that makes no sense to me either. Explain this immediately!

 

[cjack]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Not in this case. The drop was part of an add/drop that I had to approve. So, only after I approved the add of Keith, did the drop of Young go through. So, I had first knowledge of the drop.I could change it so I don't have to approve add/drops but I have a couple of concerns with that. One, some people don't pay enough attention to roster requirements, so I have to double check their roster before I approve an add/drop to make sure they stay within positional requirements. Second, in the event there are any problems with the site, I like to have the option of owners letting me know via phone or e-mail of a transaction. So, before I approve an add/drop on the site, I check my e-mail and phone to make sure someone else didn't put in an earlier claim.

I think next year I will go to a more formal waiver wire process which will prevent this problem, but I don't want to change the rule in mid-season. So, I'll likely ride it out this year. That said, what's a fair time for me to wait before I pounce on a recently dropped player?

It's a pretty rare occurence that I want to add a player that someone else just dropped, but it has happened at least twice to my recollection. I can't remember the player involved before Young this year, but it was somewhat baffling that the owner dropped the player at the time.

 

[Angrymutt]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Not in this case. The drop was part of an add/drop that I had to approve. So, only after I approved the add of Keith, did the drop of Young go through. So, I had first knowledge of the drop.I could change it so I don't have to approve add/drops but I have a couple of concerns with that. One, some people don't pay enough attention to roster requirements, so I have to double check their roster before I approve an add/drop to make sure they stay within positional requirements. Second, in the event there are any problems with the site, I like to have the option of owners letting me know via phone or e-mail of a transaction. So, before I approve an add/drop on the site, I check my e-mail and phone to make sure someone else didn't put in an earlier claim.

I think next year I will go to a more formal waiver wire process which will prevent this problem, but I don't want to change the rule in mid-season. So, I'll likely ride it out this year. That said, what's a fair time for me to wait before I pounce on a recently dropped player?

It's a pretty rare occurence that I want to add a player that someone else just dropped, but it has happened at least twice to my recollection. I can't remember the player involved before Young this year, but it was somewhat baffling that the owner dropped the player at the time.

Add/Drops shouldn't be have to be approved by the commish. You're making your job to hard. Next year move to a site that pretty much takes care of all your administration needs. But it really depends on how serious the league is. If teams can't manage their own squad requirements and it really hasn't been a problem just go with it.

 

[moondawg]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Not in this case. The drop was part of an add/drop that I had to approve. So, only after I approved the add of Keith, did the drop of Young go through. So, I had first knowledge of the drop.I could change it so I don't have to approve add/drops but I have a couple of concerns with that. One, some people don't pay enough attention to roster requirements, so I have to double check their roster before I approve an add/drop to make sure they stay within positional requirements. Second, in the event there are any problems with the site, I like to have the option of owners letting me know via phone or e-mail of a transaction. So, before I approve an add/drop on the site, I check my e-mail and phone to make sure someone else didn't put in an earlier claim.

I think next year I will go to a more formal waiver wire process which will prevent this problem, but I don't want to change the rule in mid-season. So, I'll likely ride it out this year. That said, what's a fair time for me to wait before I pounce on a recently dropped player?

It's a pretty rare occurence that I want to add a player that someone else just dropped, but it has happened at least twice to my recollection. I can't remember the player involved before Young this year, but it was somewhat baffling that the owner dropped the player at the time.

This is a horrible procedure. No comissioner should have the authority to approve or disapprove adds and drops. Let the people manage their own teams. There are numerous ff hosting sites both free and pay that will handle all of this automatically.

 

[cjack]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Not in this case. The drop was part of an add/drop that I had to approve. So, only after I approved the add of Keith, did the drop of Young go through. So, I had first knowledge of the drop.I could change it so I don't have to approve add/drops but I have a couple of concerns with that. One, some people don't pay enough attention to roster requirements, so I have to double check their roster before I approve an add/drop to make sure they stay within positional requirements. Second, in the event there are any problems with the site, I like to have the option of owners letting me know via phone or e-mail of a transaction. So, before I approve an add/drop on the site, I check my e-mail and phone to make sure someone else didn't put in an earlier claim.

I think next year I will go to a more formal waiver wire process which will prevent this problem, but I don't want to change the rule in mid-season. So, I'll likely ride it out this year. That said, what's a fair time for me to wait before I pounce on a recently dropped player?

It's a pretty rare occurence that I want to add a player that someone else just dropped, but it has happened at least twice to my recollection. I can't remember the player involved before Young this year, but it was somewhat baffling that the owner dropped the player at the time.

This is a horrible procedure. No comissioner should have the authority to approve or disapprove adds and drops. Let the people manage their own teams. There are numerous ff hosting sites both free and pay that will handle all of this automatically.

Horrible sounds a little strong to me, but I appreciate your comments.Help me understand a couple of issues:

I don't think CBS Sportsline tells an owner when they have an illegal roster when they do an add/drop (correct me if I'm wrong). It will tell you when you have an illegal line-up, but will it tell you that you have too many RBs or WRs on your overall roster? I supposed I could live with people having an illegal roster for a day or two until I check them after add/drops and then make them correct them, but that also seems like a bit of a hassle.

Second, what type of response do you get from other owners when they try to do add/drops and the site is down or not working correctly? It is just tough #### for those owners and they have to keep trying to submit through the site, or is there some other type or recourse?

If I turn off the commissioner approval of add/drops, when do add/drops actually go through? I understand it's instant in most cases, but what about during game time. Will it let you add/drop a player during the games (obviously not a player who's starting)? Or does it queue up requests until a certain time after the games are played?

 

[Dodge]

We have an add/drop period with no waivers. 9am EST Every Tuesday its first come first serve. There was 6 guys waiting to pick of Leonard after that weekend. I luckyly was able to get him to cuff myself against S.Jax. To bad it really didn't matter.

 

[bigums]

Horrible sounds a little strong to me, but I appreciate your comments.Help me understand a couple of issues:I don't think CBS Sportsline tells an owner when they have an illegal roster when they do an add/drop (correct me if I'm wrong). It will tell you when you have an illegal line-up, but will it tell you that you have too many RBs or WRs on your overall roster? I supposed I could live with people having an illegal roster for a day or two until I check them after add/drops and then make them correct them, but that also seems like a bit of a hassle.Second, what type of response do you get from other owners when they try to do add/drops and the site is down or not working correctly? It is just tough #### for those owners and they have to keep trying to submit through the site, or is there some other type or recourse?If I turn off the commissioner approval of add/drops, when do add/drops actually go through? I understand it's instant in most cases, but what about during game time. Will it let you add/drop a player during the games (obviously not a player who's starting)? Or does it queue up requests until a certain time after the games are played?

CBS allows positional limits so you don't have to monitor that type of thing. Then you can allow free-use add/drops. We use a waiver period for all drops (1 day) so that everyone has a fair shot.You can set it so that add/drops aren't allowed once rosters lock. We use the beginning of the week's first game to LOCK the rosters. You can still start/sit players, but no more transactions (including trades) are allowed.

 

[mrspree15]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Not in this case. The drop was part of an add/drop that I had to approve. So, only after I approved the add of Keith, did the drop of Young go through. So, I had first knowledge of the drop.I could change it so I don't have to approve add/drops but I have a couple of concerns with that. One, some people don't pay enough attention to roster requirements, so I have to double check their roster before I approve an add/drop to make sure they stay within positional requirements. Second, in the event there are any problems with the site, I like to have the option of owners letting me know via phone or e-mail of a transaction. So, before I approve an add/drop on the site, I check my e-mail and phone to make sure someone else didn't put in an earlier claim.

I think next year I will go to a more formal waiver wire process which will prevent this problem, but I don't want to change the rule in mid-season. So, I'll likely ride it out this year. That said, what's a fair time for me to wait before I pounce on a recently dropped player?

It's a pretty rare occurence that I want to add a player that someone else just dropped, but it has happened at least twice to my recollection. I can't remember the player involved before Young this year, but it was somewhat baffling that the owner dropped the player at the time.

This is a horrible procedure. No comissioner should have the authority to approve or disapprove adds and drops. Let the people manage their own teams. There are numerous ff hosting sites both free and pay that will handle all of this automatically.

Horrible sounds a little strong to me, but I appreciate your comments.Help me understand a couple of issues:

I don't think CBS Sportsline tells an owner when they have an illegal roster when they do an add/drop (correct me if I'm wrong). It will tell you when you have an illegal line-up, but will it tell you that you have too many RBs or WRs on your overall roster? I supposed I could live with people having an illegal roster for a day or two until I check them after add/drops and then make them correct them, but that also seems like a bit of a hassle.

Second, what type of response do you get from other owners when they try to do add/drops and the site is down or not working correctly? It is just tough #### for those owners and they have to keep trying to submit through the site, or is there some other type or recourse?

If I turn off the commissioner approval of add/drops, when do add/drops actually go through? I understand it's instant in most cases, but what about during game time. Will it let you add/drop a player during the games (obviously not a player who's starting)? Or does it queue up requests until a certain time after the games are played?

I don't understand why this is a factor. If the site is down or slow, why would you (who also has to go onto the down or slow site) processing an extra step help matters? If the site is down, it's down, the commissioner can't help.

 

[MOAT]

However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

I dont get why as commish you would get to see it first, once a guy is dropped doesnt it show he was dropped right away on the league site?

Not in this case. The drop was part of an add/drop that I had to approve. So, only after I approved the add of Keith, did the drop of Young go through. So, I had first knowledge of the drop.I could change it so I don't have to approve add/drops but I have a couple of concerns with that. One, some people don't pay enough attention to roster requirements, so I have to double check their roster before I approve an add/drop to make sure they stay within positional requirements. Second, in the event there are any problems with the site, I like to have the option of owners letting me know via phone or e-mail of a transaction. So, before I approve an add/drop on the site, I check my e-mail and phone to make sure someone else didn't put in an earlier claim.

I think next year I will go to a more formal waiver wire process which will prevent this problem, but I don't want to change the rule in mid-season. So, I'll likely ride it out this year. That said, what's a fair time for me to wait before I pounce on a recently dropped player?

It's a pretty rare occurence that I want to add a player that someone else just dropped, but it has happened at least twice to my recollection. I can't remember the player involved before Young this year, but it was somewhat baffling that the owner dropped the player at the time.

This is a horrible procedure. No comissioner should have the authority to approve or disapprove adds and drops. Let the people manage their own teams. There are numerous ff hosting sites both free and pay that will handle all of this automatically.

Horrible sounds a little strong to me, but I appreciate your comments.Help me understand a couple of issues:

I don't think CBS Sportsline tells an owner when they have an illegal roster when they do an add/drop (correct me if I'm wrong). It will tell you when you have an illegal line-up, but will it tell you that you have too many RBs or WRs on your overall roster? I supposed I could live with people having an illegal roster for a day or two until I check them after add/drops and then make them correct them, but that also seems like a bit of a hassle.

Second, what type of response do you get from other owners when they try to do add/drops and the site is down or not working correctly? It is just tough #### for those owners and they have to keep trying to submit through the site, or is there some other type or recourse?

If I turn off the commissioner approval of add/drops, when do add/drops actually go through? I understand it's instant in most cases, but what about during game time. Will it let you add/drop a player during the games (obviously not a player who's starting)? Or does it queue up requests until a certain time after the games are played?

Horrible isn't strong enough in my opinion. I would never be in a league where add/drops have to be approved. If you must have that rule for some strange reason then you should have awaiver period on the dropped players. I'm not calling you out or anything but the only reason I see to approve add/drops is to give the commish more control over what happens in the league. I assume the people in the league are above the 6th grade and should be allowed to add/drop as needed. As commish in CBS you can always go back in and reverse the transaction.

 

[a_rackowski]

OK that is a horrible, Shockingly Abominable, detestable way to run a league.

The people in your league need to know what your up to. Your a thief!

 

[cjack]

Okay, just to answer a few questions here.

If the site is down, owners can e-mail me stating that they want to pick up player X. Then when the site is up, I process the transaction, but at least I know when the owner sent in the request, either by e-mail time stamp or answering machine time stamp. This allows people to submit add/drops when the site may be down or if they don't have access to a computer. By requiring an approval on add/drops, I can check e-mail, phone, etc, before I approve the transaction.

I don't require approval to give myself more power. I approve every add/drop as long as there were no earlier requests, either by e-mail or phone, or unless it will result in an illegal roster set-up.

I don't just willy nilly disapprove add/drops because I'm the commissioner. It's solely to allow owners to make their requests in more ways than just on the site, and to ensure roster balance per our positional requirements.

I can live with letting the roster requirement double check go. Sounds like CBS will even manage that aspect for me, but I'm still a bit concerned with only allowing owners to submit adds through the site. So, in your leagues, unless someone has access to a computer right after a breakout free agent performance, they have no shot to get a free agent? By allowing e-mail and phone, I'm allowing the owners in my league to have a life and not sit by their computers at game time.

I'm flexible in changing that, but I want you to realize the rationale behind it. Personally, I could care less if I have to approve add/drops, it's a pain, but the other owners in our league seem to like the flexibility in how they can submit their requests, and they like the insurance of e-mail/phone in case of site problems, of which CBS is known to have had a few.

 

[cjack]

OK that is a horrible, Shockingly Abominable, detestable way to run a league. The people in your league need to know what your up to. Your a thief!

I assume this is a poor attempt at humor (and grammar for that matter). What possible advantage do I have since I specifically stated I wait at least 24 hours before picking up any free agent drop?

 

[mozzy84]

you should just let them do add/drops on there own and fix any illegal rosters afterwards, then you are on the same page as everyone else.

or just post a reminder about roster requirements, its not rocket science they will figure it out.

If you are worried about people being by their computers and picking up the best guys right away you need to change the way you are doing things.

 

[yaheRRdme]

You can still use phone or email.. you would just need to "prove" the time it was received if there was ever a question.

But let the website do 99.999999% of the work.

 

[jagerbomb]

The root of the problem is the way that the league is set up. Having the commish approve add/drops in combination with no waiver period on dropped players is a crappy way to run a league.

 

[jagerbomb]

The root of the problem is the way that the league is set up. Having the commish approve add/drops in combination with no waiver period on dropped players is a crappy way to run a league.

That was probably more harsh than it needed to be, I didn't mean it to be a personal attack or anything. But you really should consider changing your league set up. What league software/site are you using?

 

[BaBastage]

imho, I agree that it's probably best to remove the rely-upon-the commish for add/drops. Too much headache for the commish. (But I wouldn't go so far as to say "Horrible".)

Our league used to do it "first come first serve", but time-zone factors gave some owners an advantage regarding sitting by their PC when the freeze got lifted at 2:00 am (or so.)

So we went to waivers, and have been happy since.

 

[Hawk]

If you are on CBS, there is no ned for all this hassle. It will let you place roster limites by position so if someone tried to add a RB when they are maxed out at that position, it won't let them do it. I would give strong consideration to dumping a rule that says you can only have so many of a given position though. What's the point? Let people carry the positions they want to carry so long as they don;t exceed the max aggregate roster limit. You are baby-sitting your owners too much it sounds like.

 

[PranksterJD]

If you are on CBS, there is no ned for all this hassle. It will let you place roster limites by position so if someone tried to add a RB when they are maxed out at that position, it won't let them do it. I would give strong consideration to dumping a rule that says you can only have so many of a given position though. What's the point? Let people carry the positions they want to carry so long as they don;t exceed the max aggregate roster limit. You are baby-sitting your owners too much it sounds like.

Agree completely, on all counts.. If I have a 16 player roster, and start QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, K, D, and I feel like having 8 running backs on my roster, why shouldn't I be able to?If an owner isn't able to understand the rules ( and OP's been playing this same league for years, he said ), then the commish shouldn't have to coddle them. Let them realize they don't have the players when the little yellow box screams at them. If you really want to be nice ( and I, a commish in 3 leagues, would not be, but I'm pretty mean ), then they can call you an you can go back out the transaction. Again.. I wouldn't, but that's on you.As for the "waiting" period for free agents, there are three options for you that remove this self-inflicted pain.(1) Keep approving add/drops , but institute a 24 hour waiver process that gives everyone (including you) a fair shot.(2) Let people add/drop at will, first come first server free agents.(3) Let people add/drop at will, and still have a 24 hour waiver window. MY leagues use option 3, but thats just to keep from punishing those people that can't be on FBG 24 hours a day. Overall, you're going to have enough headaches from the commissioner's job. Don't make it worse on yourself.

 

[crowe1130]

I would give strong consideration to dumping a rule that says you can only have so many of a given position though. What's the point? Let people carry the positions they want to carry so long as they don't exceed the max aggregate roster limit.

 

[kadeeu]

I haven't been on CBS in a while, but doesn't it have a waiver order/draft you can set up so that the bad teams get first dibbs on the available players. In my Rtsports league, I set up a waiver draft that runs at midnight Tuesday and requests are processed by the site from the order I set which was based on record and points scored. Come Wednesday morning at 8:00 the drop/add period begins and owner are allowed to drop or add anybody who is available.

I also agree you should get rid of the positional limits. Let the owners manage their rosters as they see fit, since that adds to the experience.

 

[atcdav]

Nice guys finish last. Follow the rules. Takes guys you want when you see them. If you dont like the rule vote in a change.

 

[Phurfur]

I haven't read all the posts but you need to set up a waiver wire system. Locked until XXXXX, last place first, dropped players not available until next week, etc. I don't understand why you see the drops first????

 

[atcdav]

I haven't been on CBS in a while, but doesn't it have a waiver order/draft you can set up so that the bad teams get first dibbs on the available players. In my Rtsports league, I set up a waiver draft that runs at midnight Tuesday and requests are processed by the site from the order I set which was based on record and points scored. Come Wednesday morning at 8:00 the drop/add period begins and owner are allowed to drop or add anybody who is available.

I also agree you should get rid of the positional limits. Let the owners manage their rosters as they see fit, since that adds to the experience.

CBS does have a waiver process where you can manually set the order. In addition , I believe( not 100%) each team can set email preferences to receive an email when a player gets dropped. I am commissioner in our league. We use the waiver process initially after the week's games but all dropped player are available immediately 1st come 1st served. I just turn off the waiver restriction until Sunday comes around. I dont think the commissioner has any advantage on CBSsportsline, at least the way we are doing it.

 

[MarcO]

Okay, just to answer a few questions here.

If the site is down, owners can e-mail me stating that they want to pick up player X. Then when the site is up, I process the transaction, but at least I know when the owner sent in the request, either by e-mail time stamp or answering machine time stamp. This allows people to submit add/drops when the site may be down or if they don't have access to a computer. By requiring an approval on add/drops, I can check e-mail, phone, etc, before I approve the transaction.

I don't require approval to give myself more power. I approve every add/drop as long as there were no earlier requests, either by e-mail or phone, or unless it will result in an illegal roster set-up.

I don't just willy nilly disapprove add/drops because I'm the commissioner. It's solely to allow owners to make their requests in more ways than just on the site, and to ensure roster balance per our positional requirements. CBS sportsline will manage the roster requirements by position.

I can live with letting the roster requirement double check go. Sounds like CBS will even manage that aspect for me, but I'm still a bit concerned with only allowing owners to submit adds through the site. So, in your leagues, unless someone has access to a computer right after a breakout free agent performance, they have no shot to get a free agent? By allowing e-mail and phone, I'm allowing the owners in my league to have a life and not sit by their computers at game time.

If you have a 1st waivers period that runs - say on Tuesday night/Wednesday AM then every owner has the same opportunity to put claims in for the first period. You can set it to then have a free for all FA add/drops or you can set another waiver run for the week. You can set how long you want the dropped players to be held before they can be picked up. IMO - the only real fair way is to set multiple waiver runs during the week - then it allows people who cannot sit in front of their computer all day to monopolize the add/drops.

I'm flexible in changing that, but I want you to realize the rationale behind it. Personally, I could care less if I have to approve add/drops, it's a pain, but the other owners in our league seem to like the flexibility in how they can submit their requests, and they like the insurance of e-mail/phone in case of site problems, of which CBS is known to have had a few.

it's 2007 - you can set your CBS fantasy lineup from a mobile device that has a web browser - and besides you are paying good money for the site - why not use it?

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Have to agree with another poster..I would never join a league like that, where the commish has to approve a drop/add.

Should be Blind Bidding or Worst To First record on WW time period. Then FCFS WW time period after BB/WTF is over.

Unreal those rules in your league.

 

[Chaka]

You need to add a waiver wire process to your rules.

It makes no sense not to have one.

 

[Resident A]

I run my waivers the same as you, but cut players are frozen until the next week.

 

[SuperJohn96]

1) Move to a site like at mfl.com where you can set specific roster requirements, so you don't have to approve drop/adds to babysit the guys in your league.

--> Less work for you.

2) Put all a freeze period on all dropped players so that they are not available for 18 or 24 or 36 hours...whatever you think is fair, so that you don't put yourself on a 24 hour clock when anyone else doesn't have the same restriction.

--> More fair for you.

 

[Wu-banger]

It all comes down to how the site and league is setup.... and what the owners want. Every league is different.

You guys who are posting negative feedback, and not helping the original poster, are being tools.

I have numerous rules in my league (5 page manifest) and use CBS has a site to host the league , not run the league by their rules. Many of our rules do not fir into what the Sportsline sight has to offer , so we adjust.

Many owners in our league do not sit by a PC all day to monitor moves , and transactions are FCFS. They also have different schedules that include grave shift. We put a 1 week time limit that a player is locked till he becomes availible...this is done to give every owner an equal shot at the FA prospect.We also have the owners post the add-drops on the messageboard so all owners know exactly what time the move was made.

 

[pwtrash]

I'm the commissioner in our league and have been for several years. I think once before, and again yesterday with Selvin Young, an owner dropped a player that I then wanted to pick up. However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.We do not have any type of waiver process, it's just first come first serve on free agents.So, in this case, and the case last year or whenever it was, I decided I would wait 24 hours. However, I missed out in both cases because another owner put in a request before 24 hours had elapsed.What's a fair time to wait in a case like this?In this case, Young was picked up once the news on Henry's pot trouble came through, and a total of three owners put in a request. I was going to pick him up yesterday afternoon just based on Henry's injury speculation.The owner who dropped him yesterday dropped him for Kenton Keith because he owns Addai. He then tried to pick Young back up and drop someone else, but another owner beat him to the punch.I'm not really concerned in this case, I'm happy for the owner that got him because he needs the help, but I just want to know the best way to handle it for the future to avoid any future problems. I am considering a waiver wire process for next year and beyond, but assume for this purpose that we'll keep the free agent acquistion process the same, since it will be for the remainder of this year at least.

One thought is have players locked till next week. You also can lock all players from being picked up (dropped at the Waiver Wire deadline or FA's) for 18 hours. Gives time for people in other time zones to have a fair shot at seeing who is available. Some services that manage leagues allow owners to block waiver pick ups from the commish until past the deadline. Keeps it all fair.

That's basically what we do - free agents get picked up at 6PM every Wednesday night, and you can't really get a player cleanly until the 2nd Wednesday he's available. In other words, you drop on Tuesday, and he'll basically have to wait until the following Wednesday before he gets picked up again. (It's a little more complex than that, since there are salaries, contracts, and bids involved, but that's the gist of it.) Another possibility is to make sure everyone has the option to get notified of all drops - but this only works if the drops get processed automatically by the system. Otherwise, you still get first dibs. Finally, if none of the other options will work for whatever reason, figure out a reasonable time and make that part of the rules. It would be really unfair for you to get first rights simply because of technology mechanics, but it's also a little unfair for you to miss out for the same reason (though as commish, like you I would be far more concerned about being seen as unfair for my team than being against my team).Good luck.

 

[cjack]

Appreciate all of the comments guys. Sounds like I'll have to implement a waiver wire process for next year. Not sure we'll want to put that in mid-year so we'll probably ride it out until next year.

We'll consider the roster requirements, we may be able to remove that all together, We'll take a vote.

We talked a little bit this year about a waiver wire process, but I think most of the owners felt things were running fine, so we didn't bother. This is a friendly league that's been in existence for well over 10 years, probably closer to 15, so I guess we're a little dated on the waiver wire/free agent process. We haven't changed much in that regard for a while because it's never really been a problem.

But, things are a bit more competitive now with the free agent add process so I'm thinking I need to put a process in place to manage that more fairly amongst all owners, some type of waiver wire process. Although, I must say, I'm not in favor of giving first priority to the team in last place, why reward their drafting ineptitude? I'd rather have a blind bid process, or reverse order from the original draft or something.

To a couple guys who say they would never play in a league that needs add/drop approval, I think you're missing the point, or just being overly obtuse. I don't make any subjection evaluation of the add/drop whatsoever. I'm only a middle man to facilitate roster integrity and to sort through the various methods of communication to determine who acted first, whether by web site, e-mail, phone or otherwise. I realize it's less than perfect, else I wouldn't be where I am today, but it's hardly some draconian rule on my part to control and manipulate the league.

I'll investigate the waiver process on CBS a little further and see if the league will vote for a change mid year, or whether we'll have to wait until next year.

Thanks again, off to cut the lawn.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

I would say your first mistake is not having claims or waivers. But I don't understand how it is you have first look. Do you have to approve add/drops? I take it you are not using some management software and are merely receiving the notice of transaction. If the former, bag the approval process; if the latter, more reason to go away from first-come-first-served towards a claim system with priority ranking.

 

[Mr.Pack]

I'm the commissioner in our league and have been for several years. I think once before, and again yesterday with Selvin Young, an owner dropped a player that I then wanted to pick up. However, as the commissioner, since I get to see the drop before anyone else, I figure I need to let some time elapse before I pick said player up.

We do not have any type of waiver process, it's just first come first serve on free agents.

So, in this case, and the case last year or whenever it was, I decided I would wait 24 hours. However, I missed out in both cases because another owner put in a request before 24 hours had elapsed.

What's a fair time to wait in a case like this?

In this case, Young was picked up once the news on Henry's pot trouble came through, and a total of three owners put in a request. I was going to pick him up yesterday afternoon just based on Henry's injury speculation.

The owner who dropped him yesterday dropped him for Kenton Keith because he owns Addai. He then tried to pick Young back up and drop someone else, but another owner beat him to the punch.

I'm not really concerned in this case, I'm happy for the owner that got him because he needs the help, but I just want to know the best way to handle it for the future to avoid any future problems. I am considering a waiver wire process for next year and beyond, but assume for this purpose that we'll keep the free agent acquistion process the same, since it will be for the remainder of this year at least.

One thought is have players locked till next week. You also can lock all players from being picked up (dropped at the Waiver Wire deadline or FA's) for 18 hours. Gives time for people in other time zones to have a fair shot at seeing who is available. Some services that manage leagues allow owners to block waiver pick ups from the commish until past the deadline. Keeps it all fair.

Exactly how I do it in my league. A player dropped is not available until the following week. Solves everything.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

As a commissioner, you have to be held to a higher standard. You can't just try and improve your team and compete to win the championship. That's not fair. You need to do what you can to keep your own team down while lifting everyone's team up. If you have a chance to hurt your team, you should always do it. That way, other owners know how "fair" you are.

You have one of two options. One, call everyone in the league, tell them about Young and let them know how good he could be. Add information from various sites to bolster your argument. That way you're being "fair." Try to get someone to take him. If that fails, wait three weeks and call everyone again. If nobody wants him, pick him up for yourself. But if he does well and an owner complains, you have to drop him or trade him to that owner for whatever he wants to give up.

The second option is not use the waiver wire at all. You're playing with fire adding and dropping players. That could be seen as unfair. To make sure your reputation as commissioner remains spotless, you shouldn't use the waiver wire, make trades, or try to improve your team.

Stop being shady. Whoever deserves Young, it's definitely not the commish. That wouldn't be "fair."

 

[Liam]

It all comes down to how the site and league is setup.... and what the owners want. Every league is different.You guys who are posting negative feedback, and not helping the original poster, are being tools.

Totally agree. Different leagues have different rules. That's one of the cool things about FF, you have so many options to pick from. As has been mentioned, CBS Sportsline is configurable in how many at a given position is allowed. As far as switching to waivers, it would be a good idea. However, since most of us agree that changing rules mid season isn't cool, you could just set CBS sportsline up to manage the roster positions, turn off the setting requiring your approval, and have everyone continue using the site as they have been. You no longer have to approve the trades and you will be able to pick up your own prospects without worrying about impropriety. In addition, if they like the warm fuzzies of emailing you when the system is down, have them continue to do so and you ensure that the changes are made once the site is up. Doing that let's the system manage the transactions, still allows the FCFS you have, AND gives you the ability to pick up as you see fit, without waiting the self imposed 24 hours. Good luck.

 

[super sleeper]

Not sure why everyone is focusing on the waiver issue, when it's the commissioner approval that's the problem. As others have said, you can set the roster requirements on CBS and remove the commissioner approval to eliminate your issue with seeing the drops first. There is no need to reinvent the wheel and add waivers, worst-to-first, etc.

The issue, as in most of these cases, is commissioners who enjoy the control over the league, although they may not want to admit it. But the commissioner should be like the safety officer/fire marshall at my office. They are just a regular employee just like the rest of us. They only have to perform their extra duties if there is a problem. The chances of a site slowdown, or roster error are so slight that all of these concerns/questions of the original poster are negligible. Come up with a stiff penalty for illegal rosters, monitor the rosters daily, and then if it happens anyway, just undo the move (or make them fix the error, depending on how competitive the league is) and subject yourself and everyone else to your 24-hour freeze out period.

 

[bez18]

In our league, we put anyone who is dropped through waivers for one day... then it's fair game to anyone... once he clears waivers that one day it's first come first serve

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Our league allows drops and corresponding adds that must be posted before Friday at 6:00 p.m.

Anyone dropped cannot be picked up until the following week.

10th place (total points league) has first shot, then 9th, etc. It's not a silly first come, first served.

This is the fairest way to do it.

I set it up that way becasue as Commissioner, I had too much of an advantage for noticing good players dropped who I could pick up before anyone else.